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BlackOmnimon
03/25/24 2:38:38 PM
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TV was just different back then

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Nirvanas_Nox
03/25/24 2:40:47 PM
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It was apparently ok cuz he looked young (it wasn't it's gross.) Even though he looked mid 30s to me. Its just pedophilia

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WingsOfGood
03/25/24 2:40:57 PM
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Just the western version of 1000 year old loli.
Just make them a guy and western audience loves it. Angel was supposed to be like eternally 16 right?
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TheShadowViper
03/25/24 2:41:38 PM
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I mean maybe if you missed like every year since then.

Twilight came a decade after season 1 of Buffy the Vampire Slayer lol.

Now we have shit like Euphoria.
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Nirvanas_Nox
03/25/24 2:42:08 PM
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I've honestly never understood the appeal of some 100 year old vampire or whatever dating a 16 year old. It was gross in Twilight too.

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TheShadowViper
03/25/24 2:43:26 PM
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The appeal is mystery + knowledge + brooding + "he is special and he picked me"
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WingsOfGood
03/25/24 2:45:15 PM
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So Buffy
Twilight

what else has this western trope version of male loli?
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MaxEffingBemis
03/25/24 2:45:31 PM
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I mean they definitely pointed out how problematic it was in the show too to the point that when they broke up for good it was because of that basically

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DementedDurian
03/25/24 2:46:51 PM
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My question is how vampires stay sane after existing for so long.

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Turducken
03/25/24 2:47:00 PM
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Of course it's because he's a handsome guy that's meant to look in her age range. Take the same story and replace Angel with Nosferatu and suddenly no one thinks it's cool, even if he's the nicest Nosferatu in the world.

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pegusus123456
03/25/24 2:47:24 PM
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MaxEffingBemis posted...
I mean they definitely pointed out how problematic it was in the show too to the point that when they broke up for good it was because of that basically
I think they broke up more because he became a murderous, soulless monster when they had sex.

But I'm sure the age difference was an issue too.

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LonelyStoner
03/25/24 2:48:15 PM
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Buffy is one of those shows I feel Im not missing out on by not watching.

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pegusus123456
03/25/24 2:49:10 PM
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LonelyStoner posted...
Buffy is one of those shows I feel Im not missing out on by not watching.
No, that you're wrong about

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LonelyStoner
03/25/24 2:50:47 PM
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pegusus123456 posted...
No, that you're wrong about
How so?

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WingsOfGood
03/25/24 2:51:26 PM
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LonelyStoner posted...
Buffy is one of those shows I feel Im not missing out on by not watching.

If you dislike romance stories then you probably won't regret your choice.
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LonelyStoner
03/25/24 2:54:49 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
If you dislike romance stories then you probably won't regret your choice.
Hmmm.I like The Notebook, Just Friends, Forgetting Sarah Marshall, etc.

I'm mostly just fatigued with vampire romance.

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MaxEffingBemis
03/25/24 2:55:51 PM
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pegusus123456 posted...
I think they broke up more because he became a murderous, soulless monster when they had sex.

But I'm sure the age difference was an issue too.
That was the first time they broke up. The second time was because shes still young and has her whole life ahead of her kind of thing.

WingsOfGood posted...
If you dislike romance stories then you probably won't regret your choice.
That show is way more than just romance stories

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TheShadowViper
03/25/24 2:58:11 PM
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Buffy is good for more than romance. Whoever says shit like that probably never watched the show because that statement is laughable.

Angel is also a good show.

Both are products of their time, both have shitty and good seasons, and both have shitty and good episodes.
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WingsOfGood
03/25/24 3:04:02 PM
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LonelyStoner posted...
Hmmm.I like The Notebook, Just Friends, Forgetting Sarah Marshall, etc.

I'm mostly just fatigued with vampire romance.

How many vampire romance stories have you watched lately?

TheShadowViper posted...
Buffy is good for more than romance. Whoever says s*** like that probably never watched the show because that statement is laughable.

False. Romance is a huge part of it. Sure it isn't all the show has but my point is if a person finds such stories insufferable they would be offput.
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TheShadowViper
03/25/24 3:09:37 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
False. Romance is a huge part of it. Sure it isn't all the show has but my point is if a person finds such stories insufferable they would be offput.
That is like saying Scooby-Doo is a romance. It isn't.

Genre: Supernatural; Horror; Coming-of-age; Teen drama; Comedy drama; Action; Philosophical;
I see genres that have romance in them, you know what I don't see? Romance as the genre. Do you know why? Because while it is an element of the show, it is absolutely not the only thing it has to offer.
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Corbenik
03/25/24 3:13:58 PM
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TVD had a 1000+ year old ORIGINAL VAMPIRE

getting with high schoolers

and that isnt that old either

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Hornezz
03/25/24 3:16:06 PM
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He was stalking her since she was called as a Slayer at age 15. He later states that's where he fell in love.

