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couldn't be me.

Anyway, here's the first 66 episodes of Three Kingdoms. Banger of a show.

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL618CCE37F4A1D6FD&si=YW1f43I9D_NNk8KA

Cao Pi.

lol

Verdekal posted...

Cao Pi.

lol

Suhn jee-ahn

Cow Cow

Haha...yeah...t-that'd be crazy...haha...

Dong Zhuo is a fuckin idiot though for real. Diaochan was meant for Lu Bu

>Fights Lu Bu as Wu Anguo in ROTK 10
>Wins
>Completely alters the timeline
>Gongsun Zan unites China ten years later

Storm_Shadow posted...

>Fights Lu Bu as Wu Anguo in ROTK 10
>Wins
>Completely alters the timeline
>Gongsun Zan unites China ten years later

ROTK 11 is always the best - play as Liu Yan and take advantage of his good starting position and strong officers to build a kingdom starting in Shu. Shame that power-up kit doesn't have an English version on Steam

ironman2009 posted...

Dong Zhuo is a fuckin idiot though for real. Diaochan was meant for Lu Bu

Heheheheheheh.... Dong

SSj4Wingzero posted...

ROTK 11 is always the best - play as Liu Yan and take advantage of his good starting position and strong officers to build a kingdom starting in Shu. Shame that power-up kit doesn't have an English version on Steam

Of the non-RPG style ROTK games, 11 is definitely my favorite. It has a lot of depth and is a great deal of fun.

ironman2009 posted...

couldn't be me.

Anyway, here's the first 66 episodes of Three Kingdoms. Banger of a show.

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL618CCE37F4A1D6FD&si=YW1f43I9D_NNk8KA

people say the 90s series was a better interpretation of ROTK but I prefer the 2010 one for the memes
https://imgur.com/RcvjeU3

FearlessMango posted...

people say the 90s series was a better interpretation of ROTK but I prefer the 2010 one for the memes
https://imgur.com/RcvjeU3

I just started watching the 2010 version yesterday and am already up to episode 15. It's got it's hooks in me something fierce.

ironman2009 posted...

couldn't be me.

Anyway, here's the first 66 episodes of Three Kingdoms. Banger of a show.

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL618CCE37F4A1D6FD&si=YW1f43I9D_NNk8KA

Best scene is Yuan Shao and Cao Cao having some tea and talking before the battle. I used Cao Cao' little "I got you" then the dance away gif for years

Edit. Some one posted it. Lmao

vycebrand2 posted...

Best scene is Yuan Shao and Cao Cao having some tea and talking before the battle. I used Cao Cao' little "I got you" then the dance away gif for years

Edit. Some one posted it. Lmao

the actor for cao cao is so good in the 2010 series

FearlessMango posted...

the actor for cao cao is so good in the 2010 series

I've watched that series 3 times. He's great throught.

Heres is some BTS info. Zhang Fei's actor is not speaking chinese. It's gibberish. It has a large cast but they reuse some actors. You will spot them when you see them. There are a total of 95 episodes. It cost over 100 million to make. I like they also use Courtesy names. You can buy the show but the English translation is poor. What you are watching is the fan translation.

I'm about to rewatch the series again soon. I perfer to watch it on a tablet because you can watch the subtitles better that way

Cao Cao is an asshole.

Zhou Tai solos.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/5de705b1.jpg

Unless you are Guan Yu

Gonna go fight Lu Bu, will post the vid in a bit.

Umbreon posted...

Gonna go fight Lu Bu, will post the vid in a bit.

Man I got my ass kicked, I'm not posting that shit

Umbreon posted...

Man I got my ass kicked, I'm not posting that shit

F in the chat for Ding Yuan

Umbreon posted...

Man I got my ass kicked, I'm not posting that shit

expected

Umbreon posted...

Man I got my ass kicked, I'm not posting that shit

lmao

ironman2009 posted...

Cao Cao is an asshole.

I'd rather betray the world than the world betray me.

Hey Lu Bu, check out that hot chick... she's totally into you

Hey Cao Cao, check out that hot chick... she's totally into you

Tadakatsu Honda

UnfairRepresent posted...

Tadakatsu Honda

Tadakatsu vs Guan Yu

ironman2009 posted...

Cao Cao is an asshole.

To be fair, the novel was written by a huge fan of Shu so the narrative is biased. I've always felt that Cao Cao probably wasn't as evil as the book tries to portray him. Also Liu Bei isn't innocent. He throws baby Liu Chan on the ground after Zhao Yu or Zhao Yun (I forget which is which. I'm thinking of the Shu general with a spear) rescues the baby. But his dad cares more about his general almost dying and takes out his anger on Liu Chan. Who somehow survived being thrown on the ground ands grows up to be a shitty ruler who gets conquered eventually

Zikten posted...

