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Don't do it she's half your age!
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I finished the first anime in my project to watch one from 100 different seasons. Spring 1998 clear, 99 to go!

Lost Universe was decent. It's about a group of zany characters bopping around on a spaceship doing odd jobs. There's Kane, a guy with a lightsaber who always wears a cape (he even has a cape on his bulky spacesuit, which got a laugh out of me). Canal, the ships sentient AI that exists as a hologram. And, my favorite, Millie, the girl who claims to be the best in the universe at everything even though she can't cook a meal without exploding the kitchen. The three of them had a fun dynamic where they got on each others nerves a lot of the time, but they always pulled together when it counted.

Roughly half the anime was mostly stand-alone episodes about their various odd jobs. One time they participated in a beauty contest while being hunted by an assassin. Another time they had to go into a malfunctioning facility as it sunk into a gas giant. My favorite episode was the one where, for wacky sci-fi reasons, they lost access to the ships only bathroom and things became increasingly uncomfortable. That episode was legitimately amazing, at one point Kane took Canal's prized houseplant hostage to try and convince her to let him pee in the corner (which, since she's literally the spaceship, she obviously didn't want him to do). Just the visual of him holding a lightsaber to the stem of a houseplant had me laughing uproariously.

Sadly, the other half of the anime was a super-serious plot about ancient spaceships and evil conspiracies. I didn't like that part of the show nearly as much. For one thing, these goofy characters just didn't work as well in a dramatic story. For another thing, it felt like they kept repeating certain plot points over and over. It wasn't bad , but it definitely dragged my opinion of the overall anime down. An entire show full of episodes like the silly bathroom one would've been amazing. Instead, Lost Universe was merely fine. I'm still glad I watched it, though.

I guess the author of this also did another similar series called Slayers. From everything I've read, the anime for that is supposed to be way better than Lost Universe. Given the hints of greatness this anime had, I'm going to have to watch Slayers someday and see if that's true!
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Just started watching Sacrificial Princess and the King of Beasts. They sure as shit sped through the Beauty and Beast cliffnotes super damn fast. I hope the rest of the show doesn't have this sort of pacing. The way the girl and king talk, it's like they are in a hurry to get somewhere, rather than letting things breathe...especially considering there's an undercurrent of darker shit underneath the comedy. It's like the characters are walking, talking, and trying to convince you something is happening, rather than having anything actually happen; a bit "fake" for me.

Not sold on it just yet. It just felt like a two part intro got hurried up into a VERY fast opening episode that wasn't all that impressive. Sure hope a couple more episodes slow things down and get a little more interesting.

Edit: Dropped it after the banquet. Still not seeing enough to like.
"Evening caress, Always yearning, I must confess, The stars aren't burning"
Copernicus - Candlemass
And instead, I found Demon Prince of Momochi House. Coming right off rewatching Kemono Jihen, I don't mind another dose of yokai and ayakashi stuff. First episode was fun. Let's see where this goes.
"Evening caress, Always yearning, I must confess, The stars aren't burning"
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Time to lock in on MyGo. I have a looooot of time off this week so I am gonna be it catch-up mode, but before that it's gonna be this and finally watching Bochi the Rock.

Update to the Major Jellyfish Spoilers.

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Bros is it gay to lick you lips after putting on your friend's used face mask??
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Girls Band Cry 5 - so Momoka left Diamond Dust because of the ugly outfits, huh? Good god those girls look hideous dressed like that.
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MacArrowny posted...
Girls Band Cry 5 - so Momoka left Diamond Dust because of the ugly outfits, huh? Good god those girls look hideous dressed like that.

Lol they weren't great. For real though, it was once again this show going against my expectations. I'd always been prepared for the reveal of what exactly caused Momoka to leave, with the obvious assumption that there was an actual direct cause of the fallout on the other member's party, or that she was replaced. I did not expect her to just come out and say that it was her fault for going against the original goal of the band and betraying their dream (though I doubt DD themselves see it this way), and that not only was there no crucial event, they desperately wanted her to stay. All of that restraint to not say what happened was because she's already come to accept her own fault before the show even started, again bringing it home to ther small but noteable galmin age.

It's a good move to give the other conflict room to stand out, with Nina actually having a sudden, unexpected level of animosity towards Diamond Dust. Irrational to everyone but her, obviously due to an extreme source of animosity towards her former classmate that hasn't fully been revealed yet, all leading to the excellent bar scene fight (very nice touch having Nina's neighbor be the waitress here).