They literally show him lurking in the bushes peeping through her bathroom window, and it's played off as as romantic rather than ...extremely creepy.

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WingsOfGood
03/25/24 3:18:05 PM
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TheShadowViper posted...
That is like saying Scooby-Doo is a romance. It isn't.

Didn't realize Scooby Doo dedicated many episodes to this couple, then that couple etc, even named episodes after romance and it was literally the main plot-point.
Seems YOU didn't watch the show?

Before there was Twilight or The Vampire Diaries, Buffy the Vampire Slayer paved the way for teen vampire romance stories that continue to proliferate throughout today's film and TV landscape.

While the series follows her calling to slay demons, nevertheless, throughout the show's run, Buffy develops romantic relationships with two vampires, Angel (David Boreanaz) and Spike (James Marsters), setting up a legacy of teen vampire romance storylines that are a fixture in today's film and TV landscape.Mar 31, 2022

https://www.lofficielusa.com/film-tv/how-buffy-the-vampire-slayer-defined-teen-vampire-romance-genre-iconic-tv-legacy-90s-twilight-the-vampire-diaries

https://www.reddit.com/r/buffy/comments/vrp6qm/a_big_hot_take_i_dont_really_enjoy_the_romance_of/

https://screenrant.com/buffy-vampire-slayer-best-buffyverse-romances-ranked/
The Buffyverse has given us some truly incredible romances over the course of 12 combined seasons. Here we rank them from forgettable to epic.


Like the whole premise of the show is she was born as the Slayer but tries to more or less be a normal girl who goes to school and falls in love and everything around it that happens is trying to balance these two competing ideas of existence. That IS the show.
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WingsOfGood
03/25/24 3:22:41 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtgV5_rk-xk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMxlK4GqvNI
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lilORANG
03/25/24 3:23:09 PM
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I'm watching vampire diaries right now and that shit still happens

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divot1338
03/25/24 3:24:27 PM
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They had so much in common what with the mass murdering.

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Bass_X0
03/25/24 4:17:47 PM
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Now the 20 year old kids are coming after Buffy to call it gross and problematic

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JimmyFraska
03/25/24 4:21:36 PM
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Anne Rice said large age gaps are an important staple of women's fiction.
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GeminiDeus
03/25/24 4:25:27 PM
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What do you all feel is an acceptable dating range in the hypothetical situation of a 500 year old *whatever* and their mate? Assuming that there are no other 500 year old *whatever* for them to be with, or any living are incompatible with.

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knightmarexx
03/25/24 4:31:30 PM
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GeminiDeus posted...
What do you all feel is an acceptable dating range in the hypothetical situation of a 500 year old *whatever* and their mate? Assuming that there are no other 500 year old *whatever* for them to be with, or any living are incompatible with.

If you're 500, and don't forget -- then anyone under 50 is practically an infant to you.
Often "Vampire media" does things so this isn't so, by making them either "hibernate" for centuries, or be locked in, emotionally, at the age they're turned.
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TheShadowViper
03/25/24 4:39:46 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
Like the whole premise of the show is she was born as the Slayer but tries to more or less be a normal girl
It's amazing that you just defeated your own argument with your own statement and then tried to act like you didn't. But I guess after getting hit with the genres you had nothing in the tank but giving ground.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer can absolutely, and unequivocally, be watched whether you care about the romance or not. Your advice was shit. And let me remind you what you said since you have seemingly already forgotten.

WingsOfGood posted...
If you dislike romance stories then you probably won't regret your choice.
Devolving Buffy The Vampire Slayer into "a romance story" is inaccurate and quite honestly just dumb. I watched the show solely for the supernatural element and its "monster of the week" setup when it originally aired. There are like a dozen other things one could watch the show for and enjoy it without even touching the romance.

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NoxObscuras
03/25/24 4:41:59 PM
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Nirvanas_Nox posted...
I've honestly never understood the appeal of some 100 year old vampire or whatever dating a 16 year old. It was gross in Twilight too.
Because teenage girls ate that shit up. Gotta have the main character be close in age to the target demographic.

lilORANG posted...
I'm watching vampire diaries right now and that shit still happens
To be fair, the vampire diaries are based on books that started in the 90's. So it's not exactly a new story with that trope.

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LonelyStoner
03/25/24 5:30:58 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
How many vampire romance stories have you watched lately?

The genre is very oversaturated, and a lot of them are badly made. Ill extend it to werewolves, too.

Back in the day I watched Vampire Diaries, Teen Wolf, etc. Couldnt finish either to the finales.

However, I do love What We Do In The Shadows, but thats a comedy.

