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Satellite images showing parts of the destruction in Gaza.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/25/middleeast/satellite-images-gaza-destruction/index.html

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMiddleEast/comments/17hjlzo/israel_destroyed_the_monument_to_the_memory_of_al/

Hamas rejects Israeli accusation of hospitals as operation centres

https://aje.io/i5z284?update=2441785

Looks like Israel wants to bomb Gaza's main hospital. They still didn't satiate their appetite for bombing hospitals from last time.

You can always know what they want to do by what they say. "Human shields" = we want to kill women/children. "Hamas base hospital" = we want more people to die without medical support, including the people in these hospitals.

But remember, it's definitely NOT a genocide. /s

There's a better link to the above story:

Israel accuses Hamas of using hospitals as operation centres

https://aje.io/i5z284?update=2441706

This is the one I meant to post. It's basically israel telling us why they're going to bomb hospitals some more.

Also Hamas has stated that, thanks to Israeli bombing, 55 hostages have been killed. That's almost 25% of the total hostages that were taken.

I don't understand how the israeli public is silent about this. I know there were protests, but clearly they've done nothing and were not relevant enough. I think it was stated best here:

Even as Palestinians know that the liberation of their land is still a distant dream, the liberation of their prisoners through a prisoner swap is the most precious victory for which they can strive. However, Israel, as it has proved many times in the past and as recent events may indicate, may be ready to put the lives of its soldiers and citizens at risk rather than witness the joy of freedom celebrated on both sides of the border.

https://shorturl.at/hkwGR

Following. Thanks for remaking.

why did the original one get closed?

punkfanalways posted...

why did the original one get closed?

Because a 9-page debate happened while I was asleep. Rule for my live threads is that it's for live updates only, with minimal debating, so news isn't pushed back. For people who want to debate, they can make their own threads. We had done pretty well for 20 days

Israeli academic Calling Palestinians animals is an insult to animals

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMiddleEast/comments/17hppka/israeli_academic_calling_palestinians_animals_is/

Arabic israeli content is always on another level, given the intended audience. Posted in wrong topic earlier.

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By me

Syrian-Iranian attacks leave US soldiers with with traumatic brain injury https://taskandpurpose.com/news/us-troops-tbi-iraq-syria/

US strikes Syrian-Iranian sites in retaliation https://apnews.com/article/syria-airstrikes-iran-revolutionary-guard-af3c7a0f069b8c8b08f6feaa0e165d6a

By FlyEaglesFly

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2023/middleeast/hamas-attack-body-cam-videos-invs-dg/

This is what Israel is fighting right now

By Teddytalks

They don't need an excuse. They admit to it openly (To killing Al Jazeera chief's family on purpose). 22s in

https://twitter.com/nazihfares/status/1717516045538218477?s=20

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMiddleEast/comments/17hm5gd/harvard_doxxing_truck_parks_outside_homes_of/

You Americans are a trip, wow.

People in Gaza totally disconnected from each other, outside world

https://aje.io/i5z284?update=2441985

Genocide without any evidence allowed out. They already intend to bomb the main hospital in Gaza. This is a holocaust about to happen under US supervision.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAFNhh8kKiU

Gaza residents say tonight's airstrikes are the most intense they have seen
Multiple residents of Gaza tell CNN the airstrikes Friday night were the most intense they have experienced since the beginning of hostilities nearly three weeks ago.
Jawwal, the Palestinian telecom company that provides mobile service to the Gaza Strip released a statement Friday night, saying "the intense bombardment in the past hour has resulted in the destruction of all remaining international routes connecting Gaza with the outside world" leading to a "complete interruption of telecommunications services."

Extensive airstrikes on Gaza Strip
From CNN staff
A large series of explosions rocked Gaza City Friday night, according to CNN's Nic Robertson who is reporting live near the Israel and Gaza border.
Robertson reports hearing outgoing tank fire as well as "unusual, intense and sustained" military activity for the past couple of hours.
"There have been huge rounds of outgoing tank fire from where we are," he said reporting from Sderot. "Round after round of artillery fire going into Gaza as well. Multiple impacts reported in Gaza and Gaza City."
Robertson said that about an hour ago, the CNN team saw a "huge wall of smoke literally blow in off of Gaza." He reported that it smelled like the kind of cover smoke that could be used for military operations.
Israeli television has been showing live images of outgoing rocket fire from the Gaza Strip.
The Israel Defense Forces has not commented on the uptick in military activity or whether there has been a scaling up of their operations targeting Hamas.

https://x.com/yalawiya/status/1717940309408035299?s=20

This is after the IDF called for all Palestinians to head south on 10/12 and looks to have kept its promise to increase bombing even more that has already.

