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brestugo
10/17/23 10:45:00 AM
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https://nesn.com/2023/10/patriots-rumors-latest-on-bill-belichicks-job-security-amid-slide/

If Robert Kraft does make the difficult decision to part ways with Bill Belichick after what looks like a lost Patriots season, it wont be your garden-variety head coach firing.

Speaking Monday on The Pat McAfee Show, ESPNs Adam Schefter said a potential Belichick dismissal would be handled entirely differently due to his and Krafts wildly successful, decades-long relationship together.

First of all, I think hes treated differently, as he should be, than any other coach, Schefter said. On a Monday or Sunday night after the season ends, well get three, four, five, six firings of head coaches, and I just dont think youre going to get one of these statements (after) the last regular-season game where the Patriots are firing Bill Belichick.

I just dont think it works like that when theres the history and the accomplishments and the resumes and the relationship that there has been between he and Robert Kraft. And so this situation is treated entirely differently.

Past accomplishments understandably bought Belichick more goodwill than nearly any other coach would have in his situation. But Kraft, who said in March that he expected his team to be back in the playoffs this season, could be reaching his breaking point.

The Patriots have a losing record in the post-Tom Brady era, havent won a playoff game since 2019 and currently sit at 1-5 for the first time since 1995 after suffering their third consecutive loss, 21-17 to the Las Vegas Raiders on Sunday at Allegian Stadium.

Theyre having the type of season thats going to warrant those types of questions, and everybodys going to wonder exactly how the situation is going to play out, Schefter said. Because nobody thinks that they can continue just like this with the team reeling in a way that were not used to seeing, with the offense struggling in a way were not used to seeing, with a team performing in a way were not used to seeing. This is so abnormal for a team that has been the best team arguably in all of sports over the last couple of decades.

Belichick is the only NFL head coach who also serves as his teams de facto general manager, owning final say on all roster decisions. The Patriots rash of recent roster-building missteps which are burning them on the offensive line and at receiver this season triggered speculation that Kraft could strip Belichick of his GM duties, but its unclear whether (and, honestly, unlikely that) he would agree to such an arrangement.

Bill is 71 years old, and everybody wants to see change, and he has been the guy at the top, Schefter said. Look, I just think there are going to be some hard conversations that naturally occur between he and Robert Kraft, and where those go, I dont know.

Is Bill going to want out? Are they going to want him out? Are they going to decide mutually to end it together? There are a whole bunch of questions about how it will go on.

Those questions could grow louder in the coming weeks. The Patriots next two games are against formidable AFC East opponents in the Buffalo Bills (home) and Miami Dolphins (road).

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GrandConjuraton
10/17/23 10:46:01 AM
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DKBananaSlamma
10/17/23 10:46:51 AM
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So it was Brady doing all the work and Belichick just shared the glory?

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Bishop_Hastur
10/17/23 10:53:10 AM
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DKBananaSlamma posted...
So it was Brady doing all the work and Belichick just shared the glory?
There is a reason he used to be known as Belichoke.

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Jagr_68
10/17/23 10:56:08 AM
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DKBananaSlamma posted...
So it was Brady doing all the work and Belichick just shared the glory?

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Calwings
10/17/23 11:15:55 AM
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A great head coach with tons of goodwill who refuses to retire gracefully and stays far beyond his welcome... it's Don Shula all over again.

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DKBananaSlamma
10/17/23 11:21:26 AM
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Jagr_68 posted...
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EDIT: Fuck, why did that emoji come out so weird? That isn't what I typed, GameFAQS!

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ScazarMeltex
10/17/23 11:24:02 AM
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DKBananaSlamma posted...
So it was Brady doing all the work and Belichick just shared the glory?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/6/9/AAA5FdAAE8X9.jpg

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brestugo
10/17/23 11:28:24 AM
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Calwings posted...
A great head coach with tons of goodwill who refuses to retire gracefully and stays far beyond his welcome... it's Don Shula all over again.

Yeah. Never a fan, but his record speaks for itself. The talk is that the game has really passed him by and he refuses to admit it.

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brestugo
10/17/23 6:44:07 PM
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DKBananaSlamma posted...
So it was Brady doing all the work and Belichick just shared the glory?

I think it's harder to separate the credit than some people think.

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StealThisSheen
10/17/23 6:49:21 PM
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brestugo posted...
I think it's harder to separate the credit than some people think.

Yeah, but we have to try and hit every possible reaction, first.

