Board 8 > Dead by Daylight Topic 7: Or rather, Se7en.

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If this random wiki google gave me is right there are only 34 playable killers in the game. Theres at least a couple OC lore characters at least to fill more flavor but without a safelist raw claiming a killer feels astronomically impossible.

Yeah others like me were wary of him right away pretty much. But then he took it back day3 and that just made him look worse.
Still am not sold on him being town of course. Corrik roleblocking him just means he could not have sent in the kill as scum, which is a reasonable assumption anyway since scum might fear that scumAshe would be watched closely somehow.

So Ashethan is claiming to be Quiet, which is ninja, on his Michael Myers night, not attached to his scan.

Then he is also claiming to be Mystic, which also happens to be ninja (despite BCT only being ninja half the time) while he's Mikaela. Wallz also has Mystic, but Wallz version of Mystic is just vanilla and nothing attached to it.

Please just lynch Ashethan. He does not have ninja on both roles as town. There are so many red flags at every part of his claim. Maybe my investigation isn't the damning evidence I thought it was if he is a scum ninja, but Ashethan should still be lynched even for everything else surrounding his existence.

Leafeon13N posted...

If this random wiki google gave me is right there are only 34 playable killers in the game. Theres at least a couple OC lore characters at least to fill more flavor but without a safelist raw claiming a killer feels astronomically impossible.

Ironically if the host had waited a bit, he apparently could have included 36 killers.

Ashethan posted...

Wallz.. why were you suspicious of Corrik being alive on day 4 if you roleblocked anyone targeting him night 2?

I dont mean this snarky but I think this kind of answers the question. I thought he might die d2, he didnt. I thought he might die d3, he still didnt.

I havent been suspecting him only because hes still alive. And even when I did my n2 action I thought to myself Corrik might be scum, but if hes not, hes a likely target tonight.

Ashethan Im sure youve played far more mafia than me and probably know the full b8 crew in mafia context but recapping to be safe, Corrik has a reputation for being one of the communitys best players and capable of solving a game singlehandedly as town. I only started playing this year and at least twice now including last game he was the n1 kill because hes a threat to scum as town. Last time I recall him rolling scum, he also got through the game with minimal suspicion and town got their butts kicked similarly to how this game is going. Corrik also seems hard to lynch barring a few exceptions so despite the cries of wifom! I already hear from the back, I would not pick on town Corrik as scum wallz. This is ? Corrik and town wallz. Some people may think its scum/scum, so be it, but if I wanted to work towards a mislynch as scum I wouldnt end day and start another focused on one of the playgrounds bigger bullies. But whatever.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Hmmm what if scum is the reverse and Ashe ousted himself in his claim. Then realized of fuck towns the opposite of scum and changed it.

I think Ashe might just be caught and did a pretty damn good job trying to talk himself outta it

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Right that's what I'm saying I think Ashe probably claimed scum and we didn't even realize that until now. Or atleast I didn't

Just for the record, this is what Death and I have been saying since Ashethan claimed. That he backpedaled his claim after realizing he made a mistake.

I haven't seen any of my traits claimed by anyone yet.

Maybe not as impossible as my brain says but like, 15 players, presumably 12+ off for safelist. Thats slim pickings.

EDumey posted...

So Ashethan is claiming to be Quiet, which is ninja, on his Michael Myers night, not attached to his scan.

Then he is also claiming to be Mystic, which also happens to be ninja (despite BCT only being ninja half the time) while he's Mikaela. Wallz also has Mystic, but Wallz version of Mystic is just vanilla and nothing attached to it.

Please just lynch Ashethan. He does not have ninja on both roles as town. There are so many red flags at every part of his claim. Maybe my investigation isn't the damning evidence I thought it was if he is a scum ninja, but Ashethan should still be lynched even for everything else surrounding his existence.

I hate to make absolute meta statements when this game has been proven to be wacky already, but the endresult is still Ashe being probable scum.
Still I would like your input on the Wallz/Corrik/BCT trifecta

EDumey posted...

Then he is also claiming to be Mystic, which also happens to be ninja (despite BCT only being ninja half the time) while he's Mikaela. Wallz also has Mystic, but Wallz version of Mystic is just vanilla and nothing attached to it.

With the way this game is setup, this is terrible meta. There's trait names that do the same thing, trait names that do something different. It's very confusing tbh. Also, isn't wallz on your scum list?

Red I would enjoy if you talked about some players more and not just the games setup.

wallmasterz posted...

Red I would enjoy if you talked about some players more and not just the games setup.

Yeah im sure you would thats great and all.

Reddest thing he's said all game really

Wait. Ashe is ninja with night 2 and not night 1?

He said he was ninja both nights

htaeD posted...

He said he was ninja both nights

When he initially claimed?

wallmasterz posted...