This genocide here today, and how the entire world is cheering for it, is the most shameful thing we will witness in our lifetimes. And those supporting it, you will be reviled for all of history just as the nazis were.

Ground operations expanding in Gaza, Israel Defense Forces announce
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) announced Friday that they are "expanding ground operations" in the Gaza Strip, according IDF spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari.
The announcement comes as CNN reports a large series of explosions rocked Gaza City on Friday night.

More than small raids seem to be happening now

They will kill any civilians they can, taking heavy casualties when they actually come across Hamas fighters.

RIP Hostages too. It's literally the stupidest, most evil thing you can witness. And genocide joe giving it the greenlight, when did the world get so rotten to the core.

Metroid_Food posted...

They will kill any civilians they can, taking heavy casualties when they actually come across Hamas fighters.

RIP Hostages too. It's literally the stupidest, most evil thing you can witness. And genocide joe giving it the greenlight, when did the world get so rotten to the core.

I believe it always was, but it got extra rotten with neat layers of rot when nukes came into play.

(More info on U.S. airstrikes, and the increased airstrikes by Israel)
https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/u-s-strikes-syrian-militias-as-israel-makes-fresh-incursion-into-gaza-6ac97a1f

Israel said it is working closely with Washington as it makes its final preparations for a ground offensive in Gaza, sending a second heavily-armed patrol into the enclave to eliminate Hamas ground positions while the U.S. hit two militia bases in Syria in what it said was an effort to deter Iran and its proxies from widening the war.

Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant has spoken near-daily with Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin as Israel fine-tunes the details for its widely-anticipated ground assault against Hamas, saying Israeli military chief of staff Herzi Halevy is in constant contact with top U.S. commanders, who have shared with the Israelis their experience fighting insurgents in Fallujah and Mosul.

The overnight U.S. strikes, meanwhile, authorized by President Biden, were the first American response to what Austin said were a number of attacks against U.S. personnel and facilities in Iraq and Syria by Iranian-backed militias since Hamas launched its Oct. 7 attacks against Israel. The Pentagon said the bases hit were used by such militias and described the strikes as narrow, self-defense measures separate from its military support for Israel and instead were intended to ward off any further attacks on American assets. The overnight strikes were done without consultation with Israel, the Pentagon said.

U.S. officials say that the strikes, which took place Friday morning local time, were carefully tailored to signal to Iran that Washington holds it responsible for the militia attacks against U.S. troops in Iraq and Syria in recent daysand that the U.S. is prepared to do more.

The choice of targetsbuildings in Syria, not Iraqcontinues a pattern the Biden administration set in its first use of force, in Feb. 2021. Then, Biden ordered an airstrike in Syria to destroy a series of buildings that Iranian-backed militias used to house and transport weapons. That action came in response to a rocket attack against U.S. forces in Erbil, Iraq, earlier that month.

Defense officials declined late Thursday night to say why Iranian-backed militias in Iraq werent targeted as well.

Analysts say the Biden administration has stayed clear of striking targets in Iraq for fear of inflaming the political situation in the country, where the U.S. still has 2,500 troops to mentor Iraqi forces who are fighting Islamic State militants. In the last 11 days, President Biden, Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Austin have spoken with Iraqi Prime Minister Mohammed al-Sudani.

Since U.S. forces ended their combat mission in Iraq in 2021, the Biden administration has been hesitant to use kinetic force there in case we get evicted from the country, said Michael Knights of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, a think tank. There seems to be an implicit deal: If we dont target militias inside Iraq, they wont go attack our embassy.

Matthew Levitt, a counterterrorism expert and fellow at the same institute, said the Biden administration needed to carefully calibrate its response to avoid escalation.

Gallant, the Israeli defense minister, said Israels forces are close to completing a campaign of airstrikes to damage Hamass defenses before launching a ground assault aimed at ending the groups political and military control of the Gaza Strip.

