Current Events > Whose missile hit the hospital in Gaza?

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Ronaldo posted...

Are the people voting for Israel in denial? Have they not seen the very clear and indisputable proof? Or is this a case of people believing what was pushed the first day and just rolling it with do to unwilful ignorance.

To be fair, we live in an age where we are overfilled with information.
Every side do propaganda, and it is pretty easy to produce fake evidence.
If something looks like a duck, walks like a duck and sounds like a duck, then most people will assume that it is a duck, even if the other side says that it is a dog.
In this case, it was a horse.
That said, we will always have shills that you cant convince.
And in some cases, we got people that missed the new evidence, or believed that it was another lie and didnt look deeper into it.

Rai_Jin posted...

I thought he didn't actually say that?

He said I never really thought that I would see and have confirmed pictures of terrorists beheading children.
Then the White House clarified that he had only read about it.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna119865

Fuck if I know

Ronaldo posted...

Are the people voting for Israel in denial? Have they not seen the very clear and indisputable proof? Or is this a case of people believing what was pushed the first day and just rolling it with do to unwilful ignorance.

Just keep slurping up that propaganda.

Ronaldo posted...

Are the people voting for Israel in denial? Have they not seen the very clear and indisputable proof? Or is this a case of people believing what was pushed the first day and just rolling it with do to unwilful ignorance.

It is exactly that kind of case. Denial of proven facts universally acknowledged by all serious media outlets so they can maintain their outlandish narrative. Its like flat-earthers really, but at least those are funny.

it's a bit different this time because by all means someone would assume it was Israel, and it also was said to be them at first wasn't it?

But they will get their chance to shine.

The only ones who have provided any factual information that can be verified is Israel.
Hamas and Palestine have had two days now to provide their own and haven't.

Israel provided audio captured of Hamas claiming it was Islamic Jihad (the organization.)
Israel shows before and after pictures showing it was a parking lot and there was no cratering.
No cratering means it was a smaller rocket and not a heavy missile.
Israel shows the burned cars and not destroyed cars. Once again supporting that it was a rocket and not a missile.
Israel shows surveillance of all the rocket launches in the area at the time.

Why is the poll even remotely thinking it's Israel still? Why do you have a higher burden of proof for one side and not the other?

Hamas and Palestine could easily disprove everything with evidence of missile shrapnel. It would be very conclusive and fast.

Ronaldo posted...

Are the people voting for Israel in denial? Have they not seen the very clear and indisputable proof? Or is this a case of people believing what was pushed the first day and just rolling it with do to unwilful ignorance.

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Bought/stolen accounts were brought out to shill for Russia, guess now they're moving to Israel.

Also, where's the outrage that Hamas is using hospitals for their operations? Why is the line that a bombing happened in the parking lot of a hospital so infuriating, but not that a military organization (Terrorist) are using hospitals?

WoodenRook posted...

Also, where's the outrage that Hamas is using hospitals for their operations? Why is the line that a bombing happened in the parking lot of a hospital so infuriating, but not that a military organization (Terrorist) are using hospitals?

'Terrorists did something bad so I HAD to bomb a hospital' is really the argument you want to make?

Collat posted...

Anybody still believing Israel at this point is just hopelessly naive.

A faulty missile just happens to fall on a hospital by accident a day after BBC posts an article claiming Hamas built tunnels under them.

Pretty big coincidence there.

There wasn't even a crater where the missile hit, just a scorch mark on the cars and parking lot. No way was that a missile fired with intent to destroy a tunnel network. That was almost certainly an incendiary munition, the type which is typical in terrorist rocket attacks.

I'm genuinely curious as to why people are still convinced this strike was from Isreal after the fact.

Funkydog posted...

'Terrorists did something bad so I HAD to bomb a hospital' is really the argument you want to make?

That's not the argument I made at all. The argument I made on that part is in post 58. But since we're on the subject, why are you outraged at Israel so much and not the terrorist organization using hospitals?
WoodenRook posted...

The only ones who have provided any factual information that can be verified is Israel.
Hamas and Palestine have had two days now to provide their own and haven't.

