Poll of the Day > 7 rebirth is great

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moogles swam so he could fucking soar

I liked the adaptation from the story except for Glenn until the whispers started showing up again, and also the weapons were homogenized into mako-surfing whales. But it was still fine despite removing Cid's hometown and Wutai, reducing the latter to a warring conflict that goes nowhere and Don Corneo trying to take over the Saucer, at least until the Ancient Temple when things started going downhill for me. But hey, at least we got an unnecessary conflict at Costa Del Sol's beach (thanks, Hojo) and another underground facility made to pad the runtime instead of giving us one of the aforementioned villages.

I'm glad you think Rebirth is great, because I don't. In fact, I think I'm done with the Remake trilogy at this point, personally.

Bewbs

I loved it as well, can't wait for the next part.

look forward to playing it in a year when it gets on pc

Entity13 posted...

I'm glad you think Rebirth is great, because I don't. In fact, I think I'm done with the Remake trilogy at this point, personally.

I mean, it is helly. The fact that he thinks it's great is probably a pretty clear indication that it's terrible.

Entity13 posted...

I liked the adaptation from the story except for Glenn until the whispers started showing up again, and also the weapons were homogenized into mako-surfing whales. But it was still fine despite removing Cid's hometown and Wutai, reducing the latter to a warring conflict that goes nowhere and Don Corneo trying to take over the Saucer, at least until the Ancient Temple when things started going downhill for me. But hey, at least we got an unnecessary conflict at Costa Del Sol's beach (thanks, Hojo) and another underground facility made to pad the runtime instead of giving us one of the aforementioned villages.

I'm glad you think Rebirth is great, because I don't. In fact, I think I'm done with the Remake trilogy at this point, personally.

I have no doubt the original Weapons will make a return in the finale.

I can't wait to play it but I wanna finish up everything in Like a Dragon first

ParanoidObsessive posted...

I mean, it is helly. The fact that he thinks it's great is probably a pretty clear indication that it's terrible.

lotta people still can't get it through their head that the series is a sequel to the ps1 game lmao

ConfusedTorchic posted...

lotta people still can't get it through their head that the series is a sequel to the ps1 game lmao

The games could have been a perfect 1:1 remake and fuckloads of people would still cry about it because Square decided to touch the Holy Cow that is FF7. I'm glad we're something new.

lovin it so far, combat is way more fun this time around.

Cruddy_horse posted...

The games could have been a perfect 1:1 remake and fuckloads of people would still cry about it because Square decided to touch the Holy Cow that is FF7. I'm glad we're something new.

i think it's better that it's new

a 1:1 remake are usually always boring if things aren't changed.

like i wouldn't have even bothered with the resident evil ones if they weren't different in more ways than just the gameplay

the demon souls remake was just flat out boring.

ConfusedTorchic posted...

lotta people still can't get it through their head that the series is a sequel to the ps1 game lmao

"Sequel" is an excuse at best - a cope. You can still judge sequels and prequels alike for being unfaithful to their respective source materials. On the flipside, Square saw the reception of Chrono Cross and said after the fact it wasn't a sequel to Trigger, as if that somehow made better the things Cross did wrong.

Cruddy_horse posted...

The games could have been a perfect 1:1 remake and fuckloads of people would still cry about it because Square decided to touch the Holy Cow that is FF7. I'm glad we're something new.

This, too, is an excuse. Some people just like being angry, and it's true you cannot please everyone even without those anger addicts. I'm confident the upgraded graphics and music, and the combat, would have been enough to make most og VII fans happy. Add a few details to the story to flesh out necessary parts or the connections between VII and its myriad of prequels and sequels? Sure, the og VII was not a perfect game. Remake and Rebirth underhanded and undermined as much as, if not more than, they improved.

Again, I liked Rebirth's story until the aforementioned parts. The addition of the card game was nice. Shinra storming Kalm to deal with your party made some sense, though what we see in Rebirth is a bit extreme in terms of the scale of said assault. Especially after the turmoil seen at the end of Midgar, where it also would have made sense for Shinra to regroup, lick their wounds, and deal with your party when the opportunity next arose. Having the extra scene of Reeve tampering with the wanted poster? Definitely welcome.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

I mean, it is helly. The fact that he thinks it's great is probably a pretty clear indication that it's terrible.

