Current Events > If the USA really move to annex Canada, who can realistically stop them?

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As underrated as the Canadian army is, it would only be a matter of time before the US military wipes out all resistance.

Will rest of the world really come to Canada's help? Being the pessimist that I am, I highly doubt it.

On a practical level, the only country who can stop this invasion is the USA itself. At this point, I am not even sure if the majority of the population in the USA would either care or be against Trump taking over Canada. The apathy on this topic I currently see from the US mainstream media is deafening.

No one. I say that as a Canadian

Do I want to become an American? No

Am I going to fight in a hopeless battle? No

But trump has never said military, seems he want to do it through economics

Blue_Popo posted...

But trump has never said military, seems he want to do it through economics

So Trump is that kind of Civ player, huh?

Geiki_Ganger posted...

As underrated as the Canadian army is, it would only be a matter of time before the US military wipes out all resistance.

Will rest of the world really come to Canada's help? Being the pessimist that I am, I highly doubt it.

On a practical level, the only country who can stop this invasion is the USA itself. At this point, I am not even sure if the majority of the population in the USA would either care or be against Trump taking over Canada. The apathy on this topic I currently from the US mainstream media is deafening.

Uh... NATO

You realize Russia worked so hard to keep Ukraine out of NATO so it wouldn't have to fight

All the treaties and alliances would pit us against a huge chunk of the world

Can you imagine trying to keep a country the size of Canada under control?

The US and Canada defence structure is too intertwined for a surprise invasion. Trump would need to shutter NORAD, close border crossings, withdraw personnel from airports (US customs processing is done on the Canada side).

In the lead up to anything that smells even remotely like an invasion the market would crater, not to mention all the Canada friendly states that tanks would need to travel through which would secede and start another civil war.

evilpresident posted...

Can you imagine trying to keep a country the size of Canada under control?

The population size is around the same as California. Won't be that difficult.

Canada has a lot of allies that will not allow it to be invaded just like that without a fight.

There are alot of American Troops that will not go through with such orders, and many will most likely defect. Many Americans have family in Canada, they would be asked to burn their homes and murder their own families.

Especially when it is clear that Canada will not bend over and surrender right away.

If America goes through with any invasion, be it canada or mexico, it just means any country can be next. Best time to act is before countries are defeated one by one. While they still have the military power to do so.

Taking Canada will not be so easy. And it will be extremely costly for both sides no matter what.

Geiki_Ganger posted...

The population size is around the same as California. Won't be that difficult.

the size of the actual country, not the population. it would be like trying to hold Russia. IMPOSSIBLE.

Me.

They don't know it but I have the black materia.

I hate how this scenario is even remotely a possibility now. A tiny possibility but still depressing as a Canadian that I have to think about this.

Geiki_Ganger posted...

The population size is around the same as California. Won't be that difficult.

Country, not population. There is a big difference there

ScazarMeltex posted...

What was the population of Vietnam?

around the same size as canadas population right now. give or take a few mill (40 mill)

Geiki_Ganger posted...

The population size is around the same as California. Won't be that difficult.

Also same as Afghanistan

Only thing that'd stop it is a revolt from the military to refuse to carry it out.

As others have said, a revolt or NATO going against the US. Plus, I doubt the citizens will sit idly by and let this happen.

rideshort posted...

I doubt the citizens will sit idly by and let this happen.

I'm sure all the angry typing they do on various social media platforms, and the tiny Canadian flags they buy to put on their car or house window will make all the difference.

Imagine the morale of the Canadian population after having its army destroyed. That suuurely wouldnt create even more resistance.

not_KDTProjekt posted...

I'm sure all the angry typing they do on various social media platforms, and the tiny Canadian flags they buy to put on their car or house window will make all the difference.

Thats in bad taste

Canada cannot be held not by an outsider. Its too big and too wild. And when NATO comes, the 3 branches of government together couldnt save Trump and his MAGA army.

I am not under any sort of delusion that the Canadian Armed Forces could beat the full might of the U.S military, But the problem with it would be the same problem the U.S has always had, Holding the country peacefully, both Afghanistan and Iraq in recent Memory were just non stop resistance, now think about how that would be in a country much much larger then the others, With over all more materials to use, how it would go,

There is also the fact that more then likely the U.S government would face Strong opposition from within over this since this whole pissing of trump's match isn't really that popular

This fantasy of a Canadian insurgency really needs to be put to bed. The Canadian population is unarmed. The only fighting that will take place is from the Canadian military, rebellions in the US proper, and NATO if they even show up.

There are issues with the President including betrayal hence what if America gets into a war say in the middle east and they have to fight alongside the British and the British turn on an American squad after a battle, could happen even now.

CARRRNE_ASADA posted...

Thats in bad taste

In what way, exactly? How else do you think the general American population would show support for and/or defend Canada? Because that's about as much effort as the average individual is willing to put in.

not_KDTProjekt posted...

In what way, exactly? How else do you think the general American population would show support for and/or defend Canada? Because that's about as much effort as the average individual is willing to put in.

