Current Events > NY woman beat to death by squatters.

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https://twitter.com/marionawfal/status/1770992460035920222?s=46&t=MclOgjiC_DZiKahxLVoZDg

Work in their favor? Does NY have stand your ground laws?

Is this the same woman as this topic???

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80726046?page=1#85

Edit: nope, unrelated NY ongoing squatter incident

"Squatting" needs to be renamed to what it actually is. Breaking and Entering sprinkled with some Trespassing. Screw those pieces of shit. They don't deserve rights.

Everything about this seems like squatter ragebait. Like, yes, it's bad and they should be punished to the fullest extent of the law, but, even without doing a quick bit of searching, I'm certain he's misinterpreting some law and that they will not get away with murder.

Maybe this will lead to a reevaluating of squatter rights.

s0nicfan posted...

Is this the same woman as this topic???

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80726046?page=1#85

Different case.

no sympathy for landlords

AlephZero posted...

no sympathy for landlords

Doesn't sound like she was a landlord. She was the inheritor of a family property that was supposed to be uninhabited. Also, squatters don't have a landlord tenant relationship. By definition, a squatter is a trespasser. Not someone an owner of a building agreed to let stay there

AlephZero posted...

no sympathy for landlords

Get the fuck out of here.
A human life was lost and this is your braindead take on this situation?

AlephZero posted...

no sympathy for landlords

Bruh someone was beaten to death, meanwhile you sit in your armchair and post something like that

AlephZero posted...

no sympathy for landlords

Lets see ...
We got a 52 years old woman that lives in Spain.
Her mother lived in NY and died a few months ago.
So she travels to NY and is going to prepare her late mothers apartment because she is going to give it away to a friend of the family, and gets beaten to death by two squatters.

...and you start with this landlord BS?

So what's the origin or idea behind the "squatters rights"? What is it intended to protect, because I can't imagine it's intent was to protect those who broke into empty homes and just live there with no one knowing they're there

Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

So what's the origin or idea behind the "squatters rights"? What is it intended to protect, because I can't imagine it's intent was to protect those who broke into empty homes and just live there with no one knowing they're there

It isn't. This situation is fucked. But not because of squatters but because of murderers

Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

So what's the origin or idea behind the "squatters rights"? What is it intended to protect, because I can't imagine it's intent was to protect those who broke into empty homes and just live there with no one knowing they're there

I think its basically to allow people to take over buildings that were legitimately abandoned and then give rights to the people maintaining the building after the original owners abandoned it. Like abandoned for extended periods of time or perhaps permanently abandoned

but yeah, any time its applied to buildings that arent abandoned its atrocious

LSGW_Zephyra posted...

It isn't. This situation is fucked. But not because of squatters but because of murderers

So what is it though? Let's take a situation exactly like this, but she shows up and they just refuse to leave. Sounds like she would have not had much recourse, right?

Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

So what is it though? Let's take a situation exactly like this, but she shows up and they just refuse to leave. Sounds like she would have not had much recourse, right?

She can get them evicted. They are still squatting. They don't own the property. But she needs to give them 30 days. After that it's like anyone else.

Rika_Furude posted...

I think its basically to allow people to take over buildings that were legitimately abandoned and then give rights to the people maintaining the building after the original owners abandoned it. Like abandoned for extended periods of time or perhaps permanently abandoned

but yeah, any time its applied to buildings that arent abandoned its atrocious

Thanks, I can see that. But homes of deceased relatives that people haven't gotten around to selling after only three months should be excluded. I thought I saw in another topic that just being there for 30 days gives you those rights

Zikten posted...

By definition, a squatter is a trespasser. Not someone an owner of a building agreed to let stay there

False, 95% of squatters are people the were are some point given permission to live there, but that permission has been retracted.

The story in the OP is a case of murder, not a squatter's rights issue.

Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

So what is it though? Let's take a situation exactly like this, but she shows up and they just refuse to leave. Sounds like she would have not had much recourse, right?

LSGW covered this extensively in the other topic:
LSGW_Zephyra posted...

Nobody is stealing anything. They would need to live there 10 years before they could think of taking possession of it. They are claiming to be tenants. In which case, if they can't produce a contract then it is considered a month to month lease (iirc) and they can be evicted within 30 days.

Again, this is an inconvenience for the homeowner but if the squatter doesn't have a place to live, this could be life and death for them. If this drags out longer then that period because the courts are notoriously slow, then that's on the courts and not on the people inhabiting the house.

Ironic they described it as "life or death"

Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

Thanks, I can see that. But homes of deceased relatives that people haven't gotten around to selling after only three months should be excluded. I thought I saw in another topic that just being there for 30 days gives you those rights

To not be evicted immediately. You have to give them time to move out. It's a good system that makes sure land is in use and homeless and poor people have a place to go instead of living on the streets which nobody wants.

The usual issue is the bureaucratic system that takes months to resolve and rule against the squatters.

Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

Thanks, I can see that. But homes of deceased relatives that people haven't gotten around to selling after only three months should be excluded. I thought I saw in another topic that just being there for 30 days gives you those rights

Yeah, I agree with that. Squatters rights after 3 months is insane let alone 30 days. I think it should be a few years at least. To account for say, someone travelling the world for a few months or working overseas for a year or two etc

AlephZero posted...

no sympathy for landlords

No sympathy for the homeless

Guide posted...

Everything about this seems like squatter ragebait. Like, yes, it's bad and they should be punished to the fullest extent of the law, but, even without doing a quick bit of searching, I'm certain he's misinterpreting some law and that they will not get away with murder.

But also this

haloiscoolisbak posted...

No sympathy for the homeless

Hope that was a joke

LSGW_Zephyra posted...

To not be evicted immediately. You have to give them time to move out. It's a good system that makes sure land is in use and homeless and poor people have a place to go instead of living on the streets which nobody wants.

Situations like these where the home is empty for a few months due to a death or traveling need to be excluded. Until then it's not a good system

Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

Situations like these where the home is empty for a few months due to a death or traveling need to be excluded. Until then it's not a good system

In Western Australia it's something like 10+ years. 30 days is fucking insanity.

Fuck squatters

haloiscoolisbak posted...

No sympathy for the homeless

It doesn't have to be a competition to see who the bigger asshole is.

Squatters are scum

Still crazy that America of all places has issues like this with how protective it is of property. If what written is true, 30 days is goddamn insanity and reeks of bleeding heartism. It's hard to believe things when so many people have agendas.

AlephZero posted...

no sympathy for landlords

...That's your asinine take on this?

Dark_Arbron posted...

In Western Australia it's something like 10+ years. 30 days is fucking insanity.

You sure that isn't for ownership of the property and not just being able to kicked out immediately?

Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

Situations like these where the home is empty for a few months due to a death or traveling need to be excluded. Until then it's not a good system

They usually are. The problem is proving it and police are dumb and the court systems slow

am i the only one who remembers usernames

alephzero has been doing fake leftist posting to trick gullible ppl into hating leftists more

for like

years

NY sounds so great

Can I get a real source, not someone posting American Flag emoji's? That comes across as right wing propaganda when it starts off like that. Also the fact they paid $8 for their blue checkmark.

ClayGuida posted...

Can I get a real source, not someone posting American Flag emoji's? That comes across as right wing propaganda when it starts off like that. Also the fact they paid $8 for their blue checkmark.

https://gprivate.com/6a6t5

Had to shorten the link.

Smackems posted...

NY sounds so great

It's not and was all propaganda. Literal shit hole especially some parts of upstate.

LSGW_Zephyra posted...

You sure that isn't for ownership of the property and not just being able to kicked out immediately?

I don't know. I only gave it a cursory glance. I just remember the summary given was "squatters rights exist in Western Australia but they are generally limited."

Guide posted...

Everything about this seems like squatter ragebait. Like, yes, it's bad and they should be punished to the fullest extent of the law, but, even without doing a quick bit of searching, I'm certain he's misinterpreting some law and that they will not get away with murder.

No ones saying they wont be charged. But having inherent rights to property certainly complicates the issue more then it needs to.

It's wild that the government solution to minimize homelessness is providing legal support to someone who takes over another home. Like if I go out and steal a house, there's one more house in the world now, or something.

AlephZero posted...

no sympathy for landlords

Close your account.

AlephZero posted...

no sympathy for landlords

Are we going to see a herd if clowns defending the squatter scumbags in this topic as well?

Crimson_Corsair posted...

Close your account.

something seems to have happened to it

People, this is why you remember user names or at least tag people. You can't be blatantly led around by the nose by every troll here. But many of you will immediately believe anything that lets you dunk on bleeding heart leftists or homeless people apparently.

Anyway, murder is bad.

I'd like to also remind people that these laws and the bureaucratic headache exist because landlords suck. The vast majority of people this applies to are people who landlords are trying to kick out without giving notice and to prevent abuses like that. These laws protect a person so that they always have at least 30 days to find a new home which is often not a ton of time to have to clear things like background, credit checks on top of finding an affordable arrangement.

These laws act as a buffer to reduce houselessness which generally speaking, society rightly considers to be worth doing even if that means some individuals have to deal with he headache of a squatter.

Shit like this, reporting it as news the way they do only exist to get you to try to dial back the laws so that landlords can do whatever they fuck they want.

Squatters are the new pitbulls.

legendary_zell posted...

People, this is why you remember user names or at least tag people. You can't be blatantly led around by the nose by every troll here. But many of you will immediately believe anything that lets you dunk on bleeding heart leftists or homeless people apparently.

Anyway, murder is bad.

it is genuinely blowing my mind how many years-long posters were immediately sinking their teeth into it

There should be a team of people that will be willing to squat (with the owners consent) on the squatters. Chase them out.

To the screw landlords people. Yes most of them in New York are slumlords and deserve the hate. But this isnt a landlord/slumlord case, just a private residence. And the lady fucking died.