Board 8 > PS1 era really was the golden age of rpg's

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Jeff Zero 07/06/11 10:20:00 PM #51:	*pjbasis posted...* Yeah you heard me. Everyone in this topic can suck it Oh gee! except for Jeff Zero! Oh cool. -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~ http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" <cite>Jeff Zero posted [p:61508] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> pjbasis posted...Yeah you heard me.Everyone in this topic can suck itOh gee!except for Jeff Zero!Oh cool. -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chrono1219 07/06/11 10:27:00 PM #52:	You've set up parameters that a game is to be longer and more emotionally engaging. Yes games are shorter (for the most part. I don't want to get into a story versus content debate), and I would say requiring games to have like a 40 hour main story is an unfair requirement. Take something like disgaea. I think most people here like the game, but it's basically a comedy, are you really going to be emotionally engaged in it? Because if you're argument is like "Modern RPGs don't emotionally engage me like past generations" then you have to ask why? Is it because the game is not as good or is it because the game is different? From: pjbasis \| #207 wtf is this graphics vs. story debate? stupid ** This is not a graphics versus story debate. Unless someone is literally making an argument that a game being shorter means the story is not as good. While I'd have issues if games were like 10 hours long, something like 20 hours (which seems to be average) is plenty of time to do what an RPG should. -- Chrono1219 <cite>Chrono1219 posted [p:61509] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> You've set up parameters that a game is to be longer and more emotionally engaging. Yes games are shorter (for the most part. I don't want to get into a story versus content debate), and I would say requiring games to have like a 40 hour main story is an unfair requirement. Take something like disgaea. I think most people here like the game, but it's basically a comedy, are you really going to be emotionally engaged in it? Because if you're argument is like "Modern RPGs don't emotionally engage me like past generations" then you have to ask why? Is it because the game is not as good or is it because the game is different?From: pjbasis \| #207wtf is this graphics vs. story debate?stupid **This is not a graphics versus story debate. Unless someone is literally making an argument that a game being shorter means the story is not as good. While I'd have issues if games were like 10 hours long, something like 20 hours (which seems to be average) is plenty of time to do what an RPG should. -- Chrono1219 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff Zero 07/06/11 10:33:00 PM #53:	Take something like disgaea. I think most people here like the game, but it's basically a comedy, are you really going to be emotionally engaged in it? Because if you're argument is like "Modern RPGs don't emotionally engage me like past generations" then you have to ask why? Is it because the game is not as good or is it because the game is different? Fair point, Disgaea is a good, funny game. No doubt about that. I kind of want a good bit more in the way of FFVII, FFT, Xenogears and Vagrant Story out of my current JRPGs, though. Nothing more than their ability to tell a darker, deeper story. That's all. I don't think I'm blindfolding myself to a whole slew of games from the genre that are actually doing this because I've tried several and given them all as fair a shot as I can and it's just not happening by comparison. It's a bad situation to be in and I genuinely envy those who don't feel similarly, heh. -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~ http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" <cite>Jeff Zero posted [p:61510] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> Take something like disgaea. I think most people here like the game, but it's basically a comedy, are you really going to be emotionally engaged in it? Because if you're argument is like "Modern RPGs don't emotionally engage me like past generations" then you have to ask why? Is it because the game is not as good or is it because the game is different?Fair point, Disgaea is a good, funny game. No doubt about that.I kind of want a good bit more in the way of FFVII, FFT, Xenogears and Vagrant Story out of my current JRPGs, though. Nothing more than their ability to tell a darker, deeper story. That's all. I don't think I'm blindfolding myself to a whole slew of games from the genre that are actually doing this because I've tried several and given them all as fair a shot as I can and it's just not happening by comparison.It's a bad situation to be in and I genuinely envy those who don't feel similarly, heh. -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Panthera 07/06/11 10:35:00 PM #54:	From: Jeff Zero \| #053 It's a bad situation to