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ClayGuida posted...

What fights did he start?

he has started shit in every promotion he has ever been involved with. aew/wwe/roh/tna/probably many more. dude is a cancer that starts shit everywhere

ClayGuida posted...

It shouldn't be that hard to post his fucking tweet where all it said was 'not true' to a story that JB stepped up to Punk, shoved punk, Punk shoved back, and Punk put him in a headlock or whatever.

If you're taking Miro's word on this, then literally nothing happened, no altercation, nothing. But instead you're being selective about what Miro is referencing, and for whatever fucking reason, you're being coy about what Miro actually said, which was literally 2 or 3 words. Miro didn't confirm anything, only what you wanted him to confirm.

Selective reading is pathetic. Believing dirtsheets is pathetic. We'll never know the true story. What we do know is that JB acted like a bitch and started shit with a guy who has a short temper. What they're also reporting is that JB told multiple people he was going to start shit with Punk before his match and nobody advised him otherwise. Such leadership if that's true.

As I said countless fucking times, if someone is lining your pockets, line those pockets. Ride that golden goose. Especially if you're a nobody like JB, who's never contributed anything to AEW besides having a dead father for Christian to riff off.

this reads like 'believing the news is pathetic, you should listen to trump despite what literally every other source says'

that is not the way. cmpunk is a confirmed cancer and has been for 15+ years and everyone that says he is a cancer is much more reliable than him saying he isn't, it just isn't credible

ClayGuida posted...

The fact that AEW had 2 hours of TV before Punk signed with the company, and now has 5 and have signed multiple new deals since he got on the roster, and WBD execs seem to be huge fans of Punk, because he in their eyes, is an actual draw.

so he should just be allowed to continue starting fights and drama with everyone unprovoked? he definitely isn't the biggest draw on the roster, much less deserving of the hogan/nash wcw treatment

ClayGuida posted...

And I explained why. JB's actions could cost AEW tens of millions of dollars. If I cost my company tens of millions, I sure as shit wouldn't have that job anymore.

so it could or it did cost them that? how did you come up with that estimate?

Philip027 posted...

A shoplifter and attempted murderer is removed from society, and the stolen merchandise was presumably recovered. How is this one of the worst possible outcomes?

I'm assuming you're calling it that solely because of this unborn kid being killed, but let's face it -- how good of a life do you think they were going to have anyway, with the mother being reckless enough to drive at a cop while pregnant? Not to mention that a pregnant person stealing alcohol isn't the greatest look for them as a parent.

In my opinion, unborn kids only have whatever value their parents place on them, and this parent's actions all indicate to me she didn't seem to value hers all that much.

i can't imagine being this jaded

of course it doesn't make sense even if you ignore the fact that most people that claim to be libertarians are massive hypocrites. the libertarian ideology is debunked by common sense

cjsdowg posted...

But this was a good reason. Telling someone not to do something useless and dangerous. Stunt guys normally don't even use real glass, for the most part anymore. And people would not be able to tell the difference.

starting insane public drama about it is definitely not a good reason

cjsdowg posted...

Does anyone think that Jungle Boy should have used real glass, or are people just upset Punk was the one that told him he shouldn't do that ?

i think people are just tired of cm punk always causing dramatic situations for seemingly no good reason

yeah, russia isn't in a position to openly challenge china but i am sure they won't just concede the territory either. china has been blatantly trying to steal territory from a ton of nations over the last 10-20 years and are super blatant about it. the philippines got the united states to confirm the mutual defense pact so china isn't likely to fuck around too much more there but they were blatantly trying to take universally recognized filipino islands as well

ClayGuida posted...

lol, no you didn't. For one, none of us know the story on any of this shit. We don't know if Punk got physical first or JB, or nobody at all. We don't know if Punk was asked to talk to JB about using glass, reports have pretty much said that Schiavone and Punk were asked to explain to JB why using glass is fucking stupid and reckless. Punk didn't air any dirty laundry on TV. None. A post PPV scrum is not TV. What prompted the Bucks and Omega to mock Punk on actual TV during a match? And who said Punk threatened to fight Miro?

It's insane that people read this shit and just assume every negative thing said about Punk is true, and every positive thing about Punk is a lie.

so everyone is always lying but him and somehow he is always the victim despite what everyone else says? seems highly unlikely

defending cm punk when he has started this kinda shit for 15+ years is mind-boggling. the idea that he is somehow just a victim holds about as much weight as trump somehow just being a victim and everyone else is out to get him. obviously he is the problem

i never liked cm punk. even though is (or was when i watched him) a technically good wrestler he just came off as such a douche

someone should ask the trump cult why he is stonewalling if he is innocent? usually innocent people invoke their right to a speedy trial but trump is trying to postpone it indefinitely

imagine making your entire personality about hating a breed of dog...sad

Darklit_Minuet posted...

