Current Events > Israel is using White Phosphorus on civilians

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At this point, the Israeli government's actions are inexcusable. They have attempted to starve and dehydrate the people of Gaza. They're burning civilians with white phosphorus. Now, they're saying the people have 24 hours to completely relocate. The government has decided it is going to commit genocide.

I believe that Israel as a nation has a right to exist. But no government has a right to do this to any nation. There's no amount of damage control that can be done to justify genocide. Even if you see Israel as a nation perpetually defending itself, you can't earnestly argue that they have to eliminate all non-Jewish individuals in their surrounding area to survive.

If it's a perpetual fight to keep the land, then it's a perpetual fight to keep the land. They can't just wipe a people off the face of the Earth.

Enclave posted...

Like I said earlier, if it's on X? Wait for a reputable source. Both xcretions and added context can be wrong on that site nowadays. People have to stop trusting that site, it's not as good of a source as it once was, not even close.

Well, we got that reputable source now. So in this case I suppose it was the added context that was fucked.

Insane that I don't see this level of pushback reciprocated both ways. Do people not know how Israel have treated not just Gaza, but even West Bank who actually cooperates with whatever Israel asks of them? They're viewed as subhuman. Even many Israelis have woken up to this. Use of WP is no surprise. I don't blame for wanting confirmation, but many people were very on board with believing the baby beheading which hasn't been.

Ricemills posted...

And this is why I understand why people both-siding on arguments about this conflict.

It's baffling to me how many people are so dug in on either side. From my perspective the most charitable thing I could say for anyone doing that is they picked (what they believe) the least bad option and ran with it. Arguments could surely be made for justifying this or that but nobody looks good here.

So the white phosphorus has been confirmed... I guess we'll wait to see what excuse is given for that or if things suddenly get quiet about that topic here

ThyCorndog posted...

So the white phosphorus has been confirmed... I guess we'll wait to see what excuse is given for that or if things suddenly get quiet about that topic here

Im more interested in what the media will have to say about it.

Dark_Arbron posted...

Im more interested in what the media will have to say about it.

That's true. How'd they react the last time?

You guys really think the media will even report this? I'm not even sure some progressives are willing to talk about this seeing as accusations of antisemitism will be the end of their channels especially on Youtube.

tremain07 posted...

You guys really think the media will even report this?

Thats my point.

ThyCorndog posted...

That's true. How'd they react the last time?

We declared ourselves to be their strongest ally as I recall.

tremain07 posted...

You guys really think the media will even report this? I'm not even sure some progressives are willing to talk about this seeing as accusations of antisemitism will be the end of their channels especially on Youtube.

Auto translated from german, but this is what my Newspaper says about this:

HRW accuses Israel of using white phosphorus
Human Rights Watch accuses Israel of using munitions containing white phosphorus in the Gaza Strip and Lebanon. The human rights organization said it verified videos taken in Lebanon on Oct. 10 and in Gaza on Oct. 11. It said they showed several airstrikes with white phosphorus over the port of Gaza City and two rural locations along the border between Israel and Lebanon. The Israeli military, when asked, said it was not currently aware of the use of white phosphorus weapons in Gaza.

White phosphorus is highly flammable. The white smoke (phosphorus pentoxide) it produces can be lethal if inhaled. The toxic substance is used militarily in incendiary bombs, signaling devices, tracer munitions, and smoke bombs and can cause severe burns.

The use of white phosphorus against military targets is controversial but not banned. The 1980 Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons (CCW) only precludes the use of equivalent incendiary bombs against civilians. Previously, Israel's military had used white phosphorus primarily to disguise ground operations because it creates a dense smoke screen. However, it can also be used as an incendiary weapon.

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FortuneCookie posted...

Now, they're saying the people have 24 hours to completely relocate. The government has decided it is going to commit genocide.

Eh, some nuance. Its more like the IDF warning the civilians to get out ASAP because their bullets and shells obviously wont know the difference and its practically impossible to not kill civilians when these battles are happening inside occupied neighborhoods. Of course the timeframe probably is not realistic, but Israel seems hellbent on neutralizing Hamas entirely.

tremain07 posted...

You guys really think the media will even report this?

Reuters, the New York Times, and the Washington Post already have.

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Eh, some nuance. Its more like the IDF warning the civilians to get out ASAP because their bullets and shells obviously wont know the difference and its practically impossible to not kill civilians when these battles are happening inside occupied neighborhoods. Of course the timeframe probably is not realistic, but Israel seems hellbent on neutralizing Hamas entirely.

That's not enough time to evacuate and they know it. This is just seeking justification for wholesale slaughter by making the victims noncompliant.

They dont even let them evacuate in peace...

https://twitter.com/theIMEU/status/1712874826199978448

https://twitter.com/m7mdkurd/status/1712863526665003266

FortuneCookie posted...

That's not enough time to evacuate and they know it. This is just seeking justification for wholesale slaughter by making the victims noncompliant.

Ok, stop shoving your opinion in there and focus on the facts. I know you are trying to paint the picture of Israeli soldiers just spraying bullets everywhere without any regard of who they hit, but you saying that over and over again doesnt make it true.

FortuneCookie posted...

That's not enough time to evacuate and they know it. This is just seeking justification for wholesale slaughter by making the victims noncompliant.

It's basically the country scale equivalent of a cop telling a suspect to put their hands up then shooting them half a second later.

Man do I regret looking at videos discussing this, people are not only okay with this they want to be even crueler and just want all of Israel's enemies to die

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

Ok, stop shoving your opinion in there and focus on the facts. I know you are trying to paint the picture of Israeli soldiers just spraying bullets everywhere without any regard of who they hit, but you saying that over and over again doesnt make it true.

But it is true. Netanyahu wants to kill Palestinians just like Hamas wants to kill Jews.

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

Ok, stop shoving your opinion in there and focus on the facts. I know you are trying to paint the picture of Israeli soldiers just spraying bullets everywhere without any regard of who they hit, but you saying that over and over again doesnt make it true.

Here are some facrs.

• Bombing one of the two roads that actually lead south is bad when you expect over a million people to WALK south 7 miles
• Buses are generally slower vehicles, if Israel cant identify a bus before they drop bombs, then they arent bothering to confirm ground targets before bombing the himanitarian corridor.

ThyCorndog posted...

So the white phosphorus has been confirmed... I guess we'll wait to see what excuse is given for that or if things suddenly get quiet about that topic here

Israel living up to its reputation as a terrorist state.

How is this any different than Saddam gassing the Kurds?

ClayGuida posted...

How is this any different than Saddam gassing the Kurds?

It's not

ClayGuida posted...

How is this any different than Saddam gassing the Kurds?

Who the fuck said it was any different?