Board 8 > Community Mafia Topic 5 - Anatomy of a Trainwreck

(+) Yeah! (+)

Good job on the protection last night, team.

Votals with 4.5 hours to go
[4] Knightz - (Taco/Mzero), (Taco/Mzero), (Ulti), (Ulti), Taco/Mzero, Wallz, (Ulti), Isquen, FD
[4] Wallz - Ben, (Ulti), Corrik, (Ctes), Chang, Blade
[2] Chang - (Peaf), (Ulti), MI, Knightz
Peaf, red and sbell had single votes down on others, and there were no votes active from igcd, Death, Kirby, ctes, or ulti.

Mzero, Wallz, Isquen, and fd stay on Knightz.

Ben, Corrik, and Blade all stay on wallz through eod. Chang moves to mi, and mi moves to knightz (could be argued for self preservation if nothing else, but wallz was also a possible candidate for him if mi is scum). All the other votes on Knightz come from people who had no active votes down at 4.5 hours to go (Death, Kirby, Ulti).

Votals with 1.2 hours to go
[5] Knightz - (Taco/Mzero), (Taco/Mzero), (Ulti), (Ulti), Taco/Mzero, Wallz, (Ulti), Isquen, FD, IGCD
[5] Wallz - Ben, (Ulti), Corrik, (Ctes), Chang, Blade, Kirby
[2] Chang - (Peaf), (Ulti), MI, Knightz
[2] MI - (IGCD), (Knightz), Red, Ulti

Prior to going on Knightz, Kirby went to wallz. This is what he had to say about it:
"I'm glad you said this because I was looking at the votals for my name and realized I voted the wrong guy holy shit".

If igcd hadn't gone on Knightz, Wallz would have been in the lead at that point and still refused to claim anything other than "confirmable" at 1.1hrs to lynch.

Kind of interesting how much votals didn't change much in those 3 hours.

So anyway unless wallz and mi are both scum i think i can replace Chang in my d1 town group with mi

It was you ctes. topic 3

I'd like to start the show here by asking everyone to consider who would be scum if I were a town lock.

lock.

your answers will be of great use sooner than you think. once the real performance begins.

I'd like to start the show here by asking everyone to consider who would be scum if I were a town lock.

lock.

your answers will be of great use sooner than you think. once the real performance begins.

I thought on a reread Kirby looked very town, based on how good that Knightz role is at least. I think it's when he puts his vote down that momentum shifted back and sealed it. Would be hardcore bussing.

Wallz said that Knightz was already dead might also have been him saying it was beating a dead horse. He was not though, it nearly shifted away. I think looking at it like that comes from defeated scum.

I also thought Blade kept avoiding most cases against Knightz only questioning a single quote.

Probably also scum in the people that just ignore mentioning Knightz all together.

Oh right you are. That was regarding IGCD considering he couldn't interact.

It was also MI though, he quoted that himself first post today, so we can say we were both right!

my brain doesn't work like that. like I am trying to come up with a logical answer to this and I don't know how

It was pretty hard to ignore. But you're right that it will be worthwhile to see who avoided it more than others.

I really dislike Kirby's "oh i voted the wrong guy thanks for letting me know" business, going from chang to wallz to knightz. And i don't think he should get much credit for putting Knightz over the edge in the lead there, especially if the team was focusing on damage control at that point.

I'd like to start the show here by asking everyone to consider who would be scum if I were a town lock.

lock.

your answers will be of great use sooner than you think. once the real performance begins.

if i flipped town on the spot right now, or perhaps last night, (let's say, shot by a vig), who's a scum player?

It took like 5 hours for someone to finally tell me Knightz did in fact actually claim something when I was assuming he never did a real claim.

Once MI's train stalled out the day was basically done, anyone going to Knightz afterwards doesn't get any credit.

IGCD, was that unvote you messing up?

Perhaps, I feel like him claiming specifically town vanilla wasn't the main point against him though.

Red death Kirby are my top suspicions right now, if you are town.

But your day 1 was so weird that it's not like i can do much "if A then B, if not A then Not B" regarding your alignment.