No, the woman tried to escape the situation. The reasonable reaction to a car driving forward is to move out of the way of it, not get in the way

he was already in front of the car, if you drive accelerate a car towards someone who is in front of you that is attempted murder. it isn't acceptable to try and run over anyone standing in front of your vehicle whether it is cops or protestors or anyone else

your rationale is the same one people used to try and defend the people that run over protestors. "they just want to get away" is never a valid reason to try and run people over.

Darklit_Minuet posted...

How are people defending the cop in this situation?

It's like that scene from Austin Powers where the one guard is just yelling NOOOOOOOOO at the steamroller instead of fucking walking away. Except instead of being comedic, it's horrible because once again the obvious sidestep solution was overlooked in favor of murder

if police procedure was to just let people escape anytime they try to flee after committing crimes it would create issues, but in this instance in particular the woman proved she was willing to kill to escape which is obviously a public safety hazard

there are situations in which cops shouldn't pursue if the pursuit would cause more danger to the public, but in this scenario the woman attempted to run over a cop in the first place

Humble_Novice posted...

If you're a troll who's trying to shill for Russia, you will immediately be blocked from this topic. No exceptions.

it's easy to crush their worldview, i find it more productive to engage them and watch them flee or get suspended personally

not subtly implying that black people relate to mugshots...big yikes wtf

there are plenty of situations where cops are fucked up and unjustifiably maim/kill someone but this doesn't appear to be one of those

wasn't big on raiden but mgs2 was a fantastic game

there really wasn't any difference for the peasantry between the tsarist regime and the early soviet regime. the peasants were still enslaved and the famines actually became worse for them, particularly for the non russian (kazak and ukranian in particular) people.

CoyoteTheGreat posted...

That entire families are killed during any transfer of power is kind of a fact of nobility that isn't limited even to these kinds of revolutions. It was very common during the time of Rome too, where they'd just mass murder babies of families for the crimes of their fathers. Its a pretty good example of why royalty and noble families shouldn't exist as concepts, because as long as they do, even a child can be considered dangerous by the state from the fact of its birth alone.

it was a more common occurrence in more distant history, it definitely wasn't common in the post ww1 era when half the monarchies and autocratic regimes in europe fell. the soviets were unique in their brutality of that era.

the tsarist regime was done. some people still wanted to prop it up for various reasons but it was no longer tenable and the white army had no long term prospects of winning the war when the royal family was murdered in cold blood.

CoyoteTheGreat posted...

The murder of any royal family isn't in cold blood, it is because if you have a revolution and don't kill every royal, then you end up with royalist armies taking up whoever is left's cause and a civil war that kills a much greater magnitude of your people. The Tsarist regime was one that had the peasantry in literal slavery, it is one of human history's worst governments, it wasn't something any of them wanted to return to.

they didn't kill every royal though, there were members of the romanov family that lived. the tsarist regime was finished, killing them wasn't necessary. there were multiple royal families that were deposed after ww1 that weren't murdered. brutally murdering children is never justifiable

the tsarist regime was brutal, but the soviets also enslaved millions through collectivization and millions more through the gulags. the tsarist regime was finished regardless of who replaced them at that point. nicholas ii was wildly incompetent and rapidly sped up the downfall of the dynasty, but even without his murder of civilians and disastrous entrance into ww1 that dynasty was on a clock that was quickly running out.

the soviet union wasn't inevitable, a regime change of some sort was inevitable though

desantis wants to destroy education by making it right wing propaganda only

why would you go into someone's stream to trash talk them? seems kinda pathetic regardless of whether they actually suck or not

i get an impidimp

not my first choice but better than $50 for sure

you would be a downright maniac to chug a 5th of any 80 proof liquor (or really any liquor)

the right doesn't realize and/or doesn't care to realize that someone being homeless doesn't mean they are a hobo. they try to paint all homeless people as hobos

DarkFists posted...

