Current Events > Bernie to Voters Abstaining Over Israel: 'Trump is even worse'

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Isn't there a whole thing in the Bible that you're not supposed to try to guess at when the second coming will be?

Isn't there a whole thing in the Bible that you're not supposed to try to guess at when the second coming will be?

I'm not sure how they participate in society without their morals being compromised.

How many of these folks are working for companies who donate to politicians? An overwhelming number of companies do, and an overwhelming number of politicians support Israel, so is that giving them your own support as well? In fact, simply living in America and benefiting from any of its resources is something of an act of hypocrisy. This is a nation that is founded on the basis of horrors committed against Native Americans and black people, and it isn't ancient history but still echoes to people's circumstances today.

They would say, "But I have to do those things to survive!" However I don't see how that compromise is any different than the compromises people make when voting. That just makes it looks like you're willing to bend the rules to help yourself but not others. Really I am not trying to be "Mr. Gotcha" here or say you simply shouldn't criticize Democrats. I just think it's nearly impossible to be an absolutist if you are trying to be intellectually honest with yourself.

The violence will continue no matter who you vote for.

It will also continue if you do nothing.

That isnt a choice. Its a vurtue signal.

There is exactly 1 avenue forward that will at least allow you to continue to try to end the violence on November 6th. And it's not sitting at home.

Ive said it before, and I will keep saying it:

Every single pro-palestine abstaining voter will be sitting home on Nov 5th praying to god that Kamala wins. Every single goddamn one. And the fact that that's true is all the evidence I need to prove that their decision is moronic.

Yeah, they should probably go vote instead of being non-contributing zeros.

Youre talking about people who blamed Joe Biden for Roe v. Wade being overturned.

Youre talking about people who blamed Joe Biden for Roe v. Wade being overturned.

Only God knows when it will happen. Not even Jesus knows

Imagine the awkwardness of Jesus when he just randomly respawns and he's like bwah

Something evil being pragmatic doesnt mean it stops being evil. And if it doesnt get called out, it will never change.

Americans: We should stay out of foreign affairs!

Non Americans: America should stay out of everyone else's business!

*War breaks out*

OMG WHY WON'T AMERICA DO MORE

There has also been polling data to suggest that stopping arms to Israel would be the popular move, even in swing states.

It might be political suicide to entirely abandon Israel, declare them an enemy and take of occupying them militarily, but no remotely serious person is really suggesting anything close to that. The closest to that is people strawmanning those of us who oppose the war crimes as wanting that.

Stop complaining that I'm stabbing you, because shooting you is worse! *stab stab*

This has been said since day one, always presented as if it's the first time the abstainer has heard it and as if they've never considered it, and it hasn't worked. You'd think they'd try a different tactic, but we're a week from the election and they haven't.

Maybe they're both bad enough to forfeit a vote in their favor? They seem to forget that's an option. They should try to figure out how to get someone to think Harris is good enough to vote FOR. This "Trump is worse" thing doesn't work if both are genocidal in these people's minds.

I think they've stuck with this tactic because there's nothing else to really say if there's not going to be a change in policy. It's too late for that at this point anyway, most likely. So, everyone will just keep talking past each other and whatever happens will happen.

I get that were voting for Kamala mostly to ensure Trump doesnt get another 4 years.

But I wonder how quickly the narrative here changes when she wins.

This whole It isnt ok to criticize democratsyet has gotten particularly stale and ridiculous.

because a single issue isn't handled the exact way they want it to.

What people do have a problem with is people throwing a fit and doing everything in their power to help Trump win screwing over everybody

What people do have a problem with is people throwing a fit and doing everything in their power to help Trump win

Just as a thought experiment, I wonder if there is a bloc of voters out there like hardcore racists who voted Trump in 2016, but now abstain because he never built the border wall.

Isn't there a whole thing in the Bible that you're not supposed to try to guess at when the second coming will be?

Americans: We should stay out of foreign affairs!

Non Americans: America should stay out of everyone else's business!

