Board 8 > Dragon's Dogma 2 currently at 'Mostly Negative' on Steam

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KamikazePotato
03/21/24 11:34:45 PM
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Negative reviews cite Denuvo, poor performance/optimization, and heavy microtransactions for a full-price game.

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GranzonEx
03/21/24 11:40:10 PM
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I've seen people on reddit complain about struggling to run this game on a 13900k+4090

That's just fucking ridiculous

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Zigzagoon
03/21/24 11:43:34 PM
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Welp! That made my decision easy for me. Looks like I'll be saving my money on this one and just get Eiyuden Chronicles next month.

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Wanglicious
03/21/24 11:43:41 PM
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i'm sure it'll be better in 6 months.
after denuvo's gone that is. then they'll switch to Enigma but everyone will get to test how it is with and without DRM again.

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UshiromiyaEva
03/21/24 11:43:49 PM
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Are you sure it's not just a bunch of Incels putting it on that Sweet Baby list or something?

The new Monster Hunter was put on that list and is already in the negatives even those it's not out for like a year.

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ChaosTonyV4
03/21/24 11:44:58 PM
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GranzonEx posted...
I've seen people on reddit complain about struggling to run this game on a 13900k+4090

That's just fucking ridiculous

WHAT

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KamikazePotato
03/21/24 11:45:49 PM
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UshiromiyaEva posted...
Are you sure it's not just a bunch of Incels putting it on that Sweet Baby list or something?

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2054970/Dragons_Dogma_2/#app_reviews_hash

The top review states this:
$1.99 to edit your character appearance in a single-player game after spending $80.00. Your character appearance is on their servers so deleting your save files from \STEAM\userdata\NUMBER\2054970\remote\win64_save and making edits within the character creator, even with Cloud saves off, does not apply to your in-game character.

Assuming that's true, it's pretty damning imo.

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Paratroopa1
03/21/24 11:46:36 PM
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Basically every Capcom game is getting review bombed to shit and back on Steam so it's probably worth taking with at least a little grain of salt
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KamikazePotato
03/21/24 11:46:53 PM
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Was putting together a compatibility guide for playing the game under Linux/Steam Deck which required me to use various Proton versions. Apparently each of these counted as an individual PC and triggered the Denuvo tamper protection. Now I can't play at all on any of my systems for the crime of trying to help more users enjoy the game.

Pay-to-Win and Anti-consumer Practices by CAPCOM
Capcom hid behind a review embargo until the Release Date.
A list of Pay-to-Win items appeared on the Steam store page on the Release Date.
Pre-order exclusives (now unavailable) were attached to the Release Date.
Pay-to-Win Items
Portcrystal - Warp Location Marker
Obtain a Portcrystal, which can be set at a destination of your choice. Use a Ferrystone to instantly transport your party to the Portcrystal's location.
Wakestone - Restore the dead to life!
Gain one Wakestone, a stone ensorceled with miraculous magick. Formed of Wakestone shards, it holds the power to restore the dead to life once.
[X] Rift Crystals - Points to Spend Beyond the Rift
Gain [X] rift crystals, which can be used to hire pawns or purchase special items.
Unable to Start a New Character on PC
There is no option in game to start a new game or delete the current save file.
Once you create a character, you are stuck with your created character and must purchase Art of Metamorphosis - Character Editor to change it.
I looked online for ways to delete save files on PC, but I was unable to delete Cloud Saves from logging into Steam on a browser.
After deleting a save file on your PC, the Cloud Save will replace the deleted save file.
CAPCOM has demonstrated a high level of disrespect for their players, and I am processing a refund.

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Paratroopa1
03/21/24 11:46:55 PM
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That said the game probably does suck
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MoogleKupo141
03/21/24 11:50:58 PM
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i bought it a couple hours ago on Xbox, there was like a $10 more expensive version with a bunch of in-game items

but it seems kind of antithetical to the design of the game/what people are generally looking to get out of it. I do not want the rock of make things easier or whatever, I want the true experience.

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Grand_Kirby
03/21/24 11:51:43 PM
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Am I the only person who never edits their player character after making it?

Like, it should be free, but also I've never had that problem in the first place.

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KamikazePotato
03/21/24 11:51:45 PM
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Started the game. Made a character. Once I actually started the game and saw how the characters moved I didn't like the character. Wanted to restart/delete that save to try again. Turns out you can't restart your save file. Turns out you can't actually edit your characters appearance.

I can't get over this character creation thing honestly. The 'make the game easier' DLC is whatever, I can just avoid it, but this one is absurdly scummy.

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GranzonEx
03/21/24 11:52:53 PM
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...
WHAT
Many are reporting their FPS dipping below 60 while in highly populated towns and are now just killing NPCs to get higher frames. Shit is so wild lmao. Not to mention charging you real money to fast travel and edit your character LOL

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KamikazePotato
03/21/24 11:52:57 PM
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Grand_Kirby posted...
Am I the only person who never edits their player character after making it?

