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04/25/24 8:02:10 AM
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ChaosTonyV4
04/25/24 10:16:46 AM
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This topic is for people from B8 and other approved posters only.

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TotallyNotMI
04/25/24 10:25:54 AM
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Fuck fandom

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TheManaSword
04/25/24 10:28:45 AM
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Serious

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AriaOfBolo
04/25/24 10:39:22 AM
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oh I CAN see CE, that's good I guess

I really don't wanna bookmark CE tho

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AriaOfBolo
04/25/24 10:41:38 AM
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also I don't know how to add a board to my list anymore lol, I haven't done that in years

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Forceful_Dragon
04/25/24 10:42:56 AM
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just track this topic and don't visit the rest of CE. That's what i'm doing

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Forceful_Dragon
04/25/24 10:43:25 AM
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Heineken14 posted...
Words

ChaosTonyV4 posted...
This topic is for people from B8 and other approved posters only.

Papers, Please

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Strider102
04/25/24 10:45:56 AM
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Lot of board invasion to CE lately

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AriaOfBolo
04/25/24 10:47:34 AM
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Strider102 posted...
Lot of board invasion to CE lately

it has officially been ruled as not that!

we don't wanna be here either, really, but

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BlueTigerLion
04/25/24 10:47:42 AM
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I'm out of loop did another board get banned? Or is title meant as keeping political discussions contained to this thread.

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Maniac64
04/25/24 10:47:43 AM
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Well this will definitely not get invaded by non-B8 posters

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AriaOfBolo
04/25/24 10:48:40 AM
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BlueTigerLion posted...
I'm out of loop did another board get banned? Or is title meant as to keep political discussed contained to this thread.

Politics can only be discussed on CE. We're not from CE but we want to keep talking about politics with each other.

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WingsOfGood
04/25/24 10:49:21 AM
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What is B8 ??
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Maniac64
04/25/24 10:49:47 AM
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BlueTigerLion posted...
I'm out of loop did another board get banned? Or is title meant as keeping political discussions contained to this thread.
On Board 8 political discussion was largely kept to a single "containment" topic. With the new rules that topic has been banned so now it has to be created on this board for the group of us to keep having our conversations.

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Seanchan
04/25/24 10:54:54 AM
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Maniac64 posted...
On Board 8 political discussion was largely kept to a single "containment" topic. With the new rules that topic has been banned so now it has to be created on this board for the group of us to keep having our conversations.

In other words, absolute asinine stupidity by the people running the site. That THIS is the solution is absurd.

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Forceful_Dragon
04/25/24 10:54:56 AM
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Nevermind the 400+ topics over years and years of keeping our political discourse in one spot (so as to not aggravate people who didn't want to participate). Not good enough says the new regime.

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BlueTigerLion
04/25/24 10:54:59 AM
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Maniac64 posted...
On Board 8 political discussion was largely kept to a single "containment" topic. With the new rules that topic has been banned so now it has to be created on this board for the group of us to keep having our conversations.

Oh that makes sense. Missing piece was not knowing what B8 meant.

Damn that is just the politics ban makes me wonder what other boards/threads got killed with the hornyposting ban.

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Seanchan
04/25/24 10:58:29 AM
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There was some post by a mod that said "you are not allowed to talk about cleavage".

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Dat_Cracka_Jax
04/25/24 10:58:46 AM
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Welcome!

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Mew
04/25/24 10:59:42 AM
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We have people coming in from other boards just to talk politics?

This is sad and hilarious at the same time. Fandom kills everything it touches

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BlueTigerLion
04/25/24 11:01:55 AM
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Mew posted...
We have people coming in from other boards just to talk politics?

This is sad and hilarious at the same time. Fandom kills everything it touches

Imagine being someone that didn't hear about CE until after it went private and got locked out of the political discussions lol. IIRC the board went private with no warning.

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Umbreon
04/25/24 11:05:08 AM
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Fuck Fandom indeed.


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WingsOfGood
04/25/24 11:07:08 AM
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Maniac64 posted...
On Board 8 political discussion was largely kept to a single "containment" topic. With the new rules that topic has been banned so now it has to be created on this board for the group of us to keep having our conversations.

I see. Well here you can make multiple threads. Might as well just make a thread on a topic or join existing one.
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Murphiroth
04/25/24 11:09:24 AM
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CE would be a lot better off by following B8's example and having a continuing series of politics topics and keeping the discussion there but it'd never work, too many people and too many of them would actively flaunt trying to keep it contained.

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PeaceFrog
04/25/24 11:09:31 AM
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Tag in case this works out

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conduit
04/25/24 11:16:25 AM
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Mew posted...
We have people coming in from other boards just to talk politics?

