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03/04/24 12:01:40 PM
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Ruddager
03/04/24 1:31:57 PM
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https://www.theverge.com/2024/3/4/24090357/nintendo-yuzu-emulator-lawsuit-settlement

"Tropic Haze has not only agreed to pay $2,400,000 to Nintendo but also said that Yuzu was primarily designed to circumvent and play Nintendo Switch games and agrees to be permanently enjoined from working on Yuzu, hosting Yuzu, distributing Yuzus code or features, hosting websites and social media that promote Yuzu, or doing anything else that circumvents Nintendos copyright protection.

Oh, and it will surrender the yuzu-emu.org domain name to Nintendo, agree to delete not only its copies of Yuzu but also all circumvention tools used for developing or using Yuzusuch as TegraRcmGUI, Hekate, Atmosphre, Lockpick_RCM, NDDumpTool, nxDumpFuse, and TegraExplorer, and hand over any physical circumvention devices and modified Nintendo hardware to Nintendo. It also agrees to not delete any other evidence that infringes Nintendos IP rights."

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NeonOPPAl
03/04/24 1:35:34 PM
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So basically download Yuzu off their site right the fuck now?

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03/04/24 1:36:10 PM
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no way
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Ratchetrockon
03/04/24 1:37:59 PM
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Ok Damn that sucks

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Foppe
03/04/24 1:38:38 PM
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How long until we see a new opensource project based on Yuzu code?

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Ruddager
03/04/24 1:40:15 PM
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NeonOPPAl posted...
So basically download Yuzu off their site right the fuck now?

Or just use the other big Switch emu which, in my experience, has always worked better anyway
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FL81
03/04/24 1:41:37 PM
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Ruddager posted...
Or just use the other big Switch emu which, in my experience, has always worked better anyway
What are the chances that daddy Nintendo goes after them too?

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Tropicalwood
03/04/24 1:43:54 PM
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No, they just gave precedence for Nintendo to sue the devs with their army of lawyers and everyone will buckle and stop instead which means they'll never be developed in the first place.


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Ruddager
03/04/24 1:44:03 PM
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FL81 posted...
What are the chances that daddy Nintendo goes after them too?

If they had something to go after them for, I assume they would've moved against them when they went for Yuzu.

The Yuzu devs were doing some dumb shit (that the ryujinx developers aren't) which opened them up to be a target
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Prestoff
03/04/24 1:44:17 PM
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This, I think ultimately that was one of the bigger contributors to why they settled this fast. Yuzu only shot themselves in the foot for taking patreon money and giving specific instructions to pirate games, which I think is the biggest reason why Nintendo went after them and not the other emulators. There's etiquettes for this type of stuff and they broke it imo.

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Starks
03/04/24 1:57:23 PM
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The rules seem clear.

  1. No commercialization or paywalls, likely no donations
  2. Make sure any decryption methods or firmware are wholly separate and inaccessible from the project
  3. Don't entice people to break street dates

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xlr_big-coop
03/04/24 2:02:31 PM
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NeonOPPAl posted...
So basically download Yuzu off their site right the fuck now?
Oh well at least we got ryujinx as well

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voldothegr8
03/04/24 2:07:49 PM
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Tropicalwood posted...
No, they just gave precedence for Nintendo to sue the devs with their army of lawyers and everyone will buckle and stop instead which means they'll never be developed in the first place.
They were charging on Patreon and considering how fast they settled, Im guessing they were using some of Nintendo's code as well.

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Starks
03/04/24 2:10:13 PM
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I'm surprised that Nintendo accepted a settlement. I figured they were ready to kick the entire community in the face.

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Agent_Stroud
03/04/24 2:10:57 PM
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Score one for the Nintendo Ninjas. What did they think was going to happen when they were charging people money for their emulator on top of promoting piracy?

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Prestoff
03/04/24 2:16:52 PM
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Starks posted...
I'm surprised that Nintendo accepted a settlement. I figured they were ready to kick the entire community in the face.

Ultimately I think that's the Legal Team at Nintendo's goal, to get a precedent to allow them to go after all emulators. The only reason emulators can still exist is because of "technicality's", basically a grey area in the copyright laws.

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Compsognathus
03/04/24 2:20:24 PM
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Starks posted...
I'm surprised that Nintendo accepted a settlement. I figured they were ready to kick the entire community in the face.
The money is far secondary to Nintendo than making Yuzu stop and sending a statement.

Also I'm guessing that Nintendo, despite having a better chance to win than lose, still found the chance of losing a bit too high for its taste, especially given the standards a loss could set.

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Pikachuchupika
03/04/24 2:28:37 PM
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We still have ryujinx at least.
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Blacknite08
03/04/24 2:35:36 PM
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Prestoff posted...
This, I think ultimately that was one of the bigger contributors to why they settled this fast. Yuzu only shot themselves in the foot for taking patreon money and giving specific instructions to pirate games, which I think is the biggest reason why Nintendo went after them and not the other emulators. There's etiquettes for this type of stuff and they broke it imo.

The instructions they had on their website were actually for how to dump your own roms, not "go to these websites to get free roms". But Nintendo definitely wasn't happy with them giving people instructions to jailbreak their Switches.

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03/04/24 2:40:12 PM
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Its kind of hilarious seeing Nintendo go after emulation for a console thats at the end of its life cycle.

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Tyranthraxus
03/04/24 2:40:48 PM
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--Zero- posted...
Its kind of hilarious seeing Nintendo go after emulation for a console thats at the end of its life cycle.
It cost them nothing and got them 2.4 million dollars. Why not do it?

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Prestoff
03/04/24 2:43:31 PM
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Blacknite08 posted...
The instructions they had on their website were actually for how to dump your own roms, not "go to these websites to get free roms". But Nintendo definitely wasn't happy with them giving people instructions to jailbreak their Switches.