The next phase, he told reporters Friday, would involve destroying hundreds of miles of fortified tunnels that Hamas has built over nearly two decades, warning it would be a dangerous and time-consuming component of Israels broader security objectives. The country is facing growing international criticism for blocking fuel supplies to Gaza, which are badly needed for the generators that keep hospitals, bakeries and other critical infrastructure operating, but which Israel says Hamas militants also use to ventilate their underground tunnel networks.

For air, they need fuel. For fuel, they need us, Gallant said.

He said many of Hamass tunnels originate in civilian zones, including areas around the strips hospitals, and that fuel provided for their generators would be diverted to pump air into the tunnel network, describing the hospitals and clinics as human camouflage.

Israel cut off all supplies of food, water, fuel and electricity to the Gaza Strip in response to Hamass Oct. 7 attacks, which killed over 1,400 people and led to over 220 others being abducted and held hostage in Gaza. It allowed the delivery of small amounts of humanitarian aid to Gaza starting last Saturday, but aid workers and hospital administrators have said the humanitarian situation is quickly deteriorating as the death toll from Israeli bombardments mount.

The Hamas-controlled Gaza Health Ministry on Thursday released a report including the names, identification numbers and ages of the thousands of people killed in Gaza. The report says 7,028 people, including 2,913 children, have been killed in the enclave since the war began.

The Israeli military Friday said the latest incursion saw its forces enter the central region of the Gaza Strip and strike Hamas targets before leaving. It also said soldiers from its marine commando unit targeted Hamas militants from the sea off the southern Gaza Strip overnight, hitting a compound used by Hamass commando naval forces. It said both Israeli Navy vessels and aircraft took part in the raid, and that the soldiers left the area after the activity.

Hamas said its militants thwarted an attempt by Israeli soldiers to land.

Israels full ground invasion, when it comes, Gallant said, would involve large numbers of troops backed by further airstrikes, and cautioned that it would take a long time. The third phase, he said, would involve lower-intensity combat to eliminate the last pockets of Hamas resistance, vowing that the war would be remembered not for the Oct. 7 attacks, but for Israels destruction of the militant group.

UN members are preparing to vote on a resolution calling for an immediate cessation of hostilities in the war between Israel and Hamas so that humanitarian aid can reach civilians in the battered enclave of Gaza. The vote is expected at 3 p.m. ET.

Key Arab states, including Egypt, endorsed the resolution. The United States, siding with Israel, sharply criticized the effort, calling the resolution deeply flawed.
Jordan brought the resolution to the General Assembly after successive attempts to call for ceasefires and humanitarian pauses failed in the more powerful Security Council. A general assembly vote is politically significant but not binding.

The draft resolution calls for an "immediate, durable and sustained humanitarian truce leading to a cessation of hostilities," as well as "immediate, full, sustained, safe and unhindered humanitarian access."
The resolution also calls for "the immediate and unconditional release of all civilians who are being illegally held captive" but does not name Hamas as the captor.
Israel's position: In debate Thursday, Israeli ambassador to the UN Gilad Erdan called the resolution completely devoid of any content related to the situation, saying calls for a ceasefire were not an attempt for peace, but an attempt to tie Israels hands, preventing us from eliminating a huge threat to our citizens.
Palestinian observer's position: Ambassador Riyad Mansour, head of the Palestinian Permanent Observer Mission to the United Nations, highlighted the climbing death toll among Palestinian civilians, asking the assembly, Is this the war some of you are defending?
There is no explicit criticism of Hamas in the General Assembly resolution currently under debate. Hamas, which controls Gaza, sparked the latest outbreak in violence after its October 7 terror attacks in Israel that left more than 1,400 dead.
These are omissions of evil and they give cover to and they empower Hamass brutality, Linda Thomas-Greenfield, the US ambassador to the UN, said Friday. No member state should allow that to happen.
Canada has offered a last-minute amendment which sharply denounces the militant group.
A majority of at least two-thirds of member countries present in the General Assembly Hall would need to vote yes for the resolution to pass.

