Current Events > Joe Biden has been a better president than Barack Obama

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Intro2Logic
09/22/23 7:17:19 PM
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It's not even really close.

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Irony
09/22/23 7:17:28 PM
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Eh

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LordFarquad1312
09/22/23 7:17:45 PM
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Barockman Obama.

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Valjackal
09/22/23 7:18:49 PM
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Nah.

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IceCreamOnStero
09/22/23 7:18:57 PM
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Biden is probably the most reserved US president regarding commiting war crimes so probably

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Inohira
09/22/23 7:20:35 PM
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Obama didn't have major blunders like the Afghanistan thing.

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SayHeyyShohei
09/22/23 7:20:45 PM
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No

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thronedfire2
09/22/23 7:21:31 PM
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yes

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pedro45
09/22/23 7:21:38 PM
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He's been very tame for sure. he felt like a stopgap president but with how Republicans are, he basically needs to run again.

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pogo_rabid
09/22/23 7:21:40 PM
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Frankly Biden has done a great job so far imo. Unless you're a right winger, or an extremist progressive/populist, I find it hard to understand how you can find fault with him.

Inohira posted...
Obama didn't have major blunders like the Afghanistan thing.
Trump set the timetable for the exit, frankly it was going to be a shitty exit no matter what we did. The bandiad rip came quickly and wasn't drawn out.

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andel
09/22/23 7:21:53 PM
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his policy has definitely been better and is significantly to the left of obama, but society is progressing (in ideas, obviously the far right nutjobs are trying to regress) so any dem who becomes president will govern to the left more and more.

both have been stymied by obstructionist congresses, but overall biden has definitely been better to this point in his admin compared to obama

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Tyranthraxus
09/22/23 7:22:55 PM
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Inohira posted...
Obama didn't have major blunders like the Afghanistan thing.
Obama bombed a doctors without borders hospital based on information gotten from torturing people in Guantanamo bay.

Afghanistan was set up by Trump, Biden just honored the deal Trump made.


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Intro2Logic
09/22/23 7:22:56 PM
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Inohira posted...
Obama didn't have major blunders like the Afghanistan thing.
Obama didn't have the courage to withdraw from Afghanistan.

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andel
09/22/23 7:23:49 PM
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Inohira posted...
Obama didn't have major blunders like the Afghanistan thing.

that wasn't a blunder at all. someone had to rip the bandaid off and biden had enough courage to do it after trump made the situation there even more untenable.

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Irony
09/22/23 7:25:09 PM
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Inohira posted...
Obama didn't have major blunders like the Afghanistan thing.
Us still being there was a blunder of his

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emblem-man
09/22/23 7:27:55 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/6/9/AADgb_AAEzGN.jpg

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hereforemnant
09/22/23 7:29:14 PM
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andel posted...
his policy has definitely been better and is significantly to the left of obama, but society is progressing (in ideas, obviously the far right nutjobs are trying to regress) so any dem who becomes president will govern to the left more and more.

both have been stymied by obstructionist congresses, but overall biden has definitely been better to this point in his admin compared to obama


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Inohira
09/22/23 7:31:59 PM
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pogo_rabid posted...
Trump set the timetable for the exit, frankly it was going to be a shitty exit no matter what we did. The bandiad rip came quickly and wasn't drawn out.

Thing is Biden hasn't exactly honored everything Trump did, so there's a question of how necessary it was to let his decision stand there.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Obama bombed a doctors without borders hospital based on information gotten from torturing people in Guantanamo bay.

"Biden" bombed an Afghan aid worker and wiped out his family. Erroneous drone strikes are just a US military thing.

Intro2Logic posted...

Obama didn't have the courage to withdraw from Afghanistan.

Trump had the "courage" and look where that led.

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ProfessorKukui
09/22/23 7:35:53 PM
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SayHeyyShohei
09/22/23 7:37:10 PM
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Anyone that legitimately believes Biden was better than Obama is a DNC shill or has been stockholm'd by them.

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thronedfire2
09/22/23 7:37:28 PM
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emblem-man posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/6/9/AADgb_AAEzGN.jpg

also basically ended our drone warfare.

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andel
09/22/23 7:38:06 PM
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Inohira posted...
Thing is Biden hasn't exactly honored everything Trump did, so there's a question of how necessary it was to let his decision stand there.

