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I really thought Bernie would be above the whole "the left wants no borders" strawman. Super disappointing

I didn't use him and made it through fine

it's a natural consequence of liberal capitalism enshittifying everyone's lives and them turning to fascism as a desperate attempt to gain a sense of control

Death to the IDF

There are no societal negatives to allowing immigrants in, undocumented or documented. They create more jobs than they take, commit less crimes than natural born citizens, add to cultural aspects like music/food/etc, and pay taxes without receiving equivalent benefits in return. If anything, undocumented immigrants themselves are the only ones harmed through things like labor exploitation. All this panic around them is just propaganda and hysteria.

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my goal is to beat all of the mainline ones at some point.

NeonPhoenix posted...

This war has really warped people. Geez

yeah im starting to think the war might be bad

Not up to me

GhostFaceLeaks posted...

I go on social media and I see people on the left and the right cheering for the cancer. Some people are apparently throwing parties too.

And people wonder why I am so cynical when I see shit like that.

im cynical because I saw this man give a blank check to Israel to perpetuate a genocide thats murdered tens of thousands of children. But its okay theyre brown so I get why people see those lives as subhuman while crying for the guy who helped kill them.

hope he recovers. would hate to see this child murderer die in pain.

I remember the first weekend I got it I put in like 30 hours in 2 days. Great game. Cant wait for the remake Im gonna play the fuck out of it.

"backup" bro just order one leave some for the rest of us

mybbqrules posted...

Lmao, stuff can still be done!?

Let me know the minute you make some headway with Trump's party on their Gaza policy, because I don't know if you remember or not, but they're currently calling the shots, and their shot is "burn it down".

Nah, electing Harris was Gaza's last real shot to "get anything done". And that failure rests with everyone who didn't vote Harris or openly support Harris. (Because trashing her for months publicly then voting for her is a shaky example of "support", at best)

There was one guy who tried to make headway with Trump and unfortunately Trump turned his head to the right at the last minute.

Anyway, jokes aside, things have to be done if we want to counter an ethnic cleansing campaign. Jews weren't saved from Nazis by following the laws, it was by breaking them. We need to be willing to do the same in this current moment.

El_Dustino posted...

You can really tell who doesn't care about Gaza in this topic.

I'd say they were the real champions of Gaza but they never pretended to care that much before.

Anyways I hope this gets blocked.

This. Topic about ethnic cleansing immediately turns into a train of smug "see how wrong you dumb Muslims were about Dems" comments. Politics is nothing but team sports to these morally defective fucks.

Fandom is such a dogshit company

Fandom is such a shitty company. Gamefaqs could easily be next

LoZguy709 posted...

"Encourage" is hardly "put pressure on," which is hardly "suspend aid to compel them" so I don't really care much about that question. Back to 52, 23% of Democrats and 38% of Independents supported sending weapons and supplies, let alone any form of humanitarian aid, so there was still a good amount of support Biden/Harris had to lose by changing policy (versus votes he would have actually picked up by doing so). The 2,000 people that took part in that poll aren't seeming like the most representative sample, but hey, a poll's a poll.

The language is pretty clear: Send weapons and supplies to Israel has 61% saying Should not. Like thats literally an arms embargo. Putting the screenshot below in case were looking at different things.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/03eb6832.jpg

LoZguy709 posted...

Question 51 doesn't pertain to anything in which the US has any hard power, nor do we really know about the extent of the communications between the Biden administration and Israel. For 52(a), "Weapons and supplies" is quite a bit different than asking about "humanitarian aid" like they do in other questions pertaining to Gaza, but I'll admit that the number of Republicans reportedly opposed to is surprising.

51 shows that the US govt would have had the plurality behind them if they put pressure on Israel to stop military action. 52 clearly says that a weapons embargo on Israel would have been supported by the majority of people (not just democrats, mind you). Im not sure where the disconnect is here.

DrizztLink posted...

Is that what I said, or is that what you decided I said?

Which is a question that can be directed to basically every post you've made in this topic.

is your issue just with the specific nicknames used during the protests or what?

LoZguy709 posted...

Only one of those deals with aid to Israel, but more specifically "weapons and supplies," rather than all aid. As long as the US aids Israel in some way, it can divest other resources to its military. Just looking at it, one of my first thoughts is where did they find 38% of Republicans to say we should not send weapons and supplies to Israel?

Question 51 shows that the plurality wanted Israel to stop military action. 52 shows that the majority wanted to stop weapon shipments to Israel.

By the way:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/04/28/middleeast/gaza-students-thank-columbia-protests-intl-latam

DrizztLink posted...