Like, it should be free, but also I've never had that problem in the first place.
Well it also extends to situations like:

Character stuck in the floor. Cant reload as it auto saved. Cant delete character and make a new one. Off to a really bad start.|

!!EDIT: I fixed it. There is infact a way to delete the save game and start over HERE
C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\userdata\ [your steam user id]\2054970\remote\win64_save
(assuming steams main folder is on your C drive)

Delete the most recent ones. For me it was the top 3. Then go back to steam and disable cloud storage. I hope this helps lads

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ChaosTonyV4
03/21/24 11:53:19 PM
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MoogleKupo141 posted...
i bought it a couple hours ago on Xbox, there was like a $10 more expensive version with a bunch of in-game items

but it seems kind of antithetical to the design of the game/what people are generally looking to get out of it. I do not want the rock of make things easier or whatever, I want the true experience.

If it's like the original game, all those pre-order bonus items are earnable in game, and upgraded unlimited use versions of them will come out with the inevitable expansion, making them completely irrelevant.

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UshiromiyaEva
03/21/24 11:55:37 PM
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Solution.

Don't play games on PC!

Never works out.

(kidding this all sounds like ass)

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MoogleKupo141
03/21/24 11:57:03 PM
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ok not being able to wipe your save entirely is pretty crazy (I guess it could create problems with the pawns being an online thing and other players being able to use your pawns, but still)

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KamikazePotato
03/22/24 12:00:38 AM
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UshiromiyaEva posted...
Solution.

Don't play games on PC!

Never works out.

(kidding this all sounds like ass)
From what I'm reading I think all these problems are the same in the console version! It's just slightly easier to force a restart because you can delete your game save data instead of needing to dig into Windows folders.

EDIT: Also not sure how console performance is compared to PC. Probably better but need to do more research, wasn't expecting to not get this on PC so I haven't bothered.

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UshiromiyaEva
03/22/24 12:02:46 AM
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5 hours ago everyone was having a good laugh about throwing dozens NPCs off cliffs to improve the framerate. It was a silly quirky thing.

Maybe not so cute anymore.

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KamikazePotato
03/22/24 12:16:54 AM
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More research has shown that you can change your character's appearance in-game. Have to buy an item using in-game currency at major cities. The currency can be acquired either through doing stuff in-game (or through microtransactions, lol). That's a lot better than appearance changing being solely locked to microtransactions.

Still can't do playthrough restarts without manually deleting your save file though. So if you have regrets about how your character looks, either start deleting files or tough it out until you're able to get the item.

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Wanglicious
03/22/24 12:18:39 AM
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Paratroopa1 posted...
Basically every Capcom game is getting review bombed to shit and back on Steam so it's probably worth taking with at least a little grain of salt

those are because of enigma, a DRM they started using because of a nude chun li mod at a tournament. unfortunately it's also a cheaply made russian DRM that's utterly shit at its job and ended up breaking compatibility with Linux/Steam Deck, as well as with a bunch of mods, as well as tanking performance.

they added it to a ton of old games and it's seemingly random on when they add it. single player, multiplayer, doesn't matter. of course, since it's a terrible DRM it's also stupidly easy to crack and so any release with it gets a crack within hours and is magically playable. so basically, pirates win again.

i'm not sure if Dragon's Dogma 2 has it or not, have seen some claims saying it does but not sure it's real or just them looking at other Capcom games. i mean it'll be in there eventually but it wouldn't surprise me if a mix of poor DRM implementation caused shit to break. wouldn't be the first time.

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Xiahou_Shake
03/22/24 12:27:47 AM
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The Enigma situation is almost entirely manufactured outrage set off by a particularly poorly timed patch for one game. It's not a response to the Chun-Li situation and has been in a ton of Capcom's games long before the internet decided to make a row about it.

Not sure what to think about this situation yet though - a lot of the "scummy" claims sound a lot like the vocal minority who were getting upset about purchasable red orbs in DMC5 which was like, the most insane non-issue I've ever seen. Based on the description and my DD1 experience this does appear to be another such case, though the character edit thing is indeed potentially bad and the performance is obviously lamentable.

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azuarc
03/22/24 12:28:14 AM
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This seems to be off to a good start. Can't wait to find out where things are in the morning.

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Xiahou_Shake
03/22/24 12:34:58 AM
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KamikazePotato posted...
More research has shown that you can change your character's appearance in-game. Have to buy an item using in-game currency at major cities. The currency can be acquired either through doing stuff in-game (or through microtransactions, lol). That's a lot better than appearance changing being solely locked to microtransactions.
Missed this - okay yeah this sounds a lot like the usual suspects being very loud and annoying, exploding a kernel of truth into an ocean of click/ragebait.

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KamikazePotato
03/22/24 12:43:35 AM
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Xiahou_Shake posted...
Missed this - okay yeah this sounds a lot like the usual suspects being very loud and annoying, exploding a kernel of truth into an ocean of click/ragebait.
I mean from my perspective it's still not great. I've had buyer's remorse on like half the characters I create in games after 15 minutes of experimenting. The fact that I would have to do extra legwork to remake instead of just clicking New Game is nuts. Performance issues are a much bigger concern, but I can't say learning this bit didn't stunt my enthusiasm by a certain degree.