To be fair, the novel was written by a huge fan of Shu so the narrative is biased. I've always felt that Cao Cao probably wasn't as evil as the book tries to portray him. Also Liu Bei isn't innocent. He throws baby Liu Chan on the ground after Zhao Yu or Zhao Yun (I forget which is which. I'm thinking of the Shu general with a spear) rescues the baby. But his dad cares more about his general almost dying and takes out his anger on Liu Chan. Who somehow survived being thrown on the ground ands grows up to be a shitty ruler who gets conquered eventually

You also consider his claim is very tenuous at best. Its one of the reason I never joined the Liu bei and shu fan club. I supported Wu because at best they want to be left to their own devices. They really wanted Jing because of the loss of sun jian. I believe if Shu and Wu had worked together and not let the fighting over take everything and concentrate of fighting Wei. They would have won. The outcome I see would be liu bei taking the throne with Shu and Wu having a truce.

At first I thought this topic would be about DW: Origins. Apparently your create-a-character can try to rizz up Lu Bu.

As for baby tosser Liu Bei, yeah, it was Zhao Yun who rescued the child only for that to be the result.

In RoTK Cao Cao gets treated like Nobunaga-lite. That leaves Wu to be the flip-flop force in the story, ultimately failing in the end.

Imagine losing to Lu Bu in anything other than DW4's duel with him/the demo for Origins. Lol.

ellis123 posted...

Imagine losing to Lu Bu in anything other than DW4's duel

I shamelessly did the trick of entering first person mode with the bow while staring at the picket wall so Lu Bu's character model would be unloaded from the game. After taking a short coffee break the game would resume with only a small loss of morale for your side.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/055614c0.jpg

He did have 1004 marks in DW 5. I was looking for a different wordage but heh here's Lu Bu!!!!

DuneMan posted...

I shamelessly did the trick of entering first person mode with the bow while staring at the picket wall so Lu Bu's character model would be unloaded from the game. After taking a short coffee break the game would resume with only a small loss of morale for your side.

That's practically the only way to do it. Even running around after hitting him once is impossible, and that's still vastly more likely than actually beating him legit.

It was just so crazy. I could crush him pretty bad out in the field, but the second I was in the duel his boosts kicked in and the best I ever got him to was about half health (or so).

Zikten posted...

To be fair, the novel was written by a huge fan of Shu so the narrative is biased. I've always felt that Cao Cao probably wasn't as evil as the book tries to portray him. Also Liu Bei isn't innocent. He throws baby Liu Chan on the ground after Zhao Yu or Zhao Yun (I forget which is which. I'm thinking of the Shu general with a spear) rescues the baby. But his dad cares more about his general almost dying and takes out his anger on Liu Chan. Who somehow survived being thrown on the ground ands grows up to be a shitty ruler who gets conquered eventually

Liu Bei betrayed damn near everyone he ever served under so there's that

And the thing with Liu Shan is...I do not think he was nearly as bad a ruler as thought. He reigned for 40 years (the same amount of time between the Yellow Turban Rebellion and Liu Bei's death) and his court was generally free of a lot of the palace intrigue that plagued the other two kingdoms - Wei had the Sima family basically take over and subjugate the Cao family, whereas Wu was basically nothing but coups/executions/palace backstabbings from Sun Quan's late reign onwards.

He wasn't able to defeat Wei in battle, but he kept peace with Wu, and when Wei came knocking and it was apparent that Wei was too powerful to be defeated, Liu Shan surrendered Shu and therefore spared the lives of millions of people who might have otherwise been killed in the crossfire.

Isn't Cao Cao way more revered outside of RotK? I mean he was not only a charismatic and liked leader of what was very clearly the largest leading faction, he was also a scholar. There are a lot of pretty famous historical books that specifically go out of their way to include Cao Cao's commentary in them, namely The Art of War. His poems were also quite well known and preserved throughout the years. In terms of war, he wasn't quite up to Zhuge Liang in terms of tactics, but in general, he's almost never lost, and his underlings were arguably loyal on the level of Zhang Fei or Guan Yu to Liu Bei.

Liu Bei on the other hand, he was the likeable underdog with great people skills, but he was just about mediocre at everything else. If he didn't have his lineage, he probably wouldn't have gotten as much attention as he ended up getting.

legendarylemur posted...

Isn't Cao Cao way more revered outside of RotK? I mean he was not only a charismatic and liked leader of what was very clearly the largest leading faction, he was also a scholar. There are a lot of pretty famous historical books that specifically go out of their way to include Cao Cao's commentary in them, namely The Art of War. His poems were also quite well known and preserved throughout the years. In terms of war, he wasn't quite up to Zhuge Liang in terms of tactics, but in general, he's almost never lost, and his underlings were arguably loyal on the level of Zhang Fei or Guan Yu to Liu Bei.

Liu Bei on the other hand, he was the likeable underdog with great people skills, but he was just about mediocre at everything else. If he didn't have his lineage, he probably wouldn't have gotten as much attention as he ended up getting.

Realistically Liu Bei wasn't even likable. He kept backstabbing his family members who took him in after he fled a battle he lost.

legendarylemur posted...