You aren't wrong, BUT, not every American is "the average individual". And there are a hell of a lot of Americans. A tiny percent of a huge number, generally still ends up being a pretty huge number.

Frostshock posted...

This fantasy of a Canadian insurgency really needs to be put to bed. The Canadian population is unarmed. The only fighting that will take place is from the Canadian military, rebellions in the US proper, and NATO if they even show up.

according to a quick google search 26% of Canadian households have a gun.

they have bears and shit up there

If we are able to take Canada, Mexico will be next Canada's fate hinges entirely on their allies being willing to back them up if they're on their own they're cooked especially with an administration like this that would encourage our soldiers to just raze everything to the ground kill everyone they see and not worry about rules of engagement laws or any of that. It'd be rather easy to sell a war with Canada to US citizens, this country is full of stupid bigoted assholes so propaganda and outright lies will be enough and the cowards in congress and the senate as well as those who would love a new armed conflict due to their finance ties in the military will be all for it.

I think people equate conquering to governing. Yes, theoretically the US can blow up most countries, but that's different than occupying it or governing it

It's why we have so much trouble overseas. If Canada is hostile to us then it wont make occupying easy. Especially with domestic issues at home and a fractured political system, it would be fighting an external war and internal war at the same time.

Like with Russia & Ukraine, defeating Ukraine is one thing, but the hardest task is reassimilating them and removing threats of rebellion once occupied.

Trump's just obsessed with Canada because he thinks poutine is the president of Russia.

thronedfire2 posted...

according to a quick google search 26% of Canadian households have a gun.

they have bears and shit up there

Almost everyone who lives in a major population center close to the border not only doesn't have a gun, they've never seen one in real life.

It's only farmers and people who live much further north who are likely to have a gun. And we're still talking like hunting rifles that need to be reloaded after a few shots.

Fucking NATO.

The US is fucking shit at occupation, after 20 years we couldn't defeat goat farmers in Afghanistan.

evilpresident posted...

Can you imagine trying to keep a country the size of Canada under control?

Don't most Canadians live within 100 miles of the border? I think the majority of Canada's landmass is unsettled wilderness

Did not have Red Dawn 2025 remake being US invading Canada.

Zikten posted...

Don't most Canadians live within 100 miles of the border? I think the majority of Canada's landmass is unsettled wilderness

And Trump would have absolutely zero problem sending a bunch of 19 year olds fresh out of basic into that wilderness, never to be seen again.

I mean Ive seen simulations where the US military can basically take on the rest of the worlds military and win at least some of the time. At the very least, were the only military in the world with a shot at such a feat. So realistically nothing could stop it if the military actually went along with it and didnt tank (pun intended) the initiative on purpose.

Keeping it, however, is an entirely different story. The damn winter would see to that by itself.

Mexico

Canada's best resistance isn't the military, it's the francophones.

America has managed to piss them off to the point where they agree with the rest of Canada. You managed to accomplish what the Canadian government couldn't.

Frostshock posted...

Almost everyone who lives in a major population center close to the border not only doesn't have a gun, they've never seen one in real life.

That's objectively not true, I know a number of people who own guns.

Full-scale war between two or more NATO members has never occurred, and is not allowed by Article 1. Should conflict occur, there is not a well-established procedure as to what would happen. One argument is that by Article 8, the two members fall under abeyance of the Treaty; or that due to Article 5, NATO allies would thus enter into war against the aggressor party.

Even setting aside NATO, the US could definitely conquer Canada but could never govern it, regardless of the guns Canada does or doesn't have. It would just be Iraq again but this time sharing a border with the US.

NeonPhoenix posted...

So Trump is that kind of Civ player, huh?

Either this or just make peer population pressure like Eleanor.

It was a fun way to play the game but things could go south VERY fast.

Canada, NATO, Americans

Russia and China would start delivering weapons to Canada

lol what a timeline

ALIEN_WORK2HOP posted...

Russia and China would start delivering weapons to Canada

lol what a timeline

I was about to go lol wut.

Than I realized, oh yeah, of course, it would be revenge against the US for them.
They would love nothing more than to see the American Military be destroyed.

Which is why at the last minute, america and canada should go psyche than turn their armies towards Russia!

MUahahaha okay im delirious now.

What would happen if Canada were to say, "Ok, but only if we're admitted as a state, or a bunch of states (like each province and territory becomes a state)?"

I'm not sure how new states are handled with the House until the next Census comes around. In 1959, when Alaska and Hawaii were admitted, they each got 1 rep in the House, temporarily increasing the House to 437, until after the reapportionment following the 1960 Census. The House dropped back to 435 after the reapportionment, with Hawaii getting a second rep while Alaska has never had more than 1. Would Canada just get 1 rep until after the 2030 Census reapportionment, or 50+ given that their population roughly matches California?

I've seen a number of commenters on the right say it would be better to leave Canada a territory because they realize the impact on the House and Electoral College would most likely go against Republicans. The Senate, too, if Canada came in as multiple states. I imagine Trump keeps saying 51st state because his handlers haven't explained to him how bad that would be for them election-wise.

Built Nukes

Until then call France to borrow some of theirs

Same for Mexico.