Current Events > Whose missile hit the hospital in Gaza?

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Dark_Arbron posted...

Calling out Israel's terrible human rights record is not mutually exclusive with calling out Hamas.

See post #72.

Tom_Joad posted...

See post #72.

No one's telling them to stop? Like how no one told Hitler to stop? The Palestinian people are terrified of Hamas. There's a reason there's been no election in over 15 years and almost half their population weren't even born at the time. Hamas does not have the support you think it does. It would be nice if they could rise up and overthrow Hamas, especially if Israel helped them do it... but we know that isn't going to happen.

WoodenRook posted...

You provided a Tweet with Top Gun levels of propaganda music that didn't address 90% of what was said by Israel. Your evidence was, frankly, bullshit.

Not to mention it's Qatari state owned propaganda. Al Jazeera can be trusted on some things but fairly reporting anything to do with Israel is not one of those things.

Tom_Joad posted...

Guess that's a "no" from you.

Criticism of Israel is not support for Hamas.

I'm sure you know that.

I wish a "Judgement of Solomon" happens that renders Israeli/Palestine land completely infertile, completely devoid of plant life and fresh water.

mazingetter posted...

I wish a "Judgement of Solomon" happens that renders Israeli/Palestine land completely infertile, completely devoid of plant life and fresh water.

Just kill everybody is a way to handle the situation I guess.

Rai_Jin posted...

that seems a video directly from al jazeera though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcNMPlj1iAA

Set to private lol

Is the defense for IDF. Building is still standing so it wasn't Israel?

No, it's the sheer amount of eyewitness accounts, video evidence, and radar evidence.

All from multiple entities.

Pogo_Marimo posted...

Set to private lol

amazing.

streamofthesky posted...

The topic filled up to 500 so damn fast w/ people falling all over to themselves to blame Israel.
No interest in letting the truth be found out, they got the answer they wanted and pushed it HARD.

Any time it's about something Hamas did, like the beheaded babies, they decry "propaganda" and "not jumping to conclusions".
But when it's Israel supposedly doing wrong, leap away!

IDF's word means nothing. Biden's word means nothing.
But if Hamas claims something, it's taken at face value. Hamas wouldn't lie! Except for all the times they blatantly lied.

Pretty much. And a lot of them are leftists that fail to see the irony that they are just like MAGA, calling all reputable sources fake news when it doesn't fit your world view and chasing an agenda.

I wish western media wasn't so censored. There's proof to so much that hamas is doing, it's all over pro-Hamas telegram channels. They praise the deaths of any Jew and the more gruesome and heinous the murder is, the more praise it gets.

I don't understand why people keep saying the hospital when it has always been the parking lot.

I think it was who Israel said since they have video and Intel on them saying who it was. The video in particular of them firing in Gaza and a stray veering off course and hitting the parking lot seems to trump any argument from the other side in particular.

Starks posted...

I'm really not appreciating the bad faith posters in this topic.

"Israel did X previously"

"This influencer that I will misrepresent as an IDF spokesman said Israel did it"

I'm waiting for you guys to show physical evidence. Oh wait, you have none.

Meanwhile, in reality, there's clear radar and video evidence showing a rocket that originates in Gaza, fails mid flight, and then falls onto a hospital.

It's because they're righteous.
All they need to be "right" is conviction.

Pogo_Marimo posted...

Set to private lol

They have to figure a new spin out. And maybe remove the Top Gun music.

Incorrect. Israel has a history of spreading misinformation.

Remember the story about Hamas terrorists supposedly decapitating 40 babies and just left them on the ground? I know some of you forgot but other people remember. That is just one example of many.

Some of you ate it up and helped spread that around. After it was proven fake you no longer mention it or ignore that it happened, don't even acknowledge you were wrong.

People don't trust the news coming from Israel because they support Hamas or whatever bullshit story people cook up, it's because it's a fact Israel spreads misinformation. Much like other countries do, much like Hamas does.

The fact this has to be explained over and over again is honestly pathetic. If you want to believe everything you're told then that's fine.

Strider102 posted...

Remember the story about Hamas terrorists supposedly decapitating 40 babies

No, I don't recall that story. Where is it?

And we have video. I don't know about 40 babies, but the video is pretty shocking without it.

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/10/what-we-know-about-three-widespread-israel-hamas-war-claims/

Hardly misinformation.

Dark_Arbron posted...

No one's telling them to stop? Like how no one told Hitler to stop? The Palestinian people are terrified of Hamas. There's a reason there's been no election in over 15 years and almost half their population weren't even born at the time. Hamas does not have the support you think it does. It would be nice if they could rise up and overthrow Hamas, especially if Israel helped them do it... but we know that isn't going to happen.

That's providing a lot of reasons why no one should tell HAMAS to stop. That's not condemnation.

Collat posted...