[BIG DUMP]

• 7,326 Palestinians dead in Gaza. 18,967 injured (ABC). AP says 7,300+ https://abcnews.go.com/International/live-updates/israel-gaza-live-updates-americans-egypt/what-we-know-about-the-conflict-104234888?id=104406289 and https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-10-27-2023-af48f964636c8a2836e02e78ff01ec4c
• 110 Palestinians dead in West Bank due to violence with Israeli settlers. (All sources)
• "The Israeli military says its ground forces will expand their activities in Gaza Friday night". Looks like it's picking up for real now. IDF isn't looking to wait anymore. (ABC) https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/live-updates-israeli-forces-conduct-ground-raid-gaza-104419963 and https://twitter.com/gaza_report/status/1717954478140170350
• US is worried that Israel's escalation may put the 200 hostages that still remain at risk. Trying their best to prevent further expansion. https://twitter.com/John_Hudson/status/1717972728177742041
• "We never heard such an intensity of shelling and bombing since the start of this war" (i24News_EN) https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1717961169955103079
• Gazans report fighting between Israel and Palestinian Islamic Jihad and potentially Hamas(?) now. https://twitter.com/no_itsmyturn/status/1717997164872221085 and https://twitter.com/TheNewsTrending/status/1717997173915230616

It has begun. I hope deaths stay to a minimum. This is history.

Note: There are a ton of articles about the yesterday's list of 7,028 victims that Palestine's Health Ministry provided but I haven't been able to find it myself. Is it not available to the public? I would like to post it here. Does anyone have it?

The United Nations approved a resolution that called for a ceasefire in the war between Israel and Hamas on Friday in the face of strident objection from the US and Israel.
A resolution was introduced by Jordan and passed the General Assembly overwhelmingly, with 120 countries voting in favor of the resolution, 14 against and 45 abstained. Applause broke out in the assembly hall when the positive vote count was displayed.
The resolution calls for an "immediate, durable and sustained humanitarian truce leading to a cessation of hostilities," as well as "immediate, full, sustained, safe and unhindered humanitarian access." It also asks Israel to rescind its recommendation to evacuate northern Gaza.
The resolution urges "the immediate and unconditional release of all civilians who are being illegally held captive," but does not name Hamas as the captor.
The US and Israel had denounced the motion, arguing that it did not include explicit criticism of Hamas. In debate around the resolution on Thursday, Israeli ambassador to the UN Gilad Erdan said calls for a ceasefire were not an attempt for peace but an attempt to tie Israels hands, preventing us from eliminating a huge threat to our citizens.
Earlier Friday, an amendment introduced by the Canadians and backed by the United States to include harsh language about Hamas in the resolution was rejected by the General Assembly.
The vote comes as the Israel Defense Forces announced earlier Friday it is "expanding ground operations" in the Gaza Strip and "operating forcefully" on all fronts to fulfill its goals in the war with Hamas.

In what appears to be a significant attempt to prepare public opinion ahead of a major ground offensive inside Gaza, the Israeli army has accused the Strips largest hospital, Al Shifa, of being the site of a major Hamas command and control center.
Army spokesperson Daniel Hagari accused Hamas of directing rocket attacks and commanding Hamas operations from bunkers underneath the hospital building, which he said was linked to the network of tunnels that Hamas has dug underneath Gaza City.
He claimed other hospitals inside Gaza were also being used by Hamas in similar ways during a media presentation that included aerial photos, graphics and voice recordings,

"When medical facilities are used for terror purposes, they are liable to lose their protection from attack in accordance with international law," Hagari said, appearing to suggest such hospitals were now firmly and publicly on Israels target list.

The army would "continue making efforts to minimize harm to the civilian population," he added.
Hagari offered only one piece of evidence at the presentation: a phone call purporting to be between two Gazans discussing the presence of Hamas headquarters at the hospital.
He said Israel had more evidence that he could not yet make public, but which had been shared with what he called the intelligence community, which had accepted Israels allegations, he said.
Palestinians rejected the Israeli army claim.
The Director General of the Gaza Health Ministry, Dr. Medhat Abbas, told CNNs Eleni Giokos that Gazas hospitals, "are used to treat patients only" and are not being used "to hide anyone."
Hamas also rejected the claim, calling on the United Nations, Arab and Islamic countries to immediately intervene to stop the madness of bombing and destroying the medical system."
Mustafa Barghouti of the Palestine National Initiative based in Ramallah said Israel was lying.

They keep lying to justify criminal acts against a civilian population, now they want to justify attacking people in a hospital he told Sky News.

And Mads Gilbert, a Norwegian physician who has worked at the hospital on several occasions, including during three periods of open hostilities between Hamas and Israel, called the allegations old.

We heard these unsubstantiated claims during the 2009 and 2014 attacks. We have never seen any single sign or proof, weve had zero restrictions on filming and photographing in Shifa, and have never been controlled in any ways, he told CNN.

