Current Events > Whose missile hit the hospital in Gaza?

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Skankhair posted...

In my opinion murdering innocent kids is not defense.

You are making a fallacious and ridiculous comparison. I expect nothing better from you.

Can Ukraine return fire at Russian missile sites? Yes. Can they murder Russian kids? No. You always make me face palm

So return fire is okay for Ukraine, but not Israel.

What's the difference? Both would be targeting the launch site of an attack. And we know that it's perfidy to conduct military operations under the cover of civilian status, which is a war crime.

Meaning the location loses it's protected status.

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ICRC Report, Conference of Government Experts on the Reaffirmation and Development of International Humanitarian Law Applicable in Armed Conflicts, Geneva 24 May -12 June 1971, Rules Relative to Behavior of Combatants (1971); Greenspan 61;

Schwarzenberger, International Courts, The Law of Armed Conflict 110 & 114 (1968). See also
paragraph 12.2, note 6 (p. 510).

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

Hilarious fallacies.

What Israel should do is stop killing kids, taking land and homes, and creating more terrorists.

They shouldnt have helped create Hamas, and they should stop making Hamas stronger.

Killing kids doesnt stop Hamas. It feeds them.

Skankhair posted...

What Israel should do is stop killing kids, taking land and homes, and creating more terrorists.

They shouldnt have helped create Hamas, and they should stop making Hamas stronger.

Killing kids doesnt stop Hamas. It feeds them.

Hamas should surrender. And everyone should be calling for them to unconditionally surrender.

Skankhair posted...

Duh. And?

That doesnt mean murdering kids is the answer. That just leads to more terrorism, and even more rocket strikes.

You always have the worst takes.

That wasn't even a take, that was just an article explaining how hamas is capable of blowing up Israel despite their iron dome. Don't get so worked up man.

Why is there a poll, which is an opinion, on something that will/has a factual answer?

Or are you trying to set a bell weather to see which side of the spectrum posters fall on?

And where is Clay to blindly attack Israel more?

Tom_Joad posted...

So return fire is okay for Ukraine, but not Israel.

No, stop playing dumb. Return fire is okay if it doesnt kill kids.

What's the difference? Both would be targeting the launch site of an attack.

The difference is one leads to killing innocent kids and the other doesnt. Dude, youre trolling at this point, right? I mean holy shit I know that playing dumb is your thing but what the fuck?

Yo_D_oY posted...

That wasn't even a take, that was just an article explaining how hamas is capable of blowing up Israel despite their iron dome. Don't get so worked up man.

Its literally his take

Tom_Joad posted...

Hamas should surrender. And everyone should be calling for them to unconditionally surrender.

Yep. And Bibi should be in jail for corruption and war crimes and everyone should be calling for him to step down. Israel probably shouldnt have helped Hamas attain power and they definitely should stop killing innocent kids.

Skankhair posted...

No, stop playing dumb. Return fire is okay if it doesnt kill kids.

The difference is one leads to killing innocent kids and the other doesnt. Dude, youre trolling at this point, right? I mean holy shit I know that playing dumb is your thing but what the fuck?

No. I'm trying to get you to realize that civilians are a protected group. But international laws of war does not make that protection unrestricted.

Their protection ends when military attacks are carried out from civilian areas or under civilian guise.

Meaning it's accepted by all treaty signatories (most countries in the world) to return fire on such locations.

Your take is highly unusual. And it seems to be focused only on Israel.

Tom_Joad posted...

No. I'm trying to get you to realize that civilians are a protected group. But international laws of war does not make that protection unrestricted.

So youre telling me what I already know, like always.

Their protection ends when military attacks are carried out from civilian areas or under civilian guise.

And Im saying thats not okay and just causes more terrorism. It feds the problem instead of solving it.

Meaning it's accepted by all treaty signatories (most countries in the world) to return fire on such locations.

Yes most countries are run by evil psychos. Duh.

Your take is highly unusual. And it seems to be focused only on Israel.

My take is dont kill kids. It is not highly unusual you are just delusional.

Skankhair posted...

Its literally his take

Saying the iron dome can only handle X missiles at a time because science and recent evidence of doing exactly that is not a hot take, it's a straight up fact. What are you even saying?

Yo_D_oY posted...

Saying the iron dome can only handle X missiles at a time because science and recent evidence of doing exactly that is not a hot take, it's a straight up fact. What are you even saying?

I know its a fact and didnt dispute it. You are confused.

Skankhair posted...

My take is dont kill kids. It is not highly unusual you are just delusional.