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SHINE_GET_64
03/22/24 1:17:55 AM
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So it's just like the first game

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Zigzagoon
03/22/24 2:11:09 AM
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So it's like, why not allow players to just make new files whenever they want or change their appearance any time they want?

What the fuck is the up side of not allowing the player to do this?

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agesboy
03/22/24 2:45:28 AM
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the MTX stuff is pretty damn bad but the performance issues are what's putting me off the most from trying the game

there's absolutely no way I could run this game at 30fps, let alone 60fps, if others with far more powerful systems are struggling

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Nanis23
03/22/24 6:36:51 AM
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-insert meme of a domino pieces starting with nude Chun Li mod in a official tournament and ending with Capcom being shit with PC ports lately-

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KamikazePotato
03/22/24 6:47:12 AM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
There was a nude Chun Li in a tournament? How is that remotely possible?
Dude who owned the rig forgot to turn off his mods before broadcasting. And yes it was an official Capcom sponsored tournament.

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Nanis23
03/22/24 6:53:51 AM
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I just want to know if it's right or wrong
I mean sure people hating on MTX is justified
But I read so many comments about "you need to pay $2 to change your in-game character appearance" but if it's not right then...uh..why people spreading so much misinformation?
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MoogleKupo141
03/22/24 6:56:05 AM
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people saw the 1.99 item and just assumed that was the only way to get it

I think any mtx item is in the game and obtainable through normal gameplay

ive personally seen the option to change your appearance in a shop in-game for not-real world currency

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xenosaga
03/22/24 7:46:06 AM
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MTX definitely sounds like a DMC5 non-issue situation, think I'll wait for some performance patches though

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SHINE_GET_64
03/22/24 7:46:16 AM
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https://twitter.com/jeffgerstmann/status/1770895285226443220?t=vLrVmg0Z5DAxiDPEsqvatQ&s=19

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KanzarisKelshen
03/22/24 9:38:33 AM
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Mtx thing is 100% manufactured outrage and the singular save thing is plot relevant. Total nonissues all around save for the bad cpu opti (which is not cause of denuvo either)

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MacArrowny
03/22/24 9:40:01 AM
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Xiahou_Shake posted...
The Enigma situation is almost entirely manufactured outrage set off by a particularly poorly timed patch for one game.
It did make multiple games stop working on Steam Deck. I think that part's legit

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kevwaffles
03/22/24 9:43:11 AM
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MacArrowny posted...
It did make multiple games stop working on Steam Deck. I think that part's legit
No, Shake was right the first time. That was still only Revelations, and reverted like within a day or two.

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MacArrowny
03/22/24 9:44:23 AM
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kevwaffles posted...
No, Shake was right the first time. That was still only Revelations, and reverted like within a day or two.
Monster Hunter Rise stopped working on Steam Deck with the update.

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kevwaffles
03/22/24 9:55:24 AM
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MacArrowny posted...
Monster Hunter Rise stopped working on Steam Deck with the update.
Oh, you got me there. It still did get (promptly?) reverted/fixed. Apparently Capcom loves to push out poorly tested updates at the same time as Enigma.

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kevwaffles
03/22/24 10:03:01 AM
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The one thing that's categorically false, though, is that it has anything to do with the Chun Li incident, as funny as that seems.

Not only does Enigma predate SF6, it doesn't impact the ability to replace external file based textures. Which is how SF6 works with "custom outfits" so to speak.

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kevwaffles
03/22/24 10:13:48 AM
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xenosaga posted...
MTX definitely sounds like a DMC5 non-issue situation
They did it as recently as RE4R and no one had shit to say.

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UshiromiyaEva
03/22/24 10:18:53 AM
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The difference between this and all the other games Capcom did this with us that this one runs like booty. It's a jumping off point to draw ire, compared to all the other games that had it that ran perfectly (I don't know about MHW, forgive me if that one had problems).

If RE4 was having framerate issues, I guarantee buying Golden Tickets would have SIDDENLY become an enormous problem.

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kevwaffles
03/22/24 10:38:13 AM
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UshiromiyaEva posted...
The difference between this and all the other games Capcom did this with us that this one runs like booty. It's a jumping off point to draw ire, compared to all the other games that had it that ran perfectly (I don't know about MHW, forgive me if that one had problems).

If RE4 was having framerate issues, I guarantee buying Golden Tickets would have SIDDENLY become an enormous problem.
BG3 has no MTX, but it had actual insane performance issues and broken quest lines at launch after like 4 years of early access and it barely got flack even for that. So I don't think it's quite that cut and dry.

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UshiromiyaEva
03/22/24 10:40:05 AM
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It works in reverse, too. If BG3 had MTX, the performance issues in BG3 would have been far less accepted!

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