Hagari, the Army spokesperson, also addressed the issue of fuel stocks, which Israel says Hamas continues to divert from civilian purposes towards powering its military campaign.
Hagari played a voice recording which he said was a conversation between an Israeli army officer and a "senior Gazan energy official" in which the purported energy official says that Hamas has "at least a million liters" of diesel, and that some its fuel is being used to provide ventilation and lighting in tunnels.
On Thursday, a World Health Organization spokesperson told CNN that more than one-third of hospitals in Gaza and nearly two-thirds of primary health care clinics have shut down due to damage from hostilities or lack of fuel.

https://www.newarab.com/news/gaza-health-ministry-releases-detailed-list-7000-victims is supposed to link to a pdf with the names, Im getting connection errors, dont know if it is me or overloaded.

Foppe posted...

https://www.newarab.com/news/gaza-health-ministry-releases-detailed-list-7000-victims is supposed to link to a pdf with the names, Im getting connection errors, dont know if it is me or overloaded.

Same. Not getting anything

This is the PDF:

https://shorturl.at/egiR0

But it is in Arabic.

It's accurate btw, I know Palestinians who were looking up family members in it, and found some too.

Hamas official appeals in AP interview for "stronger intervention" against Israel by regional allies
From CNN's Ruba Alhenawi
A senior Hamas official said Thursday that Hezbollah and other allies were expected to play a bigger role in the Israel-Hamas conflict.
Ghazi Hamad told the Associated Press in an exclusive interview from Beirut that Hezbollah now is working against the occupation, adding, We appreciate this. But we need more in order to stop the aggression on Gaza We expect more.
Hezbollahs leader, Hassan Nasrallah, met with top officials from Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad on Wednesday, the Lebanese group said. Hezbollah's press office also released a handwritten letter by Nasrallah his first statement since the start of the war commending those who have died fighting Israel.
In his interview, Hamad denied any involvement from Iran or Hezbollah in the planning of the October 7 attack.
"The decision was taken by Hamas only, and we took the responsibility (for it), he said.
Initial US intelligence also suggested that Iranian officials were surprised by Hamas attack, casting doubt on the idea that Tehran was directly involved in its planning, resourcing or approval, CNN reported.
Earlier Friday, Hezbollah deputy chief Naim Qassem met with a delegation from the Iranian parliament. Qassem warned that the Americans and Israelis do not know what the coming days will hold for them should the aggression continue.
Hamad told the AP that the initial international condemnation of the October 7 attack that killed Israeli civilians gave Israel license to kill civilians in Gaza in response.
Amid growing pressure to secure the release of hundreds of more hostages, Hamad reiterated that Hamas is "very open" to discuss the release of more.
Hamad did not make any apologies regarding the high number ofcivilian deaths in Israel or the rising death toll in Gaza, according to the Associated Press.

Conflict may widen.

name_unknown posted...

Conflict may widen

Expect Iran to escalate

Situation becomes more dire for hundreds of foreign nationals stranded in Gaza
From CNN's Alex Marquardt, Jennifer Hansler and Yahya Abou-Ghazala
More than two weeks of intense negotiations to evacuate foreign nationals out of Gaza have yielded few signs of progress, leaving hundreds of desperate civilians stranded inside the war-torn strip of land as Israeli ground operations expanded amid a barrage of airstrikes on Friday.
Multiple sources involved in the diplomatic talks tell CNN that the effort to open a key border crossing in southern Gaza remains stymied by Hamas control of the enclave, Israels blockade and bombing, as well as Egyptian security concerns.
Now that the Israeli defense forces have announced an expansion of their ground operations, the situation for civilians and foreign nationals who remain trapped in Gaza has become even more dire. Aid officials and other individuals on the ground had expressed fears even before the expansion of operations that nowhere in Gaza was safe, and despite US officials saying they were working with Israel to establish civilian safe zones, such areas have not been fully stood up.
People who have family in Gaza told CNN on Friday they have not been able to make contact with them after communications went down in the strip amid the barrage of strikes.
Negotiators have been furiously working to find a solution to appease Egypts concerns about refugees entering the country through the Rafah crossing in southwestern Gaza, the border between Egypt and the Sinai. Complicating things are Israeli and American claims that Hamas has blocked the way out, as well as the inherent difficulties that come with processing thousands of people who claim to be foreign nationals.
The US had also been rushing to negotiate the release of hostages held by Hamas ahead of the incursion, talks that the US government insisted will continue amid Fridays intensified airstrikes.
The Biden administration said Thursday it was hopeful that a deal will be reached in the coming days to allow US citizens to evacuate Gaza through Egypt, though the State Department had previously issued an alert saying the crossing into Egypt would open but it never did.