I think people were saying they were giving people step by step direction on their discord or something. I'll fully admit, I didn't fact check this claim I just remember someone posting this part of the information here.

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Lord_Ephraim
03/04/24 2:44:54 PM
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Deserved the moment you put up a Pateron to sell methods of piracy.

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PowerOats
03/04/24 2:45:33 PM
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Nintendo Lawyers > Avengers > Thanos in a fight
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PowerOats
03/04/24 2:45:59 PM
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Is Yuzu even a good emulator?
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Starks
03/04/24 2:46:53 PM
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Prestoff posted...
Ultimately I think that's the Legal Team at Nintendo's goal, to get a precedent to allow them to go after all emulators. The only reason emulators can still exist is because of "technicality's", basically a grey area in the copyright laws.
Nintendo may not want to admit that there are games that they will refuse to ever re-release.

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DarthAragorn
03/04/24 2:52:38 PM
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Agent_Stroud posted...
Score one for the Nintendo Ninjas. What did they think was going to happen when they were charging people money for their emulator on top of promoting piracy?
They were not charging people money. Unless the Patreon offered early releases of the emulator? I haven't looked into it that much. But the emulator was definitely free to download.

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Caelthus
03/04/24 2:53:25 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
They were not charging people money. Unless the Patreon offered early releases of the emulator? I haven't looked into it that much. But the emulator was definitely free to download.
It did, yes. It also had detailed instructions on how to do pirate stuff.

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ellis123
03/04/24 2:57:34 PM
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Compsognathus posted...
The money is far secondary to Nintendo than making Yuzu stop and sending a statement.

Also I'm guessing that Nintendo, despite having a better chance to win than lose, still found the chance of losing a bit too high for its taste, especially given the standards a loss could set.
I feel that it's more likely they felt it would be better to just not spend the money + time to go to court. Even if they got more out of it the court process takes ages and their lawyers have better things to do. And if the goal is to send a statement (of which I agree was the bigger point) then whether or not it actually makes it to court isn't needed.

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Tyranthraxus
03/04/24 3:05:27 PM
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ellis123 posted...
their lawyers have better things to do

(X) doubt

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Sheiky-Baby
03/04/24 3:05:48 PM
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Don't feel sorry for the Yuzu guys. They were basically like mob guys who scored a big heist, and than going out driving Benz, buying big mansions, and fur coats.

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ellis123
03/04/24 3:07:38 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
(X) doubt
That's code for "not having to pay their lawyers as much for the time being."

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mario2000
03/04/24 3:09:03 PM
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Telling people not to pirate is Emulation 101.

These guys deserved to get tanked.

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VGAddict90
03/04/24 3:14:11 PM
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I could understand being upset if this were a SNES emulator, but the Switch is Nintendo's current piece of hardware. Of course they're going to shut down an emulator of a console you can still get in stores.
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Shamino
03/04/24 4:02:17 PM
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Sheiky-Baby posted...
Don't feel sorry for the Yuzu guys. They were basically like mob guys who scored a big heist, and than going out driving Benz, buying big mansions, and fur coats.

NSFW

https://youtu.be/5TpvGTxWRL0?si=nsYHFwnWAuBjLQpy


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Sheiky-Baby
03/04/24 4:38:57 PM
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Shamino posted...
NSFW

https://youtu.be/5TpvGTxWRL0?si=nsYHFwnWAuBjLQpy
Exactly! lol

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BowflexPeloton
03/04/24 4:41:51 PM
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You guys realize that Ryujinx has a patreon as well, right?
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Punished_Blinx
03/04/24 4:44:16 PM
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BowflexPeloton posted...
You guys realize that Ryujinx has a patreon as well, right?

I don't think they realize that Retroarch has a Patreon either.

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megamanfreakXD
03/04/24 4:44:52 PM
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Thats a huge dissappointment.

end of an era.

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Calwings
03/04/24 4:50:09 PM
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Ruddager posted...
but also all circumvention tools used for developing or using Yuzusuch as TegraRcmGUI, Hekate, Atmosphre, Lockpick_RCM, NDDumpTool, nxDumpFuse, and TegraExplorer,

Isn't some of this stuff necessary for getting homebrew working on a Switch? Losing all of that stuff would suck for people who just want to use mods and back up save files, even if they have no intention of pirating anything.

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Tyranthraxus
03/04/24 5:10:08 PM
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Calwings posted...
Isn't some of this stuff necessary for getting homebrew working on a Switch? Losing all of that stuff would suck for people who just want to use mods and back up save files, even if they have no intention of pirating anything.
They're deleting their copies of those things. Not all those copies from the Internet.

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Dabrikishaw15
03/04/24 6:50:02 PM
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I don't care about Yuzu but it sucks we lost Citra over this.

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Torgo
03/04/24 6:54:53 PM
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Calwings posted...
Isn't some of this stuff necessary for getting homebrew working on a Switch? Losing all of that stuff would suck for people who just want to use mods and back up save files, even if they have no intention of pirating anything.

It's unfortunate, but this is how intellectual and copyright law works.

I am certain if someone came up with a tool to back up save files ONLY or that could make mods work ONLY if you have a paid copy of the game somehow... They won't go after you and probably couldn't. You aren't potentially peeling away profits from shareholders so why should they?

People think these companies slap these suits to be mean jerks or because they hate you personally for using emulators... but it's always the bottom line. It's because corporations are legally entrusted to maximize profits for shareholders. If news of a big console emulator starts catching buzz, they have to act or they could be voted out for dereliction of duty... but that's less emotional and more rational.

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noisetank
03/04/24 7:05:32 PM
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