First, it was that Brady wasn't anything special, it was all Belichick.
Now, it's that Belichick isn't anything special, it was all Brady.

I believe next we might hit "It was actually neither, aliens did it."

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Link_of_time
10/19/23 6:50:17 PM
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Even if you get rid of him, it wont improve your team. The Patriots are in talent drain after having lost all of their stars. The problem isnt the coach its the whole team. Time to rebuild.
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DrizztLink
10/19/23 6:57:01 PM
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brestugo posted...
Never a fan, but his record speaks for itself.
That he's hopeless without Brady?

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ClayGuida
10/19/23 6:57:23 PM
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More pressure to fire Belichick than to fire Tomlin.

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ironman2009
10/19/23 6:58:27 PM
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ClayGuida posted...
More pressure to fire Belichick than to fire Tomlin.

steelers will fire the whole staff before firing tomlin

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Son_Of_Spam
10/19/23 6:58:41 PM
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I think they just need to take away his GM responsibilities. I think he's still a great head coach, but he's always been mediocre to bad at being a GM. Brady spent nearly half his career there throwing to guys who were no. 2 receivers at best.

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wackyteen
10/19/23 7:00:13 PM
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I would be surprised if they fire Belichick.

I'm sure he and Kraft have had deep conversations about the state of the team and what is wrong.

Either they gamble on moving on from him or stay with what they know Bill can do.

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voldothegr8
10/19/23 7:01:01 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
That he's hopeless without Brady?
He won 2 rings as DC before head coaching.

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VRX3000
10/19/23 7:01:32 PM
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Well the patriots also got caught cheating in like 7 different ways when they were winning. So it could very well be neither.

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Tyranthraxus
10/19/23 7:02:03 PM
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GrandConjuraton posted...
Who

#1 most Superbowl wins of any NFL coach

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thronedfire2
10/19/23 7:04:24 PM
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Bill was obviously the best coach in the league for a long time, but they spent too long refusing to improve the positions besides QB and corner

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Sexypwnstar
10/19/23 7:04:46 PM
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Can you imagine how GOATED Brady would be if he had a competent head coach?

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Bio1590
10/19/23 7:07:59 PM
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They need to fire Bill the GM.

But doing that and not firing Bill the Coach is probably not possible.

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Null_Gain
10/19/23 7:17:22 PM
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Teams have also wised up to the Patriots' tendency to spy on practices as well. Most famous case was the Eagles having a fake practice for the Super Bowl and having their real practice in the hotel lobby. The Patriots defense looked completely lost that game instead of having a dominating performance

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thronedfire2
10/19/23 7:24:07 PM
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Null_Gain posted...
Teams have also wised up to the Patriots' tendency to spy on practices as well. Most famous case was the Eagles having a fake practice for the Super Bowl and having their real practice in the hotel lobby. The Patriots defense looked completely lost that game instead of having a dominating performance

bruh are you really on the spygate shit still?

literally every team stole signals and taped practices(and still do), the patriots only got in trouble because their camera guy was in the wrong spot. the eagles won that SB because they played better and Butler got benched

what hotel has a lobby big enough for an NFL practice?

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ironman2009
10/19/23 7:25:08 PM
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teams still try to steal signs/plays. hell the NCAA just announced today they're investigating michigan for doing that shit.

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creativeme
10/19/23 7:26:24 PM
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it's definitely time but it's similar to pop in the nba. how do you fire one of the all time great coaches? if they didn't luck into wemby they could have been in the same situation after this year. honestly surprised it wasn't really brought up much the last few years when they should have moved on.

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ironman2009
10/19/23 7:29:07 PM
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creativeme posted...
it's definitely time but it's similar to pop in the nba. how do you fire one of the all time great coaches? if they didn't luck into wemby they could have been in the same situation after this year. honestly surprised it wasn't really brought up much the last few years when they should have moved on.

there's no way the spurs would fire Pop even if they went 1-81 (they beat the Lakers), they know the replacement would not even come close whoever it is.

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Null_Gain
10/19/23 7:30:04 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
bruh are you really on the spygate shit still?

literally every team stole signals and taped practices, the patriots only got in trouble because their camera guy was in the wrong spot. the eagles won that SB because they played better and Butler got benched

what hotel has a lobby big enough for an NFL practice?

This was post Spygate but it's funny seeing Pats stans still getting ass mad over their team getting called out.

