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jdizzy156
06/29/11 3:30:00 PM
#301:


I kinda wanna play AD kat just for fun.

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Biolizard28
06/29/11 3:32:00 PM
#302:


If I read only Kan posts

I would believe this game only had Mordekaiser in it

and people who lose to Mordekaiser.

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Biolizard28
06/29/11 3:34:00 PM
#303:


And AD Kat is lame.

The only AD items I end up with when playing Kat are Gunblade and Rageblade.

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Aecioo
06/29/11 4:57:00 PM
#304:


Biolizard28 posted...
If I read only Kan posts

I would believe this game only had Mordekaiser in it

and people who lose to Mordekaiser.


this game would be awesome if it was only 5 mord vs 5 mord

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Aecioo
06/29/11 5:02:00 PM
#305:


Actually I take that back.

5 singed vs 5 singed is the best.

POISON TRAILS AND FLINGS EVERYWHERE

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Silver_Ermine
06/29/11 5:05:00 PM
#306:


Twitch might be pretty bad at the moment, though, I still destroy as him. :D

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Biolizard28
06/29/11 5:07:00 PM
#307:


Aecioo posted...
Actually I take that back.

5 singed vs 5 singed is the best.

POISON TRAILS AND FLINGS AND /L SPAM EVERYWHERE


Fixed.

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KanzarisKelshen
06/29/11 5:10:00 PM
#308:


Lopen posted...
Have you faced her post nerf yet?

I think you overestimate you ability to get your R/one shot the carry off before you're dead.


I know burst like the back of my hand. If an enemy is under 500 HP and eve ganks, I get a doublekill, and that's usually how my deaths to her went down: I got ganked by a bait, killed during the CC, and that was that. If my pre-queued R goes off, however, I win the fight.

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KanzarisKelshen
06/29/11 5:12:00 PM
#309:


Biolizard28 posted...
If I read only Kan posts

I would believe this game only had Mordekaiser in it

and people who lose to Mordekaiser.


There's one character with whom I absolutely crush, and everybody else I play infrequently. Why would I NOT talk from the viewpoint I know the most about? I know other champions very well, but my play experience is vastly lopsided in favor of Morde. What's wrong about that?

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KanzarisKelshen
06/29/11 5:24:00 PM
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IhatethisCPU posted...
...721 AP Veigar. Just finished a game where our Veig finished with 721 gorram AP (Well, 684. He said 721 with Q.). It was Normal, of course, but sweet fancy Moses.

1300 AP as Heimerdinger.

"what up boss"

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Justin_Crossing
06/29/11 5:26:00 PM
#311:


that's so little AP from farming. I was veigar a few days ago and had like 850 AP with just Rabadon's. Void Staff, Abyssal Scepter, and another Needlessly Large Rod (And baron)

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Lopen
06/29/11 5:29:00 PM
#312:


I'm just saying I don't think you have the reflexes to react to a proper Eve gank especially with an ability you actually have to aim and not some AoE thing or flash. Especially not with your ping. Usually a good Eve gank involved the target being dead before the stun wears off, which was <= 1-2 seconds.

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IhatethisCPU
06/29/11 5:29:00 PM
#313:


...721 AP Veigar. Just finished a game where our Veig finished with 721 gorram AP (Well, 684. He said 721 with Q.). It was Normal, of course, but sweet fancy Moses.

Every single teamfight was just me healing and watching Mao root someone and then have 'Plank, Veig and Vayne melt the enemy team. Granted, it was Olaf, Xin, Tryn, Teemo and Shen. Also granted, Xin ragequit mid-game, and Tryn ragequit after the 7th time he got murdered, and after we got bot inhib, but still. >_>'

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IhatethisCPU
06/29/11 5:36:00 PM
#314:


KanzarisKelshen posted...

1300 AP as Heimerdinger.

"what up boss"


...That's just plain wrong.

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Justin_Crossing
06/29/11 5:37:00 PM
#315:


How can you even get to 1300 AP?

Mejai's + 5 Rabadon's?

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Lopen
06/29/11 5:41:00 PM
#316:


That would give you about 1300 AP exactly, not including a potion or Baron.

Amusingly though you'd probably be less useful than the Heimerdinger that actually has a more balanced build but jeez you'd mulch buildings like no one's business.

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Anagram
06/29/11 5:56:00 PM
#317:


Just had a crazy game.
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By the way, I did have boots, I just sold them late in the game for more room for items, and even then I died at the final push with over 4000 gold. Was this a good item build? I almost grabbed Banshee's Veil over Guardian Angel, but I ended up going with it because I feared Tryndamere more than anyone else on the enemy team.