Israel provided audio captured of Hamas claiming it was Islamic Jihad (the organization.)
Israel shows before and after pictures showing it was a parking lot and there was no cratering.
No cratering means it was a smaller rocket and not a heavy missile.
Israel shows the burned cars and not destroyed cars. Once again supporting that it was a rocket and not a missile.
Israel shows surveillance of all the rocket launches in the area at the time.

Why is the poll even remotely thinking it's Israel still? Why do you have a higher burden of proof for one side and not the other?

Hamas and Palestine could easily disprove everything with evidence of missile shrapnel. It would be very conclusive and fast.

WoodenRook posted...

That's not the argument I made at all. The argument I made on that part is in post 58. But since we're on the subject, why are you outraged at Israel so much and not the terrorist organization using hospitals?

Except that is all that argument boils down to. Everyone thinks Hamas is scum for using Palestinians as shields, but that doesn't mean you slaughter civilians as Israel does.

Dark_Arbron posted...

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Bought/stolen accounts were brought out to shill for Russia, guess now they're moving to Israel.

Yup.

WoodenRook posted...

That's not the argument I made at all. The argument I made on that part is in post 58. But since we're on the subject, why are you outraged at Israel so much and not the terrorist organization using hospitals?

they confirmed bombing the areas around the hospital but still deny the bombing of the hospital.

Reminds me of a guilty person admitting to a lesser crime to deny an even bigger crime

It may or may not be Israel that bombed the hospital, nothing is known for certain right now.

What is known for certain though.

IT WAS Israel that did all the other air strikes/bombings they themselves claimed responsibility for including bombing a School being used as a Shelter.
Even after they were given the coordinates to prevent them from accidentally bombing it.

Being innocent of one war crime does not free them of guilt from the rest.

The World Health Organization has documented 48 attacks on health care in the Gaza Strip since October 7, when Israel began bombarding the region in response to a terrorist attack by Hamas.

At least 24 hospitals were damaged during the bombings, and three facilities in northern Gaza had to be evacuated, per the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs.

They have and will continue to bomb hospitals and health care facilities/emergency shelters.

Either way Israel should not be trusted at their word just as Hamas should not be trusted at their word.

Truist the 3rd Parties that are begging and pleading with Israel for mercy for those caught in the crossfire that are dying left and right because neither Israel nor Hamas give a flying fuck about them.

You really think there were Hamas in all of those places? Or do you think maybe its just a convenient excuse for the IDF to bomb the shit out of Palestine?

Funkydog posted...

Except that is all that argument boils down to. Everyone thinks Hamas is scum for using Palestinians as shields, but that doesn't mean you slaughter civilians as Israel does.

No it's not. The argument boils down to one side having provided as much proof as they can and another side not providing anything. Why do you expect Israel to provide even MORE proof and Palestine/Hamas not providing any?

What could Israel show you to convince you that it was a rocket fired from Islamic Jihad?

ZaruenKosai posted...

So even if this one attack on the hospital was not them,

This is the one we're talking about.

And Hamas has to be dealt with. What do you expect Israel to do when they are attacked? Just say "Oh, we can't do anything because they're using civilians as shields?" It's Hamas using them as shields. Hamas is doing two wrong things and getting passes. They're attacking someone and they're using civilian shields. And yet it's still the people that were attacked fault for fighting back?

apocalyptic_4 posted...

I'm genuinely curious as to why people are still convinced this strike was from Isreal after the fact.

People have already picked their side. They'll deny any evidence to the contrary, even if the proof is presented right in front of their face.

ZaruenKosai posted...

So even if this one attack on the hospital was not them, it does not admonish them of their infinite war crimes or bombings on the innocent palestinians.

nobody is saying that. We are arguing about the missile that hit the hospital area.

WoodenRook posted...

No it's not. The argument boils down to one side having provided as much proof as they can and another side not providing anything. Why do you expect Israel to provide even MORE proof and Palestine/Hamas not providing any?

What could Israel show you to convince you that it was a rocket fired from Islamic Jihad?

But much of that proof has been disproven, such as the audio, or doesn't really prove much either way.