Those with dual citizenship are still not allowed to leave Gaza

EUROPES LARGEST NEWS AGGREGATOR ORDERS EDITORS TO PLAY DOWN PALESTINIAN DEATHS

https://theintercept.com/2023/10/19/upday-news-gaza-israel-axel-springer/

And a couple of days back:

Biden Urges Americans Not To Let Dangerous Online Rhetoric Humanize Palestinians

https://www.theonion.com/biden-urges-americans-not-to-let-dangerous-online-rheto-1850941897

That latter one was an onion article. The former is real life. When real life reaches parody levels of insanity.

@ZaruenKosai

Hey man. I wanted to apologise if you thought Id purposefully targeted your illness in our discussions earlier.

The Israel topics have been very fast moving and I dont have time to read every post in every topic so if youd previously responded to me and I hadnt caught it it wasnt intentional.

With that in mind Id like to make right by you and remove any posts you felt were intentionally making light of your illness. If you could link me to them Id be happy to review and remove them should they be personal attacks on your illness specifically.

You said you felt like I was taking crappy attacks at you. If you would be so kind to link me to the specific posts in question I will be more than happy to delete them. I did make a similar post in the other topic but I appreciate it was closed so I wanted to post it again to reiterate I have no ill will towards your illness and regardless of what political differences we may have or interpretations of current events we both are aligned in wanting to avoid civilian deaths of both sides of this awful conflict.

Take care friend. Truly.

name_unknown posted...

In what appears to be a significant attempt to prepare public opinion ahead of a major ground offensive inside Gaza, the Israeli army has accused the Strips largest hospital, Al Shifa, of being the site of a major Hamas command and control center.
Army spokesperson Daniel Hagari accused Hamas of directing rocket attacks and commanding Hamas operations from bunkers underneath the hospital building, which he said was linked to the network of tunnels that Hamas has dug underneath Gaza City.
He claimed other hospitals inside Gaza were also being used by Hamas in similar ways during a media presentation that included aerial photos, graphics and voice recordings,
The army would "continue making efforts to minimize harm to the civilian population," he added.
Hagari offered only one piece of evidence at the presentation: a phone call purporting to be between two Gazans discussing the presence of Hamas headquarters at the hospital.
He said Israel had more evidence that he could not yet make public, but which had been shared with what he called the intelligence community, which had accepted Israels allegations, he said.
Palestinians rejected the Israeli army claim.
The Director General of the Gaza Health Ministry, Dr. Medhat Abbas, told CNNs Eleni Giokos that Gazas hospitals, "are used to treat patients only" and are not being used "to hide anyone."
Hamas also rejected the claim, calling on the United Nations, Arab and Islamic countries to immediately intervene to stop the madness of bombing and destroying the medical system."
Mustafa Barghouti of the Palestine National Initiative based in Ramallah said Israel was lying.
And Mads Gilbert, a Norwegian physician who has worked at the hospital on several occasions, including during three periods of open hostilities between Hamas and Israel, called the allegations old.
Hagari, the Army spokesperson, also addressed the issue of fuel stocks, which Israel says Hamas continues to divert from civilian purposes towards powering its military campaign.
Hagari played a voice recording which he said was a conversation between an Israeli army officer and a "senior Gazan energy official" in which the purported energy official says that Hamas has "at least a million liters" of diesel, and that some its fuel is being used to provide ventilation and lighting in tunnels.
On Thursday, a World Health Organization spokesperson told CNN that more than one-third of hospitals in Gaza and nearly two-thirds of primary health care clinics have shut down due to damage from hostilities or lack of fuel.

Laying the groundwork to justify leveling hospitals. Meaning if Gaza still exists as an entity after this there will be no medical infrastructure for the Palestinians, which means even more deaths in the long run.