Criticism of Israel is not support for Hamas.

I'm sure you know that.

It's not condemnation of HAMAS, either.

Tom_Joad posted...

It's not condemnation of HAMAS, either.

so your saying unless we bend over backwards for isreal
, we are automatically terrorist sympathizers..
what in the flying fuck.

shill harder

Strider102 posted...

Incorrect. Israel has a history of spreading misinformation.

Remember the story about Hamas terrorists supposedly decapitating 40 babies and just left them on the ground? I know some of you forgot but other people remember. That is just one example of many.

Some of you ate it up and helped spread that around. After it was proven fake you no longer mention it or ignore that it happened, don't even acknowledge you were wrong.

People don't trust the news coming from Israel because they support Hamas or whatever bullshit story people cook up, it's because it's a fact Israel spreads misinformation. Much like other countries do, much like Hamas does.

The fact this has to be explained over and over again is honestly pathetic. If you want to believe everything you're told then that's fine.

The IDF was saying they can't verify the claim, while the media was reporting that it happened.

ZaruenKosai posted...

so your saying unless we bend over backwards for isreal
, we are automatically terrorist sympathizers..
what in the flying fuck.

Like you said, but in reverse, criticism of HAMAS is not support for Israel.

ZaruenKosai posted...

so your saying unless we bend over backwards for isreal
, we are automatically terrorist sympathizers..
what in the flying fuck.

It's optics. If your first reaction to everything right after 9/11 is nothing but criticizing USA, what's that going to look like? That's what half the users here sound like as they repeat gaza propaganda. And when you question their integrity they'll act shocked and surprised.

Yo_D_oY posted...

It's optics. If your first reaction to everything right after 9/11 is nothing but criticizing USA, what's that going to look like? That's what half the users here sound like as they repeat gaza propaganda. And when you question their integrity they'll act shocked and surprised.

you base this off of one incorrect accusation when the other 99% of the attacks israel confirmed themselves to have happened.

Being innocent of one war crime does not free them of guilt from the rest.

The World Health Organization has documented 48 attacks on health care in the Gaza Strip since October 7, when Israel began bombarding the region in response to a terrorist attack by Hamas.

At least 24 hospitals were damaged during the bombings, and three facilities in northern Gaza had to be evacuated, per the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs.

They have and will continue to bomb hospitals and health care facilities/emergency shelters.

Netanyu/IDf has lied and will continue to lie, regardless of whether or not that one hosital was actually talked does not stop the other atrocities that have indeed happened.. it does not stop reality, which is that israel has treated the people of palestine like shit for years.

Funny thing is, were falling all over ourselves regarding whose missile it was, when in reality it doesnt matter. The dead are still dead.

200 Israelis are still hostages in Gaza and over a thousand are dead. Thousands more Palestinians are dead in the reprisals. Were no closer to a peace agreement, and both sides simply have more of a reason to hate each other.

I mean you have Israeli settlers behaving like terrorists in the West Bank now. You have pro palestinian groups scaring the hell out of jewish organizations in America.

And were arguing about one rocket. For fucks sake, both sides have blood on their hands.

ZaruenKosai posted...

Your new title is nonsense maker..

Sorry, I confused you with @Collat.

GeraldDarko posted...

The IDF was saying they can't verify the claim, while the media was reporting that it happened.

Media reported it because a spokesperson for the Israeli Prime Minister claimed it.
https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-10-11-23/h_a63b0fd57f2df717147ea8e26a2f758c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME0X1s9OlBw

I'm more on the fence than I was after this report from my favorite source.

They lay it out better than anyone has in this topic.

However, it should be very easy just to release the Warhead which is well within the realm of possibility for Palestine/Hamas.

Yo_D_oY posted...

It's optics. If your first reaction to everything right after 9/11 is nothing but criticizing USA, what's that going to look like? That's what half the users here sound like as they repeat gaza propaganda. And when you question their integrity they'll act shocked and surprised.

Yet world wide protests happened in the wake of America's response and it turned out they were right.

Yo_D_oY posted...

Pretty much. And a lot of them are leftists that fail to see the irony that they are just like MAGA, calling all reputable sources fake news when it doesn't fit your world view and chasing an agenda.

It's not reputable if it's coming from Israel.

It's like saying you should trust Russia to report on the Ukraine war.

Funkydog posted...

Yet world wide protests happened in the wake of America's response and it turned out they were right.

If you are including Iraq in that, sure. But we had every right to go into the middle east as a response. USA wasn't as effective as they should have been but that's a whole other topic.

Collat posted...

It's not reputable if it's coming from Israel.

It's like saying you should trust Russia to report on the Ukraine war.

In your opinion, what is a reputable source of news on this conflict?

Yo_D_oY posted...

If you are including Iraq in that, sure. But we had every right to go into the middle east as a response. USA wasn't as effective as they should have been but that's a whole other topic.