Yes. I thought Blade was going to try and scoop the last vote and forgot about the stupid flooding bullshit.

Yes. I thought Blade was going to try and scoop the last vote and forgot about the stupid flooding bullshit.

and yeah the igcd unvote... that left a salty taste.

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only because they are blatently town.

Red is town? Do go on.

Once MI's train stalled out the day was basically done, anyone going to Knightz afterwards doesn't get any credit.

death is super townlocked.

so you unvote with 12 seconds left? what did that prove?
you said you needed to do a thing 3 times.
no you didn't vote at all. what good was that?

If that's accurate then it honestly could have been that the knightz push at the end came from his mates that wanted him to stop making so many mistakes lol

Why

I wasn't able to get my vote back on because "you cannot post more than twice in 60 seconds"

and I can't say it even it means anything really but it's interesting that it became true, ehh?

The funny thing is, it looks like it stalled mostly by MI voting for Knightz.

Votals with 38 minutes left
[6] Knightz - (Taco/Mzero), (Taco/Mzero), (Ulti), (Ulti), Taco/Mzero, Wallz, (Ulti), Isquen, FD, (IGCD), Kirby, IGCD
[4] MI - (IGCD), (Knightz), Red, Ulti, Peaf, Chang
[3] Wallz - Ben, (Ulti), Corrik, (Ctes), (Chang), Blade, (Kirby)
[2] Chang - (Peaf), (Ulti), MI, Knightz

Votals with 25 minutes left
[7] Knightz - (Taco/Mzero), (Taco/Mzero), (Ulti), (Ulti), Taco/Mzero, Wallz, (Ulti), Isquen, FD, (IGCD), Kirby, (IGCD), MI, IGCD
[4] MI - (IGCD), (Knightz), Red, Ulti, Peaf, Chang
[3] Wallz - Ben, (Ulti), Corrik, (Ctes), (Chang), Blade, (Kirby)

Mi was previously on chang with Knightz, and in that 13 minute period his vote is the only one that moved.

Note that Death got confused between Mzero and MI in that time frame, too

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/73db2439.png
Knightz left a PLETHORA of information in his wake

This post makes Chang pretty clearly town. We know now that when Knightz claimed Luis Guzman he did in fact NOT have a full flavor claim prepared. So Chang was right on the money here. And there is no way that he announces this information to the whole game while suggesting to obliterate Knightz if he is on the same team.

Town points to FD in a lesser extent for applying the pressure in this critical moment. And remember that Knightz first responded to FD with "NO", before later saying he was putting together his claim. It does look like FD triggers Knightz here to go and put something together.

That's not enough to really convince me but I'll keep it in mind.

And if that's true, Chang, and you and Ulti are both town? Then that means the mi votes were 100% from town, and no scum tried to join in to get Knightz saved and use the super strong ability once before burying him on d2.

I was shown 1 real point of emphasis and from that post I judged awkward town. I made it clear I was not going back to read old posts. Blame yourselves or god tbqh.

I was the anti-Knightz push here. But I wasn't when Red voted me. I trust Ulti. So I most want us to look at Peaf and Chang

so you unvote with 12 seconds left? what did that prove?
you said you needed to do a thing 3 times.
no you didn't vote at all. what good was that?

Knightz appeared to be 3 actions rolled into one (RB, role scan AND flavor scan??) with the option to use his ability twice in the same night for 5 total actions. You can be damn sure I'm not pressuring him like that if he was a teammate unless I've already provided him with the perfect response, lol.

Btw it's good to see you Ben

I had zero interest in trying to do that btw. Lopen was hit by some kind of scum ability so I figured if you were telling the truth about the power you'd get for it you were town.

Knightz appeared to be 3 actions rolled into one (RB, role scan AND flavor scan??) with the option to use his ability twice in the same night for 5 total actions. You can be damn sure I'm not pressuring him like that if he was a teammate unless I've already provided him with the perfect response, lol.

Btw it's good to see you Ben

fucker, you just thought of everything didn't you.

Not a chance in hell you get me mislynched this game buddy.