Current Events > IGN says Resident Evil 5 can't be remade, only re-written. Because it's racist.

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viewmaster_pi
03/16/24 3:43:23 PM
#101:


i can agree the tribal part is... questionable, but god damn is it a cool portion of the game. the huge club guys in their freaky war masks, the rafts and crocodiles, and all the village structures and mechanisms, everything looks amazing. it'd be a shame to lose it in a potential remake, but i get it

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creativerealms
03/16/24 5:26:41 PM
#102:


Drrobotniks posted...
just like anything can be racist to somebody
That's also true but not exactly what I mean.

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St0rmFury
03/16/24 10:53:46 PM
#103:


Ok fine, forget RE6 and remake Code Veronica then.

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Samurai_Man
03/16/24 10:57:06 PM
#104:


Typical IGN doing anything and everything to stir shit and remain relevant.

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dave_is_slick
03/16/24 11:51:38 PM
#105:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Yes. It was stupid then, it's stupid now.

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03/17/24 3:01:04 AM
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03/17/24 4:02:07 AM
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Foppe
03/17/24 4:37:43 AM
#106:


Cant spell IGNorance without IGN.

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Zwijn
03/17/24 4:41:01 AM
#107:


Why the fuck does IGN still change regions? NOBODY reads their regional version.
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pegusus123456
03/17/24 4:41:28 AM
#108:


St0rmFury posted...
Ok fine, forget RE6 and remake Code Veronica then.
The crossdressing sociopath who wants to fuck his sister might also cause an IGN article lol

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Zwijn
03/17/24 4:41:55 AM
#109:


pegusus123456 posted...
The crossdressing sociopath who wants to fuck his sister might also cause an IGN article lol
But enough about Monster.
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Kradek
03/17/24 4:42:58 AM
#110:


One of the earliest scenes in that game, when you first reach the town, is the one white woman in Africa busting through a door and then being dragged back into a house by a black guy (zombie).

I don't have a whole lot of examples of racism in that game, or things that would lead to the accusation, however I'll never forget that scene.

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Sufferedphoenix
03/17/24 4:58:04 AM
#111:


Kradek posted...
One of the earliest scenes in that game, when you first reach the town, is the one white woman in Africa busting through a door and then being dragged back into a house by a black guy (zombie).

I don't have a whole lot of examples of racism in that game, or things that would lead to the accusation, however I'll never forget that scene.

Don't see how that would be racist. Rednecks are more known for domestic abuse

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pegusus123456
03/17/24 5:05:55 AM
#112:


Sufferedphoenix posted...
Don't see how that would be racist
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/b388590a.jpg

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Punished_Blinx
03/17/24 5:09:35 AM
#113:


The easiest solution is for Capcom to hire Sweet Baby.

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Sufferedphoenix
03/17/24 5:10:53 AM
#114:


pegusus123456 posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/b388590a.jpg

As said rednecks are more known for domestic abuse. I actually don't recall ever seeing domestic abuse thrown around as a black stereotype.

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Zwijn
03/17/24 5:12:14 AM
#115:


Punished_Blinx posted...
The easiest solution is for Capcom to hire Sweet Baby.
Wouldnt change much, the only reason many of their franchises arent being targeted by chuds is because of their age. Street Fighter, a celebration of WORLD warriors, would be called woke and SF6 is on their radar because of certain characters already.
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pegusus123456
03/17/24 5:21:04 AM
#116:


Sufferedphoenix posted...
As said rednecks are more known for domestic abuse. I actually don't recall ever seeing domestic abuse thrown around as a black stereotype.
A bunch of black men accosting a white woman is definitely a racist stereotype

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Sufferedphoenix
03/17/24 5:27:31 AM
#117:


pegusus123456 posted...
A bunch of black men accosting a white woman is definitely a racist stereotype

Oh my bad I someone else missed thr word white.

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Drrobotniks
03/17/24 5:28:13 AM
#118:


pegusus123456 posted...
A bunch of black men accosting a white woman is definitely a racist stereotype
thank God that's not the case then, huh
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Zwijn
03/17/24 5:32:38 AM
#120:


I see how that one scene could be considered racist but I also feel that if you immediately see that as intentionally racist the problem lies more with the viewer.
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pegusus123456
03/17/24 5:34:27 AM
#121:


Drrobotniks posted...
thank God that's not the case then, huh
My bad, it was just the one dude grabbing her. I misread the initial post describing it.