Isn't Cao Cao way more revered outside of RotK?

Not really. While well known he is mostly viewed more positively because of RotTK. Otherwise people more remember him for going crazy and killing a bunch of people that tried to help him. Or the time he killed Hou Tou because the latter wouldn't help him with a headache.

Or like my Chinese roommate, who immediately brought up about how he was surprised the he kept getting depictions that were good looking as he is known in China more for being ugly.

shit, i haven't been able to watch any episodes in the last 2 days. i gotta get in on the conversation.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Realistically Liu Bei wasn't even likable. He kept backstabbing his family members who took him in after he fled a battle he lost.

Liu Bei was very popular with the common people; that's not a made-up for the novel thing. The most popular depiction of how much the people loved him was people following him south to flee Cao Cao (which lead to Changban because Liu Bei refused to abandon the people; it's noted that he could have easily made it to the city he was heading to if he left the people behind and kind of punctuated by Guan Yu going on ahead and coming back with boats).

Historically Liu Bei was not known to be very kill-happy like Cao Cao and Sun Quan were; Cao Cao for instance had a standing military policy to massacre any enemy that didn't surrender before the battle (so you can imagine this happened a lot; Yu Jin's biography, I think, has an anecdote about it where he had to kill one of his friends because of this). So when Liu Bei makes that rare instance when he does order someone killed (most people like to bring up Liu Feng, who was also a historical screwup that came off slightly better in the novel) it's more notable and some people don't seem to like putting that into perspective against his contemporaries.

Amakusa posted...

Liu Bei was very popular with the common people; that's not a made-up for the novel thing. The most popular depiction of how much the people loved him was people following him south to flee Cao Cao (which lead to Changban because Liu Bei refused to abandon the people; it's noted that he could have easily made it to the city he was heading to if he left the people behind and kind of punctuated by Guan Yu going on ahead and coming back with boats).

Yeah being popular with the people wasn't a made-up thing, but he wasn't entirely ultra-virtuous either. He was virtuous, well-liked, opportunistic, and ambitious at the same time, which is why many rulers didn't trust him much - they were scared that his popularity would lead to power and then his power would lead to him taking over. I seem to recall that some of Liu Zhang's vassals urged him not to take in Liu Bei for this very reason, and of course, they were right (the other ones were actively undermining Liu Zhang and scheming to replace him).

An anecdote of Liu Bei being not *nearly* as bad as the others is when he didn't execute Huang Quan's family. Huang Quan defected to Wei because his troops were surrounded by Wu (this is around Yi Ling time) and he couldn't make it back to Shu. Liu Bei, of course, does not execute Huang Quan's family (that is generally the custom that happens to defectors) and is well-regarded for this. Sun Quan, by contrast, in his older years became a bit unhinged - his handling of his succession was truly horrible.

Liu Bei doesn't quite age well either. He was highly responsible for the major loss at Yiling near the end of his life due to his hubris that because he's been a warlord for so long, he can wield a big army as capably as Zhuge Liang. He looked down on a general that he thinks he's completely overpowered and was hit with an unexpected attack, in which some versions say Zhuge Liang saw their camp formation too late and ordered the execution of whoever foolish enough to set up camp in such a way. Realizing it was Liu Bei, Zhuge Liang expected the defeat as well as Cao Pi's opportune attack and set up to cut their losses by allying with Sun Quan.

In general, Liu Bei's probably lost more battles that he was responsible for than he's won. He's probably one of the best in terms of cutting his losses and running away, but that's about it. His status and the fact that he's built himself up from nearly nothing did eventually get to his head, though he was quite old by this point. But yeah the quality of his people skills is pretty much never in doubt. He was if a character in a CRPG went all in on Charisma and nearly nothing else.

Don't forget the novel also has Liu Bei crying because he was super touched some guy made soup out of his wife and fed it to him.

where can i watch the last 30 episodes?

solosnake posted...

where can i watch the last 30 episodes?

Its under War of the Three Kingdoms. There are HD versions out there. I know because I watched those the 2nd time I watched the series

solosnake posted...

where can i watch the last 30 episodes?

same uploader has them on their channel on another playlist

thanks

legendarylemur posted...

Liu Bei doesn't quite age well either. He was highly responsible for the major loss at Yiling near the end of his life due to his hubris that because he's been a warlord for so long, he can wield a big army as capably as Zhuge Liang. He looked down on a general that he thinks he's completely overpowered and was hit with an unexpected attack, in which some versions say Zhuge Liang saw their camp formation too late and ordered the execution of whoever foolish enough to set up camp in such a way. Realizing it was Liu Bei, Zhuge Liang expected the defeat as well as Cao Pi's opportune attack and set up to cut their losses by allying with Sun Quan.

I *think* Zhuge Liang mentioning that Liu Bei's camp formation was a disaster is a novel-only thing. Wikipedia mentions Cao Pi remarking that a string of camps so far apart is a mistake, but that's about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYpJ37ulsnk