Now you know how we felt when we tried to actually listen to Palestinians while you lot decided to play silly buggers with genocide.

Telling people to keep quiet about the genocide is not listening to Palestinians. Are you insane?

LoZguy709 posted...

Find me the poll that says Biden should cut off aid to Israel.

Poll from June 2024, questions 51 and 52

https://www.scribd.com/document/740568401/Cbsnews-20240609-SUN-NAT

DrizztLink posted...

How'd that work out for you?

Gaza saved yet?

this is so disgusting jfc

LoZguy709 posted...

Great well this is exactly what I call a losing strategy.

I think expecting people to ignore horrific human rights violations is an even worse losing strategy tbh, especially when all polling showed most people wanted a ceasefire.

LoZguy709 posted...

I think it would have been in the better interest for Democrats to hold off on criticizing Biden specifically and make the issue about US precedent in blindly giving aid to Israel. Then once Biden or Harris had secured the presidency, lay out all you want on them. Netanyahu would no longer be holding out on a Trump presidency so he'd be more in a position to negotiate. Yes, some innocent people will tragically die during this phase, but the number of total deaths would still be fewer in the long run. Politics is ugly and very rarely are there scenarios where you can achieve the most justiciable outcome.

Putting all morality aside and just focusing purely on politics, making it a nebulous thing about US precedent takes pressure off of any individual person to do anything. And Biden would have had even less incentive to listen to protests if he won, especially in a second term where he wouldnt be up for reelection. Hes most susceptible to being swayed before an election, not after.

havean776 posted...

You said

in response to this.

I pointed out that under Trump there are far more dead children. You have spent 20 pages pretending I said don't criticize Biden after that.

Because you did exactly what the first poster did in sweeping Bidens failure under the rug because Trump is in charge now.

KajeI posted...

Reminder that the Gazans, in Gaza, wanted Biden to win.

yes and they also wanted the bombs to stop.

Murphiroth posted...

Just because people bring up Trump doesn't mean they're minimizing your point or saying you can't criticize Biden.

You're so, so close to getting it.

yeah Im sorry but saying and now there are more dead children in response to me criticizing Biden for abetting the murder of children is 100% trying to minimize what I said

LoZguy709 posted...

Once progressives started chanting Genocide Joe instead of trying to sway the minds of US voters, I see that as letting Republicans win. Voting for the Democratic candidate isn't really helping much if you spent the past year devoting all that energy talking shit on the Democratic Party, especially if you don't even live in a swing state.

Also, campaigning against progressives in a primary is far different than doing so in a general election (assuming it doesn't amount to reputational harm that would follow to the general election).

ok so in your scenario you want people to not push as hard as possible to stop a genocide so that, what, the same guy can win again and keep doing it?

havean776 posted...

How can we have a productive topic if you won't even allow us to mention the current leader of the USA? You twisted yourself into a knot because I dared to bring up how much worse the situation is now under Trump.
Even Shock of all people was able to admit he had no idea how much worse it could get for Palestine. Yet here you are acting indignant because I bought up Trump.

yeah because what is the point of bringing it up (in direct response to me, mind you) if not to minimize what Im saying? Just because I dont like my point being minimized doesnt mean Im saying you cant criticize Trump

havean776 posted...

Because i seem to be the target of his ire allow me to say this.

You may criticize Biden and the Democrats.

thank you. Biden should have pushed harder for a ceasefire. Less children would be dead if he did.

havean776 posted...

Now kindly don't tell me not to criticize Trump when it comes to Palestine. Is that reasonable?

yes that is reasonable

LoZguy709 posted...

Letting Republicans win isn't making Democrats more open to supporting progressive candidates, but instead inspires the opposite result where people feel they have to go with the "safe" pick. Part of Bernie's momentum in 2016 was coming off of Obama's progressive footsteps, even though if you ask me it gave people a false sense of hope for what was politically achievable at that time and gave reason for later resentment when those hopes were not fulfilled (and I still don't see free college happening anytime soon).

what does letting republicans win have to do with what I said? Im talking about the Democratic Party actively campaigning against progressive candidates.

havean776 posted...

No we are no longer allowed to do that.

for the record, my reply you responded to was an actual on-topic reply on how we can improve the situation and you responded by (again) redirecting. who is truly making the discussion less productive here?

Murphiroth posted...

I did. That post does not provide an example of someone saying you cannot criticize Biden.

You've lied and stated that people are saying you cannot criticize Biden, then when asked for examples you moved the goalposts to "But Trump" then you moved them back rather than admit you were just wrong. And now you're carrying them back to "But Trump".