I rarely get to say I carried a team, but except for my team's Zilean, who was absolutely amazing (and had more minion kills than Vlad and Akali?!), I was the only competent player on my team. That is something I never say. I love free week heavy teams when they're the enemy team, but we had an Akali and a Vlad who hadn't even used them in bot games yet. It didn't help that our Vlad spoke Spanish and our Nunu spoke Portugese (I am completely serious). By the way, Nunu may have died a lot and done almost nothing during team fights, but at least he could draw attention to himself before he died and allow me to murder everything, so I respect that.

We should have lost, even with the amazing Zilean, but the enemy team had three free week characters and only one competent player, the Tryndamere. All of my deaths except one were to him, the last being to a truly amazing Ezreal ult across half the map (it was kind of awe worthy, I confess). The result of one team having two useful players and the other team having one useful player? An incredibly slow game that took forever to resolve, in which Tryndamere, Zilean, and I got fed beyond fed (though why Zilean kept his Doran's Ring by that point I do not know) and everyone else ran around like dumbasses. Half the time Akali tried to engage three-on-one and then just hit her invisbility and stood there because if she moved, she'd get killed, and no one on the enemy team bought oracle's or wards or anything.

The only reason we won was that the enemy Jarvan inexplicably built tank Jarvan even though they had a Shen, so when he ulted me or used that annoying rush forward move, I actually defeated him every single time. If he had been able to kill me even a few times, my team would have collapsed during the ensuing team fights.

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KanzarisKelshen
06/29/11 6:01:00 PM
#318:


Lopen posted...
I'm just saying I don't think you have the reflexes to react to a proper Eve gank especially with an ability you actually have to aim and not some AoE thing or flash. Especially not with your ping. Usually a good Eve gank involved the target being dead before the stun wears off, which was <= 1-2 seconds.

Oh, absolutely, but that's why I'm specifically discussing Morde and not, say, Ashe - Morde has the good ol' shield to basically give him a 500 HP buffer at 9 or so, scaling to twice that at max level. Against your average solomid Eve will work the same because a mistake is a mistake period. Against a tanky man like Morde or Xin (assuming the Xin has decently high health and you have no Sheen yet), either the carry or both gankers will die. This is me arguing a niche case, not the rule, that's all. :P

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KanzarisKelshen
06/29/11 6:04:00 PM
#319:


Anagram posted...Words

Nicely done, Ana. Your build was perfectly fine - hell, it might have been perfect period. GA was the only item you could buy that could dick Trynd over, so good call there. :)

PS: Your Akali was also spanish, either mexican or south-american. So you won with three foreign guys on the team. Grats!

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Lopen
06/29/11 6:07:00 PM
#320:


I generally don't find the mobility lost from selling the boots to be worth losing the boots even lategame when you can replace them with like a 2000 gp item. There are exceptions like possibly if you're running teleport/ghost and your champ has a global teleport ult or something but yeah.

The mobility helping you push towers and stuff is kinda invaluable.

Granted MF isn't completely slow with no boots if strut is maxed and you've got two PDs so I guess it was probably a good move. Your opponents were stacking armor so the anti armor thing was needed. And yeah GA is a good solution to tyrn.

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HanOfTheNekos
06/29/11 6:08:00 PM
#321:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
Lopen posted...
I'm just saying I don't think you have the reflexes to react to a proper Eve gank especially with an ability you actually have to aim and not some AoE thing or flash. Especially not with your ping. Usually a good Eve gank involved the target being dead before the stun wears off, which was <= 1-2 seconds.

Oh, absolutely, but that's why I'm specifically discussing Morde and not, say, Ashe - Morde has the good ol' shield to basically give him a 500 HP buffer at 9 or so, scaling to twice that at max level. Against your average solomid Eve will work the same because a mistake is a mistake period. Against a tanky man like Morde or Xin (assuming the Xin has decently high health and you have no Sheen yet), either the carry or both gankers will die. This is me arguing a niche case, not the rule, that's all. :P


Health as Xin?

Blasphemy!

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Biolizard28
06/29/11 6:08:00 PM
#322:


I'm still trying to get Akali down just right. Seems like no matter how I build, I'm not doing the inane bursts of damage I usually see... or suffer.

Still, I'm really digging her. I'm a little afraid to take her for a test drive in the Q, though.

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Lopen
06/29/11 6:11:00 PM
#323:


Also a good eve gank against Morde is going to read Morde's shield too. It'd be foolish to just look at Morde in the red yet with a full shield and go "I can take this" by default.

Though if he's really deep in the red the 500 hp buffer might not be enough.

But yeah. Shield HP isn't really different from normal HP. Just take it into account and he's not any more difficult to gank (with burst) than anyone.