This is sad and hilarious at the same time. Fandom kills everything it touches

where have you been for the last two weeks? all the other boards on the site are having their political discussions closed down and told they're only allowed to post here. my regional board was the same.

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Seanchan
04/25/24 11:17:07 AM
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Justice Elena Kagan pushed Trumps attorney on just how far presidential immunity could go, raising the hypothetical scenario of a military coup by an ex-president.
How about if a president orders the military to stage a coup? Kagan asked.
If its an official act, there needs to be impeachment and conviction beforehand through Congress, Trumps attorney, D. John Sauer, said.
Kagan asked if Sauer believed such a coup would be an official act.
On the way you described that hypothetical, it could well be, Sauer said.
That sure sounds bad, doesnt it? Kagan said.

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Umbreon
04/25/24 11:17:26 AM
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Murphiroth posted...
CE would be a lot better off by following B8's example and having a continuing series of politics topics and keeping the discussion there but it'd never work, too many people and too many of them would actively flaunt trying to keep it contained.


Oh absolutely. Not to mention certain users like making multiple topics about different news (or 'news' if it's about some random on Twitter), so they alone would break containment multiple times a day.

Anyways, this will be an interesting test going forward. Saw this idea tossed around on B8, wasn't sure you'd be willing to go through with it.

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Sheep007
04/25/24 11:23:14 AM
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Tag and obligatory fuck Fandom.

In other news I suspect nobody cares about Scottish politics here unless Lightning has popped up yet, but this is a fascinating bit of political dumbassery to me. A few days back the SNP (moderate left Scottish Nationalists) leader withdrew their emissions target for 2030 - it was looking a bit unrealistic, but good to have either way. Unfortunately for him, the Green Party were his coalition partners, and were obviously upset about this.

So he then called them in this morning to sack the Green members who were part of his cabinet, and publicly announced that the coalition was over before the Greens could jump ship.

He's now running a minority government, facing a vote of no confidence from Scottish Parliament (in part because the Greens are understandably pissed), and his own party are one more bad bit of PR from mutiny. There's a hell of a lot of ideological splits within the SNP and now that things aren't going well, he's facing down a lot of the problems that have been kinda swept under the rug the past few years. I'm kinda inclined to think we might see, not the collapse of the independence movement, but perhaps a kind of collapse of the SNP. Scottish Parliament has proportional representation, and if voters are really unhappy with the SNP, it looks like smaller nationalist parties or even Labour will gain ground.

It's kind of a good example of why timing is everything - I suspect that if the independence vote had been held between 2017 and 2019, it would have been very close, but now it looks further off than it has for ages.

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Dancedreamer
04/25/24 11:58:17 AM
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"If Presidents are subject to the law, then aren't they more likely to stage a coup to avoid prosecution?"

How did someone with THIS line of logic become a supreme court justice? HOW?!

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LightningStrikes
04/25/24 12:02:29 PM
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I have been summoned! Alas I need to now have CE in my posting history lol but it is what it is!

Yeah the Scottish government stuff is pretty interesting. Its quite the gamble by the SNP as there will now be a confidence vote that is going to be extremely close. Assuming nobody jumps ship the opposition has it by a single vote but theres a wrinkle. Now Labour, the Conservatives, and the Lib Dems are all voting against the government of course, and the Greens have indicated they will as well. However, there is one MSP called Ash Regan who was elected for the SNP and even stood for the leadership last year but left for a small nationalist party called Alba (the reason being shes a transphobic crackpot and wanted to make a big deal out of that by defecting). Now if she votes with the government, itll be a tie, the Presiding Officer will break the tie and presumably vote with the government. It seems she has said she hasnt made her mind up yet so the SNP will presumably be lobbying her pretty hard.

Now what is very apparent is a recent rightwards shift in the SNP, which is in part due to them trying to keep their big conservative faction in check. The SNP are basically split down the middle between the left-leaning progressives usually from Scotlands central belt and the conservatives usually from the rural areas, all united by support of independence. They seem to be about equal in number, though the left-leaning faction has been dominant for years and years. So my assessment is that the SNP are facing the same problem as parties like Sinn Fein in Ireland where they have two diametrically opposed factions tearing the party apart.

If it does go through it will most likely lead to an election with Labour as the big winners as theyve peeled off both moderate unionists from the Tories and Lib Dems and left-leaning nationalists who are fed up with the SNP. Of course paradoxically this could hurt Labour in the general election due some time this year by making them spend money on a whole other campaign. So yeah, quite an interesting situation!