be in and I genuinely envy those who don't feel similarly, heh. Man I like seeing someone else with this kind of sentiment. I always laugh when people accuse me of liking stuff only if it's obscure/non-mainstream. It's silly, because if I had my way, my likes would be super mainstream, that way I'd get to play/listen to/etc more of them! It would be great if the less popular stuff that I like were actually popular. -- We clasped our hands, our hands in praise of a conquerors right to tyranny <cite>Panthera posted [p:61511] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> From: Jeff Zero \| #053It's a bad situation to be in and I genuinely envy those who don't feel similarly, heh.Man I like seeing someone else with this kind of sentiment. I always laugh when people accuse me of liking stuff only if it's obscure/non-mainstream. It's silly, because if I had my way, my likes would be super mainstream, that way I'd get to play/listen to/etc more of them! It would be great if the less popular stuff that I like were actually popular. -- We clasped our hands, our hands in praise of a conquerors right to tyranny </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 07/06/11 10:38:00 PM #55:	I think I'm more interested in good characters than I am a good story when it comes to RPGs. I can get a good story from a lot of places, but from my experience, most genres don't really give the attention to character development that RPGs do. It's not really any coincidence that my favorite games feature my favorite characters in most cases (usually the lead). -- http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/8718/leonflowchart.png <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:61512] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> I think I'm more interested in good characters than I am a good story when it comes to RPGs. I can get a good story from a lot of places, but from my experience, most genres don't really give the attention to character development that RPGs do. It's not really any coincidence that my favorite games feature my favorite characters in most cases (usually the lead). -- http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/8718/leonflowchart.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff Zero 07/06/11 10:43:00 PM #56:	Boy, I hear ya, Panthera. Agree on that one. Leonhart, I know what you mean. I think they're both pretty damn important, though -- FFT and Xenogears are my favorite games because their stories are so good. FFT's story isn't quite as good as Xenogears' but its gameplay takes a significant edge overall, so there's that. But then again, Xenogears is better about exploration because FFT is a strategy RPG, so... Ugh, nevermind that train of thought. But yes, casts are important as hell. -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~ http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" <cite>Jeff Zero posted [p:61513] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> Boy, I hear ya, Panthera. Agree on that one.Leonhart, I know what you mean. I think they're both pretty damn important, though -- FFT and Xenogears are my favorite games because their stories are so good. FFT's story isn't quite as good as Xenogears' but its gameplay takes a significant edge overall, so there's that. But then again, Xenogears is better about exploration because FFT is a strategy RPG, so...Ugh, nevermind that train of thought.But yes, casts are important as hell. -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chrono1219 07/06/11 10:44:00 PM #57:	Jeff Zero, can you agree that the writing (at least the translation) is pretty bad in FFT? I mean sometimes I read it and I'm like "Oh god really?" -- Chrono1219 <cite>Chrono1219 posted [p:61514] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> Jeff Zero, can you agree that the writing (at least the translation) is pretty bad in FFT? I mean sometimes I read it and I'm like "Oh god really?" -- Chrono1219 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Edmond Tan 07/06/11 10:46:00 PM #58:	Amen. -- "Cold water sinks and cold water rise" - A classmate, when asked about convention currents. "Make up your damn mind" - My science teacher. <cite>Edmond Tan posted [p:61515] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> Amen. -- "Cold water sinks and cold water rise" - A classmate, when asked about convention currents."Make up your damn mind" - My science teacher. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff Zero 07/06/11 10:47:00 PM #59:	*Chrono1219 posted...