Israel has repeatedly lied with their propaganda. Why should we suddenly believe them now when they've been found to have made evidence up and had warned that they were going to bomb the place?

Funkydog posted...

Except that is all that argument boils down to. Everyone thinks Hamas is scum for using Palestinians as shields, but that doesn't mean you slaughter civilians as Israel does.

Nobody appears to be telling them to stop, though. If anything, more and more excuses are appearing to justify their behavior.

Funkydog posted...

But much of that proof has been disproven, such as the audio, or doesn't really prove much either way.

No it hasn't.
Funkydog posted...

Israel has repeatedly lied with their propaganda. Why should we suddenly believe them now when they've been found to have made evidence up and had warned that they were going to bomb the place?

Everything I've seen from them seems very documented and articulated. Hamas/Palestine isn't providing any evidence contrary to what Israel has provided.

WoodenRook posted...

Hamas and Palestine could easily disprove everything with evidence of missile shrapnel. It would be very conclusive and fast.

I doubt Hamas really talks to the media much.

Pogo_Marimo posted...

There wasn't even a crater where the missile hit, just a scorch mark on the cars and parking lot. No way was that a missile fired with intent to destroy a tunnel network. That was almost certainly an incendiary munition, the type which is typical in terrorist rocket attacks.

Yes. It's all a coincidence.

It would be more believable if Israel claimed terrorists did it themselves to frame Israel. That sounds like something terrorists would do.

Funkydog posted...

'Terrorists did something bad so I HAD to bomb a hospital' is really the argument you want to make?

Israel didn't, first of all.
2nd...if hamas or some other Palestinian terrorists cache a bunch of weapons and explosives in a fucking hospital and launch rockets from it, YES it is a military target at that point, and international law recognizes that fact.
Israel was giving them at least 24 hours notice (apparently longer/indefinitely, since it wasn't them).

Be angry at the terrorists for intentionally putting hospitals and schools into the combat zone because getting Palestinians killed is their goal, and no one is better at it than them. The more corpses the more propaganda they can push online...even when they're the result of their own fucking explosives.

Tom_Joad posted...

Nobody appears to be telling them to stop, though. If anything, more and more excuses are appearing to justify their behavior.

No one is excusing the terrorists.

It's simply not helpful to ignore the fact that the oppressive arpethied state committing genocide is the one doing exactly what Hamas wants.

Here is a good break down of debunking IDF's claim they didn't bomb the hospital.

https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1714993232453472310

And also common sense to me tells me Hamas doesn't have a missle that sounds like a JDAM accuracy missle nor they have anything that powerful. Common sense tells me Israel has lied before and will lie again.

WoodenRook posted...

And Hamas has to be dealt with. What do you expect Israel to do when they are attacked? Just say "Oh, we can't do anything because they're using civilians as shields?"

Yes?

There is never a justified reason to knowingly attack civilians.

WoodenRook posted...

This is the one we're talking about.

I was bringing up the others as context to show what Israel is capable of, I mean we can see they are commiting all these atrocities, many of which they admitted to themselves.

so why do we believe that but can not believe they are capable of mimicing a hamas attack on a hospital?
they have lied many times before, but all of a sudden, this is the lie of israel that we should trust?

Tom_Joad posted...

Nobody appears to be telling them to stop, though. If anything, more and more excuses are appearing to justify their behavior.

not a single person has justified Hamas Terrorist attacks, that is your attempt to paint people as Terrorist sympathizers to discredit anything negative they say about Israel.

having seen the photos I feel like if the israelis did it, they would have done a much better job.

Ajiri posted...

Here is a good break down of debunking IDF's claim they didn't bomb the hospital.

https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1714993232453472310

And also common sense to me tells me Hamas doesn't have a missle that sounds like a JDAM accuracy missle nor they have anything that powerful. Common sense tells me Israel has lied before and will lie again.

Some random on Twitter playing tense music in their video is your proof versus all the media and experts that have already aired?

Fine. If that's your proof.

I'm not convinced.

Collat posted...

Yes?

There is never a justified reason to knowingly attack civilians.

