Board 8 > JC finishes playing through Danganronpa V3 from Case 2 onward *spoilers*

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not quite done yet yeah, just doing closing arguments

also when they were putting the dog statue on top nobody noticed a strange protrusion under the cloth? and you expect me to believe that the dog statue wasn't wobbly and off-balance?

still in closing arguments, just rambling at this point

okay Chapter 3 end, case can be fully discussed now (with nothing going into C4 of course)

Chaeix posted...

sidenote i think tsumugi is 100% going to kill someone at some point by cosplaying as them or someone else - a frame job, if i may

but what about the cospox?

azuarc posted...

but what about the cospox?

lefty reminded me of this, it's been over 3 years since i did the first case and this was all mentioned so i had forgotten

I don't have any contributions to the trial itself but as someone who has an anthropology degree, I was disappointed Kiyo didn't last longer. I'm in the vast minority on that though lol

Case 3 is such a huge disappointment. It had the greatest buildup for a case of all-time, and then nothing it promised came to fruition at all, and the murders themselves ended up being a complete wet fart.

And Kiyo was my favorite character going into this case. Having him kill Tenko but not Angie would've been such a fun dynamic going forward, as the cast has to deal with this confirmed killer in their midst, a huge threat looming over them constantly. But nah, he's just some insane siscon serial killer because........?

Needless to say, he did not end up my favorite character by the end lol

Paratroopa1 posted...

Having Kiyo also be Angie's killer is a missed opportunity.

I think this is a pretty universal take among the fandom.

I didn't necessarily like Kiyo, or at least what they did with him in case 3, so I was just kinda happy that case was over. OTOH, prior to how case 3 turned out, he seemed like he had the potential to be a very interesting character, but instead he just ends up being another Celeste -- elaborate outfit and a weirdly botched double murder. (Or not botched, technically, since he got what he wanted. Eat salt shaker, asshole.)

Now that it's over, why are the case 3s always bad? Like, okay, you're going to do a double murder, but you could do a double murder in an interesting way. This case would have been so much more fun if the killer of the second victim had been someone else, and now there was just a random murderer in their midst. But no, they completely squandered that potential.

I'm looking forward to hearing the commentary on case 4, btw.

I whiffed on Case 3 too btw. Totally thought Tenko killed Angie. Then when Kiyo needed a host for Angie, Himiko offered to play the part, and when Tenko butted in to offer instead, Himiko had figured out that she was going to try and sabotage the ritual so Angie couldn't tell them Tenko was the killer and hatched a plot to kill her back, which would've left Himiko as a killer among them afterward too.

Man, there were so many ways this could've been a better case but NOPE

the best part of case 3 is that it got rid of my two least-favorite characters

thank you Kiyo

My hot take: The best of the case 3 double-murders is actually the one in DR1. The other double murders are lame, the one in DR1 was at least an attempt at there being a reason for two murders

I think DR2 had the best reason for there being two murders, even if that reason was just "The second person was just in the wrong place at the wrong time."

Paratroopa1 posted...

My hot take: The best of the case 3 double-murders is actually the one in DR1. The other double murders are lame, the one in DR1 was at least an attempt at there being a reason for two murders

yeah and motivationally, going from kirumi to kiyo is some serious fucking quality whiplash

Mewtwo59 posted...

I think DR2 had the best reason for there being two murders, even if that reason was just "The second person was just in the wrong place at the wrong time."

Yeah, I think it's boring and doesn't add anything to the case though

Chapter 3 is the lowpoint of V3 I think.

But it is....just a BANGER from here on out.

I love Case 4.

We don't need to be discussing/hyping future cases. Please don't live up to the DR fanbase expectations, we are better than that.

Yeah it's kind of a waste not to let Kiyo live.

Maybe it'll be something they do in 2x2!

Updated Character Rankings as of Case 3

Maki > Miu > (Kaede) > Kokichi > (Kirumi) > (Rantaro) > Shuichi > (Kiyo) > Keebo > Kaito > Gonta > (Ryoma) > (Tenko) > Tsumugi > (Angie) > Himiko

This case was really Maki's time to shine. I definitely didn't expect her to come out of her shell and give me Kirigiri-but-not-a-detective vibes and her being an assassin instead of child caregiver is great. Himiko is just a fucking waste of a character slot unless she actually starts doing some goddamn magic. She contributes nothing and is giving me Asahina flashbacks, especially with Tenko's death kinda giving me Sakura death vibes. Tsumugi stopped making fun references and is just... there... and also joined the cult. Kiyo dropped a fair bit for obvious reasons, victim of a bad case. Gonta's as low as he is because he just has no depth. He makes helpful comments sometimes but he's very one-note.

MrSmartGuy posted...

We don't need to be discussing/hyping future cases. Please don't live up to the DR fanbase expectations, we are better than that.

If we can't say "I like this next case" then I think we are overcompensating.

I thought the fourth case was not very good

who knows where jc will land on this spectrum

Chaeix posted...