As true as this could be, it's also a logical fallacy to simply judge a thing based on who the other party is. Tallying a case as being typical behavior once it has been examined, however...

Humble_Novice posted...

I have no doubt the original Weapons will make a return in the finale.

I have no doubt the third part will say and do a lot of things in the first act or two to try and get on everyone's good graces and make critics forget what they were angry about, until the final act of the story comes along and tampers with elements it shouldn't have. And this may include a handwave to why Diamond, Emerald, Sapphire, and Ruby now look like their NA-localized og VII counterparts instead of like whales. That said, looking at what is left of the VII story as a source material, and what has been re-relegated or swept under the rug, I'm not sure how they'll pull it off unless the third part is either a 250 hour game or they pull a Xenogears and summarize a huge chunk of events with a powerpoint presentation.

Entity13 posted...

"Sequel" is an excuse at best - a cope

aside from the fact you have three different timelines running concurrently with repeated flashbacks to the original ps1 games timeline, with references to it to contrast with the changes, and the fact that they've straight up told us it was not going to be the same as the original, sure seems real sequel like to me.

I like when remakes change significant things; it gives the experience a fresh take that new players can enjoy while also respecting the original by not obsoleting it.

Remakes that disrespect the original by changing tiny things or making things worse are just horrible

ConfusedTorchic posted...

aside from the fact you have three different timelines running concurrently with repeated flashbacks to the original ps1 games timeline, with references to it to contrast with the changes, and the fact that they've straight up told us it was not going to be the same as the original, sure seems real sequel like to me.

No, you're just accepting the bait like a regular victim of con artists, whom you can do nothing about because they hide in a legitimate business building overseas. The "separate timelines" are more like pocket dimensions with parallels and familiar persons, all doomed to fall apart. Tales of Xillia 2 did this better. Rebirth feels like a flurry of handwaves and broken promises. Remake ended by telling us fate has been beaten back and changed, and now Zach and Biggs are alive as a result. Rebirth says they're just in a doomed pocket dimension, except Biggs dies anyways as soon as the probably-an-AI-writer realized there was no use for him in the story. And Aerith is awake there now, able to talk to Cloud in the Remake trilogy dimension after her living body is killed in a your-choices- and-actions- don't-matter- because-the- villain-somehow- stabbed-her-anyways moment. This indicates that the other "timelines" collapse over time, meaning that (if you WERE to assume a sequel) either og VII's timeline or the Remake timeline will also come undone, eventually, once its participants are all returned to the Lifestream of the primary dimension. No, really, that is what it means if you pay attention to what Aerith tells Cloud before the final chapter, as well as what Biggs tells Zach seconds before getting shot.

my guy, it is the most obvious thing that remake series is a sequel lmfao

all you have to do is play the thing

ConfusedTorchic posted...

my guy, it is the most obvious thing that remake series is a sequel lmfao

There's the cope again. And I'm not your guy.

ConfusedTorchic posted...

all you have to do is play the thing

I did play Remake, and watched the entire story (not anyone else's summary) of Rebirth. I paid attention in full. I didn't just cherry pick what I liked and called it a good day.

there's really nothing to cope about when it is a sequel

trying to cope would be trying to argue that it isn't, for some reason.

Ye-- a conversation's done when one side clams up as their only defense. You chose to disregard the points made and draw your little circles in the sand, so I'm out. Have fun with those circles, Helly.

Entity13 posted...

This, too, is an excuse. Some people just like being angry, and it's true you cannot please everyone even without those anger addicts.

Ironic

Entity13 posted...

