Current Events > When are Democrats going to realize not voting for Biden will ensue a Trump win?

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SMT_Masochist posted...

The other is a business man who only cares about himself and his image (read: will reply to anyone on X) to the detriment of his country.

You forgot under indictment for 90 some odd charges, convicted of sexual assault, scammed students out of money they didn't really even have, committed fraud with his charity foundation, attempted to overturn a democratic election, incited an inserruction, etc, etc, etc.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

??? theres no way you just said that.

Do you not know anything about project 2025? Did the literal insurrection attempt not show you anything about the dangers of Trump in power??

What the fuck dude. For real, what the fuck. Good job letting the chud mask slip off, i guess.

Republicans have been shitty people with shitty plans for a long time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

Not a good reason to vote for genocide being just politics.

ButteryMales posted...

Republicans have been shitty people with shitty plans for a long time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

Not a good reason to vote for genocide being just politics.

Argument falls flat after what happened with roe v wade

ButteryMales posted...

Republicans have been shitty people with shitty plans for a long time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

Not a good reason to vote for genocide being just politics.

They have a ton of power and are now in a position to act upon these shitty plans. Project 2025 seeks to make it permanent. Its horribly ignorant to say that theres no different between Trump and Biden

Roe V wade is gone now. Thats just one example of a conservative supreme court put in place by Trump, that shows they arent playing around. Also, if Trump wins do you think hell just leave peacefully when his term is up?

SMT_Masochist posted...

What's option C?

To understand how our electorate works and that there is no option c.

Will_VIIII posted...

Argument falls flat after what happened with roe v wade

Democrats had a supermajority and didn't codify it. McConnell committed treason when he stole seats from Obama while the Democrats did nothing.

So much failure and do nothings from Democrats.

Tell me how many days they had a functional supermajority and whether they actually had the votes to do that.

ButteryMales posted...

Democrats had a supermajority and didn't codify it.

https://imgur.com/PhWE6Mo.jpeg

https://imgur.com/4vxe0Au.jpeg

https://imgur.com/dkjq7qv.jpeg

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Also, if Trump wins do you think hell just leave peacefully when his term is up?

He has to. It's not particularly negotiable.

Starks posted...

Tell me how many days they had a functional supermajority and whether they actually had the votes to do that.

Why does the exact amount matter? I've sorta been trying to find it and search engines just plain don't work anymore. They had a supermajority around 2008 - 2010 which is maybe the 111th congress.

ButteryMales posted...

What does exact amount matter? I've sorta been trying to find it and search engines just plain don't work anymore. They had a supermajority around 2008 - 2010 which is maybe is the 111th congress.

Unfortunately Joe Lieberman and Ben Nelson were playing the Joe Manchin and Krysten Simema role there. They were never gonna vote to codify reproductive rights.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/debunking-the-myth-obamas_b_1929869

SecretBase posted...

He has to. It's not particularly negotiable.

Just like leaving after he lost in 2020? Not like he tried to stop that process through an insurrection or anything oh wait. Yeah he fucking did.

There's always a Joe Lieberman or Joe Manchin. There is probably a bunch backup Sinemas too.

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Weve said this every four years since Regan

Some people are fine with sending the Dem leadership a message by letting Trump win. Sometimes you have to lose the battle to win the war.

But damn Trump can do a LOT of damage in four years. Ugh.

pnut027 posted...

Weve said this every four years since Regan

Scathing indictment of the Republican Party.

pnut027 posted...

Some people are fine with sending the Dem leadership a message by letting Trump win. Sometimes you have to lose the battle to win the war.

Must be nice for those people to have such a privileged life that they can afford to just coast through the next four years with little changes occurring to them personally while living under the delusion that it will magically fix everything after. Many people unfortunately don't have that and will have their lives destroyed by either their rights being removed, having to hide who they truly are or even being kicked out of the country.

PeteyParker posted...