Tell that to the Geneva Conventions, the Hague Convention, and every single country that has signed onto them.

Because that's who you are saying is delusional.

Tom_Joad posted...

Tell that to the Geneva Conventions, the Hague Convention, and every single country that has signed onto them.

Because that's who you are saying is delusional.

Im definitely saying you are.

Skankhair posted...

I know its a fact and didnt dispute it. You are confused.

I think you thought I was the first guy you replied to. Nbd. I simply sent the article, that's all lol.

Yo_D_oY posted...

I think you thought I was the first guy you replied to. Nbd. I simply sent the article, that's all lol.

Maybe I did. Tom always does this thing where he posts an article that doesnt contradict anything I said a then acts like it destroys my point. He says things that are known by literally everyone and then acts like hes putting new information into the discussion. I know the Iron Dome cant always take out every rocket. That is not news to me. My point is to respond by killing children does not prevent rocket attacks, it multiplies them.

Its not that I thought you were him, its that the article was not new information or pertinent to the fact that killing kids in Palestine doesnt protect Israel, it creates more terrorism.

Skankhair posted...

Maybe I did. Tom always does this thing where he posts an article that doesnt contradict anything I said a then acts like it destroys my point. He says things that are known by literally everyone and then acts like hes putting new information into the discussion. I know the Iron Dome cant always take out every rocket. That is not news to me. My point is to respond by killing children does not prevent rocket attacks, it multiplies them.

Its not that I thought you were him, its that the article was not new information or pertinent to the fact that killing kids in Palestine doesnt protect Israel, it creates more terrorism.

So its a buzzword answer for you isnt it?

1. Hamas puts rocket launcher in several elementary schools and fires rockets towards Ashkelon.
2. Your solution - hope the Iron Dome intercepts them and just leave it alone?

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

So its a buzzword answer for you isnt it?

1. Hamas puts rocket launcher in several elementary schools and fires rockets towards Ashkelon.
2. Your solution - hope the Iron Dome intercepts them and just leave it alone?

My solution is dont murder kids and create more terrorists by doing exactly what Hamas wants. Its not complicated.

Skankhair posted...

My solution is dont murder kids and create more terrorists by doing exactly what Hamas wants. Its not complicated.

Thats not a solution. You havent said youre going to DO anything. See solutions involving dos, not donts.

Im asking what Israel SHOULD do, not what they SHOULD NOT do. Its not complicated..well it is if you dont have an answer.

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

Thats not a solution. You havent said youre going to DO anything. See solutions involving dos, not donts.

Killing kids isnt a solution. Its what Hamas wants. It makes them stronger. Israel should stop making Hamas stronger.

Im asking what Israel SHOULD do, not what they SHOULD NOT do. Its not complicated..well it is if you dont have an answer.

They should stop killing kids and creating future terrorists.

Skankhair posted...

Killing kids isnt a solution. Its what Hamas wants. It makes them stronger. Israel should stop making Hamas stronger.

They should stop killing kids and creating future terrorists.

But what should Israel DO to stop their kids from being killed from being killed by chicken shit cowards who set up in schoolhouses and hospitals? Is it boots on the ground invasion? Or is it just accept that they should do nothing until Hamas achieves their goal of a successful Holocaust?

WoodenRook posted...

They did that already.

These attacks and wars are what have continued to strip away their rights and equality. It's the same terrorists using them as shields.

An apartheid state is hardly treating people as equals or even just human beings.

And your entire second paragraph is, "Look what you made me do," excusing any and all atrocities committed by Israel.

Not a good look. But I've had you tagged as someone who blames victims for a while.

Going to go catch up on the rest of this dumpster fire of a topic now...

Tom_Joad posted...

By law, if a military force launches attacks from the middle of a civilian area, they are committing a war crime. It also allows the opposing side to target that location, as it is now an active military combat location/facility.

I know it's probably splitting a lot of unnecessary hairs at this point, but Palestine isn't a nation. They're not allowed to be. As they're not a nation, they cannot have a standing military in that manner.

Hamas terrorists are terrorists.

There are different rules of engagement for that, aren't there?

How can anyone justify bombing a hospital (or any civilian building) when they need a definition of a military force launching attacks, and there isn't a military launching attacks?

I know Americs worked hard to ignore or change what "enemy combatants" were in order to comport with our own ROE. And while we had air and drone strikes that hit civilian targets, all the ones I remember were at least publicly admitted to as mistakes or bad Intel or some other excuse. (Publicly, anyway.) Did we ever get away with openly targeting and razing civilian buildings like schools or hospitals in Afghanistan or Iraq on the justification that ISIS was allegedly in there?