The show just feels so real. I'm actually about worried about the true introduction of the final 2 members next week, and how it might effect the dynamics. I have faith though, it hasn't given me any reason to doubt.
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UshiromiyaEva posted...
I did not expect her to just come out and say that it was her fault for going against the original goal of the band and betraying their dream (though I doubt DD themselves see it this way), and that not only was there no crucial event, they desperately wanted her to stay. All of that restraint to not say what happened was because she's already come to accept her own fault before the show even started, again bringing it home to ther small but noteable galmin age.
I feel like it was kind of the opposite. She wanted the band to stay together, playing the songs they wanted, doing low stakes performances. The others wanted to sign with the record label and accept the changes forced upon them, essentially selling out. Which is basically what I expected from the start. It's a pretty common theme in music anime, I feel.
All the stars in the sky are waiting for you.
Obviously both sides are at fault here in some ways, but I don't think it's that clear cut. Momoko makes a point of saying they fully intended to shift back to the style they started with once they were established, but that she wasn't willing to wait. More importantly, she also said that, from the start, the only goal of the band was to stay together forever, and what they played didn't actually matter at all, and that she's the one who decided that it did actually matter more to her.

Now, we could be looking at a situation where she's experiencing enough self hatred about the situation to make herself seem more culpable than the actual truth, only time will tell.
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Fucking wasted the day away on bullshit but finally getting to MyGo. I am determined to watch the entire show by tomorrow night.

With this and Eupho, there are 2 girls band shows I'm watching where a completely normal and seemingly nice long, light brown haired girl is being given a menacing villain aura without explanation.

NOOOOO DON'T PUT AWAY THE PENGUIN BANDAGES.
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UshiromiyaEva posted...
Absolutely wild stuff going on in Tonari no Youkai.

The completely casual everyday world holding stuff was nice, and I've been appreciating the show don't tell philosophy, and would have been totally fine with just an SoL in this setting. However, it's going down a strong main plotline that's specifically taking full advantage of just how casual/exposition free the narrative has been so far, and I'm very excited to see where it goes.
Highly recommend A Centaur's Life (anime or manga) if you like this. I absolutely adore every bit of it, and one of the cool things about it is how you can be enjoying slice of life stuff, then get a chapter on genocide or crazy sci-fi shit.
All the stars in the sky are waiting for you.
I take it from the high volume count that that's preferably a manga recommendation?

Tonari no Youkai I'm sticking with the show because it's ended at 4 volumes, but Centaur's Life seems to be 24 and ongoing lol.
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The anime's a solid adaptation, but there's a lot more to the manga, so you can go with whichever you feel like, haha.
All the stars in the sky are waiting for you.
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This is not the type of stuff I expected out of the Gacha music girls show, but I guess I'm finding myself surprised a lot this week.
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JUSTIN WONG CAN NEVER ESCAPE, EVEN OUTSIDE THE FGC THIS MAN IS THE MOST BEATEN DOWN.

Also the funniest fucking cover imagineable after Saturday.
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Justin didn't actually create that meme

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But he certainly popularized it!

I definitely got taken aback when I saw it used in D4DJ

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Which makes sense because the girl on the left is a canon lesbian and she already has a girlfriend.
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Welp. I finished Burn The Witch this morning. It was...fine, which was better than I expected. I figured that I would hate Balgo, and he would ruin the series for me, but despite being one of the central plot points and the character with the third most screentime, he doesn't have much presence. I could see that changing if the story continues; he reminds me a lot of Yuuichi Tate from My-Hime, whom I do hate, but as of this first volume, he's just whatever. Speaking of, I honestly wasn't impressed by the 2 leads either. Neither Noel's deadpan nor Ninny's brashness did anything for me. Their designs (everyone's designs, really) were great, though. Kubo can design some characters, and other than the main trio + Macy, they kind of just exude cool. It also looks pretty amazing, but movies/ovas tend to look better than even the best seasonals. My eyes nearly rolled out of my head at the final shot, though.
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SockoressKnight posted...
My eyes nearly rolled out of my head at the final shot, though.

That was the whole point!

I mean, yeah, it's fine , but the only reason the OVA/Mini Series (one shot? I forget) got super popular and in high demand was because of the twist. You may role your eyes, but thousands of people rolled on the ground.
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I figured it was supposed to be funny, yeah. I just didn't find any of it funny, that especially. And I can definitely see people losing their minds over the reveal.