I know my younger cousins still did back in the late 2000s but...dunno about modern day, doubt it's mandatory reading in the south though

i graduated in '05 and it was mandatory reading at that time but idk about now

that mr_hulk guy literally has 88 in his new account name and is undoubtedly here to shill for russia

trump is promising to commit more crimes if reelected and blatantly go after democrats while he is currently still committing crimes

personally i think stalin is the most interesting of all the modern dictators and probably the most interesting of any modern leaders. all people are complicated, but his success in building backwater russia into a modern industrial power is really fascinating. when he came into power the soviet union was an agricultural economy and a complete backwater, and when he died they were a fully modern industrial and nuclear power.

not only his success in transforming russia is fascinating, but building it up on top of the blood and bodies of soviet citizens is a case study on the lengths a human will go to to fulfill their goals. by all indications he wasn't always the ruthless dictator he turned into. as time went by and decision had to be made he lost his humanity more and more, bit by bit. through the 1920s he was basically unknown to the world and even the soviet union outside of the party apparatus. by the time lenin died he was firmly in control with little threat by the time lenin finally died. 1929 saw his mask start to slip and by the early 30s he became the monster history now remembers him as.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Y'all ought to read Trotsky's The Revolution Betrayed. Dude shits all over Stalin for 233 pages.

troysky's opinion on stalin changed a great deal due to stalin outmanuevering him. trotsky never liked stalin but his account of what stalin did shifted once stalin won the power struggle.

Daremo posted...

I don't think that's true. Trotsky would have been a failure, exactly because he wasn't a bastard like Stalin.

He probably would have gotten just as many people killed, but not out of malice.

troysky was absolutely a vicious murderer as well. he was ok with the massacre of civilians and with murdering the royal family in cold blood. he may not have gone to the brutal lengths stalin did in the same ways, but he was absolutely capable of large scale mass murder. both trotsky and stalin were ideologically driven much like lenin was. the most dangerous kind of person is someone with strong ideological convictions since they can justify basically any atrocities in the name of progressing towards their goals. the 20th century (and probably every century) is full of ideologically driven leaders who justified any actions in the name of whatever ideology they espoused

obviously great leaders can be ideologically driven as well, but there is a danger of someone putting their ideas before their humanity as we see with hitler/stalin/lenin/mao/ect

https://youtu.be/uFcb50HUNvE?si=SeBJDbqRZ4a1y6kD

that guy is a really easy to listen to historian that primarily studies stalin. he is respected by both western style thinkers and communist style thinkers and generally has a p objective style and is a great storyteller imo

CoyoteTheGreat posted...

Stalin was about as awful as dictators get, but its hard to really call him a "communism true believer". He was more a believer in authoritarianism with him at the helm, and communism was the window dressing for that (There is even some evidence that he got his start as an informant for the Tsar's secret police.). Right-communism is generally a mess that leads directly to authoritarianism.

he was absolutely a true believer in communism. he grew up poor but got an education at seminary and could have gone to the university of moscow to continue his education but instead devoted his life to the bolshevik party in georgia (which was the fringe of the fringe there and wildly unpopular even among communist movements). he definitely compromised his stated beliefs later in his reign to an extent but in a means to an end kinda way. the private transcripts reflect his belief in communism even in his private conversations throughout his life and rule.

AloneIBreak posted...

It's hard to imagine how anyone might have a favorable opinion of Stalin

tankies are the only people i have come across that seem to like him

trump is the worst potus since at least the pre civil war era, his cult is so insane. anyone who makes any political their personality has major issues, much less a twice impeached and many times indicted politician

Glob posted...

He has a shop round here that sells handbags.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/0/6/AAfEiJAAEyi2.jpg

they only come in one style, brutalist design

Questionmarktarius posted...

All Russia has ever had to do on defense is go hide out somewhere and wait for winter. It's worked every time.

becoming a modern industrial power was the biggest key for them. if they hadn't had modern tanks and planes they wouldn't have had any chance. industrialization in the soviet union cost millions of lives but it also gave them the opportunity to fight a modern war in ww2 which was crucial.

industrialization made the soviets able to hold out against the nazis in ww2. certainly they could have industrialized without the millions of deaths caused by the stalinist policy, but his lack of concern about the civilians dying before and during the war made rapid industrialization and the wartime industry move faster than it would have in a non totalitarian state. i think if lenin or trotsky had been at the helm during all of the 20s-ww2 the soviets would have probably lost. neither were nearly as capable as stalin and both were also brutal authoritarian leaders that didn't mind murdering scores of people.

yeah even the soviets denounced stalin after he died. some of that was to consolidate power, but much of it is because of how brutal stalin was.