Ashethan Im sure youve played far more mafia than me and probably know the full b8 crew in mafia context but recapping to be safe, Corrik has a reputation for being one of the communitys best players and capable of solving a game singlehandedly as town. I only started playing this year and at least twice now including last game he was the n1 kill because hes a threat to scum as town. Last time I recall him rolling scum, he also got through the game with minimal suspicion and town got their butts kicked similarly to how this game is going. Corrik also seems hard to lynch barring a few exceptions so despite the cries of wifom! I already hear from the back, I would not pick on town Corrik as scum wallz. This is ? Corrik and town wallz. Some people may think its scum/scum, so be it, but if I wanted to work towards a mislynch as scum I wouldnt end day and start another focused on one of the playgrounds bigger bullies. But whatever.

I probably haven't tbh. I've only played sporadically, and even then I took a break a couple years ago. I'm only really familiar with a couple of players in this game. But yes, I know Corrik's reputation.

But in your actions claim you said:

wallmasterz posted...

I thought about saving Corrik but figured the scum team would likely have folks who played last game and since Corrik was just the n1 kill, I thought they might go a different direction.

For night 1. Then you saved him night 2. So I wanted to see if your logic followed or not.

Corrik7 posted...

When he initially claimed?

Yes. I mentioned both Mystic and Quiet, and said what they did when I claimed. You were the one who asked me to claim, so I'm surprised you don't remember. you told me 'claim or die'.

Another question for Wallz, what is the passive ability of your ability mystic? Is it the same as mine? Which is kind of a Ninja-like role?

Ashethan posted...

Another question for Wallz, what is the passive ability of your ability mystic? Is it the same as mine? Which is kind of a Ninja-like role?

lmao Im glad you asked. It literally says I leave signs of my hexes wherever I go.

stealthy stuff

Ashethan posted...

With the way this game is setup, this is terrible meta. There's trait names that do the same thing, trait names that do something different. It's very confusing tbh. Also, isn't wallz on your scum list?

But have we had same role, same effect, different trait, same player, both nights??!?

Yes it's not 100% safe to make decisions on this type of role meta, but I am not pointing out just ONE inconsistency with your claim, but red flag after red flag after red flag. How many flags can we wave away with "setup meta" before we start to actually pay attention. Is there anyone else in the game that retains their active/passive trait (in function) across swap? One single other person that gets the same thing on both nights? Obviously Vanilla doesn't count in this.

Also, I said Wallz is deep in my PoE and likely scum just from how I can construct scum teams, but I will always at least consider people's perspectives and look at the game from the perspective that they could be telling the truth. I think I've responded to pretty much any and every question you've had for me earnestly, even though I think you're scum.

htaeD posted...

I hate to make absolute meta statements when this game has been proven to be wacky already, but the endresult is still Ashe being probable scum.
Still I would like your input on the Wallz/Corrik/BCT trifecta

BCT is town. Claimed first, and in a genuine fashion.
Wallz is probably scum. PoE.
Corrik is probably town, but a tiny bit paranoid about scum shooting Chang over Corrik last night. Would feel more confident about Corrik's alignment after Ashethan is flipped, so we can contextualize things like Corrik locking his vote in D2 during the chain hunt.

Dumey you think Wallz and Ashe doing some scum theater here? The interactions could be used to make wallz look better when Ashe Flips scum. Do you think scum scum here?

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Dumey you think Wallz and Ashe doing some scum theater here? The interactions could be used to make wallz look better when Ashe Flips scum. Do you think scum scum here?

Theater in the sense that they're planning interactions on the scum board to play out in topic? No I don't get that sense.

Just interacting with each other here as two scum? Yeah it happens. Easy to answer questions from someone you know isn't actively pursuing you. Wallz happy to respond to Ashethan and use it as a chance to talk more about his distrust of Corrik.

But I might have a different idea of what "scum theater" is than you.

Quick sort of the game.

1. Ashethan - scum probable

6. BlueCrystalTear / BCT (replaces Lea) (feels like last game)
3. EDumey / Dumey (the town feels all game)
5. IfGodCouldDie / IGCD (dumb gambit yesterday?)
2. Corrik7 / Corrik (been trying to kill ashe)
9. TheSultanofSlam / Sultan (more what i expect from him now though igcd gave me panic)

Probably murder from here:
4. htaeD / Death
7. Obellisk / Sbell
10. UltimateBrohan / Brohan
11. wallmasterz / Wallz

oh no, I've made a poe list.

EDumey posted...

Theater in the sense that they're planning interactions on the scum board to play out in topic? No I don't get that sense.

Just interacting with each other here as two scum? Yeah it happens. Easy to answer questions from someone you know isn't actively pursuing you. Wallz happy to respond to Ashethan and use it as a chance to talk more about his distrust of Corrik.

But I might have a different idea of what "scum theater" is than you.

Theater is probably a strong word but that's what in talking about more or less yes

Corrik did you say who you blocked N1?

Obellisk posted...

oh no, I've made a poe list.