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KanzarisKelshen
06/29/11 6:17:00 PM
#324:


Lopen posted...
Also a good eve gank against Morde is going to read Morde's shield too. It'd be foolish to just look at Morde in the red yet with a full shield and go "I can take this" by default.

Though if he's really deep in the red the 500 hp buffer might not be enough.

But yeah. Shield HP isn't really different from normal HP. Just take it into account and he's not any more difficult to gank (with burst) than anyone.


Agreed. All about not being dumb, which most players aren't, luckily for me. :P

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KanzarisKelshen
06/29/11 6:18:00 PM
#325:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Lopen posted...
I'm just saying I don't think you have the reflexes to react to a proper Eve gank especially with an ability you actually have to aim and not some AoE thing or flash. Especially not with your ping. Usually a good Eve gank involved the target being dead before the stun wears off, which was <= 1-2 seconds.

Oh, absolutely, but that's why I'm specifically discussing Morde and not, say, Ashe - Morde has the good ol' shield to basically give him a 500 HP buffer at 9 or so, scaling to twice that at max level. Against your average solomid Eve will work the same because a mistake is a mistake period. Against a tanky man like Morde or Xin (assuming the Xin has decently high health and you have no Sheen yet), either the carry or both gankers will die. This is me arguing a niche case, not the rule, that's all. :P

Health as Xin?

Blasphemy!


Megatank Xin, only way to play imoooooooooooo

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HanOfTheNekos
06/29/11 6:19:00 PM
#326:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
HanOfTheNekos posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Lopen posted...
I'm just saying I don't think you have the reflexes to react to a proper Eve gank especially with an ability you actually have to aim and not some AoE thing or flash. Especially not with your ping. Usually a good Eve gank involved the target being dead before the stun wears off, which was <= 1-2 seconds.

Oh, absolutely, but that's why I'm specifically discussing Morde and not, say, Ashe - Morde has the good ol' shield to basically give him a 500 HP buffer at 9 or so, scaling to twice that at max level. Against your average solomid Eve will work the same because a mistake is a mistake period. Against a tanky man like Morde or Xin (assuming the Xin has decently high health and you have no Sheen yet), either the carry or both gankers will die. This is me arguing a niche case, not the rule, that's all. :P

Health as Xin?

Blasphemy!

Megatank Xin, only way to play imoooooooooooo



BT, IE, FM, PD, PD, YG?

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Justin_Crossing
06/29/11 6:30:00 PM
#327:


One time I completely thrashed Kan's morde mid as Cait until two failed ganks from people I didn't want to gank >_>

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Peace___Frog
06/29/11 6:35:00 PM
#328:


then Nidalee came in and spear'd Morde to death!

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HanOfTheNekos
06/29/11 6:51:00 PM
#329:


Justin_Crossing posted...
One time I completely thrashed Kan's morde mid as Cait until two failed ganks from people I didn't want to gank >_>

I hate gankers who can't gank.

And I hate laners who don't assist with ganks.

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KanzarisKelshen
06/29/11 6:53:00 PM
#330:


Justin_Crossing posted...
One time I completely thrashed Kan's morde mid as Cait until two failed ganks from people I didn't want to gank >_>

Pshaw, as if! It was a very even match, and I was gaining on you because my armor kept increasing. You had the edge from levels 1 to 4, but afterwards it started to become my show more and more until Ness happened. ;)

Also, on that note, those Nid rumors are lies and slander. Nid so freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee~

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sephsblade
06/29/11 6:56:00 PM
#331:


they sent me an email to get back in the game by offering me a free character called pantheon


is he the worst character in the game

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KanzarisKelshen
06/29/11 6:56:00 PM
#332:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
HanOfTheNekos posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Lopen posted...
I'm just saying I don't think you have the reflexes to react to a proper Eve gank especially with an ability you actually have to aim and not some AoE thing or flash. Especially not with your ping. Usually a good Eve gank involved the target being dead before the stun wears off, which was <= 1-2 seconds.

Oh, absolutely, but that's why I'm specifically discussing Morde and not, say, Ashe - Morde has the good ol' shield to basically give him a 500 HP buffer at 9 or so, scaling to twice that at max level. Against your average solomid Eve will work the same because a mistake is a mistake period. Against a tanky man like Morde or Xin (assuming the Xin has decently high health and you have no Sheen yet), either the carry or both gankers will die. This is me arguing a niche case, not the rule, that's all. :P

Health as Xin?

Blasphemy!

Megatank Xin, only way to play imoooooooooooo


BT, IE, FM, PD, PD, YG?