What I watched was the first animation, which is the "first" volume of the manga. I'm not going to bother with 0.8, which is the chapter 0 oneshot.
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"Spice and Wolf, is it?"

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Get ready for the market to be flooded with complete guttertrash.
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The fact that it raised 19 million makes the whole thing sound like a giant grift.

Let's see where they are a year later.
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Piracy is morally superior to paying money for an AI translated manga.

I don't read manga on my apps, but I do pay for them (frankly they should cost more). If any of them seem to include a single one of the manga from this "group", I will cancel.

We can see the results of AI translated anime and manga even now with the hour one GBC subs, and just a few seasons ago when Crunchyroll tries to slip one in before backtracking.
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Ah, the brightside here is that it looks like they're intending to release this through their own app, so you can just leave that 1 star review and move on.
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Back to good stuff....actually, I'm going to hold off talking about MyGo anymore until I finish it tonight, I feel like I wanna take this one all in. Definitely very, very different from what I expected.

Also want to lay out an actual prediction on one of the directions for Jellyfish's plot after episode 5's ending. At first I thought it seemed too much for the anime to tackle, but I now think it's potentially an obvious revelation, given how Kano' personality and what we've seen of her in the last doesn't really line up with what we see now, and how she refuses to even tackle the specifics of what happened.

The "physical assault" that Kano is said to have performed on one of the Sundolls members, without any actual specifics or proof, was her confessing to them, maybe even making a move similar to what she made on Yoru. It was swept under the rug, and Kano was fired to avoid a scandal.
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Getting closer to the end.

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Man I am really disappointed I missed this while it was airing.

Summer 2023 was also, for me, the worst season for new anime in years, I really could have used this.
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Man, maybe I finally should watch MyGO. I doubt I'll like it more than the earlier BanG Dream seasons just because it sounds more dramatic than I usually prefer, but I've heard nothing but good things otherwise.

No way it has anything that tops the best moment in the series, though! That honor goes to Kasumi singing Twinkle Twinkle Little Star for several glorious minutes.
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I'm watching the original series and they are rather different in tone. Towards the end of S2. I don't like any of the bands here as much as MyGo, but Afterglow's pretty cool.
Just killing time until the world ends.
BanG Dream S2 was the worst one imo. Didn't like what they did with Tae.

Afterglow is cool, though! Poppin Party is my favorite band for the characters but I like Afterglow's music the best by far.
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This series is definitely a drama. I was amazed halfway through realizing there had been, like, one noteable sequence of humor besides just a little quirk here or there. You've got a lead singer who's legitimately on the spectrum (I cannot IMAGINE this is remotely contentious in the fanbase if they don't ever outright say it, it's a constant presence for her from literally her very first scene), and every other girl is battling in their own personal issues and hangups. No Nico Nico Nis here's, no offense Nico you are a treasure.

I expected a low budget Love Live, but really these shows aren't even similar besides "Lives". By the halfway point there's only been a single instance of actually showing a song being played, and it was a flashback montage
(All of episode 3 being in the first person was super cool). I definitely understand the take I've seen that MyGo walked so Girls Band Cry could run.

Really, the only issue I have is that the VA work is pretty unbalanced. Anon herself sounds, uh, bad? Like, noteabley bad. Still not totally used to it.
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I never watched MyGO but I liked the story content in the Bang Dream mobile game much more than the anime.
I didn't do guru this year but azuarc can be in my sig anyways.
As for the original BanG Dream anime.

S1, I went into with pretty low expectations but I found out it to be pretty solid. I like the band formation story, but it is pretty hampered by its derpy animation. Sometimes the characters look straight-up dead on the inside. Season 1 also brings in the significance about the hints Raana drops in MyGO regarding who she's related to. It's not really something you would pick up on unless you follow the franchise.

S2, here they expect the audience to play the game since all the other bands come in with only a small introduction. However, there are really only 3 bands you need to give much attention to and they are Poppin' Party, Roselia, and Raise A Suilen (and RAS doesn't even get formed in this season). Of the original 3 seasons, this is probably my favorite. I loved seeing all the bands interact in an animated way. That said it is bogged down by a pretty awful plot point and it's the one that Roba is referring to, but however bad I thought it was, it didn't break the season for me.

S3.....puts a lot of focus on who's quite possibly my least favorite character in the whole franchise (and that's even taking MyGO and Ave Mujica into account). It's still fine for the most part, and I really like the ending sequence of it, but it's my least favorite season of the anime.