It always felt like a very bad take to call Hamas terrorists on one hand, and then call them a legitimate, sovereign nation's military on the other depending on what you want to bomb that day. How does Israel justify having it both ways at once?

Or have missed something where they somehow are both at once?

Hamas? Who in the world would think otherwise.

gmanthebest posted...

But what should Israel DO to stop their kids from being killed from being killed by chicken shit cowards who set up in schoolhouses and hospitals?

Theyre already doing a lot to defend themselves. Israel is very well defended. Killing innocent kids just undermines that and creates more terrorists.

gmanthebest posted...

But what should Israel DO to stop their kids from being killed from being killed by chicken shit cowards who set up in schoolhouses and hospitals? Is it boots on the ground invasion? Or is it just accept that they should do nothing until Hamas achieves their goal of a successful Holocaust?

Hes got nothing. Nothing but the buzzword. You can clearly see just how familiar he is with this conflict. In his mind, Israel created Hamas and they are responsible for what Hamas does, and as a result they are not allowed to respond when attacked because Hamas uses human shields. One of those reap what you sow deals without acknowledging the exact same logic could apply to the Arabs as well.

so... apparently it was neither Israel or Hamas but rather an unaffiliated independent Jihadist terrorist group is what I'm hearing now.

And the pyrotechnics from the explosion happened because the fuel in the rocket burnt up when it failed to launch properly

Skankhair posted...

Theyre already doing a lot to defend themselves. Israel is very well defended. Killing innocent kids just undermines that and creates more terrorists.

gmanthebest posted...

But what should Israel DO to stop their kids from being killed from being killed by chicken shit cowards who set up in schoolhouses and hospitals? Is it boots on the ground invasion? Or is it just accept that they should do nothing until Hamas achieves their goal of a successful Holocaust?

I can repeat my question just as many times as you try to avoid it.

Tyranthraxus posted...

so... apparently it was neither Israel or Hamas but rather an unaffiliated independent Jihadist terrorist group is what I'm hearing now.

And the pyrotechnics from the explosion happened because the fuel in the rocket burnt up when it failed to launch properly

It has been said multiple times, but people only want to argue which side that is worse.

gmanthebest posted...

But what should Israel DO to stop their kids from being killed from being killed by chicken shit cowards who set up in schoolhouses and hospitals?

Stop killing them.

Tom_Joad posted...

Tell that to the Geneva Conventions, the Hague Convention, and every single country that has signed onto them.

Ah yes. Both famously approve of killing unarmed civilians. Especially children.

Skankhair posted...

Theyre already doing a lot to defend themselves. Israel is very well defended.

I mean, were you in a medical induced coma on October 7th?

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

I mean, were you in a medical induced coma on October 7th?

Normally they are well defended.
Normally they dont ignore warnings from both Egypt and NA.
Normally they dont ignore when Hamas do their yearly house attack training earlier and post it online.

Collat posted...

Stop killing them.

Ah yes. Both famously approve of killing unarmed civilians. Especially children.

Tell us again about all the war crimes tribunals/cases that have been held (or filed) against countries who have fought against those that launch attacks from civilian areas, or under civilian guise?

Collat posted...

Stop killing them.

So they should just let Hamas just shoot rockets at civilians until all the Jews are dead?

Foppe posted...

Normally they are well defended.
Normally they dont ignore warnings from both Egypt and NA.
Normally they dont ignore when Hamas do their yearly house attack training earlier and post it online.

That doesnt matter. Normally on any given day they have to worry about assholes in Gaza taking pot shots at them. I dont care how strong your army is. Letting a terrorist organization exist on your border means that no matter much you prepare, you run the risk of the kind of carnage we saw two weeks ago.

Thats not well defended.

gmanthebest posted...

So they should just let Hamas just shoot rockets at civilians until all the Jews are dead?

You should get those brainworms checked out.

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

That doesnt matter. Normally on any given day they have to worry about assholes in Gaza taking pot shots at them. I dont care how strong your army is. Letting a terrorist organization exist on your border means that no matter much you prepare, you run the risk of the kind of carnage we saw two weeks ago.

Thats not well defended.

If you dont let your sponsored terrorist organization exist on your border, then you would have to solve your economical and social problems instead of pointing finger.

Foppe posted...

If you dont let your sponsored terrorist organization exist on your border, then you would have to solve your economical and social problems instead of pointing finger.

Oh I get it. Hamas exists and murders Israelis because the Israelis havent gone far enough to end them. Is THAT what you are saying?