Must be nice for those people to have such a privileged life that they can afford to just coast through the next four years with little changes occurring to them personally while living under the delusion that it will magically fix everything after. Many people unfortunately don't have that and will have their lives destroyed by either their rights being removed, having to hide who they truly are or even being kicked out of the country.

Yes thats what I said in the part of my post you cut out for some reason.

ButteryMales posted...

I've lived through 4 years of both of them. I believe you voting for Biden just makes you feel better and doesn't do anything either.

still absolutely flabbergasted at this response.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

still absolutely flabbergasted at this response.

Shows a total lack of understanding of the current state of the senate and house right now and how far distant from reality after all Trump has said.

If trump wins he'll have to leave after his terms up lol. Just like he did the first time around. He can either go voluntarily or he can go by the authorities once he's no longer president.

ButteryMales posted...

I've lived through 4 years of both of them. I believe you voting for Biden just makes you feel better and doesn't do anything either.

This is a post from someone that doesn't understand how the government works.

ButteryMales posted...

Why does the exact amount matter? I've sorta been trying to find it and search engines just plain don't work anymore. They had a supermajority around 2008 - 2010 which is maybe the 111th congress.

Obergefell (same sex marriage SCOTUS) case wasn't even decided until 2015, and you think a codifying Roe V Wade would have been possible in 08-09 with that majority ?

Unless my memory is wrong, even California couldn't get enough votes to legalize gay marriage in 2008.

SilvosForever posted...

This is a post from someone that doesn't understand how the government works.

Or numbers

pnut027 posted...

Some people are fine with sending the Dem leadership a message by letting Trump win.

Yes - the people whose message is "don't worry Joe, just keep on arming and funding the country committing genocide".

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

Yes - the people whose message is "don't worry Joe, just keep on arming and funding the country committing genocide".

Please point to the alternative option who wouldn't of the currently available options

We'll wait

Yes Democrats are garbage capitalist moderates. Still, we have a better shot fixing thing with them than Republicans.

Nobody who refuses to vote for Biden ever explains what the plan is after the fascists take over.

Southernfatman posted...

Yes Democrats are garbage capitalist moderates. Still, we have a better shot fixing thing with them than Republicans.

Nobody who refuses to vote for Biden ever explains what the plan is after the fascists take over.

Yeah its like

>didnt vote for Biden because morals
>Trump wins and institutes project 2025
>US becomes theocracy
>?????
>Haha take that democrats you werent progressive enough I feel great about myself

Southernfatman posted...

Yes Democrats are garbage capitalist moderates. Still, we have a better shot fixing thing with them than Republicans.

Nobody who refuses to vote for Biden ever explains what the plan is after the fascists take over.

No they do, it's just that it's fucking stupid and makes 0 sense. It's simply that the democrats will realize the error of their ways, the DNC will elect a 35 year old progressive that does everything that person wants, they will obviously win in a landslide election along with 60+ like minded democratic Senators and 220+ Representatives and they will pass all bills that will unfuck everything the republicans have been doing for decades along with all the new things that will make America great while doing nothing bad.

SMT_Masochist posted...

Not a fan of him nor Trump. One is a politician that doesn't move the needle and keeps asking for more money.

asking for more money, not sure what you mean.

Voidgolem posted...

Please point to the alternative option who wouldn't of the currently available options

We'll wait

The point of stating that you don't like the current options is to force a change of options.

SecretBase posted...

The point of stating that you don't like the current options is to force a change of options.

Yall can never give a straight answer, huh?

--Zero- posted...

Yall can never give a straight answer, huh?

There are obviously no current candidates not supporting Israel besides Russian asset Jill Stein.

--Zero- posted...

Yall can never give a straight answer, huh?

It was a pretty straight answer.

Democrats keeping putting forward candidates leftists generally dislike. And theyll keep doing it because they know they have the moral high ground, and that their constituents will show up to oppose conservative evil.

