Current Events > Post End Game MCU has no impact

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They had one chance to have a slight impact. Now, it is gone with Kang Losing to AntMan. The theme of multiverse is all over the place. There is no connection with the other films or show. They never introduce a consequence for it. What was so great about infinity war. When avenger 5 and 6 come it will probably feel force.

And I was talking to this screenwriter. She said that Ms. Marvel was for kids and didn't really target her.

Someones been hitting the bottle a little early.

Oh. Alrighty

LonelyStoner posted...

Someones been hitting the bottle a little early.

Last night, actually, it was wine.

Ok, I fixed my spelling. Sorry.

the deal with Kang isn't that he's so strong that he's unstoppable. He isn't a Thanos. It's that Kang and and all his variants all have the same idea, multiversal conquest. You stopped 1 Kang, congrats here's infinite more.

SSJKirby posted...

the deal with Kang isn't that he's so strong that he's unstoppable. He isn't a Thanos. It's that Kang and and all his variants all have the same idea, multiversal conquest. You stopped 1 Kang, congrats here's infinite more.

I get that. But what happened in AntMan 4 should have gone differently. Likekilled one Kang and have another one defeat the crew.
They never gave us something to fear.

SSJKirby posted...

the deal with Kang isn't that he's so strong that he's unstoppable. He isn't a Thanos. It's that Kang and and all his variants all have the same idea, multiversal conquest. You stopped 1 Kang, congrats here's infinite more.

There are also infinite Avengers

It's a stupid premise

omniryu posted...

I get that. But what happened in AntMan 4 should have gone differently. Likekilled one Kang and have another one defeat the crew.
They never gave us something to fear.

Yes I do agree with you there.

Thank you for sharing your totally original thought TC.

lilORANG posted...

Thank you for sharing your totally original thought TC.

You're welcome. Come back for some more.

SHRlKE posted...

Yes I do agree with you there.

I wonder what will they do now.

omniryu posted...

Last night, actually, it was wine.

Wine often comes in a bottle...

Eternals had a big enough plot point that could have generated more ongoing interest in the MCU... if it had been in an Avengers movie with characters that people actually want to see. Too bad everyone including Marvel are trying to forget about it.

Raikuro posted...

Eternals had a big enough plot point that could have generated more ongoing interest in the MCU... if it had been in an Avengers movie with characters that people actually want to see. Too bad everyone including Marvel are trying to forget about it.

I enjoyed Eternals and found a lot of the characters compelling.

FolkenRawr posted...

Wine often comes in a bottle...

I was trying add details to what happened last night.

Raikuro posted...

Eternals had a big enough plot point that could have generated more ongoing interest in the MCU... if it had been in an Avengers movie with characters that people actually want to see. Too bad everyone including Marvel are trying to forget about it.

Yeah, so what are they going to do with that big hand in the ocean?

I stopped Eternals like 40 minutes in and never went back. I should give it another shot... I guess.

omniryu posted...

I wonder what will they do now.

Bring in doom

I think marvel needs to realize they need team up projects more often, they help make the universe feel more connected

I also really liked Eternals and wish it wasn't already being abandoned. But it really would have benefited greatly from being a Disney+ series where they could have taken more time to flesh everything out properly and with better pacing, rather than introduce 10+ characters AND the backstory/lore behind them AND connect them to the already-existing MCU in a movie with "only" a 2.5-hour runtime.

Post End Game never does have the same impact.

WoW Past Legion is a joke

FFXIV Endwalker later patches have been a joke

When you build up something as the ultimate evil for such a long time. What is even left after that? Everything after that just seems trivial or made up bullshit off the top of their heads.

Dakimakura posted...

When you build up something as the ultimate evil for such a long time. What is even left after that? Everything after that just seems trivial or made up bullshit off the top of their heads.

I mostly agree with you. That's what happened with Bleach. They had a big bad evil, Aizen, and it felled after that.
This is why I worried about Kingdom Heart 4. I know there's so much stuff left but the story peaked at 3.

TMOG posted...

I also really liked Eternals and wish it wasn't already being abandoned. But it really would have benefited greatly from being a Disney+ series where they could have taken more time to flesh everything out properly and with better pacing, rather than introduce 10+ characters AND the backstory/lore behind them AND connect them to the already-existing MCU in a movie with "only" a 2.5-hour runtime.

Problem is they just don't know how to write anything.

They think fleshed out is drawn out long scenes of nobody talking and staring at things and walking down long corridors.

I've seen a few post Infinity War- Endgame Marvel movies and I think the only thing that felt worth watching was GotG 3.

I don't think they'll ever have another villain threat like Thanos that will work well enough to drive an entire franchise of films. The scale of what he was able to do can only be done once in a story without having going into shark jumping multiverse bullshit to escalate things further.

I actually think phase 4 is underrated

Phase 5 has been bad outside of guardians

-Crissaegrim- posted...

I've seen a few post Infinity War- Endgame Marvel movies and I think the only thing that felt worth watching was GotG 3.

I don't think they'll ever have another villain threat like Thanos that will work well enough to drive an entire franchise of films. The scale of what he was able to do can only be done once in a story without having going into shark jumping multiverse bullshit to escalate things further.

Doom, Galactus, Apocalypse.