Zwijn posted...
I see how that one scene could be considered racist but I also feel that if you immediately see that as intentionally racist the problem lies more with the viewer.
I don't think Capcom was being intentionally racist at all, but it's hard to argue that certain things in the game aren't a bad look.

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Drrobotniks
03/17/24 5:36:21 AM
#122:


pegusus123456 posted...
My bad, it was just the one dude grabbing her. I misread the initial post describing it.
No worries man, if it was a group then I'd be more inclined to agree with you, yes
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Kradek
03/17/24 5:37:46 AM
#123:


Zwijn posted...
I see how that one scene could be considered racist but I also feel that if you immediately see that as intentionally racist the problem lies more with the viewer.

The fact she's the one white woman shown in that entire village, and I think maybe even the whole game, is too on the nose.

More like people are intentionally dismissing it because they don't want to think deeply about it or insist there's no issue merely because that's the desired outcome they want.

It's tone deaf at best, enforcing the recreation of racial stereotypes that has led to many U.S. black men dying because they think it's humorous at worst.

I don't know if you know this, however the Japanese have a history of using racial stereotypes in their games.

It's no big deal to them because it's not actually a part of their history, so they can flippantly make jokes about it. Also the nation has a history of being racist/xenophobic in general, however I'm not attributing that to all of them, just saying it's rather well-documented.

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Zwijn
03/17/24 5:41:53 AM
#124:


Kradek posted...
The fact she's the one white woman shown in that entire village, and I think maybe even the whole game, is too on the nose.

More like people are intentionally dismissing it because they don't want to think deeply about it or insist there's no issue merely because that's the desired outcome they want.

It's tone deaf at best, enforcing the recreation of racial stereotypes that has led to many U.S. black men dying because they think it's humorous at worst.

I don't know if you know this, however the Japanese have a history of using racial stereotypes in their games.

It's no big deal to them because it's not actually a part of their history, so they can flippantly make jokes about it. Also the nation has a history of being racist/xenophobic in general, however I'm not attributing that to all of them, just saying it's rather well-documented.
I know a lot about racial stereotypes in Japanese games. I come from a country that is just as bad, if not worse, at this. I simply do not think that Capcom of all devs would be intentionally racist.
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Revelation34
03/17/24 5:47:55 AM
#125:


Gwynevere posted...

That's not even the right person. You look like a clown lmao


Yes it is. The only results for googling his name are both pictures posted in the thread.

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Drrobotniks
03/17/24 5:48:22 AM
#126:


Kradek posted...
and I think maybe even the whole game, is too on the nose.
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Kradek posted...
More like people are intentionally dismissing it because they don't want to think deeply about it or insist there's no issue merely because that's the desired outcome they want.

Or maybe because there is no racism and people dont want to insert it where it doesn't exist
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pegusus123456
03/17/24 5:51:22 AM
#127:


Revelation34 posted...
Yes it is. The only results for googling his name are both pictures posted in the thread.
My dude, that is a gay guy from TikTok who makes recipes from old-ass cookbooks.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dynZWsDfJRg

Maybe the right one is him, I don't know.


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Revelation34
03/17/24 5:53:24 AM
#128:


pegusus123456 posted...

My dude, that is a gay guy from TikTok who makes recipes from old-ass cookbooks.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dynZWsDfJRg

Maybe the right one is him, I don't know.



Both of the pics come up when googling his name plus IGN.

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pegusus123456
03/17/24 5:57:59 AM
#129:


Revelation34 posted...
Both of the pics come up when googling his name plus IGN.
Yeah, my dude, that doesn't matter because the dude in that picture is very obviously B. Dylan Hollis, a guy born and raised in Bermuda, and not Matt Purslow, some flavor of British.

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Revelation34
03/17/24 5:59:15 AM
#130:


pegusus123456 posted...

Yeah, my dude, that doesn't matter because the dude in that picture is very obviously B. Dylan Hollis, a guy born and raised in Bermuda, and not Matt Purslow, some flavor of British.