In your opinion, what is a reputable source of news on this conflict?

news media wise, none really... with america backing israel, you wont find any western media say anything bad about Israel in this conflict.
and even most of europe backs israel fully, and obviously even most middle east media is going to be iffy at best.. for obvious reasons.. (even the very few reputable outlets will come heavy under scruitiny because they are fbased in the middle east.)

, the reportable source is documented reports of UN and 3rd parties like medical aid workers.
and of course that is going to very limited and restricted.

with the major ground assault imminent , the worse is yet to come.

Yo_D_oY posted...

If you are including Iraq in that, sure. But we had every right to go into the middle east as a response. USA wasn't as effective as they should have been but that's a whole other topic.

So we can criticise America's response but not Israel's?

Tom_Joad posted...

It's not condemnation of HAMAS, either.

It really should go without saying that I condemn terrorism, but some of you pro IDF weirdos are condoning them killing civilians, including children, to get to Hamas in this very thread.

I guess you are just wired differently.

Yo_D_oY posted...

In your opinion, what is a reputable source of news on this conflict?

Not the country blatantly pushing propaganda to justify genocide.

Collat posted...

It really should go without saying that I condemn terrorism, but some of you pro IDF weirdos are condoning them killing civilians, including children, to get to Hamas in this very thread.

I guess you are just wired differently.

I don't condone killing civilians or children to get to Hamas. Hamas just makes it impossible. That's their fault. Not IDF.

WoodenRook posted...

I don't condone killing civilians or children to get to Hamas. Hamas just makes it impossible. That's their fault. Not IDF.

If they had never come to the village, never started fighting there, then I wouldn't have tried to pilot that Gear. It's all their fault! Not mine! They're the ones to blame! If they'd never come, none of this would have if not for them! Them! Them! Them! [he punctuates each "them" by hitting a tree

That's what you sound like. Laying blame on the enemy to excuse Netanyu/IDFs own atrocities.

ZaruenKosai posted...

If they had never come to the village, never started fighting there, then I wouldn't have tried to pilot that Gear. It's all their fault! Not mine! They're the ones to blame! If they'd never come, none of this would have if not for them! Them! Them! Them! [he punctuates each "them" by hitting a tree

That's what you sound like. Laying blame on the enemy to excuse Israels own atrocities.

I don't sound like anything other than what I said myself.

WoodenRook posted...

I don't sound like anything other than what I said myself.

You can't get through with these people.

ZaruenKosai posted...

If they had never come to the village, never started fighting there, then I wouldn't have tried to pilot that Gear. It's all their fault! Not mine! They're the ones to blame! If they'd never come, none of this would have if not for them! Them! Them! Them! [he punctuates each "them" by hitting a tree

That's what you sound like. Laying blame on the enemy to excuse Netanyu/IDFs own atrocities.

What is the solution to cowards setting up shop in a hospital and shooting rockets at you? Honest question. Retaliation with rockets is bad, obviously. Would you prefer a door to door, boots on the ground approach?

gmanthebest posted...

What is the solution to cowards setting up shop in a hospital and shooting rockets at you? Honest question. Retaliation with rockets is bad, obviously. Would you prefer a door to door, boots on the ground approach?

not genocide. anything but genocide..

Terrorists are created because a population is treated like shit and converts to terrorism out of fear and hatred which is built up from the repeated horrible treatment of the Population. The resolution which Israel will never accept, is to see Palestinians as equal human beings.. a two state solution.... without resolving the root of the problem, of course it will only lead to more terrorism. You cant answer bloodshed with 10x more bloodshed and not expect further bloodshed.

all Israel has done so far is unproportional responses of force that they unleashed on the people of palestine which had nothing to do with Hamas. they only succeeded at fulfilling the bloodlust of their military and President. they have done nothing to try and seek a peaceful solution with the people of Palestine and they never will because they do not want pece with them, Israel only wants them eradicated. they have commited war crimes and atrocities beyond count or measure. there is a reason people draw so many parallels between israel and russia. from the war crimes to their constant lying.

by israel i mean netanyu and the idf and extrremists.

WoodenRook posted...

I don't condone killing civilians or children to get to Hamas. Hamas just makes it impossible. That's their fault. Not IDF.

It's not impossible. You just don't care.

ZaruenKosai posted...

not genocide. anything but genocide..

Terrorists are created because a population is treated like shit and converts to terrorism out of fear and hatred which is built up from the repeated horrible treatment of the Population. The resolution which Israel will never accept, is to see Palestinians as equal human beings.. a two state solution.... without resolving the root of the problem, of course it will only lead to more terrorism. You cant answer bloodshed with 10x more bloodshed and not expect further bloodshed.

all Israel has done so far is unproportional responses of force that they unleashed on the people of palestine which had nothing to do with Hamas. they only succeeded at fulfilling the bloodlust of their military and President. they have done nothing to try and seek a peaceful solution with the people of Palestine and they never will because they do not want pece with them, Israel only wants them eradicated. they have commited war crimes and atrocities beyond count or measure. there is a reason people draw so many parallels between israel and russia. from the war crimes to their constant lying.

by israel i mean netanyu and the idf and extrremists.

