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bloodydeath0
03/12/24 9:59:37 AM
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Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the enormous swath of content we were given, but part of the charm of the OG is it was one continuous game.

If we could import save files over, then maybe that's a different story. Instead there's zero carry over and it's sort of an awkward generic handoff. I get this is typically how these games with sequels work, but already having the OG be one game just makes it feel a bit worse. Mass Effect had lots of narrative and character stuff carry over, while also allowing you to reboot your choices if you wanted to. And honestly what psycho is playing Rebirth without playing Remake first

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TMOG
03/12/24 10:00:08 AM
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So play the original, it still exists
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CheshireSimper
03/12/24 10:15:05 AM
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I was onboard until I realized that the save files don't transfer from part to part. Really kills a big part of the RPG for me.
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WingsOfGood
03/12/24 10:18:51 AM
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People actually thought progress would carry over? How naive. Was obvious when parts announced this wouldn't happen.
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the_real_Naruto
03/12/24 10:22:30 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
People actually thought progress would carry over? How naive. Was obvious when parts announced this wouldn't happen.

For something like Dot Hack its much more simple since they aren't as big in budget but these games were always going to have big budgets and probably take too long and with console generations getting shorter and shorter it would be a little too daring because what if the PS6 isn't backwards compatible or can hold save data?

People who only have a PS4 won't be able to play the second part anyway sadly.

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CheshireSimper
03/12/24 10:24:23 AM
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the_real_Naruto posted...
what if the PS6 isn't backwards compatible or can hold save data?

You frame this like it's a technical hurdle but it's not at all.

They could have absolutely done this but chose not to.
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OzNarcissus
03/12/24 10:24:59 AM
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CheshireSimper posted...
I was onboard until I realized that the save files don't transfer from part to part. Really kills a big part of the RPG for me.


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Dakimakura
03/12/24 10:25:21 AM
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Just imagine you are playing 3 discs but are really fat so you can only change the disc every few years.

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MrMojoRising
03/12/24 10:27:34 AM
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Interesting. I didn't think that many people thought progress would carry over. That's a very rare thing in sequels, especially these days.

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ViewtifulJoe
03/12/24 10:28:36 AM
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Maybe they'll tape all the parts together in one big game a few years after the last one comes out.
FF7 remake remastered.

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BucketCat
03/12/24 10:29:18 AM
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well, the original was 3 discs so I guess it makes sense....but so far, they're averaging 2 remake parts per original game disc.

what if remake is 6 parts? lol.

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GuerrillaSoldier
03/12/24 10:30:26 AM
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i don't think it's lowkey at all
it sucks that any game is broken into parts. it sucked when it was announced. it just took years for everyone to finally come to terms with it. but no one actually likes this shit, we just deal with the shit we're handed.


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CheshireSimper
03/12/24 10:31:19 AM
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MrMojoRising posted...
Interesting. I didn't think that many people thought progress would carry over. That's a very rare thing in sequels, especially these days.

It's a remake of a single RPG, an RPG where actions at different parts of the game lead to a different set of available characters, where there exist many points along the game where you need to do various forms of long grinding and collecting to get particular rewards.

Having a continuous save is a pretty obvious thing to expect.
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Jupiter
03/12/24 10:32:32 AM
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MrMojoRising posted...
Interesting. I didn't think that many people thought progress would carry over. That's a very rare thing in sequels, especially these days.
This. Honestly, before people were complaining about this, I'm not sure if I had even heard of any sequels ever carrying over progress. I understand the .hack games do, but overall, it's a VERY small percentage of sequels that carry over vs don't. I have definitely never played any that did, and I've played a lot of games in my life.

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Jupiter
03/12/24 10:33:23 AM
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CheshireSimper posted...
It's a remake of a single RPG, an RPG where actions at different parts of the game lead to a different set of available characters, where there exist many points along the game where you need to do various forms of long grinding and collecting to get particular rewards.

Having a continuous save is a pretty obvious thing to expect.
Not when the games are treated as 3 completely separate titles and was stated that there wouldn't be any carryover.

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MrMojoRising
03/12/24 10:33:48 AM
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CheshireSimper posted...
It's a remake of a single RPG, an RPG where actions at different parts of the game lead to a different set of available characters, where there exist many points along the game where you need to do various forms of long grinding and collecting to get particular rewards.

Having a continuous save is a pretty obvious thing to expect.


Did you not play Remake? Wasn't it obvious that they weren't making the same game?

I mean I can understand being disappointed that it doesn't include it, but to heavily expect it when no one told you it was going to be there based on your own preconceptions seems...like a choice.

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pauIie
03/12/24 10:34:44 AM
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i was on board until i played rebirth. going from junon to getting the buggy took me 40 fucking hours. that's like 2 hours in the og?

the bloat these games have is ludicrous.