*War breaks out*

OMG WHY WON'T AMERICA DO MORE

Your opinion that this is some little quibble about the exact way to handle an issue and not the US government openly refusing to follow the law when it forbids support for genocide is noted.

To all the people who just love to downplay genocide at every opportunity, where is the line? What will you simply not support the government doing? We have government officials telling blatant lies in order to avoid following the law and the consequence is a continuing genocide. How much worse does it have to get for you to care?

Vote for Harris. That's fine. Don't downplay genocide or our illegal support for it.

I like the contrast between downplaying genocide and exaggerating this. No, they are not doing everything in their power to help Trump win. They're doing one simple thing that is essential for maintaining a functional democracy: protesting.

Where's all this fear coming from? Tell me it isn't about the color of their skin.

They would rather stand on moral highground and watch everything beneath them burn. The problem is that they either don't realize or don't care that fire will eventually reach them as well.

Seriously, this. Like imagine if you have family that is Palestinian that is a actively being slaughtered, and you want Biden / Harris to stop. You protest against it, and Biden / Harris shrugs and then invites more genocide to your people. When you threaten to not vote for them so they lose so they'll redirect their policy, the response is "think about transgender people though."

Like why is a person even supposed to care about anyone else when the response is to shrug and let you die because "the alternative is worse" despite the fact that there is effectively no difference on this stance?

So do people not remember that Trump literally said he would help Israel FINISH IT? Its going to be so much worse under Trump.

So do people not remember that Trump literally said he would help Israel FINISH IT? Its going to be so much worse under Trump.

Harris: Worked on trying to get a ceasefire

And that matters because?

"I'm going to kill you ASAP" versus "I'm going to kill you and act like there's nothing I can do about it?"

At least Option B isn't also threatening to take away your ability to criticize and protest the government's decision

What does it matter if they just flat out ignore you. I truly don't think it's clicking with you guys what genocide is.

What does it matter if they just flat out ignore you. I truly don't think it's clicking with you guys what genocide is.

I'd rather be ignored while protesting than beaten, jailed, and publicly executed as an enemy of the state

So you would much rather Trump get elected who will not only accerlate the genocide happening in Palestine, but also expand to genociding trans people here in the US.

If your single issue is "genocide is bad" then literally voting Harris to keep Trump out of office should be your top priority. If you do anything else then you simply don't care about this issue.

At least Option B isn't also threatening to take away your ability to criticize and protest the government's decision

Why is a person seeing their people die supposed to care? Like again, "thanks for being a sacrificial lamb for us! You did the right thing." Doesn't matter to them.

This might be the most ridiculous response I've read. Don't worry about genocide. Just do nothing. Voting for a shitty option to stop someone from committing genocide should be a red flag for how bad of an idea it is, and yet... That doesn't stop them.

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The centrist's compromise! This way everybody is happy!

So your solution to protest Harris from "supporting" a genocide ignoring the fact she has called for a ceasefire and wants a 2 state solution is to help the person who wants the genocide to be completed get elected.

I'm glad you care so much about genocide.

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The centrist's compromise! This way everybody is happy!

Because it hasn't stopped. "Trying" means nothing in the face of active genocide. Don't even try that bullshit high horse stance.

What's going on with Israel and Palestine is not something that will just end immediately. This isn't a fantasy story where both sides will come together and hug it out.

I get it is very easy to stand on the sidelines and believe that a push of a button will end the problem, but that's not how real life works.

Duh. That's not what's being asked for. So that's just a lie.

The reality is that you don't care enough about those people to even do so little as to understand why they're doing it.

Because it hasn't stopped. "Trying" means nothing in the face of active genocide. Don't even try that bullshit high horse stance.

Pretty much this.

Because it hasn't stopped. "Trying" means nothing in the face of active genocide. Don't even try that bulls*** high horse stance.

do they not understand under trump palestinians will no longer exist at all

They do not actually care about Palestinians. They care about publically masturbating over their moral purity.

Are you talking about the people who are anti-genocide or the democrats who are pro-genocide but use other minorities to project moral superiority with "but think of these other groups we're using as pawns to continue supporting genocide!!!!"?