* Jeff Zero, can you agree that the writing (at least the translation) is pretty bad in FFT? I mean sometimes I read it and I'm like "Oh god really?" The translation? Yeah, absolutely. Xenogears gets really bad about that too. Xenogears is actually a huge part of the reason Square realized they needed a big localization studio. Their original guy walked when he saw the subject matter and their replacement, Richard Honeywood, nearly became a drug addict from the pressure. Or so they say, so they say... But FFT's PSP translation is, awkward in style or not, superior. And Xenogears... well, hm. It could use a fresh coat. I'm more willing to forgive those sorts of issues if the story and cast are top-notch though, which I believe is the case with both games. Not to mention it's easier to deal with things like bad localization with text boxes and it's easier to deal with bad voice acting when there isn't any. (Just saying.) -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~ http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" <cite>Jeff Zero posted [p:61516] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> Chrono1219 posted...Jeff Zero, can you agree that the writing (at least the translation) is pretty bad in FFT? I mean sometimes I read it and I'm like "Oh god really?"The translation? Yeah, absolutely. Xenogears gets really bad about that too. Xenogears is actually a huge part of the reason Square realized they needed a big localization studio. Their original guy walked when he saw the subject matter and their replacement, Richard Honeywood, nearly became a drug addict from the pressure. Or so they say, so they say...But FFT's PSP translation is, awkward in style or not, superior. And Xenogears... well, hm. It could use a fresh coat.I'm more willing to forgive those sorts of issues if the story and cast are top-notch though, which I believe is the case with both games. Not to mention it's easier to deal with things like bad localization with text boxes and it's easier to deal with bad voice acting when there isn't any. (Just saying.) -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 07/06/11 10:48:00 PM #60:	Oh, they're both important, obviously, but I think as long as the game can hook me with characters I love, that's the most important thing. Do I think FFVIII has a GOAT storyline? No, I don't. It certainly has issues, but because Squall is my most favoritest character in the history of the ever all-time, FFVIII is one of my favorite games of all time. Even the bad parts of games aren't so bad as long as I love the characters in them. I'm the same way with movies. A lot of people rip some of the PotC movies or the Spider-Man movies, but I love Jack Sparrow and Spider-Man so darn much that I can deal with it and still enjoy the movies people say aren't so good! My three favorite games are FFX, FFVIII, and MGS3. Would you also like to guess who my three favorite characters are? -- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:61517] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> Oh, they're both important, obviously, but I think as long as the game can hook me with characters I love, that's the most important thing. Do I think FFVIII has a GOAT storyline? No, I don't. It certainly has issues, but because Squall is my most favoritest character in the history of the ever all-time, FFVIII is one of my favorite games of all time. Even the bad parts of games aren't so bad as long as I love the characters in them. I'm the same way with movies. A lot of people rip some of the PotC movies or the Spider-Man movies, but I love Jack Sparrow and Spider-Man so darn much that I can deal with it and still enjoy the movies people say aren't so good!My three favorite games are FFX, FFVIII, and MGS3.Would you also like to guess who my three favorite characters are? -- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside.""I am lightning...the rain transformed." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Panthera 07/06/11 10:49:00 PM #61:	From: Chrono1219 \| #057 Jeff Zero, can you agree that the writing (at least the translation) is pretty bad in FFT? I mean sometimes I read it and I'm like "Oh god really?" I'm no Jeff but the translation is of course awful (although I mainly laugh at it in the way that everyone laughs at "knock you all down"). Actual quality of writing though, no way. I love the story of FFT prior to it going pretty bleh at the very end and it's one of my favourite games ever in terms of making characters that need very little screen time to feel memorable and "real" to me. -- We clasped our hands, our hands in praise of a conquerors right to tyranny <cite>Panthera posted [p:61518] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> From: Chrono1219 \| #057Jeff Zero, can you agree that the writing (at least the translation) is pretty bad in FFT? I mean sometimes I read it and I'm like "Oh god really?"I'm no Jeff but the translation is of course awful (although I mainly laugh at it in the way that everyone laughs at "knock you all down"). Actual quality of writing though, no way. I love the story of FFT prior to it going pretty bleh at the very end and it's one of my favourite games ever in terms of making characters that need very little screen time to feel memorable and "real" to me. -- We clasped our hands, our hands in praise of a conquerors right to tyranny </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff Zero 07/06/11 10:49:00 PM #62:	Squall, Big Boss and.. Yuna! >_>; -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~ http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" <cite>Jeff Zero posted [p:61519] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> Squall, Big Boss and.. Yuna! >_>; -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff Zero 07/06/11 10:50:00 PM #63:	*Panthera posted...