More like:

BR, YG, RO, TM, BT, FM

BRING IT :P

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06/29/11 7:03:00 PM
#333:


sephsblade posted...
they sent me an email to get back in the game by offering me a free character called pantheon


is he the worst character in the game


Pantheon is the second worst character in the game, after Yorick, who's getting buffs soon.

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Peace___Frog
06/29/11 7:08:00 PM
#334:


I'd rather have a pantheon on my team than a Twitch, most of the time!

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Justin_Crossing
06/29/11 7:08:00 PM
#335:


It became more and more your show because of the ganks and me being drained of EXP kan don't try to twist the story imo

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Biolizard28
06/29/11 7:32:00 PM
#336:


So my laptop is having RAM issues and I just got marked as a leaver for a bot game in which my computer crashed.

What a bad time to take a "vacation."

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Heroic_CactObo
06/29/11 7:59:00 PM
#337:


I hate it when everyone on your team goes into fights 2v3 with the other 2 MIA (who stunningly pop out of the bush to kill them) and get pissed at me (vayne) for not ever joining teamfights

sorry guys I'm not keen on suiciding, I'll do what I do best which is not die as much as possible while letting someone else get focused so I can get 3 shots off before I get facerolled

also, someone else picking a competent tank every once in a while would be a nice change. I appreciate it when someone else plays the tank so I can play a champ that does damage for a change, but I'd really much rather you just tell us you suck at it so we can just dodge and not waste an hour of our lives
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Heroic_CactObo
06/29/11 8:01:00 PM
#338:


also, I'm not sure where the pantheon hate is coming from

not too long ago I was rolling with him in a duo-queue with my friend, and panth hasn't gotten any nerfs since then

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HanOfTheNekos
06/29/11 10:19:00 PM
#339:


Graph of kills:

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.Graph of deaths:

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Notice the inverse going on between the two guys on top.

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SpeedYoshi
06/29/11 10:47:00 PM
#340:


Kayle is pretty fun

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HeroicGammaRay
06/29/11 11:18:00 PM
#341:


the worst are junglers who try to tower dive and give the opponent double buffs
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Silver_Ermine
06/30/11 1:34:00 AM
#342:


New Record 1550 ELO.

Twitch literally makes both my own team and the enemy team turn into chickens with their heads cut off. Like... I'll show up and attack Vayne twice. She'll FLASH away, for no reason. She just had to step back a few steps. Then, I'll show up again to attack vayne a bit later to do a bit more damage and Malzahar on my team FLASHES to us and does absolutely nothing because he's still not in range. All the while I have both summoners and am just ???

I then made their bot shen start to roam and he seemed quite confused at what to do so our Malphite destroyed Blitzcrank by himself bottom??

Either way, I usually make games go crazy and I find it quite odd that nearly every time I pick Twitch, someone on my team will choose Kat, trying to troll me for my pick? I dunno, I guess it's worked...

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KanzarisKelshen
06/30/11 2:23:00 AM
#343:


Silver_Ermine posted...
New Record 1550 ELO.

Twitch literally makes both my own team and the enemy team turn into chickens with their heads cut off. Like... I'll show up and attack Vayne twice. She'll FLASH away, for no reason. She just had to step back a few steps. Then, I'll show up again to attack vayne a bit later to do a bit more damage and Malzahar on my team FLASHES to us and does absolutely nothing because he's still not in range. All the while I have both summoners and am just ???

I then made their bot shen start to roam and he seemed quite confused at what to do so our Malphite destroyed Blitzcrank by himself bottom??

Either way, I usually make games go crazy and I find it quite odd that nearly every time I pick Twitch, someone on my team will choose Kat, trying to troll me for my pick? I dunno, I guess it's worked...


That's because your champion is an insufferably **** who has a broken-ass passive. He seriously needs to have it changed to magic when he's overhauled. SO. GODDAMN. INFURIATING. /foams

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Silver_Ermine
06/30/11 3:31:00 AM
#344:


Twitch OP

nerf nerf nerf

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Justin_Crossing
06/30/11 3:32:00 AM
#345:


literally complaning about twitch when you main mordekaiser

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Silver_Ermine
06/30/11 3:37:00 AM
#346:


Literally complaining about twitch

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Silver_Ermine
06/30/11 3:38:00 AM
#347:


90% of the matches I choose Twitch my teammates yell at me and then stop when I carry them.

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Silver_Ermine
06/30/11 3:58:00 AM
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Hah, this is pretty great lol...



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sephsblade
06/30/11 4:07:00 AM
#349:


so what i'm getting from this is I should be upset that it wasn't twitch that was free

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Biolizard28
06/30/11 7:34:00 AM
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