Ye-- a conversation's done when one side clams up as their only defense. You chose to disregard the points made and draw your little circles in the sand, so I'm out. Have fun with those circles, Helly.

because your points are spoilers for me lmfao

which doesn't change that the entirety is irrelevant when the series is a sequel

all of your issues boil down to just you being unhappy that they decided to make it a sequel instead of a 1:1 remake.

the minigames in this game broke my r2 trigger

Finally got my copy. Amazon cancelled my order last Friday and I contacted customer support like yo what gives and they told me to cancel it and reorder and theyd get it to me asap. Never had that happen before. But at least I finally have it in my hands. Been sitting here for over an hour waiting for the install. 150 GB x_x

historically shipping for any square product is notoriously shitty, so it wouldn't surprise me to see it somehow extend to third parties also selling their products

I found a big glowing mushroom that said Mog all over it. :0

Also I went to bed last night fully intending to play more today. BAM woke up at 2AM sick and never went back to sleep. Ive vomited like 10 times x_x

drink lots of water, the planet needs u pcup

Finally feel well enough to play. I feel overwhelmed lol this game looks huge. Im only halfway done doing all the side activities in the Grasslands and Ive been here for like 5 hours.

11 hours in and Im just getting to Chapter 3. I beat Titan at Full Strength just to see if I could do it.

Chapter 5, just did the Queens Blood tournament. The part where the little boy sees Red dressed as a soldier and starts crying lol

that whole scene was excellent

one thing i really, really enjoy about the game is it slowly showing cloud gaining more and more personality

it happened in the original, too, but not very well for a myriad of reasons. in this one it's great. he goes from just being a stone wall to actually caring about people and leaning into jokes with them

i'm gonna try to not spoil much, but when you first get to the saucer, you'll be allowed to run around with whoever you have the most affinity with. this is NOT the date one, and i'm not even at that part yet myself, but if you do end up with aerith the first time around, make it a point to beeline to the chocobo racing area, that little conversation is fucking golden.

Weapon is already awake :0

sort of but yes

Im in the Gold Saucer. I am in love with this game lol

it's just as absurd and over the top as i always imagined it to be

It feels like I could spend a dozen hours here.

Like I said. I like the vast majority of the first two thirds of the game, even accounting for the minor changes I disagree with (as opposed to minor ones I do). But yeah, Rebirth's Gold Saucer is an expansive delight.

I'm not a huge fan of the mandatory mini-game sequences (I don't really like mini-games most of the time, though this is a YMMV thing and not an "it's objectively bad" thing, I'm sure a lot of people like it). I think the open world stuff was not great. The pacing is a mess just like the previous installment, a natural consequence of chopping a game up into 3 games.

Some of the changes to the story feel like sanitation: making it so Dyne doesn't threaten to kill Marlene and he doesn't commit suicide and they don't cover the belief that neither Dyne nor Barret deserve to hold Marlene because of the blood on their hands, making Cait Sith's betrayal less of a betrayal and he doesn't threaten Marlene (running theme here, huh), making Cid way less abrasive to the point where he feels like a different character entirely... oh, and while I liked the Gi sequence, it felt like it was awkwardly squashed into the Seto scene, I think that could have been executed better in a way that didn't mess with Nanaki's revelation about Seto. Also, wtf happened to the Tiny Bronco? Did I miss something? That was so weird.

Then in the late-game, the changes to the Temple of the Ancients were weird (why can the Cetra talk to everyone and not just Aerith?!) and then there's that bizarre sequence where Barret chucks the black materia, Cloud gets it back, then Aerith takes it from Cloud, then Cloud takes it from Aerith, then Cloud gives it to Sephiroth, and it's like... why? In the original Cloud loses complete control of himself and starts attacking Aerith, which is why she leaves; she knows he can't be trusted not to be violent with her again.

And then the whole ending sequence, yeesh. They seemed absolutely determined to suck all the weight out of that sequence, and again, they sanitized it, not showing the rather horrifying stabbing and withdrawing of the sword. There's stupid-ass ghosts obscuring everything and the game decides to insert a bunch of rule-of-cool multiverse fights... and we don't even see her being laid to rest.