I'm glad you said what not to do. Now, can you answer what you are supposed to do when cowards set up shop in a civilian location to shoot rockets at you?

Collat posted...

It really should go without saying that I condemn terrorism, but some of you pro IDF weirdos are condoning them killing civilians, including children, to get to Hamas in this very thread.

I guess you are just wired differently.

Not the country blatantly pushing propaganda to justify genocide.

What you view as "condoning" is simply assigning responsibility.

By law, if a military force launches attacks from the middle of a civilian area, they are committing a war crime. It also allows the opposing side to target that location, as it is now an active military combat location/facility.

I know you think that's wrong, but that's the rules of war.

And you can't label a retaliatory strike to that location a war crime.

Tom_Joad posted...

What you view as "condoning" is simply assigning responsibility.

By law, if a military force launches attacks from the middle of a civilian area, they are committing a war crime. It also allows the opposing side to target that location, as it is now an active military combat facility.

I know you think that's wrong, but that's the rules of war.

And you can't label a retaliatory strike to that location a war crime.

Nope. That's condoning.

You support murdering children as long as some terrorists die too.

Collat posted...

Nope. That's condoning.

You support murdering children as long as some terrorists die too.

The international laws governing warfare is "condoning". Sure...

Tom_Joad posted...

The international laws governing warfare is "condoning". Sure...

International humanitarian law, also known as the law of armed conflict, is the body of wartime rules that protect people who are not or are no longer participating in hostilities. IHL also restricts the means and methods of war. Its central purpose is to limit and prevent human suffering in times of armed conflict. International humanitarian law regulates the treatment of the wounded and prohibits attacks against civilians and the use of certain weapons. It also ensures the protection of non-combatants; Red Cross/Red Crescent and medical personnel; and prisoners of war.

Either way, you support killing children. Guess you accept that now.

gmanthebest posted...

I'm glad you said what not to do. Now, can you answer what you are supposed to do when cowards set up shop in a civilian location to shoot rockets at you?

They'll never answer that - at least not truthfully - because their honest answer would be "just fucking die, I guess".

Collat posted...

It's not impossible. You just don't care.

Oh do tell. Some random dude on a keyboard is going to provide a brilliant military strategy to take on a terrorist organization living right next door, hiding behind civilians and using them as human shields while firing rockets on you in the most densely populated region on the planet.

Go ahead, tell us your master plan. And dont tell us what you shouldnt do. Weve already heard that to the point where we are sick to death of it.

I get that you want the shooting to stop, I do as well. I want the Israeli settlers to who killed those people in the West Bank arrested for murder and hate crimes. I want that piece of garbage 71 year old who stabbed the 6 year old kid in Illinois to never see the light of day again. I want the leaders of Hamas brought before the Hague. And I want Israel to be in a situation where high school students do not have to go through the last four years of their childhood knowing they have to go to the army.

But damn it, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama couldnt get it done. You have a sitting US President who supports Israels right to defend itself - knowing exactly what that means for the Palestinians. And YOU know how Israel is supposed to handle Hamas?

Im all ears.

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

Go ahead, tell us your master plan. And dont tell us what you shouldnt do. Weve already heard that to the point where we are sick to death of it.

Not my job. Not going to give out some COD strategy like it's a real thing.

I haven't killed and children though, so I guess I got that going for me.

And you aren't sick enough of hearing "don't kill civilians" it should be beaten over your head until it sinks in.

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

But damn it, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama couldnt get it done. You have a sitting US President who supports Israels right to defend itself - knowing exactly what that means for the Palestinians. And YOU know how Israel is supposed to handle Hamas?

The US foreign policy and military actions are perfect examples of what not to do. And the fact that Israel is following the US playbook is a bad thing.

1) Create a terrorist organization and empower them
2) Kill innocent civilians and children in the area empowering and galvanizing the terrorists
3) ???
4) Profit (unironically, they really do profit)

Collat posted...

Not my job. Not going to give out some COD strategy like it's a real thing.

I haven't killed and children though, so I guess I got that going for me.

And you aren't sick enough of hearing "don't kill civilians" it should be beaten over your head until it sinks in.

Its crazy. Theyre implying that Israel has to kill kids to stop Hamas, but it doesnt stop Hamas, it just empowers them and creates more terrorists. If they stopped killing kids its not like Hamas would stop overnight, but there would be fewer dead kids (thats the point) and fewer people wanting to join Hamas as revenge for dead family and friends.