"Biden" bombed an Afghan aid worker and wiped out his family. Erroneous drone strikes are just a US military thing.

Trump had the "courage" and look where that led.

trump obviously didn't have the courage because he didn't do it, he just legitimized the taliban and caused kurds to get murdered en masse.

drone strikes have significantly decreased under biden and he added layers of accountability to the authorization of them that trump had done away with.

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David1988
09/22/23 7:38:32 PM
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Frankly, Biden has been better, Obama is still hotter though

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brestugo
09/22/23 7:38:39 PM
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andel posted...
his policy has definitely been better and is significantly to the left of obama, but society is progressing (in ideas, obviously the far right nutjobs are trying to regress) so any dem who becomes president will govern to the left more and more.

both have been stymied by obstructionist congresses, but overall biden has definitely been better to this point in his admin compared to obama

Fair.

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andel
09/22/23 7:38:48 PM
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SayHeyyShohei posted...
Anyone that legitimately believes Biden was better than Obama is a DNC shill or has been stockholm'd by them.

wow the new user trumper is unable to construct an argument, color me surprised

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Intro2Logic
09/22/23 7:38:52 PM
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Inohira posted...
"Biden" bombed an Afghan aid worker and wiped out his family. Erroneous drone strikes are just a US military thing.
And they've plummeted under Biden.
https://theweek.com/foreign-policy/1007579/biden-nearly-ended-the-drone-war-and-nobody-noticed

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Tyranthraxus
09/22/23 7:39:29 PM
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Inohira posted...


"Biden" bombed an Afghan aid worker and wiped out his family. Erroneous drone strikes are just a US military thing.

Not really. It was basically just a Bush / Obama / Trump thing.

Biden has cut back dramatically on all drones:
https://theweek.com/foreign-policy/1007579/biden-nearly-ended-the-drone-war-and-nobody-noticed

Not counting Bill Clinton who got to sit over the last time USA was at peace, Biden has had the best foreign policy of any president in my life.

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sfcalimari
09/22/23 7:39:29 PM
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SayHeyyShohei posted...
Anyone that legitimately believes Biden was better than Obama is a DNC shill or has been stockholm'd by them.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/9/4/AAKd0vAAElFu.jpg

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Intro2Logic
09/22/23 7:39:47 PM
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SayHeyyShohei posted...
Anyone that legitimately believes Biden was better than Obama is a DNC shill or has been stockholm'd by them.
What did Obama do better than Biden?

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thronedfire2
09/22/23 7:39:54 PM
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holy shit, 410 active posts in 2 months? where the fuck are you even posting?

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UnsteadyOwl
09/22/23 7:42:30 PM
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Biden has gotten some good things done. It's not as much as I wish he'd do certainly, but he's done well considering how much his efforts have been obstructed by Congress and the SC. I'd say he is a little better as a president than Obama so far.

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SayHeyyShohei
09/22/23 7:42:49 PM
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sfcalimari posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/9/4/AAKd0vAAElFu.jpg

Not a MAGA, so nice try.

Intro2Logic posted...
What did Obama do better than Biden?

Saved us from a depression.

thronedfire2 posted...
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holy shit, 410 active posts in 2 months? where the fuck are you even posting?

Posts on dead boards don't archive as fast.

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sabin017
09/22/23 7:42:55 PM
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WTF pulling out of Afghanistan is his biggest accomplishment.

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Monolith1676
09/22/23 7:44:05 PM
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I am not an Obama fan but this is a completely wrong topic.

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emblem-man
09/22/23 7:44:25 PM
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Intro2Logic posted...
What did Obama do better than Biden?

ACA to be honest. I think we forget just how bad medical insurance was in pre ACA days

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Intro2Logic
09/22/23 7:45:01 PM
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Monolith1676 posted...
I am not an Obama fan but this is a completely wrong topic.
Why?

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Tyranthraxus
09/22/23 7:46:20 PM
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emblem-man posted...
ACA to be honest. I think we forget just how bad medical insurance was in pre ACA days

Joe Biden had a major role in that as well.

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Inohira
09/22/23 7:48:20 PM
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andel posted...
trump obviously didn't have the courage because he didn't do it, he just legitimized the taliban and caused kurds to get murdered en masse.