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PeaceFrog
04/25/24 12:05:20 PM
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If we punish someone who has money, aren't they less likely to give us bribes in the future?

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ChaosTonyV4
04/25/24 12:16:05 PM
#34:


Seanchan posted...
Justice Elena Kagan pushed Trumps attorney on just how far presidential immunity could go, raising the hypothetical scenario of a military coup by an ex-president.
How about if a president orders the military to stage a coup? Kagan asked.
If its an official act, there needs to be impeachment and conviction beforehand through Congress, Trumps attorney, D. John Sauer, said.
Kagan asked if Sauer believed such a coup would be an official act.
On the way you described that hypothetical, it could well be, Sauer said.
That sure sounds bad, doesnt it? Kagan said.

What the fuck


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Maniac64
04/25/24 12:26:56 PM
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Seanchan posted...
Justice Elena Kagan pushed Trumps attorney on just how far presidential immunity could go, raising the hypothetical scenario of a military coup by an ex-president.
How about if a president orders the military to stage a coup? Kagan asked.
If its an official act, there needs to be impeachment and conviction beforehand through Congress, Trumps attorney, D. John Sauer, said.
Kagan asked if Sauer believed such a coup would be an official act.
On the way you described that hypothetical, it could well be, Sauer said.
That sure sounds bad, doesnt it? Kagan said.
"Just impeach the person doing a military coup" is so stupid.

How exactly is that a solution? You think they won't use the military to shut down the impeachment hearing also?

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Sheep007
04/25/24 12:34:31 PM
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LightningStrikes posted...
I have been summoned! Alas I need to now have CE in my posting history lol but it is what it is!

Yeah the Scottish government stuff is pretty interesting. Its quite the gamble by the SNP as there will now be a confidence vote that is going to be extremely close. Assuming nobody jumps ship the opposition has it by a single vote but theres a wrinkle. Now Labour, the Conservatives, and the Lib Dems are all voting against the government of course, and the Greens have indicated they will as well. However, there is one MSP called Ash Regan who was elected for the SNP and even stood for the leadership last year but left for a small nationalist party called Alba (the reason being shes a transphobic crackpot and wanted to make a big deal out of that by defecting). Now if she votes with the government, itll be a tie, the Presiding Officer will break the tie and presumably vote with the government. It seems she has said she hasnt made her mind up yet so the SNP will presumably be lobbying her pretty hard.

Now what is very apparent is a recent rightwards shift in the SNP, which is in part due to them trying to keep their big conservative faction in check. The SNP are basically split down the middle between the left-leaning progressives usually from Scotlands central belt and the conservatives usually from the rural areas, all united by support of independence. They seem to be about equal in number, though the left-leaning faction has been dominant for years and years. So my assessment is that the SNP are facing the same problem as parties like Sinn Fein in Ireland where they have two diametrically opposed factions tearing the party apart.

If it does go through it will most likely lead to an election with Labour as the big winners as theyve peeled off both moderate unionists from the Tories and Lib Dems and left-leaning nationalists who are fed up with the SNP. Of course paradoxically this could hurt Labour in the general election due some time this year by making them spend money on a whole other campaign. So yeah, quite an interesting situation!
My knowledge of Scottish politics isn't the best, but from what I know I'm inclined to think Regan will fall in line - the SNP knew who they would need onside when deciding to piss off the greens and presumably knew they were willing to offer something she'd like. Surely needing to appeal specifically to a mega-transphobe will not have any repercussions. I didn't know Sinn Fein had a similar split re: the more conservative side, but it tracks. Plaid Cymru have a pretty conservative voter base of rural Welsh speakers and I assume it's a similar case for Sinn Fein?

Best case for Labour is probably no election and not having to run another campaign, maybe less for the costs reasoning and more because they wouldn't want the unpopularity that comes with holding power while the UK is running like shit, especially right before a general election which could see them return in Scotland. Although I'm not sure they would win enough to be the dominant party even with the SNP such a mess.

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PerfectChaosZ
04/25/24 1:19:01 PM
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Fuck fandom
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KamikazePotato
04/25/24 1:22:12 PM
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Tag

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AriaOfBolo
04/25/24 1:22:51 PM
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TIL that the profanity filter doesn't work on notifications for tracked topics

lol

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Umbreon
04/25/24 1:25:37 PM
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Seanchan posted...
Justice Elena Kagan pushed Trumps attorney on just how far presidential immunity could go, raising the hypothetical scenario of a military coup by an ex-president.
How about if a president orders the military to stage a coup? Kagan asked.
If its an official act, there needs to be impeachment and conviction beforehand through Congress, Trumps attorney, D. John Sauer, said.
Kagan asked if Sauer believed such a coup would be an official act.
On the way you described that hypothetical, it could well be, Sauer said.
That sure sounds bad, doesnt it? Kagan said.