They seem to be stuck on villains nobody cares about though.

_____Cait posted...

Doom, Galactus, Apocalypse.

They seem to be stuck on villains nobody cares about though.

They literally took thanos who fell in "nobody cared about" and made him bigger than almost any marvel villain

TMOG posted...

I also really liked Eternals and wish it wasn't already being abandoned. But it really would have benefited greatly from being a Disney+ series where they could have taken more time to flesh everything out properly and with better pacing, rather than introduce 10+ characters AND the backstory/lore behind them AND connect them to the already-existing MCU in a movie with "only" a 2.5-hour runtime.

Yes. Eternals should have been a 13-episode Marvelflix kind of project.

The movie wasn't awful by any means, but there was way too much content for a movie of that comparatively short runtime.

No Way Home and Guardians 3 were amazing, now Deadpool 3 is coming out too with a dream team up. I also stand by MoM and The Marvels being underrated.

If they stay faithful to Doom's character honestly he has the potential to be the best villain in the MCU as much as I loved Tom Hiddleston's Loki, damn near perfect.

Magneto and Galactus have ton of potentials too, it would be tricky but bringing back a more menacing version of Ultron could be do-able too.

Dakimakura posted...

When you build up something as the ultimate evil for such a long time. What is even left after that? Everything after that just seems trivial or made up bulls*** off the top of their heads.

Smaller stories with more personal stakes.

I watched a great video essay a couple years ago that deconstructed anime tropes (I forget which of the essayists it was, but it was a 20+ minute video, I'm pretty sure) that talked about the problem of anime like Bleach, Naruto, and DBZ. Name-dropped a few others, I think.

It really broke down what kind of story beats you can have after "powerful enough to kill god" arcs and how to bring in new and compelling story lines without using world-ending stakes.

There's more after godkilling. You just have to have a writer who knows how to do it right.

GS4Life posted...

Magneto and Galactus have ton of potentials too, it would be tricky but bringing back a more menacing version of Ultron could be do-able too.

Something something white Vision? Wouldn't be the first time that Vision was some kind of backdoor into Ultron's resurrection, right?

Most pre-Endgame movies didnt have much of an impact consequences either. At the worst, you have trash like The Dark World, a movie whose entire purpose is to put an infinity stone into the plot. Most just added another character to the roster of heroes.

Kang worked better in Loki than Ant-Man 3. Quantumanias Kang could have been a weaker Kang in general, but he lacked threat potential on-screen. The movie needed to do a better job at hyping up the council of Kangs if Kang was going to be a major recurring or ongoing threat.

Also, the MCU shat the bed on the multiverse. Loki was the only entry that made interesting use of the multiverse. Everything else had the multiverse just be an excuse to throw nostalgia fandom connecting to Fox or Sony movies or Wandas crappy writing in Doctor Strange 2 (which was better than the first Doctor. strange at least).
Meanwhile, the same year that Multiverse of Madness was released Everything Everywhere All at Once came out and did laps around the MCU in terms of reception and respect.

The end of the Eternals was a good set-up for future events. I actually put Eternals in the upper half of the MCU. Even if the characters werent worth revisiting, the ideas in the film were solid.
The Ten Rings were a decent hook for the multiverse or whatever they are.

Blue_Popo posted...

I actually think phase 4 is underrated

Phase 5 has been bad outside of guardians

I don't think we reach phase 5 yet, Did we?

It isn't they all suck. While some talented comedic route too much the others are OK, but they don't have that signature MCU cut on having an impact on the marvel universe. Eternals tried but they completely ignore that. Every time some messes with the multiverse everything goes back to normal with no consequence. The big bad got punch by regular size antman. Yes I know he's infinite, but they should had make an example of why he should be feared.

MangaBroski posted...

Most pre-Endgame movies didnt have much of an impact consequences either.

A lot probably didn't but we did followed the stones and some films had an impact in more way you think. Spiderman, had an impact on Tony's conscience on whether or not he even wanted to go back in time. Civil War where the avenger fell out, is the reason why infinity war was a two parter.

MangaBroski posted...

The end of the Eternals was a good set-up for future events. I actually put Eternals in the upper half of the MCU. Even if the characters werent worth revisiting, the ideas in the film were solid.

I hate the idea it got canceled. I do want to see what will they do with the hands in the ocean.

GS4Life posted...

The Marvels being underrated.

The marvels didn't felt too serious for me. It would be one thing, if we had more of a story with photon (drawing a blank on her name.) Like for instance. Steve and Tony always had a bit of tension from the first avengers all the way up to end game. Had they went in a little further with photon needing Carol, it would have been a lot better.

DnDer posted...

I watched a great video essay a couple years ago that deconstructed anime tropes (I forget which of the essayists it was, but it was a 20+ minute video, I'm pretty sure) that talked about the problem of anime like Bleach, Naruto, and DBZ. Name-dropped a few others, I think.

It is more bleach than any of the others. After Aizen, the story dropped hard. DBZ always had a villian of the week feel. Boruto had a similar drop to me as it didn't went with the endeding promise by prophecy. I will make a topic about that.

omniryu posted...

I don't think we reach phase 5 yet, Did we?

Phase 5 started with Quantumania

TMOG posted...

Phase 5 started with Quantumania

Oh, OK. That was a let down