Himiko is just a fucking waste of a character slot unless she actually starts doing some goddamn magic. She contributes nothing and is giving me Asahina flashbacks, especially with Tenko's death kinda giving me Sakura death vibes.

I find Asahina much less annoying than Himiko though.

Raka_Putra posted...

I find Asahina much less annoying than Himiko though.

agreed, somehow. asahina is wallpaper whereas himiko is wallpaper that's crying all the time.

Hina was the emotional backbone of DR1. I will not tolerate this slander.

Paratroopa1 posted...

My hot take: The best of the case 3 double-murders is actually the one in DR1. The other double murders are lame, the one in DR1 was at least an attempt at there being a reason for two murders

Surely they can't fuck it up four times in a row, I say, putting my clown makeup on

MrSmartGuy posted...

Hina was the emotional backbone of DR1. I will not tolerate this slander.

to me her story arc is

act 1 - does absolutely nothing
act 2 - nearly gets everyone killed because she just can't fucking deal
act 3 - does absolutely nothing

Kiyo being the killer in both was definitely wasted potential. Agreed with MSG that the dynamic of the cast having to deal with having a confirmed murderer among them because he got off on a technicality seemed like it would have been a lot more interesting than what we got.

Yeah that was why I wanted someone else to be responsible for the Angie murder, agree with you guys. I think it would have been particularly interesting because the tone shift from focusing on Maki as a potential murderer toKiyo as an actual murderer amongst their ranks could have been a really cool angle.

Chaeix posted...

to me her story arc is

act 1 - does absolutely nothing
act 2 - nearly gets everyone killed because she just can't fucking deal
act 3 - does absolutely nothing

Am I the only one who doesn't look for "arcs" in characters? Like, until a character is central to a case, I legit can't even remember what they contributed to it. And after that case is over, I kinda don't care about that development any more.

Everyone always says that it would've been cool to have a confirmed murderer around in the cast and everyone having to deal with it, but the practical reality is that they already basically did that with Nagito in the second game, except he didn't manage to get the kill. It would just be "Man I sure do not trust that character but I am forced by circumstance into dealing with them further" for the rest of the game.

V3-3 sucks, though.

Yeah, Ace Attorney got a lot of shit for its lackluster third cases until the side games rectified that by all their third cases being the best, but DR's issue there is SO much worse. Literally my 16th, 17th, and 18th favorite cases in the series.

Hell, it STILL would have been better if Tenko was just Angie's killer but they executed Kiyo anyway instead of having him stick around. I don't really get why they didn't do it this way - it would be SO much more exciting if Shuichi figured out at the end that they need to execute Tenko, not Kiyo, thus giving the whole 'let's not vote yet!' thing purpose. I think the case would have been PRETTY GOOD if that had been the ending twist and I think they fumbled it for no reason.

I liked v3-3

For the record, 3-3 is 16th, 2-3 is 17th, and 1-3 is 18th.

My biggest issue with Case 3 is that I like Angie and Tenko a lot and didn't want them to bite it. And I've always disliked Kiyo so that didn't help lol.

Of course my opinion on V3 characters at this point since I last played has been....HEAVILY influenced by fanfiction, so I'm not exactly looking at characters with a clean plate anymore.

I was the exact opposite. I hated Tenko and Angie, and when the killer for both ended up being my favorite character at the time, I felt proud.

...... and then the rest of Kiyo's arc was revealed and I was like....... ah. I see.

There are other things I could say about that case and about the characters involved but they're best saved for later, I've already said enough

Yyyyeah.

Kiyo went from "wow kinda cool" to "oh, *ew*" in one fell swoop.

i assume i should not look behind that spoiler bar

Nah, that one's fine, actually. Not sure why they spoiler bar'd that.

Right, the problematic relationship he has with his sister is also a big turn off for a lot of people.

MrSmartGuy posted...

Yeah, Ace Attorney got a lot of shit for its lackluster third cases until the side games rectified that by all their third cases being the best

Not all. Not when E1-3 exists. Though Ace Attorney has nailed third cases since. I don't think there's a bad one after E1-3.

Ace Attorney 1-3 is an all-timer!

Yeah, DR3-3 is probably my least favorite case. Angies cult and Kiyo being so close to being off-the-hook were both really interesting ideas thatwent completely nowhere. I was also a big Kiyo fan and its a huge shame that he gets the shittiest motivation.

Though, it is a bit funny that he was SO EXCITED for his scythe see-saw that he decided to go for it after killing Angie anyways.

its a new day and

i still think the scythe killing is the least plausible shit ever and the katana swinging locked room is dumb

V3-3 is either the best or worst chapter in the series, depending on what youre here for.

I like a fair bit of the 3-3 chapter. The case itself, not so much.

hmmmm do I go to the grocery store, respond to my text message graveyard, or embark on a 6 hour case 4 marathon and put both of those things off?

decisions, decisions

i just scrolled through my messages and got hella anxiety, and also don't really feel like going to the grocery store, so danganronpa it is

You can eat a video game, or so I've heard.