i have been watching kotkin lectures on stalinist topics lately

yeah, lieberman being from connecticut makes his manchin-esque politics even more dumb and indefensible.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Mao is still the champion, yes.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/4/6/AAEhCpAAEys2.jpg

that obviously isn't accurate at all. hitler is responsible for 17 million deaths of only noncombatants. since he started ww2 in europe the number is actually much higher and all of hitlers deaths are intentional while most of stalins were more from negligence than intentional murder. stalin murdered millions, but the majority attributed to him in ukraine weren't deliberate murder and were more from bad policy at the local and national level. while stalin didn't care about those deaths it isn't exactly the same thing as intentionally setting out to murder them.

also 75 million number for mao isn't accurate. communist china is generally thought to be responsible for around 65 million deaths and most of those mao is responsible for, but equating deliberate murder to every death is disingenuous and serious historians make a distinction between the two.

Inohira posted...

I don't think Stalin was a true believer, otherwise he wouldn't have needed to purge the actual true believers. He's a textbook example of a guy taking a cause that resonated with the people and converting it into a cult of personality. Willing to sacrifice any amount of people to maintain power and violently paranoid of anyone not perceived fully 100% onboard with the national agenda.

The Nazi thing isn't really a credit, he was perfectly fine working with them until they moronically attacked him, we don't praise gang members just for killing rival gang members.

he was absolutely a true believer and the secret archives proved this. for years people theorized that stalin just used the communist revolution to gain and hold power, but the secret archives becoming public has made it clear that he fully believed in his message. the internal conversations stalin had mirrored the communist propaganda of the time and modern historians all concede that he was ideologically motivated.

his attempts at collectivization further illustrate this point. he started killing and imprisoning other communist leaders around '29 through the early to mid 30s, but at that point he had already consolidated power and did that more out of paranoia than anything.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

I am begging you to stop this

what?

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this is not accurate. hitler killed 17 million noncombatants and another 7-11 million soldiers just on the russian side. when you factor in the western front you have several million more than that. ww2 had 55 million casualties with a conservative estimate and more than half were russian deaths with the majority of the rest being chinese deaths. hitler actually killed more than anyone except arguably mao

HylianFox posted...

I don't really have one, he's not as easy to imitate as Trump or Hitler.

he was much more competent than both of those guys. he killed millions like hitler, but other than eliminating his political rivals (which hitler also did) it wasn't necessarily out of malice, just detachment and in the pursuit of a goal. like hitler he was ideologically driven, and like hitler he didn't mind compromising his beliefs in the short term to achieve longterm goals, but when stalin killed millions it was more out of apathy than pure smoldering hatred.

Doe posted...

i think he probably wasn't AS BAD as they say, because of how cold war propaganda was. it's hard not to reevaluate people like him a little when every GOP chud calls anyone with a semblance of good policy ideas "left of Lenin"

there is plenty of western propaganda that labels him a bumbling idiot which is obviously not true. he was absolutely ruthless and evil though. he was a communist true believer and through that lens justified everything as a step towards an idealistic future. he was absolutely responsible for enslaving millions of 'collective farmers' and he was absolutely responsible for planned famines that killed millions, and this was before the war.

during ww2 stalin's organizational skills were the single biggest factor in the defeat of the nazi armies, but his willingness to sacrifice millions of soldiers and civilians without a care was a part of that too. he is every bit one of the biggest monsters in history, he just happened to share a timeline with hitler who was more overtly evil.

TheMikh posted...

fascinating figure. struck the perfect balance between marxist-leninist true believer and cold hard political pragmatist, with horrifically catastrophic policy externalities, but arguably keeping the soviet state intact much longer than it otherwise would have lasted.

yeah, it easily could have crumbled under a less competent leader during the important formative years. stalin is basically the prototypical dictator. he made plenty of mistakes and had ridiculous levels of paranoia at times, but ultimately was about as competent as possible in establishing the bureaucratic state and setting up the soviet union to be a lasting world imperial power.

TheHorus posted...

Stalin when Hitler betrayed him and stabbed him in the back:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwSUJM2EyqE

at first he didn't believe his own intelligence apparatus and basically just let the nazis roll through ukraine unimpeded and then he had a meltdown and isolated himself for a couple of days until he finally faced reality and decided to fight the nazi menace.

the soviets often don't get enough credit for ww2 from the west. they made tons of mistakes and wasted close to 30 million lives, maybe half of which were unnecessary, but without them throwing waves and generations of russians into the grinder the war would have been much worse and longer for the west