I have close family members with heart issues and the idea of them not being able to get urgent treatment if the worst happens scares the shit of me. I say this from the comfort of my own home in a situation where our hospitals are running relatively well compared to in Palestine. I cant imagine what someone in Palestine in a similar situation must feel know your hospitals could potentially be unusable today, let alone if said hospitals have been targeted by Israel if that turns does turn out to be the case as it has in previous retaliations from Israel.

If Hamas have intentionally placed bases near, let alone in, hospitals they are truly awful and it just cements how little they care about the people they claim to be fighting for.

It does place Israel in an impossible situation. They have the right to try and remove Hamas and I support this but if this results in hospitals being bombed they are in the awful situation of deciding whether taking out hospitals is just to achieve their gains. I hope they dont target hospitals but I do accept its an awful fucking strategy by Hamas if the rumours of them hiding in hospitals does turn out to be true. They have history for this so it cant be discounted from the start.

punkfanalways posted...

I have close family members with heart issues and the idea of them not being able to get urgent treatment if the worst happens scares the shit of me. I say this from the comfort of my own home in a situation where our hospitals are running relatively well compared to in Palestine. I cant imagine what someone in Palestine in a similar situation must feel know your hospitals could potentially be unusable today, let alone if said hospitals have been targeted by Israel if that turns does turn out to be the case as it has in previous retaliations from Israel.

If Hamas have intentionally placed bases near, let alone in, hospitals they are truly awful and it just cements how little they care about the people they claim to be fighting for.

It does place Israel in an impossible situation. They have the right to try and remove Hamas and I support this but if this results in hospitals being bombed they are in the awful situation of deciding whether taking out hospitals is just to achieve their gains. I hope they dont target hospitals but I do accept its an awful fucking strategy by Hamas if the rumours of them hiding in hospitals does turn out to be true. They have history for this so it cant be discounted from the start.

This is like genocide apologist lite. No mention of animals or savages, its just unfortunate israel has to ethically cleanse and genocide women and children in schools, hospitals, churches, mosques, bakeries, and every other Hamas base.

The wrong side of history is basically all the future you people have.

You dont feel like Hamas are shitty for putting their bases in these areas as they have done previously? You dont feel like it shows Hamas in a bad light for doing this?

I responded to your post on the other topic. Theres no need to have the same debate twice in two separate topics posting the same messages.

punkfanalways posted...

You dont feel like Hamas are shitty for putting their bases in these areas as they have done previously? You dont feel like it shows Hamas in a bad light for doing this?

I responded to your post on the other topic. Theres no need to have the same debate twice in two separate topics posting the same messages.

Yeah then dont litter this topic with your genocide apologist garbage.

It wasnt genocide apologist. I explicitly stated I dont want to see hospitals bombed.

This isnt an either / or situation.

Criticising Hamas doesnt mean I support everything Israel is doing. Ive been very vocal about my criticism of Israel in recent days

https://twitter.com/inthesedeserts/status/1718053152170074213

Protest calling for a ceasefire at Grand Central Station in NY https://twitter.com/IfNotNowOrg/status/1718032951936467229

Is there any truth to the accusations Hamas have fuel they are refusing to give to the population? It doesnt seem outside the realm of possibility considering how little they seem to care for innocent Gazans.

punkfanalways posted...

Is there any truth to the accusations Hamas have fuel they are refusing to give to the population? It doesnt seem outside the realm of possibility considering how little they seem to care for innocent Gazans.

Can you please piss off to your own garbage propaganda topic?

How about you answer the question without resorting to ad hominem attacks?

What part of my post specifically do you disagree with and why?

punkfanalways posted...

How about you answer the question without resorting to ad hominem attacks?

What part of my post specifically do you disagree with and why?

Just take it to the PMs.

• "A near-total blackout of internet and cellphone service has taken hold across much of the Gaza Strip, according to witnesses there and companies that monitor global connectivity." As Israel ramps up aerial strikes. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna122531

We may get a lot less out of Gaza in terms of communication and media because of this

• Israel launching major ground invasion https://www.axios.com/2023/10/27/israel-hamas-ground-invasion-gaza
• UN overwhelmingly votes for ceasefire. With 120 countries voting in favor and 14 against. The US is one of the 14 going against. https://edition.cnn.com/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-hamas-war-friday-intl-hnk/index.html
• Hezbollah threatens that they're ready to go now. https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1718000582634475813

VFalcone posted...

We may get a lot less out of Gaza in terms of communication and media because of this

That's the point.

Yeah things are going to be terrifying from here on out.