Current Events > Joe Biden has been a better president than Barack Obama

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SayHeyyShohei posted...

Supporting Obama over Biden makes someone an alt now.

Only on CE.

sorry, no one is falling for your shit

thronedfire2 posted...

sorry, no one is falling for your shit

What exactly is the shit you think I want people to fall for?

SayHeyyShohei posted...

What has Biden done for health care?

Is Obamacare not enough for you?

ModernPost posted...

Is Obamacare not enough for you?

He did that as president?

SayHeyyShohei posted...

He did that as president?

...Yes?

EDIT: Wait, I joined the convo late, so I appear to be missing context. My bad.

tc is a dishonest troll so nobody should be replying

SayHeyyShohei posted...

He did that as president?

That might be the funniest response you could give.

What's wrong with Obamacare? What would you like Biden do to improve on it? I mean, Obama did it. Correct?

ModernPost posted...

That might be the funniest response you could give.

What's wrong with Obamacare? What would you like Biden do to improve on it? I mean, Obama did it. Correct?

not to mention that Trump still hasnt put out his ACA replacement plan lmao

cant forget that the first draft was a book full of blank pages

ModernPost posted...

That might be the funniest response you could give.

What's wrong with Obamacare? What would you like Biden do to improve on it? I mean, Obama did it. Correct?

We have now entered the point in the topic where people who didn't read any of the posts automatically assume everyone's position.

I'm the one that said Obama was better than Biden currently is. I was the one who supported Obamacare.

thronedfire2 posted...

not to mention that Trump still hasnt put out his ACA replacement plan lmao

Once again, what the hell does Trump have to do with Biden and Obama?

Hes been the best president in a long ass time actually. Social media likes to hate on him and make it seem acceptable to think hes not very good and when you ask people they dont have anything to really say bad about him.

SayHeyyShohei posted...

Once again, what the hell does Trump have to do with Biden and Obama?

Trump wanted to undo the ACA and said he'd replace it with "something better." Thus, he's directly connected through his own doing. The user you quoted never mentioned Biden or Obama, only the ACA. So what is your grievance?

StealThisSheen posted...

Trump wanted to undo the ACA and said he'd replace it with "something better." Thus, he's directly connected through his own doing. The user you quoted never mentioned Biden or Obama, only the ACA. So what is your grievance?

I would suggest you read throughout the topic then. You are missing context along with everyone's established positions.

You better hope he can turn being better than obama into public approval
because his lead over trump in polls has evaporated. It looks miserable rn

EDF-5 posted...

You better hope he can turn being better than obama into public approval

It'd be nice if the American voter liked good things, but alas

if trump gets voted back in each and every trump voter deserves the absolute worse for them and their family, and they sure as hell better not cry when it happens since they welcomed it with open arms

Biden's NLRB has put more pro-labor changes into effect than any president prior:
https://prospect.org/labor/2023-08-28-bidens-nlrb-brings-workers-rights-back/

Obama is better than Bill Clinton, but yeah he didn't really do much whereas Biden is actively getting good stuff done.

Biden has been a much, much better president, but people have a lot of Obama nostalgia because they like the man a lot. He wasn't a great president though and made a lot of critical mistakes. He was better than all the Republican presidents at least.

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intro is one of those ones who says its entirely hillary and democrats fault for trump getting elected

Ferroseed posted...

intro is one of those ones who says its entirely hillary and democrats fault for trump getting elected

I mean, there's one word you can remove from this sentence and it would be true.

okay i will be honest after further inspection i have absolutely no idea what to make of intro. in the past he has had a habit of blaming democrats for trump stuff and he has also very recently defended mtg but otherwise he appears to support good things? idk im over it already so pay me no mind

Ferroseed posted...

okay i will be honest after further inspection i have absolutely no idea what to make of intro. in the past he has had a habit of blaming democrats for trump stuff and he has also very recently defended mtg but otherwise he appears to support good things? idk im over it already so pay me no mind

He's most likely a concern troll. They "support" good things if it gets a rise out of people.

SayHeyyShohei posted...

I'm the one that said Obama was better than Biden currently is. I was the one who supported Obamacare.

That's my point. You wanted to know what Biden has done for health care, besides be a part of the administration that passed the bill, but what I'm saying is that's a disingenuous question since you presumably like Obamacare. Why is that a criticism of Biden?

CoyoteTheGreat posted...

Biden has been a much, much better president, but people have a lot of Obama nostalgia because they like the man a lot. He wasn't a great president though and made a lot of critical mistakes. He was better than all the Republican presidents at least.

I wouldn't say much much better, but he certainly was able to do more than Obama, probably because Republicans didn't try as hard against an old White man as opposed to a "scary" Black man, especially one with high charisma. Biden also came at an unfortunate time where the general public is sick and tired of the status quo.

Inohira posted...

Obama didn't have major blunders like the Afghanistan thing.

Can't believe you said that unironically, without an /s tag.

People be wildin these days...

Inohira posted...

Obama didn't have major blunders like the Afghanistan thing.

Operation Fast and Furious
Bombing a hospital in Yemen.

I really can't agree that pulling out of Afghanistan was a blunder in any meaningful sense. It was long, LONG overdue. Elements of it were botched long before Biden was ever in office. I really don't think any other president would have handled it better, and many potential presidents would not have done it at all. If anything, that's one of Biden's greatest accomplishments as President.

andel posted...

trump obviously didn't have the courage because he didn't do it, he just legitimized the taliban and caused kurds to get murdered en masse.