However, many leftists are just fine with showing Dem leadership that they will let them lose this election if they will not put forward candidates who actually represent them.

Its the only real way to force Dem leadership to take them seriously. If not, well just keep doing the whole hey guys just vote for this person just this once and well give you what you want in four years. It has to stop.

Is it a destructive tactic in the short run? Yes. But maybe after 2028, Dem leadership will respect the will of their constituents.

It's destructive in the long run. Look at what Trump did with the judiciary and Supreme Court.

Progressive hissy fits lead to 30 years of conservative courts.

Bernie lost against Biden I guess, even if one got more support by the party. But still voted for by majority. And since he is president, the next chance to vote for a more progressive democrat is in 2028.

Starks posted...

It's destructive in the long run. Look at what Trump did with the judiciary and Supreme Court.

Progressive hissy fits lead to 30 years of conservative courts.

Voters nominating a candidate under active FBI investigation led to 30 years of conservative courts. Everyone with common sense told you guys Hillary was a bad idea.

Oh we're at the "but Hillary" stage of the argument huh

Will_VIIII posted...

Oh we're at the "but Hillary" stage of the argument huh

He blamed progressives for Hillary's failed campaign first.

SecretBase posted...

Voters nominating a candidate under active FBI investigation led to 30 years of conservative courts. Everyone with common sense told you guys Hillary was a bad idea.

Damn if you think candidates under active investigation are bad then BOY do i have news for you

SecretBase posted...

The point of stating that you don't like the current options is to force a change of options.

That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.
But then again, you don't actually care about the consequences. You're here to publicly masturbate over your ideological purity. Because your ass won't be the first one in the ovens.

pnut027 posted...

Is it a destructive tactic in the short run? Yes. But maybe after 2028, Dem leadership will respect the will of their constituents.

Spoken like someone who is conveniently ignoring Project 2025 for some reason

Always, always sideeye anyone telling you not to vote. Because we know who benefits when we don't vote.

McMarbles posted...

Always, always sideeye anyone telling you not to vote. Because we know who benefits when we don't vote.

It's what got roe v wade overturned.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Damn if you think candidates under active investigation are bad then BOY do i have news for you

The public didn't know about Trump's investigation in 2016 since the FBI kept it confidential.

McMarbles posted...

Because your ass won't be the first one in the ovens.

The only real privilege I personally have is living in a blue state. I understand those in red/purple states would have different priorities.

McMarbles posted...

Always, always sideeye anyone telling you not to vote. Because we know who benefits when we don't vote.

Nobody in the topic had told anyone not to vote. They're defending their own decisions.

SecretBase posted...

The only real privilege I personally have is living in a blue state. I understand those in red/purple states would have different priorities.

"fuck you i got mine"

pnut027 posted...

It was a pretty straight answer.

Democrats keeping putting forward candidates leftists generally dislike. And theyll keep doing it because they know they have the moral high ground, and that their constituents will show up to oppose conservative evil.

However, many leftists are just fine with showing Dem leadership that they will let them lose this election if they will not put forward candidates who actually represent them.

Its the only real way to force Dem leadership to take them seriously. If not, well just keep doing the whole hey guys just vote for this person just this once and well give you what you want in four years. It has to stop.

Is it a destructive tactic in the short run? Yes. But maybe after 2028, Dem leadership will respect the will of their constituents.

That will only happen when centrist voters gravitate further left with time. Focus on those people rather than people already voting against at least some of the things you hate. Use that energy to educate the fickle moderates that don't understand the extent of just why Trump is a threat (or maybe don't because they're an easily scared bunch and aggressive further left people do a terrible job of waking them up to harsh realities like how impending of a threat climate change is, sometimes just alienating them further).

We aren't getting progressive leaders until a majority of the country will get behind them, and it's not registered Democrats who tend to be your problem, but the votes that are actually up for grabs that need further convincing. Letting Republicans win, if anything, makes Democrats more likely to want to pursue the safer option the next go-around.