Current Events > Nintendo vs Apple: who overprices more?

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By this logic all gaming systems are overpriced compared to phones/PCs. I mean you cant even use dedicated home consoles without it being chained to monitors/TVs so might as well add in the cost of compatible TVs/monitors for PS5/Xbox series.

well yeah, most of the world is basically run on computers. Without any specific criteria other than company X being pricier than company Y you kinda have to go with what what each companys products bring to the table.

Pretty much all of them sell enough to make up the budget since they dont spend hundreds of millions on showing every pore on a characters skin. Theyve also said that they use the profits from their huge games to help fund their more experimental games which I believe is a good thing, something Sony and MS is near incapable of doing now.

Right, but the similar logic here is that Nintendo is the best at being a portable with traditional console qualities

They also dont spend on making their games function properly with stable frame rates. Or just release games in alpha like Pokemon.

Damn near all of the top 100 best-selling Switch games are Nintendo properties
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Nintendo_Switch_video_games

By comparison, the best-selling lists for PS4, PS5, and Xbox One (there isn't an article for Xbox Series Whatever yet)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_PlayStation_4_video_games
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_PlayStation_5_video_games
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Xbox_One_video_games

How much better do Nintendo games need to sell at their price point before they're considered to be "selling well"?

They also dont spend on making their games function properly with stable frame rates. Or just release games in alpha like Pokemon.

Experimental games are good and Nintendo is finally getting better in this area, but lets not pretend they werent as stale as anyone for a long time. Decades of same old sanitized New Mario bros, no original characters allowed in Paper Mario, etc.

Which other examples did you have in mind for this besides Pokemon, which isn't even developed by Nintendo themselves?

Also, you forgot to answer the question in post 47.

Release an underpowered and unique console that will make 3rd party titles and cross platforming impossible.

Then beat chest about all your top selling games being first party.

Really?

You can measure expectations vs sales. Some games flop and dont receive discounts that they would benefit from.

A lot of Switch 1 titles have glaring performance problems.

Some games flop and dont receive discounts that they would benefit from.

Of course Nintendo games sell like hot cakes on Nintendo systems, their base doesn't have any other games to play.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_Switch_games_(0%E2%80%939)
There are 4027 games on the Switch.

What are the sales like of cross platform games on Switch compared to the sales of the same game on a different console?

Of course Nintendo games sell like hot cakes on Nintendo systems, their base doesn't have any other games to play.

Irrelevant to the statement that "Nintendo games don't sell well".

Pokmon is like the one franchise that emulates the modern AAA industry by being annual cashgrabs that release in non-functional states and thats mostly on gamefreak and even thats because Nintendo lets their studios work on their own pace. What was non-functional about Mario Odyssey, BOTW, Smash Ultimate, Kirby Forgotten Land, Xenoblade 2, Pikmin 4, Metroid Dread, Animal Crossing NH etc?

What are the sales like of cross platform games on Switch compared to the sales of the same game on a different console?

Latest data had 60% of PlayStations sales being Microsoft titles, the titles that hasnt been able to put Xbox Series numbers above 30 million. The majority of PS players are playing Fortnite, Roblox, and Genshin Impact. In fact Genshin Impact might be Sonys biggest lifesaver right now.

Must have been someone else, cause a good boy didn't say that.

Must have been someone else, cause a good boy didn't say that.

considering the switch has 1.4 BILLION in soft ware sales

i think its safe to say 3rd party games sell well on it

why are you talking about your self in the 3rd person

Theyve always been funding experimental games. They got bayonetta because nobody else wanted to publish it. HD-2D were carried by them. They made their own 1st party visual novel nearly 3 decades after their latest entry while Sony and MS has ghosted nearly all their IPs from before 2010.

Pokmon is like the one franchise that emulates the modern AAA industry by being annual cashgrabs that release in non-functional states and thats mostly on gamefreak and even thats because Nintendo lets their studios work on their own pace. What was non-functional about Mario Odyssey, BOTW, Smash Ultimate, Kirby Forgotten Land, Xenoblade 2, Pikmin 4, Metroid Dread, Animal Crossing NH etc?

Look at the actual sales numbers, and how they dwarf the top selling games on the competing consoles, be they first or third party. You said that Nintendo games "don't sell well", but the numbers demonstrate that they consistently sell better than the vast majority of console releases.

The highest-selling game on any of the competition's sales charts, Spider-Man for the PS4, would be ranked as #8 against the Switch releases. The numbers for PS5 and Xbox One break in at #22 and #23 respectively (not counting numbers being shifted from other games on a combined sales chart).

Even at a perpetually full price of $60-70, and competing against games that regularly go on sale, Nintendo is outselling the competition by a LOT.

So, I ask again. How much better do Nintendo games need to sell at their price point before they're considered to be "selling well"?

Cause I thought it would be funny. Your mileage may vary with that one.

Follow the legal rules for emulation and experience those titles as they were meant to be in consistent frames without snares and hiccups.

They should either beef up the hardware or allow devs to better optimize. They choose neither and hand you a copy without discount. Which if youre happy with that, cool, but it doesnt compare favorably to the polish and hardware of Apple that can be had at standard entry level prices.

sounds more like you forgot to change accounts

It needs to sell well according to analysts expectations that factor in that Nintendo has a large install base with relatively few games and they dont have to compete against an infinite number of 3rd party bangers.

Breath of the Wild ran like absolute garbage. 22 FPS or less most of the time.

I'll talk a lot of shit about Breath of the Wild and how I really, really dislike it, but "it ran like absolute garbage" is not something I can say about it in good faith.

Which analysts?

I'll talk a lot of shit about Breath of the Wild and how I really, really dislike it, but "it ran like absolute garbage" is not something I can say about it in good faith.

If Nintendo had as many big titles as other consoles/PC, the individual sales of those first party games would not be close to what they are now.

they do

again they have 1.4 BILLION in soft ware sales on the switch

Apple and it isn't even close, lmao. Get back to me when the Switch is $1300.

I think were talking past each other.

It would not have the same install base per game ratio and individual sales would drop. Its just math.

Those employed by Nintendo (you can tell when one flops youll never see them try that again) and those that are shareholders in the company and factor everything in context. Expectations arent well kept secrets.

If Nintendo had as many big titles as other consoles/PC, the individual sales of those first party games would not be close to what they are now.

Play it on legal emulation and youll never unsee just how poorly it ran.

Apple and it isn't even close, lmao. Get back to me when the Switch is $1300.

switch is the highest selling in both hardware and software for any 9th generation console

and its still not viewed as a success by you

You cannot compare individual game sales on a console with no competition vs individual game sales on a much more diluted base.

You've got a reeeeeal problem with making vague claims and not providing any actual sources to back them up, you know that?

Again: Which analysts? You say the expectations aren't well kept secrets, so share those expectations and name those analysts.

Nintendo literally releases more first-party titles than their console competition. The abundance of PC titles are irrelevant as Nintendo is not and has never been in direct competition with them.

"It runs better here" does not mean it ran poorly somewhere else.