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Gritty
03/25/24 5:32:28 PM
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Sick of these pedo vampires!!
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Torgo
03/25/24 5:34:51 PM
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I've been watching movies recently, and I noticed a really strange trend that's got me scratching my head.

I must have been missing this the whole time, but every movie made after 2005-2006 era has Paul Rudd in it. He's in every movie, even if just as a cameo. Go ahead, put in your favorite movie from after that era and you'll see him in it.

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rodu_jr
03/25/24 5:37:23 PM
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Why isn't Buffy getting any flack for necrophilia?
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Baron_Ox
03/25/24 5:40:15 PM
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in-universe, he was 24 before becoming a vampire, so if the body he had/age he was before turning is important, the age gap would have still raised eyebrows.

but I guess it was legal in his day, and some parts of the country in Buffy's.

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Prototypic
03/25/24 5:45:05 PM
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That's like a staple of the vampire genre, even going back to Count Dracula creeping on Mina Harker, and I don't think it's actually become that much less common since the days of Buffy, except in that vampire fiction seems to be on the downswing these days in general compared to the 1990s and 2000s.

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Punished_Blinx
03/25/24 5:48:47 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
Just the western version of 1000 year old loli.
Just make them a guy and western audience loves it. Angel was supposed to be like eternally 16 right?

He was at least 18. I think they aged him up to his 20s later.

I don't really think the loli comparison is valid either. The 1000 year old loli is justification for older men to lust over someone who looks like a child.

This is stuff specifically designed for teenage girls. The vampire is permanently a teenager/young adult and falls in love with the protagonist girl who isn't understood by her peers for whatever reason.

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Prestoff
03/25/24 5:57:46 PM
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Damn, these pedo-vamps are giving non-pedo-vamps a bad name!

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mario2000
03/25/24 6:01:16 PM
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anyone else sick of age discourse because i sure am

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Nirvanas_Nox
03/25/24 7:29:23 PM
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Corbenik posted...
TVD had a 1000+ year old ORIGINAL VAMPIRE

getting with high schoolers

and that isnt that old either

And it was still nasty asf. Don't get me wrong I watched the whole show and liked it but that doesn't mean that their relationships were disgusting and problematic. They are essentially old as men in teenage bodies preying upon teenagers. It's just another from of pedophilia wrapped in a way that makes it palatable for everyone.

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Kradek
03/25/24 7:30:46 PM
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Makes the Bellward relationship seem more tame by 100 years in comparison lol.

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WingsOfGood
03/25/24 9:11:56 PM
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TheShadowViper posted...
It's amazing that you just defeated your own argument with your own statement and then tried to act like you didn't. But I guess after getting hit with the genres you had nothing in the tank but giving ground.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer can absolutely, and unequivocally, be watched whether you care about the romance or not. Your advice was shit. And let me remind you what you said since you have seemingly already forgotten.

Devolving Buffy The Vampire Slayer into "a romance story" is inaccurate and quite honestly just dumb. I watched the show solely for the supernatural element and its "monster of the week" setup when it originally aired. There are like a dozen other things one could watch the show for and enjoy it without even touching the romance.

I didn't defeat my own argument. It is literally THE central plot.
1. Can a slayer have...romance?
2. Can a slayer have romance... With a vampire she is sworn to slay
3. Can she be a normal girl?
A normal girl....has romance

Like, thay IS the fucking show.

Holy moly

Did you realize Twilight is romance despite having superhero fights in it?
Like the thing to talk about when Buffy was airing was will she pick Spike or Angel, or neither.
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WingsOfGood
03/25/24 9:14:11 PM
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Punished_Blinx posted...
I don't really think the loli comparison is valid either. The 1000 year old loli is justification for older men to lust over someone who looks like a child.

You realize the typical anime is designed for teenagers do you not?
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Punished_Blinx
03/25/24 9:15:30 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
You realize the typical anime is designed for teenagers do you not?

Loli characters don't look like teenagers...

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Corbenik
03/25/24 11:11:41 PM
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NoxObscuras posted...
Because teenage girls ate that shit up. Gotta have the main character be close in age to the target demographic.

To be fair, the vampire diaries are based on books that started in the 90's. So it's not exactly a new story with that trope.
thats dum
whats a new trope then
everything is ancient by that logic

what new stories have we came up with recently?

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pegusus123456
03/26/24 2:49:06 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
I didn't defeat my own argument. It is literally THE central plot.
1. Can a slayer have...romance?
2. Can a slayer have romance... With a vampire she is sworn to slay
3. Can she be a normal girl?
A normal girl....has romance

Like, thay IS the fucking show.

Holy moly

Did you realize Twilight is romance despite having superhero fights in it?
Like the thing to talk about when Buffy was airing was will she pick Spike or Angel, or neither.
You've never actually watched Buffy, right?

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