Current Events > Joe Biden has been a better president than Barack Obama

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SayHeyyShohei posted...

This is flat out bullshit. Obama was listening to economists Bush and most democrats in the house refused to listen to. He also doesn't have the benefit of hindsight like Biden does. Obama took the risk on his own and prevented massive inflation while simultaneously bringing us out of a recession quicker than most economists predicted.

Biden literally just took the same exact playbook, same economists and everything.

Also lol @ Biden being responsible for wage growth. That's why the entire country is striking.

oh yeah you're totally a legitimate poster. CE hasn't been through this 10000 times already

An opinion piece, another opinion piece, and one Obama advisor who isn't an advisor to Biden anymore.



I'm arguing with a gimmick account. Moving on.

andel posted...

oh wow, obvious alt just making up blatant bullshit with no basis in reality lol who could see that coming

Nice argument. I'm not convinced though andel. Maybe you should throw more emotion into it.

thronedfire2 posted...

oh yeah you're totally a legitimate poster. CE hasn't been through this 10000 times already

Nice argument. It has been 10000 times supposedly so it should be really easy to refute it.

SayHeyyShohei posted...

Nice argument. It has been 10000 times supposedly so it should be really easy to refute it.

that was me refuting it lol

thronedfire2 posted...

that was me refuting it lol

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You really think so? That's actually sad then. Are you sure you didn't get your playbook from Ben Shapiro?

SayHeyyShohei posted...

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You really think so? That's actually sad then. Are you sure you didn't get your playbook from Ben Shapiro?

are you sure you're not posting from Russia right now?

Oh god, we're at the "Obama / his supporters is / are a Russian asset" phase of the argument

You really know how to be as least disingenuous as possible when discussing politics!

SayHeyyShohei posted...

An opinion piece, another opinion piece, and one Obama advisor who isn't an advisor to Biden anymore.



I'm arguing with a gimmick account. Moving on.

I'd happily read any articles you could point to to suggest Obama's recovery was quicker or better than Biden's.

Intro2Logic posted...

I'd happily read any articles you could point to to suggest Obama's recovery was quicker or better than Biden's.

What articles do you want? Wikipedia? It's a historical fact that Obama's economy recovered faster than Biden's. Even if Biden did a perfect job, he had to recover us out of a global pandemic. And we're still not out of it yet as massive inflation is still on the rise. There's no way he'd do it faster than Obama. Doesn't change the fact that he literally took his exact playbook.

It's common sense dude.

Inohira posted...

Obama didn't have major blunders like the Afghanistan thing.

Still on this yarn, eh?

Trump: *releases 5000 Taliban prisoners, doesn't assist in passing logistical info off to Biden's administration, fucks the whole thing around*

Chuds: "Fucking Biden!"

SayHeyyShohei posted...

Oh god, we're at the "Obama / his supporters is / are a Russian asset" phase of the argument

You really know how to be as least disingenuous as possible when discussing politics!

the bots are getting smarter

damn AI learning

SayHeyyShohei posted...

An opinion piece, another opinion piece, and one Obama advisor who isn't an advisor to Biden anymore.



I'm arguing with a gimmick account. Moving on.

Obvious alt who couldn't wait to pass 50 karma to start shitposting on CE calls others "gimmick accounts".

The fucking jokes write themselves.

mybbqrules posted...

Still on this yarn, eh?

Trump: *releases 5000 Taliban prisoners, doesn't assist in passing logistical info off to Biden's administration, fucks the whole thing around*

Chuds: "Fucking Biden!"

The fuck does Trump have to do with Biden?

Why is CE the only place on the fucking internet that honestly, wholeheartedly believes that if you support Obama over Biden then you're a chud? Are we forgetting the whole birther nonsense? Are we forgetting that Trump took power significantly because his racist base hated Obama?

This is honestly wild to me.

SayHeyyShohei posted...

What articles do you want? Wikipedia? It's a historical fact that Obama's economy recovered faster than Biden's. Even if Biden did a perfect job, he had to recover us out of a global pandemic. And we're still not out of it yet as massive inflation is still on the rise. There's no way he'd do it faster than Obama. Doesn't change the fact that he literally took his exact playbook.

It's common sense dude.

"i don't have sources or evidence but i am right"

lol at this flailing

andel posted...

"i don't have sources or evidence but i am right"

lol at this flailing

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/obamas-legacy-economy-anything-mess/

tl;dr: It took less than a year and a half to see significant growth.