Every week or so someone says some shit like this, and it's a grim reminder that no nation lasts forever. If this ever becomes the norm or even remotely acceptable, well we had a good run. Relatively speaking.

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Kaldrenthebold
04/25/24 1:28:03 PM
#41:


Complaining about needing to be on CE while posting on CE is not going to go too well, methinks.

But this board isn't really that bad IDK why everyone has their panties in a bunch about coming here. I would have preferred the Politics board to stay the one place to discuss politics and lock that one up but alas Fandom doesn't really think anything through.

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Seanchan
04/25/24 2:06:13 PM
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As he considers immunity in a case centered on a president's refusal to accept his electoral defeat, Justice Samuel Alito suggested that not giving presidents immunity will actually discourage peaceful transfers of power.
Alito pressed Michael Dreeben, the attorney for the special counsel, on the idea that an outgoing president who looses a hotly-contested election will be disincentivized from leaving office peacefully because he will fear prosecution by the administration of his successor, a "bitter political opponent."
Would that not "lead us into a cycle that destabilizes the functioning of our country as a democracy?" Alito asked.

"If you don't have immunity, then you won't give up power"

Okay, but if you have immunity, then you wouldn't have to give up power either, because you just kill everyone.

I understand a certain amount of this is Devil's advocate/"just asking questions", but that's some noodle twisting logic.

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Thorn
04/25/24 2:19:44 PM
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Maniac64 posted...
"Just impeach the person doing a military coup" is so stupid.

How exactly is that a solution? You think they won't use the military to shut down the impeachment hearing also?
It got worse. Later, Barrett of all people picked up where Kagan let off and presented the hypothetical (kinda paraphrased because I'm working from memory of listening to the arguments so I'm probably a bit off on the wording):

Barrett: "Using Justice Kagan's example let's say a president orders a military coup. Let's say that, for the sake of argument, he is impeached and convicted for it. Your position is that even then they would not be subject to criminal prosecution unless there was a statue that clearly stated the President could not do so?"

Sauer: "There would need to be a clear statement, yes."

Background: Another thing that Trump's legal team was arguing here was that unless a law explicitly says the President is subject to a criminal law (a "clear statement of Congress") that they can not be prosecuted for it. A law saying "anyone" or "any person" doesn't count - it has to explicitly name the President.

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TakashiMifune85
04/25/24 2:24:52 PM
#44:


Sorry folks, Ive never been to B8 but I would like to add my two cents if you all dont mind.

*ahem*

Fuck Fandom.

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KamikazePotato
04/25/24 2:25:51 PM
#45:


TakashiMifune85 posted...
Sorry folks, Ive never been to B8 but I would like to add my two cents if you all dont mind.

*ahem*

Fuck Fandom.
Then you're already an honorary member.

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AriaOfBolo
04/25/24 2:26:00 PM
#46:


TakashiMifune85 posted...
Sorry folks, Ive never been to B8 but I would like to add my two cents if you all dont mind.

*ahem*

Fuck Fandom.

so say we all

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Maniac64
04/25/24 2:29:47 PM
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Seanchan posted...
As he considers immunity in a case centered on a president's refusal to accept his electoral defeat, Justice Samuel Alito suggested that not giving presidents immunity will actually discourage peaceful transfers of power.
Alito pressed Michael Dreeben, the attorney for the special counsel, on the idea that an outgoing president who looses a hotly-contested election will be disincentivized from leaving office peacefully because he will fear prosecution by the administration of his successor, a "bitter political opponent."
But we don't currently have immunity and this has literal never happened!

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xenosaga
04/25/24 2:41:16 PM
#48:


Fuck fandom

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Grimlyn
04/25/24 2:41:29 PM
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tag because fuck fandom

Kaldrenthebold posted...
Complaining about needing to be on CE while posting on CE is not going to go too well, methinks.

But this board isn't really that bad IDK why everyone has their panties in a bunch about coming here. I would have preferred the Politics board to stay the one place to discuss politics and lock that one up but alas Fandom doesn't really think anything through.

It's the same reason I would never bother posting my XIV ID to hang out with people on the XIV board but I very much enjoy the one on our own board.

I like my friends and don't care about strangers. Board 8 is a long stable community of people who have all known each other since high school.

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Hbthebattle
04/25/24 3:07:39 PM
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gaming (fuck fandom)

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