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CheshireSimper
03/12/24 10:35:26 AM
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Despite what fanboys say, no, it is not absurd to expect a remake of an RPG to include a save file to track your progress through the RPG.

Maybe if you didn't play the original and thought: "square is releasing a new series based off of an old game".

But that's not what anybody anticipating a remake would have wanted or expected a priori.
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Jerry_Hellyeah
03/12/24 10:37:50 AM
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MrMojoRising posted...
Did you not play Remake? Wasn't it obvious that they weren't making the same game?

I mean I can understand being disappointed that it doesn't include it, but to heavily expect it when no one told you it was going to be there based on your own preconceptions seems...like a choice.

It's very fucking normal to think progress carries over between parts, yeah. Cut the psychiatrist schtick.

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CheshireSimper
03/12/24 10:43:16 AM
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The real reason they didn't want saves to carry over, I expect, is that they didn't want the sales of each game to be constrained to those who have beaten each previous installment. Not any backwards compatability bullshit that could probably be fixed with a python script and 30 minutes of forethought.
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Jerry_Hellyeah
03/12/24 10:46:18 AM
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CheshireSimper posted...
The real reason they didn't want saves to carry over, I expect, is that they didn't want the sales of each game to be constrained to those who have beaten each previous installment. Not any backwards compatability bullshit that could probably be fixed with a python script and 30 minutes of forethought.

I'm sure you're right, as funny as the idea of Final Fantasy 7 Disc 2 being its own standalone product is.

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gmanthebest
03/12/24 10:51:11 AM
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Probably could've been two parts if they got rid of the unnecessary bloat

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Foppe
03/12/24 10:56:11 AM
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the_real_Naruto posted...
For something like Dot Hack its much more simple since they aren't as big in budget but these games were always going to have big budgets and probably take too long and with console generations getting shorter and shorter it would be a little too daring because what if the PS6 isn't backwards compatible or can hold save data?
They can transfer savefiles with a Cloud save service.
Why would the PS6 not be able to hold save data?

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bloodydeath0
03/12/24 11:02:03 AM
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TMOG posted...
So play the original, it still exists
Funny thing is, I definitely will. But I never see myself returning to FF7 remake trio because of how the adventure feels so sequestered.

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TMOG
03/12/24 11:03:07 AM
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So just curious, how many other RPG franchises can you think of where progress can be carried over directly from title to title

You don't get to say .hack since it's already been mentioned several times as the only example
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CheshireSimper
03/12/24 11:06:10 AM
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TMOG posted...
So just curious, how many other RPG franchises can you think of where progress can be carried over directly from title to title

You don't get to say .hack since it's already been mentioned several times as the only example

This is a remake of a single game. How many RPGs make you start from a generic save after disk swap?
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SilvosForever
03/12/24 11:09:45 AM
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Eh who knows. They might release a compilation/trilogy version of it all years later where there's a more unified experience. Either way, it's not a huge deal.

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bloodydeath0
03/12/24 11:13:28 AM
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CheshireSimper posted...
This is a remake of a single game. How many RPGs make you start from a generic save after disk swap?
Right, this is the thing that makes this situation unique. There wasn't much "expectation" to make an RPG have full carry-over to it's sequel, but there's precedence here where it was once more or less that way in the original.

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RetuenOfDevsman
03/12/24 11:17:16 AM
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My plan has always been to wait until the FF7R Complete Collection comes out and goes on sale a few years later.
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the_real_Naruto
03/12/24 11:22:12 AM
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Foppe posted...
They can transfer savefiles with a Cloud save service.
Why would the PS6 not be able to hold save data?

regarding PS5 data I mean. Or anything older. I don't know, I'm just coming up with theories is all.

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Jupiter
03/12/24 11:34:45 AM
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bloodydeath0 posted...
Right, this is the thing that makes this situation unique. There wasn't much "expectation" to make an RPG have full carry-over to it's sequel, but there's precedence here where it was once more or less that way in the original.
The original didn't have carryover because it was 1 game. The disc swap doesn't change that. It's still one game. The Remake trilogy is not 1 game. Even though it's based on FF7, it's still NOT FF7 and is its own thing. And each title is a completely standalone game.

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Tora_Sami
03/12/24 11:39:02 AM
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CheshireSimper posted...
You frame this like it's a technical hurdle but it's not at all.

They could have absolutely done this but chose not to.

This, would have been easy to do. Just a easy item transfer. It's not like your not going to get better equipment. People who have a precious save may have a boost because of leveled equipment but it's not like it will carry them through the whole game. just put a level cap on the save data or something.