Prove Google wrong then.

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pegusus123456
03/17/24 6:01:42 AM
#131:


Revelation34 posted...
Prove Google wrong then.
Google isn't wrong, you just can't read. It's showing that picture because Purslow shared a video of Hollis on his twitter account. Google also shows a picture of Cloud Strife and Rafaam, SUPREME ARCHAEOLOGIST, when you search for his name.

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UnfairRepresent
03/17/24 10:00:47 AM
#133:


Looks like CE is relatively decided that Resident Evil 5 is not racist

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Jiek_Fafn
03/17/24 10:10:07 AM
#134:


pegusus123456 posted...
Google isn't wrong, you just can't read. It's showing that picture because Purslow shared a video of Hollis on his twitter account. Google also shows a picture of Cloud Strife and Rafaam, SUPREME ARCHAEOLOGIST, when you search for his name.
This is him
It's literally the first Google images result
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3982309c.jpg

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Revelation34
03/17/24 10:28:27 AM
#135:


Jiek_Fafn posted...

This is him
It's literally the first Google images result
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3982309c.jpg


That's the image I meant by second image. It's clearly the same person in the first one too.

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Dungeater
03/17/24 10:33:47 AM
#136:


theres an entire stretch of game where the infected go native and revert to tribal clothes and weapons

i understand the game isnt overtly and actively racist, but at the very least can we as gamers acknowledge that this may have been in poor taste

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VIIVincent
03/17/24 10:39:22 AM
#137:


Dungeater posted...
theres an entire stretch of game where the infected go native and revert to tribal clothes and weapons

i understand the game isnt overtly and actively racist, but at the very least can we as gamers acknowledge that this may have been in poor taste
No. It's one of the best parts of the game. You go underground in ancient ruins and solving puzzles tomb raider style. How is that in poor taste? The rest of the game isn't that detailed and became Chris VS Wesker. We spent most of the time after that fighting enemies with guns. Pretty boring after that.

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SrRobotniks
03/17/24 10:40:30 AM
#138:


Dungeater posted...
but at the very least can we as gamers acknowledge that this may have been in poor taste
what? no its not
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pnut027
03/17/24 10:41:04 AM
#139:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Resident Evil 5 is actually the Resident Evil most in need of a remake. A whole new environmental structure and scenario design that reigns in the action and dials up the horror would bring it in line with capcom's of remakes but all of this doesn't account for Resident Evil 5's most notorious problem: Racism.

All in set in a fictional West African country Resident Evil 5's primary antagonists are black people. Yes it's technically the Oroborus virus that protagonist Chris Redfield is fighting but the parasite's host is depicted as a nation of mobs and Primitives who are violent even before their infection. Intentionally or not Resident Evil 5 positioned Africa as the Dark Continent an uncivilized World harboring a diseased population that needs gunning down via Western intervention in the name of Global Security.

This insensitive treatment of people of color was hotly debated even as early as Resident Evil 5's debut trailer with writers such as eni croll and Steven totillo pointing out the game's uncomfortable postcolonial imagery the arguments and think pieces continued well into the game's release window with IGN's own former editor-in Chief Hillary Goldstein having also wrestled with the subject but that was 2009 a time when race was apparently a debate rather than a reality.

In the 2020s in a post black lives matter World there is only one acceptable response to a white man shooting waves of Africans for an entire video game: "No."

There is one thing I do. I have a job to do and I'm going to see it through remakes may be able to redefine their Source material but there's only so many changes you can make until it's not a remake at all but an entirely new game and if you take Africa out of Resident Evil 5 is it Resident Evil 5 anymore even with a vastly improved more sensitive take on the continent, perhaps one with a black protagonist and a more empathetic look at the outbreak The Experience would simply be too divorced from the original to hold the name Resident Evil 5.

So where does Capcom go now? Personally I'd look backwards code Veronica is an ideal candidate as is the original Resident Evil but if the only way is chronologically forward then a total rewrite of what comes next is the logical path because what followed Resident Evil 4 was not one terrible game but two.