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thronedfire2
10/19/23 7:32:13 PM
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Null_Gain posted...
This was post Spygate but it's funny seeing Pats stans still getting ass mad over their team getting called out.

if you think that post was 'ass mad' you either don't even know what mad is, or you're some buttsage NFL board perpetually banned alt

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StealThisSheen
10/19/23 7:33:40 PM
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ClayGuida posted...
More pressure to fire Belichick than to fire Tomlin.

What do you mean by this, exactly? Please explain.

I'm just asking, since the current offense-less Steelers are 3-2, while the Patriots are currently 1-5, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

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StealThisSheen
10/19/23 7:38:36 PM
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Null_Gain posted...
Teams have also wised up to the Patriots' tendency to spy on practices as well. Most famous case was the Eagles having a fake practice for the Super Bowl and having their real practice in the hotel lobby. The Patriots defense looked completely lost that game instead of having a dominating performance

I'm definitely no Patriots fan, but I'm gonna ask for a source on this, as well, because literally no hotel lobby is big enough for an actual NFL team to practice in, and I feel it's honestly kinda alarming that you believe it happened, so I'm asking for a source in case it's one of those "So crazy it's true" kind of things.

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thronedfire2
10/19/23 7:40:46 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
I'm definitely no Patriots fan, but I'm gonna ask for a source on this, as well, because literally no hotel lobby is big enough for an actual NFL team to practice in, and I feel it's honestly kinda alarming that you believe it happened, so I'm asking for a source in case it's one of those "So crazy it's true" kind of things.

God's fucking Palace has a lobby that excessive

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StealThisSheen
10/19/23 7:46:45 PM
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Honestly, that argument was so bizarre I just wanna ignore it and move back to Clay's post implying there's something fishy about Belichick getting pressure to be fired over Tomlin. I'd really love to hear the rationale for that.

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wackyteen
10/19/23 7:50:48 PM
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I've seen some pretty extravagant hotel lobbies but I'm not sure any could hold a nfl practice lol. I've seen some hallways in hotels that might could but no sane coach would hold a Super Bowl practice there

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Null_Gain
10/19/23 7:54:17 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
I'm definitely no Patriots fan, but I'm gonna ask for a source on this, as well, because literally no hotel lobby is big enough for an actual NFL team to practice in, and I feel it's honestly kinda alarming that you believe it happened, so I'm asking for a source in case it's one of those "So crazy it's true" kind of things.

Maybe I got Mandela Effect'd but I swear I remember hearing about the Eagles Offense running plays in their hotel (hotel lobby was probably an exaggeraton) along with the famous fake practice

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StealThisSheen
10/19/23 7:57:34 PM
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Null_Gain posted...
Maybe I got Mandela Effect'd but I swear I remember hearing about the Eagles Offense running plays in their hotel (hotel lobby was probably an exaggeraton) along with the famous fake practice

If it was talking over plays, I could see it. But nowhere inside of a hotel would be large enough to actually run plays. Atleast, not effectively. I think you were duped.

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StealThisSheen
10/19/23 8:00:53 PM
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I found what you're talking about. The Eagles long snapper went on a radio show and said he believes their final walkthrough was fake, but he didn't really have much to base it on other than his own beliefs/observations.

I can't find anything saying they ran "real" practices inside of a hotel.

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CyborgSage00x0
10/19/23 8:06:27 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
Honestly, that argument was so bizarre I just wanna ignore it and move back to Clay's post implying there's something fishy about Belichick getting pressure to be fired over Tomlin. I'd really love to hear the rationale for that.
Clay hates the Steelers and loves trolling them, almost as much as he loves carrying water for Hamas.

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StealThisSheen
10/19/23 8:11:31 PM
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CyborgSage00x0 posted...
Clay hates the Steelers and loves trolling them, almost as much as he loves carrying water for Hamas.

I'm glad it's Steelers hate, honestly. I was ready to assume racism, based on some of his previous sports posts. He gets very... Weird, about sports.

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StealThisSheen
10/19/23 8:15:28 PM
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Like, case in point, I'll never forget Clay having a shit fit across multiple topics, saying things like "I'm so fucking done with this Damar Hamlin shit," and "This is only happening because fucking Damar Hamlin," about the guy who literally almost died on the field, because he was so afraid the playoffs might be changed and hurt his precious... Bengals? I forget who he loves.

It was disgusting.

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ClayGuida
10/19/23 9:18:45 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
What do you mean by this, exactly? Please explain.

I'm just asking, since the current offense-less Steelers are 3-2, while the Patriots are currently 1-5, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
Patriots have struggled since their HOF qb left. Steelers have struggled since their hof qb left.

It's the same picture.

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