I get it. You weren't old enough back then or didn't follow politics enough to watch it happen. But a year and a half is definitely shorter than nearly a full term and possibly counting.

And for more direct evidence:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_policy_of_the_Barack_Obama_administration

Scroll down to Recovery

SayHeyyShohei posted...

The fuck does Trump have to do with Biden?

Why is CE the only place on the fucking internet that honestly, wholeheartedly believes that if you support Obama over Biden then you're a chud? Are we forgetting the whole birther nonsense? Are we forgetting that Trump took power significantly because his racist base hated Obama?

This is honestly wild to me.

Partisan whiners don't have a good grasp of discussion context.

The clown quoting me calls "chud" even though there is no scenario in which one would be saying, "Obama didn't have any major blunders."

Inohira posted...

The clown quoting me calls "chud" even though there is no scenario in which one would be saying, "Obama didn't have any major blunders."

Lol I didn't even consider that.

Truth be told the Biden supporters in here aren't actually supporters of Biden, but they're part of a monolith in identity politics. Blue no matter who folk. Grifted to hell and back by the neoliberalism of the upper class of the democratic party.

Remember when Biden basically said "fuck you" to striking railroad workers?

Obama would never.

SayHeyyShohei posted...

Remember when Biden basically said "fuck you" to striking railroad workers?

Obama would never.

and I guess you completely didn't follow up on that at all, since he kept negotiating on his own and got them their sick days.

railroads going on strike for even a week or two would have hurt the economy just as hard as the beginning of covid did

SayHeyyShohei posted...

It's common sense dude.

"It's common sense" he screams as he furiously searches to find evidence to support his earlier assertions but all he can find are results from the blaze and gab

thronedfire2 posted...

railroads going on strike for even a week or two would have hurt the economy just as hard as the beginning of covid did

Sounds like that would have been the rail companies fault for not prioritizing their workers. Stepping in and going "we can't have a strike because of the economy!" puts the blame on the workers as usual, and keeps up a status quo that barely moves an inch.

Biden did all he could to make sure the corporations and government benefited the most they could without the workers committing fully to the strike. That's not a win.

Tyranthraxus posted...

"It's common sense" he screams as he furiously searches to find evidence to support his earlier assertions but all he can find are results from the blaze and gab

Weird how I didn't post results from conservative shitposts.

Again with this "if you support Obama you're a chud" nonsense. What fucking twilight zone episode is this?

SayHeyyShohei posted...

Grifted to hell and back by the neoliberalism of the upper class of the democratic party.

I've never seen the term neoliberalism used in defense of Obama like this.

More like obomba

Intro2Logic posted...

I've never seen the term neoliberalism used in defense of Obama like this.

Lol if you think Biden is less neoliberal than Obama.

Was Obama part of that class? Absolutely. But was he still better than Biden? Yes. It's not a mutually exclusive situation.

SayHeyyShohei posted...

Sounds like that would have been the rail companies fault for not prioritizing their workers. Stepping in and going "we can't have a strike because of the economy!" puts the blame on the workers as usual, and keeps up a status quo that barely moves an inch.

Biden did all he could to make sure the corporations and government benefited the most they could without the workers committing fully to the strike. That's not a win.

lmaooo

how do you think our economy actually functions?

oh and good job ignoring the first half of my post. at least it's only taken you one night to prove you're a troll worth ignoring

thronedfire2 posted...

how do you think our economy actually functions?

Off exploiting the working class for maximum profits?

You do realize that's not the only solution to a sustainable economy correct? It's only what the established elite grift you into believing.

https://twitter.com/Claudia_Sahm/status/1655567071294398466

SayHeyyShohei posted...

Off exploiting the working class for maximum profits?

You do realize that's not the only solution to a sustainable economy correct? It's only what the established elite grift you into believing.

you also can't shut down a huge chunk of the supply chain without affecting the entire economy

people thought the covid supply chain issues were fixed back in 2021 but that's not the case at all. it's still an issue.

if railroads went on any sort of strike that lasted longer than a week at that time half the country would have starved or been begging on the streets for food

SayHeyyShohei posted...

Anyone that legitimately believes Biden was better than Obama is a DNC shill or has been stockholm'd by them.

Biden has been better by pretty much every single metric you could imagine.

biden has been better. To be fair both inherited a huge mess but obama's was bigger

SayHeyyShohei posted...