Resident Evil 6 double down no triple down on the action-packed setpiece heavy shooter design to the extent that much of it could be mistaken for a third person Call of Duty spin-off were it not for the monsters its restrictive level design practically puts you in a choke hold forcing you to endure a barrage of bombastic moments that have no interest in evoking any sense of fear Resident Evil 6 is a survival horror only in that it's a horrible game that you have to survivelaying but this time around it doesn't have to be like that.

Capcom now has the opportunity to ignore the past and completely reinvent this chunk of the timeline. In Resident Evil 4 remakes post-credit scene evil mastermind Albert Wesker details his plans for world domination to ad Wong reflected in his glasses is an image of excel gon and the stairway of the sun two significant plot.

Elements from Resident Evil 5 which indicates capcom's intentions butthere's more to consider this scene is largely a replication of the sequence from assignment ADA a non-canon chapter from the original Resident Evil 4 it shift from unofficial to Cannon points to a willingness to change furthermore the end of this scene is completely

Rewritten when learning of wesker's plans rather than dutifully deliver the stolen last plaga sample to to him Ada betrays her shadowy boss and forces her helicopter to turn around. In this moment unclear Capcom has given itself the freedom to do whatever it wants I just hope it's not a remake of Resident Evil 5

Full Article: https://www.ign.com/videos/the-resident-evil-game-that-cant-be-remade

https://youtu.be/IMY4LwVIypU?si=Qe_WfhonHA0-fM_j

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/1/1/AAZiH8AAC4uD.jpg https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/2e71b70e.jpg

Reminder that IGN gave it 9/10 lol
Did the same person who gave it a 9/10 also call it racist?

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Dungeater
03/17/24 10:41:32 AM
#140:


VIIVincent posted...
No. It's one of the best parts of the game. You go underground in ancient ruins and solving puzzles tomb raider style
i have like 500 something hours on the game and the worst part is always 3-1 to 5-1 like are u actually kidding

ive seen people claim some stupid shit out of spite in my day but come on now. this is like eating a log of shit in front of me and thru gritted teeth saying "yummers"

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Baron_Ox
03/17/24 10:41:59 AM
#141:


^ it's because the zombies dressed similarly to the first enemies you faced in the game.

they only started dressing "like their ancestors" once they became more infected, which doesn't make any sense.

edit: at post 137

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Dungeater
03/17/24 10:42:16 AM
#142:


SrRobotniks posted...
what? no its not
1 amp etc

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SrRobotniks
03/17/24 10:43:14 AM
#143:


Baron_Ox posted...
which doesn't make any sense.
expecting sense in a video game?

Dungeater posted...
1 amp etc
has nothing to do with what i said, awesome
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Dungeater
03/17/24 10:44:43 AM
#144:


Baron_Ox posted...
^ it's because the zombies dressed similarly to the first enemies you faced in the game.

they only started dressing "like their ancestors" once they became more infected, which doesn't make any sense.

edit: at post 137
that guy deliberately ignored the tribal thing to drag responses outta ppl jsyk

SrRobotniks posted...
expecting sense in a video game?

has nothing to do with what i said, awesome
2 amp etc

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Baron_Ox
03/17/24 10:44:53 AM
#145:


SrRobotniks posted...
expecting sense in a video game?
I know the real world reason - they thought it would be cool to use stereotypical views of Africans, but in the game, it doesn't have any kind of logic supporting it.

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Baron_Ox
03/17/24 10:45:25 AM
#146:


Dungeater posted...
that guy deliberately ignored the tribal thing to drag responses outta ppl jsyk
truu

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SrRobotniks
03/17/24 10:46:07 AM
#147:


Baron_Ox posted...
they thought it would be cool to use stereotypical views of Africans, but in the game, it doesn't have any kind of logic supporting it.
Did they say that, or are you assuming?
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Smackems
03/17/24 10:50:57 AM
#148:


megamanfreakXD posted...
Sounds about right. Everything is racist nowadays.


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Baron_Ox
03/17/24 10:51:26 AM
#149:


whether it's an assumption that they did it because they thought it's cool, or not, there's no denying they were exploiting the imagery.

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Dungeater
03/17/24 10:53:07 AM
#150:


how is this an "everything is racist nowadays" situation smackems? they literally wrote in that the virus makes the Africans revert to their tribal ancestors and they spend chapters fighting u with sticks and rocks while making whooping noises and wearing wood painted overly long masks

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