Because theres an easy solution for that. But its way too messy, and for once the accusations of attempted genocide would actually be justified. Israel would lose all foreign support including American Jews like yours truly would arent down with carpet bombing Gaza. What they are doing now is hard enough to swallow.

Terrorist organizations dont exist they are allowed to. They exist because the price of ending them is way too damn high.

If you need any proof of that, see the Taliban. The US could have ended them too, but it turns out its really hard to do so unless youre willing to turn Kabul into a parking lot. Look at what had to be done to end ISIS. A global coalition and 8,000 airstrikesand Syria isnt nearly as densely populated as Gaza.

Now it would be great if the Arab world was willing to hand over the leaders of Hamas in leg irons, no fuss. But seeing as that isnt going to happen, how exactly should Israel have already eliminated Hamas?

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

Oh I get it. Hamas exists and murders Israelis because the Israelis havent gone far enough to end them. Is THAT what you are saying?

Damn, you must have an agenda or something.

Foppe posted...

Damn, you must have an agenda or something.

If standing up to anti Israel bias here is an agenda, then yes I have an agenda.

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

If standing up to anti Israel bias here is an agenda, then yes I have an agenda.

If calling out any wrongdoing of IDF/Netanyu is anti-israel, than yes , You have an Agenda.

If we are not allowed to be angry with Israel because they are in the process of slaughtering a population. Yes, You have an agenda.

So if your plan now is to claim maybe we the ones with an agenda of supporting Hamas or some other shit, don't even bother.

Associating people that defend the innocent Palestinians with Hamas terrorists is one of the most common tactic in the IDF Shilling Playbook.

Tom_Joad posted...

So return fire is okay for Ukraine, but not Israel.

Ukraine does not target civilians or children.

Tom Joad : But hamas!

The other most common tactic in the IDF Shilling playbook..

Everything Israel does is simply excusable with two simple words , BUT HAMAS.

Hamas is like a wizard.. if israel cant explain why they kep bombing churches and hospitals, or murdering children , just say it was because of Hamas!

Hamas has become the boogeyman to conveniently excuse any and all of israels war crims at this point.

gmanthebest posted...

But what should Israel DO to stop their kids from being killed from being killed by chicken shit cowards who set up in schoolhouses and hospitals? Is it boots on the ground invasion? Or is it just accept that they should do nothing until Hamas achieves their goal of a successful Holocaust?

Removing hamas is important, no doubt about that, but more terrorists will rise if Israel continues to see Palestine and Palestinians as nothing more than animals in their way,

The only way Israel knows to do this of course is a massacre via a major ground assault invasion.

Which will undoubtedly be very bloody.. Palestine was given warning in advance to evacuate but those living in Gaza have no money , barely any food and water, and none of the nieghboring countries are iwlling to take them in..

They have no where to go...

. so yes chances are they will end up fighting back when Israel goes through with the major ground assault, you can't really just expect them to roll over and die which Israel will most definitely slaughter them all if they dont fight back. Of course people will than accuse them of being hamas supporters because they didnt want to roll over and die for Israel.

Palestines must be given proper human rights to live proper lives if there is ever to be any real attempt of reversing the plight of Terrorism forced upon them.
It is because of Israel that Palestinians are forced to live in a war zone their whole life and therefore know nothing but fear and hatred for Israel because of that.. Israel must stop treating them the way that they do.

online military experts will forever make me laugh

https://www.natesilver.net/p/its-easy-to-screw-up-on-breaking

https://twitter.com/olilondontv/status/1715414447865410044

https://twitter.com/ForensicArchi/status/1715422493274427414

https://twitter.com/earshot_ngo/status/1715381907230232929

And also about the audio recording:
https://twitter.com/alextomo/status/1715426524826923353

Oh boy I hope we get another 200 posts of people talking past each other.

That would explain why it was in stereo.

Honestly though, the less you touch audio, the better.

Yo_D_oY posted...

https://twitter.com/olilondontv/status/1715414447865410044

Well damn, Hamas militants pretending to be civilians.

Kinda adds some context to the complexity of this particular situation, doesnt it?

People here wanted a ground invasion, guess theyre going to get it.

Yo_D_oY posted...

https://twitter.com/olilondontv/status/1715414447865410044

Damn, managed to encapsulate the entire Hamas playbook in one 24 second video.
All that was missing was them killing their own people then posting the images to social media to blame Israel for it.

I don't like going on twitter, but I'm kinda tempted to search #AlAsqaFlood to see how many who were celebrating the Oct. 7th terrorist attack are now in victim-mode, crying about "Israeli aggression".