Sounds like that would have been the rail companies fault for not prioritizing their workers. Stepping in and going "we can't have a strike because of the economy!" puts the blame on the workers as usual, and keeps up a status quo that barely moves an inch.

Biden did all he could to make sure the corporations and government benefited the most they could without the workers committing fully to the strike. That's not a win.

The Biden admin did end up helping the workers get their demands

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/may/01/railroad-workers-union-win-sick-leave

When Joe Biden and Congress enacted legislation in December that blocked a threatened freight rail strike, many workers angrily faulted Biden for not ensuring that the legislation also guaranteed paid sick days. But since then, union officials says, members of the Biden administration, including the transportation secretary, Pete Buttigieg, and labor secretary, Marty Walsh, who stepped down on 11 March, lobbied the railroads, telling them it was wrong not to grant paid sick days.

SayHeyyShohei posted...

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/obamas-legacy-economy-anything-mess/

tl;dr: It took less than a year and a half to see significant growth.

I get it. You weren't old enough back then or didn't follow politics enough to watch it happen. But a year and a half is definitely shorter than nearly a full term and possibly counting.

And for more direct evidence:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_policy_of_the_Barack_Obama_administration

Scroll down to Recovery

where does that point out that biden "took his entire playbook"? that weird talking point was already debunked itt and you seem to be continuing to just throw shit at the wall

thronedfire2 posted...

you also can't shut down a huge chunk of the supply chain without affecting the entire economy

people thought the covid supply chain issues were fixed back in 2021 but that's not the case at all. it's still an issue.

if railroads went on any sort of strike that lasted longer than a week at that time half the country would have starved or been begging on the streets for food

And the blame would quickly turn to the corporations, and we'd have a mass exodus of public opinions supporting them and the way they take control of the economy.

Once again the workers get exploited, lose out, and get blamed for everything despite nothing occurring.

andel posted...

where does that point out that biden "took his entire playbook"? that weird talking point was already debunked itt and you seem to be continuing to just throw shit at the wall

Reading is hard. I posted the link. You can make your own inferences by looking at the economists/policies and further citations mentioned, and cross referencing those with Biden's.

bevan306 posted...

biden has been better. To be fair both inherited a huge mess but obama's was bigger

I disagree. Obama's mess was partly of his own creation (the bank bailout) and there was a complete lack of action on the foreclosure crisis.

OTOH There hasn't been a president that has inherited a bigger mess than Biden since Lincoln.

ModernPost posted...

Biden has been better by pretty much every single metric you could imagine.

What has Biden done for health care?

Tyranthraxus posted...

I disagree. Obama's mess was partly of his own creation

And I'm the gimmick account. Smfh

I personally don't know why people give Biden so much flak on Afghanistan. Sure it wasn't a good method of doing so, but someone had to end that pointless war, and no Democrat before him wanted to do it.

new alt is critical meltdown levels.

ProfessorKukui posted...

new alt is critical meltdown levels.

andel/thronedfire aren't alts.

SayHeyyShohei posted...

Must suck that you have to farm karma for all your alts now lmfao

nocturnal_traveler posted...

I personally don't know why people give Biden so much flak on Afghanistan. Sure it wasn't a good method of doing so, but someone had to end that pointless war, and no Democrat before him wanted to do it.

Because republicans blasted it everywhere as an attack against Biden, so people keep repeating it.

Inohira posted...

Obama didn't have major blunders like the Afghanistan thing.

One of Biden's best moments tbh

nocturnal_traveler posted...

I personally don't know why people give Biden so much flak on Afghanistan. Sure it wasn't a good method of doing so, but someone had to end that pointless war, and no Democrat before him wanted to do it.

there's literally a whole Trump twitter post where he said he set up the Afghanistan withdrawal plan and there's no way Biden could possibly stop it. this was, of course, a few months before it actually happened, when Trump was out of office and didn't have to deal with it anymore.

not to mention the fact that Trump released 5000 taliban fighters who immediately went to war against Afghanistan. the republicans always forget about that

at least his invitation to bring Taliban leaders to a US military base fell through, probably because the entire military was telling him he was wrong

SayHeyyShohei posted...

andel/thronedfire aren't alts.

I'm pretty sure he meant you

thronedfire2 posted...

I'm pretty sure he meant you

He doesn't know what a meltdown is then.

Axiom posted...

Must suck that you have to farm karma for all your alts now lmfao

Supporting Obama over Biden makes someone an alt now.

Only on CE.