All that said, MyGO is still my favorite out of the BanG Dream anime. As dramatic as it is, at least none of it really bothered me, which is something I can't say about the original anime.
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It sounds like the original anime is more on the Idolmaster/LL side of things like I expected with this one, probably more towards IM?

Also I googled Ave Mujica since I saw that's getting an anime next year, and uh....that's QUITE the aesthetic lol.
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WhiteLens posted...
S3.....puts a lot of focus on who's quite possibly my least favorite character in the whole franchise
Which RAS member do you mean? They're my least favorite band, but worst character in the franchise is still Rui imho.
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I assume Chu2 since her and Pareo got most of the s3 focus
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Took a brief break to go back and watch the second musical sequence in episode 7 again.

The whole episode is amazing, those scenes structured like your viewing rooms and hallways from a security camera, but the awkard first performance (so much that I had to raise the episode out of secondhand embarrassment more than once) that manages to bring it together by the end, that you'd expect to be a triumphant occasion, but then it's follow by the second, legitimately *fantastic* performance, that is instead an absolute *tragedy* narratively, it's just so surreal. Like, one of my favorite band/idol songs ever in any anime, but the entire time you just want it to end because playing the song was a huuuuuge mistake and Soyo is breaking down on stage the whole time and none of them noticed because they're either too enraptured or, I'm Anon's case, doing everything she can just to keep up

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Chu2. Her reason behind everything she did really really bugged me.

UshiromiyaEva posted...
Really, the only issue I have is that the VA work is pretty unbalanced. Anon herself sounds, uh, bad? Like, noteabley bad. Still not totally used to it.

Man, it was like her first role (well major one at least) and odds are she was given the role because of her guitar playing.

UshiromiyaEva posted...
It sounds like the original anime is more on the Idolmaster/LL side of things like I expected with this one, probably more towards IM?

You could say that. It actually gets compared to Love Live a lot because they're just forming a group without any agency involved, and they're all in high school. Season 1 being as low budget as it was, almost tanked the entire franchise. It was the game that really saved it. It's a miracle how it went from being nearly dead to getting 2 more seasons, a couple movies, and an off-shoot continuation anime.
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WhiteLens posted...
Man, it was like her first role (well major one at least) and odds are she was given the role because of her guitar playing.

Oh I know, I looked it up, I'm not hating too hard! It's a bit distracting but everyone has to start somewhere
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On the last 2 episodes now finally after a break for some other stuff.

I like these pinky red and white outfit girls, which one are they from?
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Finished.

I really feel like that last episode was, like......and OVA, that's just being listed as episode 13? Just a bunch of setup for the VILLAIN ARC, which I can't say is the most exciting prospect, but I'll of course give it a shot. Those outfits are lame as hell though lol.

That aside though, it's not like episode 12 didn't feel like a very strong end to the season. I wish there was more, but that's how these things go I suppose.

I teared up a few times watching this show, it really was amazing. It is again a real shame I didn't watch this sooner, it's easily my pick for the best seasonal anime of 2023. When I watched episode 1 by itself it was fine, but the show just keeps escalating more and more, that energy never let up. I'm glad the next series directly connects, but again.....well, we'll see what that's doing, the last "episode" certainly laid some groundwork.

I will probably consider checking out the other BD stuff. Tomorrow, though, finally going to watch Bocchi the Rock......I'm actually a bit worried about that one, I've been exposed to so many jokes and clips from it over the past 2 years, I wonder how much is left in there to enjoy.
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....Crunchyroll has the movies.

HiDive has....a....fake live pretend you're in the audience version of one of the movies....and then it has season 2 and 3.

Can't find season 1 lol.
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I came down kind of hard on MyGO in this post, so let me preface it by saying that I'm glad most other people seem to like it. Anything that helps BanG Dream as a franchise is okay in my book.

Anyway, I also binged BanG Dream! It's MyGO!!!!! and, as predicted, I didn't like it. I disliked it for a different reason than I expected though. I was afraid it would be too bleak and dramatic for my tastes. Instead I mostly just felt frustrated. They kept taking turns breaking down and running away, and then they'd delay the resolution for as long as possible before stumbling into the next problem. Watching them try to accomplish stuff felt like they were taking zero steps forward and two steps back... but then they'd manage to put out a good performance even though the story skipped all the practice and hard work that should've went into getting them there. That's the kind of stuff I find most interesting in music anime, so I'm sad MyGO didn't focus on it at all. It felt like every time it showed them in a practice studio, they'd find a reason not to practice.