Post it and your claim so I know if I can trust you or not. :)

I spent entirely too long attempting to be budget FD.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/582ba29f.png

I am sorry for assaulting your eyes with this. Appreciate FD more the next time you have him in a game. If I missed something let me know. (also if you're mad about me not including the actual trait names, then lol stay mad loser)

EDumey posted...

Corrik did you say who you blocked N1?

No I did not.

Ashethan posted...

Yes. I mentioned both Mystic and Quiet, and said what they did when I claimed. You were the one who asked me to claim, so I'm surprised you don't remember. you told me 'claim or die'.

Aight then yeah it doesn't make much sense for you to claim ninja if you actually moved as scum.

EDumey posted...

Post it and your claim so I know if I can trust you or not. :)

no I meant I'm on poe list. Reds.

Obellisk posted...

no I meant I'm on poe list. Reds.

oh

you're also in my poe. I even labeled you as being a resident of POE-ville. But I guess I don't matter to you, I get it.

now give me a claim. you're not skating by on D1 anymore, and we haven't lynched scum yet. No free lunch.

Wallz seemed genuinely to feel cool that he complemented me. Does he seem that way if he is scum. Hmmm.

dumey I didn't see your list.

sorry chum.

I figure I should at least same time or close to same time (phone and all) with someone. but I'm happy to spill my beans

How about IGCD if you're both in the topic soon? You both had the start of D1 thing together.

EDumey posted...

How about IGCD if you're both in the topic soon? You both had the start of D1 thing together.

I mean I didn't choose the "thought I was indy" life, the "thought I was indy" life chose me

your butts locked

Leafeon13N posted...

IfGodCouldDie / IGCD (dumb gambit yesterday?)

What gambit?

I'll same time with Sbell.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

What gambit?

Sultan? I still am confused.

Okay, sorry for the wait. Was watching Survivor.

Obellisk posted...

so many ninjas

Keep in mind, I'm a "Vanilla Ninja" - someone who won't be seen if moving at night, but he's got nowhere to go.

Which is one thing I don't trust about Ethan. Why would he be a ninja for both his roles, instead of just on even nights? Why on earth would town have two ninjas, a role typically assigned to scum? That makes no sense to me unless Isquen's goal here was to do something like give scum "towny" roles and give town "scummy" roles, then see what happens. Which may explain why I have two roles typically given to scum, or why JC's weird box was town.

Leafeon13N posted...

If there is a damning bit of evidence here. Randomly claiming a killer, especially a fairly big name licensed one. That is a gambit and a fucking half. Presumably we have what, 14 killer roles out there, maybe 3 wtf's(we had a cat!).

Like I said (and Sultan tried to reiterate already), it's entirely possible that scum is killers first and survivors second. Town and scum oppose each other the same way survivors and killers do, yes?

And no I don't know that for sure, it's just my theory, and Sultan came to it separately. I don't believe anyone responded to it the last time I floated it out there.

Also, has Brohan posted at all?

Leafeon13N posted...

Sultan? I still am confused.

It's not a gambit to think someone is scum?

Red's interactions with me certainly don't fill me with confidence about him being town.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

It's not a gambit to think someone is scum?

Red's interactions with me certainly don't fill me with confidence about him being town

You said he was 100% scum. That usually means damning as fuck scum beyond a doubt.

Forgive me for losing a fuckton of faith in you after the crap last game.

Kind of resigned myself to thinking you were pulling the same shit again.

Really dont want Brohan to get away with claiming last here

Right now my PoE has him, Red, IGCD, Ashe, one of Wallz or Corrik in it.

I am also not super sure about Sbell yet either, but his demeanor is oddly comfortably chill.

Anyone even around?

Maybe votals can bring some life back into this topic.

[3]Ashe - Dumey, IGCD, Sultan
[1]Corrik - Wallz, (IGCD)
[1] Wallz - BCT

Skimming the topics again while working just reinforces my belief that BCT is town and that he is not pulling off some one for one fake counterclaim scam here.

On the other side, we could let Wallz prove his power. Though for all I know its just his scumpower.
I want to know what everyone else thinks.

Leafeon13N posted...

You said he was 100% scum. That usually means damning as fuck scum beyond a doubt.

Forgive me for losing a fuckton of faith in you after the crap last game.

Kind of resigned myself to thinking you were pulling the same shit again.

I mean saying you fully believe someone is scum and lying about a scan are exactly the same thing so I understand your confusion.

htaeD posted...

Anyone even around?

Maybe votals can bring some life back into this topic.

[3]Ashe - Dumey, IGCD, Sultan
[1]Corrik - Wallz, (IGCD)
[1] Wallz - BCT

Skimming the topics again while working just reinforces my belief that BCT is town and that he is not pulling off some one for one fake counterclaim scam here.

On the other side, we could let Wallz prove his power. Though for all I know its just his scumpower.
I want to know what everyone else thinks.

From my perspective here looking at votals. Either we are not at MYLO, or one of Ashethan/IGCD is guaranteed scum.

And I'm sure you know which one I think it is.

What about Sultan?
(I know how I feel about him, but still)