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EndOfDiscOne
03/12/24 11:39:50 AM
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They should charge $20 for each game

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TMOG
03/12/24 11:43:13 AM
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CheshireSimper posted...
This is a remake of a single game. How many RPGs make you start from a generic save after disk swap?
Oh cool just not answering the question then

bloodydeath0 posted...
There wasn't much "expectation" to make an RPG have full carry-over to it's sequel, but there's precedence here where it was once more or less that way in the original.
FF7's multiple discs weren't sequels to itself, they were the same game. The Remake trilogy is not one game, hence the word "trilogy" being used. Rebirth is a sequel to Remake, not the same game.

So, no, there's no precedent.
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thisworld
03/12/24 11:44:31 AM
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TMOG posted...
So just curious, how many other RPG franchises can you think of where progress can be carried over directly from title to title

You don't get to say .hack since it's already been mentioned several times as the only example

Pokemon
Mass Effect
The Witcher
Quest for Glory
Wizardry
Baldur's Gate 1, 2
Dragon Age
Champions of Norrath
Xenoverse
Golden Sun
Pillars of Eternity
Banner Saga
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CheshireSimper
03/12/24 11:45:08 AM
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You're not trying to have a conversation here. You are defending something. I have much less interest in participating in that.
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ButteryMales
03/12/24 11:47:31 AM
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TMOG posted...
The Remake trilogy is not one game, hence the word "trilogy" being used.
Is Square-Enix calling it a trilogy? I don't watch promotional stuff.
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TMOG
03/12/24 11:57:07 AM
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CheshireSimper posted...
You're not trying to have a conversation here. You are defending something. I have much less interest in participating in that.
You're not trying to have a conversation either, you're just attacking something.

ButteryMales posted...
Is Square-Enix calling it a trilogy? I don't watch promotional stuff.
They didn't initially call it a trilogy because they weren't sure how many parts it would be at the time of announcement, but always referred to it as a "series" and not a single game. IIRC it was a couple years ago that they officially confirmed it was going to be three games in total.
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WingsOfGood
03/12/24 11:59:49 AM
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It is not a trilogy.
Attack on Titan ensing is not a trilogy.

There is a reason it is called part 1, part 2.
It is parts of a whole not a trilogy.
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bloodydeath0
03/12/24 12:01:12 PM
#40:


TMOG posted...
FF7's multiple discs weren't sequels to itself, they were the same game. The Remake trilogy is not one game, hence the word "trilogy" being used. Rebirth is a sequel to Remake, not the same game.

So, no, there's no precedent.
I understand that. The precedent is that originally FF7's complete story was told in one continuous game. The remake is all sequels/new games. The discussion at hand is that the difference between those two situations sucks.

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CheshireSimper
03/12/24 12:02:41 PM
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TMOG posted...
You're not trying to have a conversation either, you're just attacking something.

If you view my posts as attacking, the issue lies with you.
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TMOG
03/12/24 12:03:39 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
It is not a trilogy.
Attack on Titan ensing is not a trilogy.

There is a reason it is called part 1, part 2.
It is parts of a whole not a trilogy.
*holds head in hands*

Part 3 isn't out yet... that's why they're called 1 and 2...
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WingsOfGood
03/12/24 12:05:01 PM
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TMOG posted...
*holds head in hands*

Part 3 isn't out yet... that's why they're called 1 and 2...

False.
It is because they are parts.
You cannot call that a trilogy.
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TMOG
03/12/24 12:06:30 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
False.
It is because they are parts.
You cannot call that a trilogy.
It's a planned trilogy of which two parts are currently released.

You remember how everybody was referring to Star Wars 7-9 as the "sequel trilogy" before all three movies were out?
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WingsOfGood
03/12/24 12:06:41 PM
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There is no Hobbit trilogy.
This is because it is all parts of one whole despite 3 movies.

There is however a Lotr trilogy.

Learn critical thinking please.
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TMOG
03/12/24 12:07:14 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
There is no Hobbit trilogy.
This is because it is all parts of one whole despite 3 movies.

There is however a Lotr trilogy.

Learn critical thinking please.
Holy shit I can't even start with this post

Just

Holy shit
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WingsOfGood
03/12/24 12:09:05 PM
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TMOG posted...
Holy shit I can't even start with this post

Just

Holy shit

Then you lack critical thinking. Are you like in highschool or something?
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TMOG
03/12/24 12:10:23 PM
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I honestly don't know how you've gone so long without being on my block list but I'm correcting that today before you have another embarrassing melty
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CARRRNE_ASADA
03/12/24 12:14:35 PM
#49:


BucketCat posted...
well, the original was 3 discs so I guess it makes sense....but so far, they're averaging 2 remake parts per original game disc.

what if remake is 6 parts? lol.

3 discs over FMVs, not gameplay. All those jrpgs were multiple discs solely out of FMVs and not how big the games were.

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WingsOfGood
03/12/24 12:15:11 PM
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Imagine being exposed by the simplest of logic such that you rage and block someone and announce it to boot.
All because you can't comprehend the difference between a part and a whole.
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