I mentioned earlier that Rui from Morfonica was my least favorite BanG Dream franchise character. That position has now been taken by Rana. Ugh, she's so lame. She's just a pale imitation of Hina (instantly good at everything, finds other people interesting for odd reasons), except Rana added nothing to her group's dynamic. I did like Tomori, Taki, and Anon. Soyo was... well, I didn't hate her. I kinda hate that the franchise now has a Saya, a Sayo, and now a Soyo, but that's not her fault. At least I know there will never be a Soya because that's Tomoe's catchphrase when she's banging taiko drums. Anyway, there were parts of the story that were pretty interesting! It was a unique idea to have this new band forming in the shadow of another band that broke up. It's just too bad that I was mostly frustrated by the actual presentation of this idea.

For instance, they never explained why the hell Saki randomly quit the band at the start. I guess her dad is an alcoholic, but she's starting another band so clearly whatever problems she has aren't keeping her from music. She just didn't want to be with them anymore for some reason, but why? What changed? Why not use your words to explain it better so we can avoid a season of frustrating drama? And then there's Mutsumi, aka "being in a band wasn't fun, not even for a second... but sure Saki, I'll join your new band". It's hard to get excited for this new Ave Mujica band when I don't understand what their deal is. At least their aesthetic and presentation is cool.

The best part of MyGO was all the cameos from better parts of the franchise. Those few moments with Kasumi were like water in the desert. She was fun. I remember what fun is. Hey, there's Afterglow for a few seconds playing a real song and not more of Tomori's mumbled poetry. Hey, they're in Hazawa Coffee and getting served by Tsugumi! I love you, Tsugumi!
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They're obviously saving the stuff with Saki for the sequel anime, but I'll agree that not revealing it here greatly hurt the quality of this anime.

I still mostly enjoyed it (gave it an 8/10), but it wasn't amazing. Not sure if GBC will end up better or worse than that. GBC has some bad voice acting too, especially with Subaru. And some contrived scenes, like the everlasting diner fight in episode 5.
All the stars in the sky are waiting for you.
One thing that's become obvious to me is a certain amateurness makes me like these band shows more. It feels more raw.
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Sceptilesolar posted...
One thing that's become obvious to me is a certain amateurness makes me like these band shows more. It feels more raw.

I felt more emotion towards the band having to restart the song twice in episode 7 than I did towards anything in 4 seasons of Love Live. And I LIKE Love Live.

I don't know what the other Bang Dreams are like yet (have now found out that there's actually no way to watch S1 outside of piracy anymore even though every single movie and other season is available, which is hilarious ), but this having so much restraint in regards to just showing them playing music, saving it for the extremely, EXTREMELY strong halfway point and the finale, really made this feel like so much more than a another gacha spinoff. I think that's part of why I could have really done without that last episode, at least without knowing it was coming to prepare myself. I wanted one final episode of MyGO, on it's own as an independent property, not the next step in the Bang Dream property machine.
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That I don't get. It's not like Ave Mujica is its own thing in isolation. It might not be MyGo season 2 but it's at least season 1.5.
Just killing time until the world ends.
Oh, I don't mean it's not something I don't want to see at all. I just really wish it wasn't the last episode of this show.

Again, I think if it was 12 episodes of MyGO and then here's the MyGO OVA, mentally I would have had 0 issues at all.
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Sceptilesolar posted...
That I don't get. It's not like Ave Mujica is its own thing in isolation. It might not be MyGo season 2 but it's at least season 1.5.
Concerts in front of screaming fans are the worst part of music anime. Ep 13 of MyGO was the only ep that had such content.
All the stars in the sky are waiting for you.
Yeah, there's that too. I didn't like the performance at all. Aesthetically I also think Ave Mujica is extremely lame, compared to MyGO (and to be clear I mean the band here) which has a super cool look. I really liked Anon's costumes, which are VERY in line with my own aesthetics.

I'm looking forward to the next season of the show itself making me eat my words. I really hate the masks though. A lot.
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https://youtu.be/qj9p6IFSlnk?si=cZ5L4OPM0TjVjwCD
on a music anime note i'm still hoping that some day i can coerce anyone else to watch monster sonic and its associated media (not actual monster strike though), or show by rock's many seasons, or wug, or re:stage, so i'm not just the lone token fan of them here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDb22Bqayac
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