So, they just let themselves get attacked? Terrorists get to always win? They have the ultimate trump card.

WoodenRook posted...

So, they just let themselves get attacked? Terrorists get to always win? They have the ultimate trump card.

They deal with the root of the problem as I have mentioned many times.

Treating Palestinians as equal human beings with equal rights deserving of life.

I'm really not appreciating the bad faith posters in this topic.

"Israel did X previously"

"This influencer that I will misrepresent as an IDF spokesman said Israel did it"

I'm waiting for you guys to show physical evidence. Oh wait, you have none.

Meanwhile, in reality, there's clear radar and video evidence showing a rocket that originates in Gaza, fails mid flight, and then falls onto a hospital.

Funkydog posted...

No one is excusing the terrorists.

It's simply not helpful to ignore the fact that the oppressive arpethied state committing genocide is the one doing exactly what Hamas wants.

We'll see. The next time Israel hits a site used by Hamas to attack civilians (Israeli), you will... over course... condemn Hamas for their attack. Right?

Say to everyone that what Hamas did was wrong and that they must stop doing to immediately, right?

Or will you say nothing except that Israel "committed genocide" for attacking a site used by Hamas to attack civilians?

Think about it. What do you think you would do?

ZaruenKosai posted...

They deal with the root of the problem as I have mentioned many times.

Treating Palestinians as equal human beings with equal rights deserving of life.

They did that already.

These attacks and wars are what have continued to strip away their rights and equality. It's the same terrorists using them as shields.

Smdh. No point in even presenting evidence to Israel backers, they will defend Israel not matter what.

WoodenRook posted...

Some random on Twitter playing tense music in their video is your proof versus all the media and experts that have already aired?

Fine. If that's your proof.

I'm not convinced.

that seems a video directly from al jazeera though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcNMPlj1iAA

Ajiri posted...

Smdh. No point in even presenting evidence to Israel backers, they will defend Israel not matter what.

You provided a Tweet with Top Gun levels of propaganda music that didn't address 90% of what was said by Israel. Your evidence was, frankly, bullshit.

WoodenRook posted...

So, they just let themselves get attacked? Terrorists get to always win? They have the ultimate trump card.

Maybe they could come up with a plan that isn't just shelling civilian homes?

This "right to defend themselves" bullshit falls apart very easily. They are killing innocent Palestinians because they don't care about them. Not because their hands are tied.

Rai_Jin posted...

that seems a video directly from al jazeera though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcNMPlj1iAA

Still the same. How do they explain the non cratering and burning? How do they explain no missile shrapnel? How do they explain the radar images?

Collat posted...

Maybe they could come up with a plan that isn't just shelling civilian homes?

What's the plan stan?

Tom_Joad posted...

We'll see. The next time Israel hits a site used by Hamas to attack civilians (Israeli), you will... over course... condemn Hamas for their attack. Right?

What a braindead argument.

Collat posted...

What a braindead argument.

Guess that's a "no" from you.

WoodenRook posted...

They did that already.

These attacks and wars are what have continued to strip away their rights and equality.

Israel has been an apartheid regime for 70+ years and has never treated Palestinians as people.

Rai_Jin posted...

that seems a video directly from al jazeera though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcNMPlj1iAA

The fundamental problem with that video is that Israel does not intercept over Gaza.

Tom_Joad posted...

Guess that's a "no" from you.

Calling out Israel's terrible human rights record is not mutually exclusive with calling out Hamas. The only sympathetic party in that region for the past 70 years are the civilians caught in the crossfire. Palestinian harassed and civilians killed by Israel's apartheid state and deliberate bombings, and Hamas's kidnapping and murdering of Israeli civilians.

Tom_Joad posted...

We'll see. The next time Israel hits a site used by Hamas to attack civilians (Israeli), you will... over course... condemn Hamas for their attack. Right?

Say to everyone that what Hamas did was wrong and that they must stop doing to immediately, right?

Or will you say nothing except that Israel "committed genocide" for attacking a site used by Hamas to attack civilians?

Think about it. What do you think you would do?

Tell you to shut the fuck up tbh