Gotta be exhausting hauling those goalposts around.

what is that reply saying then? What is conveyed when someone responds to my claim about Biden enabling child murder with there are more dead children now and Trump will put everyone in jail? Please help me comprehend.

LoZguy709 posted...

Biden was chosen by Democratic primary voters. The DNC didn't preselect him. Bernie was not candidate in 2020 because Democratic primary voters did not see him (as) likely to win against Trump as Biden was in that election. Then Biden/Harris lost in 2024 much in part to party division and spite from a large number progressives that couldn't bring themselves to in any way actively support the incumbent or the VP tied to his administration.

thats not even what I had in mind. Im thinking of, for example, Pelosi supporting Henry Cuellar in his primary against a progressive even though hes literally anti-abortion

EPR-radar posted...

Of course these people aren't serious about Gaza. It was all a Trump/Republican ratfucking operation, with generous contributions from useful idiots.

Anyone who is serious about Palestinian issues would have long term projects like whittling away at AIPAC's influence and the like on their agenda, and wouldn't get distracted by presidential election circuses.

It's similar to immigration reform -- there are serious people who advocate for employer sanctions, and there are cruel and corrupt performative clowns who want to do circus acts on the border for the benefit of their degenerate supporters.

the AIPAC point is a good example. How do we whittle down that influence? Do we just focus on Trump/republicans (who will not budge no matter what) or do we put pressure on democrats who take AIPAC donations? What will be more effective?

Murphiroth posted...

Post examples, then. Names, posts, links. If it's 100% true you should be able to do so no problem.

Post #272 please just read what I already posted

Murphiroth posted...

Can you admit that you lied about people saying you cannot criticize Biden?

no that is 100% true

havean776 posted...

Whats the point? Dems have no power people such as you ensured that.
So the only people who can make a diffrence in Palestine now is Trump. But we are not allowed to say that!

i voted for Harris, genius. But keep deflecting away from the Dems so they can learn nothing and lose again in 2026/2028.

Murphiroth posted...

Cool, then tell TC and Thanatos to talk about that. It's almost like there's a context that you're ignoring that the two of them are longtime concern trolls that should not be taken seriously. Hell you might be one of them too with your outright lie about people saying you cannot criticize Biden when no one's said that.

idk who tf they even are can we not just talk about the actual topic?

Murphiroth posted...

No, it isn't, it's a way to redirect towards the fascist actually currently in charge that you folks don't give a shit about. It's also not saying you cannot criticize Trump, so you are a liar.

Keep spinning, though, it's a neat trick.

The topic is specifically about the Biden administrations failure. how do you discuss that and take lessons from it if everyone is immediately saying Trump is worse? We know Trump is worse. We need to talk about how we do things differently and where the last admin failed in order to formulate a counter.

Strider102 posted...

You do realize nothing in regards to the Palestinian people and Israel would have changed regardless of who won, right?

Everyone views Israel as this invaluable ally, so anyone would have bent the knee to them.

I wouldnt say nothing, Trump is objectively worse and there would at least be some pushback on the mass starvation for example (I would hope)

Murphiroth posted...

Which is it? Are people saying you cannot criticize Biden or are they saying "But Trump"? Those are two very different things and if it's the second, why did you just bold faced lie and claim the first thing was being said?

Also, it's almost like Trump is extremely relevant to Gaza currently.

But Trump is a way to invalidate the criticism by redirecting the conversation

ConfusedTorchic posted...

this entire topic is people saying that biden did call for ceasefire and that the champions of gaza people are awfully silent about what the current administration is doing to not end anything.

so actually name some fucking names.

you can criticize biden all you want, no one gives a shit, but what you really want to say is "don't criticize trump", isn't it.

first response to me in this topic:

havean776 posted...

Now there are more dead children.
Not only that but next year when Trumps prisons are full what do you think his plan is for the "undesirable" Americans?

literally no mention of Trump and hes brought up even though the topic is about a failure of the Biden administration specifically

LoZguy709 posted...

And the record of progressive candidates winning a presidential election against anybody?

maybe when we arent actively boxing out progressive candidates well get to see

ConfusedTorchic posted...

who is saying that

name names, point some fingers.

this entire thread is people saying but Trump in response to any claim of how feckless biden was in regards to Israel

LoZguy709 posted...

Is this what you guys call a "winning strategy"?

youre right let me ask the party that lost to Trump twice

Liberals will really say you cant criticize Biden because he was the lesser evil, all while condemning Hamas, the objectively lesser evil in comparison to the Israeli government.

havean776 posted...

He did push for a ceasefire so did Harris. You choose not to beleive this because it doesn't fit your bias.

my mistake Ill start believing every statement they said despite the billions in weapons they kept sending.