He set the withdrawal in motion and it would've occured during his presumed 2nd term (that he clearly expected to have, given by how he tried to provoke an insurrection because he didn't get it).

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IceCreamOnStero
09/22/23 7:48:42 PM
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Inohira posted...
Obama didn't have major blunders like the Afghanistan thing.
Obama was firing off war crimes like it was nobodies' business, and his Recession handling wasnt great.

pogo_rabid posted...
Frankly Biden has done a great job so far imo. Unless you're a right winger, or an extremist progressive/populist, I find it hard to understand how you can find fault with him.

Anyone who wants more than milquetoast neoliberalism should have plenty of faults with Biden

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SayHeyyShohei
09/22/23 7:48:49 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Joe Biden had a major role in that as well.

And who chose Biden as his VP?

I mean if we're going to rank presidents, generally we use their administrations as a pro and not something you take away from them.

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AceMos
09/22/23 7:49:17 PM
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ehh i think a better way to view is

biden actually realized its impossible to work with republicans so just flat out gave up on trying


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Monolith1676
09/22/23 7:49:39 PM
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Intro2Logic posted...
Why?

Because Obama was decent. Biden is a gaffe machine who has done really nothing. People can talk about all the jobs and everything but people forget the economy was shut down so of course the jobs were going to rise again.

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SayHeyyShohei
09/22/23 7:49:54 PM
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"extremist progressive/populist" because I don't like Biden over someone like Sanders or AOC.

Lmfao gtfoh

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Intro2Logic
09/22/23 7:50:31 PM
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SayHeyyShohei posted...
Saved us from a depression.
Even Democrats now acknowledge that Obama's adherence to the economic ideas of guys like Larry Summers prolonged the misery of the last decade:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/16/us/politics/obama-stimulus-democrats.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/19/upshot/biden-stimulus.html

Biden, by contrast, has overseen real wage growth for low-wage workers

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FortuneCookie
09/22/23 7:50:33 PM
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If Barack Obama is Transformers, Joe Biden is GoBots.
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Intro2Logic
09/22/23 7:51:37 PM
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Monolith1676 posted...
Because Obama was decent. Biden is a gaffe machine
What is the practical impact of these things? Do people die from gaffes, the way they did from the foreclosure crisis?

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WingsOfGood
09/22/23 7:52:17 PM
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Thanks Obama
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SayHeyyShohei
09/22/23 7:52:52 PM
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Intro2Logic posted...
Even Democrats now acknowledge that Obama's adherence to the economic ideas of guys like Larry Summers prolonged the misery of the last decade:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/16/us/politics/obama-stimulus-democrats.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/19/upshot/biden-stimulus.html

This is flat out bullshit. Obama was listening to economists Bush and most democrats in the house refused to listen to. He also doesn't have the benefit of hindsight like Biden does. Obama took the risk on his own and prevented massive inflation while simultaneously bringing us out of a recession quicker than most economists predicted.

Biden literally just took the same exact playbook, same economists and everything.

Also lol @ Biden being responsible for wage growth. That's why the entire country is striking.

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Intro2Logic
09/22/23 8:01:00 PM
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SayHeyyShohei posted...
Biden literally just took the same exact playbook, same economists and everything.
Headline from the New Yorker: The Biden White House Is Tossing Obamas Economics Playbook
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-biden-white-house-is-tossing-obamas-economics-playbook

From Business Insider
Biden is splitting with Obama on the economy and the proof is in their stimulus plans
https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-stimulus-obama-economic-recovery-policy-infrastructure-unemployment-coronavirus-recovery-2021-3
Washington Post:
How Larry Summers went from Obama's top economic advisor to one of Biden's loudest critics
https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2021/03/29/summers-biden-economy-inflation/


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andel
09/22/23 8:02:27 PM
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SayHeyyShohei posted...
This is flat out bullshit. Obama was listening to economists Bush and most democrats in the house refused to listen to. He also doesn't have the benefit of hindsight like Biden does. Obama took the risk on his own and prevented massive inflation while simultaneously bringing us out of a recession quicker than most economists predicted.

Biden literally just took the same exact playbook, same economists and everything.

Also lol @ Biden being responsible for wage growth. That's why the entire country is striking.

oh wow, obvious alt just making up blatant bullshit with no basis in reality lol who could see that coming

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