Most of the above listed changes feel like they add nothing of value and are an active detriment in many respects. It's odd because when they nail things they really do nail them. There were a lot of story tweaks I really liked, some great details added and a lot of awkward parts of the original made better. A couple of examples: I liked how they introduced Yuffie to the party, they made a head-canon of mine regarding Nanaki full-on canon, I liked that they had little sequences with Reeve and made it so that he looked up Vincent as soon as they ran into him because Reeve's presence is sorely lacking during this arc of the story, it was a good idea to put those in. I think they did a good job of implementing Tifa and Cloud's complicated dynamic alongside the changes to the story in general. I liked the Gi sequence even though it was a bit awkwardly inserted. The Junon sequence was really entertaining even if it's really strange that no one recognizes the party as the terrorists prior to nabbing their disguises or after discarding them on the ship, it's a minor gripe that doesn't change the fact that the sequence was improved noticeably. In a way that makes the parts I don't like more disappointing, if that makes any sense. The multiverse stuff... people justify it by saying it's obviously going to pay off in the third installment and, sure, that's a possibility, but these games also do actually have to stand on their own, and in Rebirth, the multiverse content really hurts the late-game in particular. Zack literally contributed nothing worth noting to Rebirth at all.

Edit: Also I don't see the point in wasting time quibbling over whether it's a remake or a sequel. That's a very strange thing to get hung up on. Call it whatever you want. Who cares?

Gaawa_chan posted...

Also I don't see the point in wasting time quibbling over whether it's a remake or a sequel. That's a very strange thing to get hung up on. Call it whatever you want. Who cares?

In my case, it's less about the actual distinguishing the two terms, and more about how I feel that calling it a "sequel" is an excuse for the remake trilogy's infidelity toward the source material. There are good changes, ones that make sense or add something, but from the point with Dyne and onward, the changes shift into unnecessary or bad. Like you, and some others I've talked to, said about Dyne, it's like the developers actually missed the point from the original game; no amount of being a "sequel" really validates the change.

Also, you brought up the Gi. I thought the concept of fleshing them out was sort of neat, but by the time you're halfway through their sequence, they're beating you over the head with what's to come, and I'm left feeling sour over this filler. Like that time and resource could have been put towards something else. Then again, the time and resource spent on Not-Charlie-Sheen-from-Platoon and Zach, the underground facility in Nibelheim, the Whispers and Sephiroth doing their crap at the Gongaga reactor, and half of the Ancient Temple could have gone towards Cid's hometown and his plane being shot down, ALONG WITH HIS DREAMS AS IS HIS THEME IN THE OG AS A CHARACTER, rather than the engines going out because lol Vincent is too much weight. Instead we got the sanitized Cid rather than the salty, vulgar man with a broken dream. It's like the developers didn't know when to stop adding things until they got to Cid, and realized they needed to streamline the rest of the OG's first disc, by which I mean cut corners as all companies do when they use the word "streamline."

Yeah, the handling of Dyne was where Rebirth went downhill for me. The ending of Rebirth made me stop caring about the next installment, no matter how fun part of it may be. And seeing someone be like "lol it's a sequel, not a remake," just rubs me wrong.

well it is a sequel so lmfao

Im 53 hours in and I think I still have 3 big open world areas left. @_@ this game is fucking huge.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/867ab79a.jpg

these are the fuckin pits man

look at the deep V on dat cactus

Chapter 11. About 70 hours. I didnt do the hard mode for Gears and Gambits yet, and Im kind of worried about having to do it. >_>

Metalsonic66 posted...

Bewbs

Explain. I haven't played it.

Spoilers

Bazongas

papercup posted...

Chapter 11. About 70 hours. I didnt do the hard mode for Gears and Gambits yet, and Im kind of worried about having to do it. >_>

to be honest, I won by just zerg rushing everything, normal and hard and i didn't think it was very difficult

but, they did add difficulty options to that and fort condor, specifically, just recently, so i guess i just got lucky with whatever i did, i straight up don't know how to do the gears one even properly

I'm at 130 hours and still going. About to tackle Gilgamesh's Island next. After that I think I pretty much just have hard mode to do, and apparently there's some more simulator battles that are supposed to be really hard (battles with two summons?) which I apparently haven't unlocked yet. Not even sure how.

Is "Lost Number" in the game? That's a cool boss fight in the og