And freed something like two dozen ISIS terrorists in the process. Don't forget that.

Na. Obama did a lot more with a lot less. Joe has more success but Obama's biggest monumental Bill the affordable care act is by far the biggest success of our lifetimes.

IceCreamOnStero posted...

and [Obama's] Recession handling wasnt great.

Bikini graph says otherwise.

There's always room for better, but he didn't do too shabby in lifting us at least back to where we were before Bush started.

SayHeyyShohei posted...

And who chose Biden as his VP?

I mean if we're going to rank presidents, generally we use their administrations as a pro and not something you take away from them.

Cry more, tankie. Don't you have a Jimmy Dore podcast to watch while you join hands with the MAGA crowd on how we shouldn't be helping Ukriaine?

ModernPost posted...

That's my point. You wanted to know what Biden has done for health care, besides be a part of the administration that passed the bill, but what I'm saying is that's a disingenuous question since you presumably like Obamacare. Why is that a criticism of Biden?

Because Biden didn't do that as president and that is what the TC was asking, who was the better president?

Cry more, tankie. Don't you have a Jimmy Dore podcast to watch while you join hands with the MAGA crowd on how we shouldn't be helping Ukriaine?

Tf? Jimmy Dore is a tool and I support Ukraine.

You people are all over the place lmfao

SayHeyyShohei posted...

Lol I didn't even consider that.

Truth be told the Biden supporters in here aren't actually supporters of Biden, but they're part of a monolith in identity politics. Blue no matter who folk. Grifted to hell and back by the neoliberalism of the upper class of the democratic party.

Obama supporters are those exact same people.

nocturnal_traveler posted...

I wouldn't say much much better, but he certainly was able to do more than Obama, probably because Republicans didn't try as hard against an old White man as opposed to a "scary" Black man, especially one with high charisma. Biden also came at an unfortunate time where the general public is sick and tired of the status quo.

That's not an unfortunate time. People should be even more sick of the status quo

IceCreamOnStero posted...

That's not an unfortunate time. People should be even more sick of the status quo

I agree. I was just saying that when Obama was President, they weren't quite sick of it yet.

IceCreamOnStero posted...

Obama supporters are those exact same people.

You confused me with being an Obama fanboy. All I stated so far was that he was better than Biden.

Ferroseed posted...

he has also very recently defended mtg

I have zero idea what this is in reference to

ACA was big, and I don't know if another person would have gotten it done. Biden is mostly inoffensive. Sometimes Biden says something, but the effort towards action, if any, gets blocked immediately. Obama definitely didn't clean up with the wars started under Bush though. Obama has a big success and shameful followthrough/inaction, whereas Biden is kind of just there. I don't have a strong stance on who was the better of the two.

VeesMcGees posted...

ACA was big, and I don't know if another person would have gotten it done. Biden is mostly inoffensive. Sometimes Biden says something, but the effort towards action, if any, gets blocked immediately. Obama definitely didn't clean up with the wars started under Bush though. Obama has a big success and shameful followthrough/inaction, whereas Biden is kind of just there. I don't have a strong stance on who was the better of the two.

the infrastructure deal is a massive success and is the first successful infrastructure deal in eons.

biden is governing significantly to the left of obama through actual policy as well as supported positions.

obama wasn't bad, he was better than any modern president before him, biden has just been demonstrably better than obama kinda like obama was clearly better than clinton or carter

SayHeyyShohei posted...

Reading is hard. I posted the link. You can make your own inferences by looking at the economists/policies and further citations mentioned, and cross referencing those with Biden's.

so you can't back up your claim? we knew that but thanks for confirming it lol

"It was fine to do this thing that had terrible results because it needed to be done" is an odd take on the Afghanistan withdrawal. As the decades over there showed a presence could've been maintained indefinitely.

ModernPost posted...

That's my point. You wanted to know what Biden has done for health care, besides be a part of the administration that passed the bill, but what I'm saying is that's a disingenuous question since you presumably like Obamacare. Why is that a criticism of Biden?

This is a bizarre point.

Sweeping health reform was signed durung Obama's presidency. Sweeping health reform has not been signed during Biden's presidency. They both campaigned on some form of health reform, so "healthcare's good enough already" doesn't cut it to downplay the difference there.

Valjackal posted...

Nah.

In less than three years Biden accomplished way more than any other president including Obamas eight years. Its not even close.

The problem, aside from Bidens reluctance to celebrate publicly, is that everyone is distracted by the blaring car alarm that is the Republican party.

But the scope and range of issues hes tackled is well beyond what presidents with full control of Congress managed.

edit
Healthcare - the government can now negotiate for prescription drug brices using Medicares massive buying power.

andel posted...

so you can't back up your claim? we knew that but thanks for confirming it lol

By this logic, neither could the guy who threw opinion pieces at me.

But you'll ignore that.

SayHeyyShohei posted...

By this logic, neither could the guy who threw opinion pieces at me.

But you'll ignore that.

i tend to only focus on the bullshit claims i am actually addressing, but thanks for admitting the obvious lol

andel posted...

i tend to only focus on the bullshit claims i am actually addressing, but thanks for admitting the obvious lol

Admitting what obvious?

Despite what you may believe, not everyone is in your head.