* From: Chrono1219 \| #057 Jeff Zero, can you agree that the writing (at least the translation) is pretty bad in FFT? I mean sometimes I read it and I'm like "Oh god really?" I'm no Jeff but the translation is of course awful (although I mainly laugh at it in the way that everyone laughs at "knock you all down"). Actual quality of writing though, no way. I love the story of FFT prior to it going pretty bleh at the very end and it's one of my favourite games ever in terms of making characters that need very little screen time to feel memorable and "real" to me. I don't know, you'd make for a pretty convincing Jeff substitute. I feel exactly the same way! -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~ http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" <cite>Jeff Zero posted [p:61520] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> Panthera posted...From: Chrono1219 \| #057Jeff Zero, can you agree that the writing (at least the translation) is pretty bad in FFT? I mean sometimes I read it and I'm like "Oh god really?"I'm no Jeff but the translation is of course awful (although I mainly laugh at it in the way that everyone laughs at "knock you all down"). Actual quality of writing though, no way. I love the story of FFT prior to it going pretty bleh at the very end and it's one of my favourite games ever in terms of making characters that need very little screen time to feel memorable and "real" to me.I don't know, you'd make for a pretty convincing Jeff substitute. I feel exactly the same way! -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 07/06/11 10:50:00 PM #64:	Yuna's my 3rd favorite FFX character! But she'd still be top 25 overall for me! Which is a big reason FFX is my favorite. FFX's Big Three trumps any other game's Big Three by a wide margin (of the games that I've played, obviously). -- Support Morrigan Aensland (Darkstalkers) for Character Battle IX! http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/9302/banner5morrigan2.jpg <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:61521] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> Yuna's my 3rd favorite FFX character!But she'd still be top 25 overall for me!Which is a big reason FFX is my favorite. FFX's Big Three trumps any other game's Big Three by a wide margin (of the games that I've played, obviously). -- Support Morrigan Aensland (Darkstalkers) for Character Battle IX!http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/9302/banner5morrigan2.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Panthera 07/06/11 10:52:00 PM #65:	From: LeonhartFour \| #060 My three favorite games are FFX, FFVIII, and MGS3. Would you also like to guess who my three favorite characters are? Despite our general disagreements you've got my number three all-time game there and another that I'm pretty high on as well. MGS3 is somehow the exception to my usual taste in video game writing, being as lengthy and bloated as it is (albeit less so than MGS2). No idea why, but it managed to draw me in like only a couple of other games ever have. And it was a blast to play too, which is always important. -- We clasped our hands, our hands in praise of a conquerors right to tyranny <cite>Panthera posted [p:61522] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> From: LeonhartFour \| #060My three favorite games are FFX, FFVIII, and MGS3.Would you also like to guess who my three favorite characters are?Despite our general disagreements you've got my number three all-time game there and another that I'm pretty high on as well. MGS3 is somehow the exception to my usual taste in video game writing, being as lengthy and bloated as it is (albeit less so than MGS2). No idea why, but it managed to draw me in like only a couple of other games ever have. And it was a blast to play too, which is always important. -- We clasped our hands, our hands in praise of a conquerors right to tyranny </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff Zero 07/06/11 10:53:00 PM #66:	*LeonhartFour posted...* Yuna's my 3rd favorite FFX character! But she'd still be top 25 overall for me! Which is a big reason FFX is my favorite. FFX's Big Three trumps any other game's Big Three by a wide margin (of the games that I've played, obviously). Tidus, Yuna and Auron of course, right? They're a pretty stellar Big Three, that's for damn sure. I don't feel like there's a Big Three with a lot going for it in FFVIII, but that's just me. As you know by now, I quite like the game relative to gaming in general but it's not to me what it is to you. (Although Squall is in my top ten video game characters; fancy them lions.) Fei, Elly and Citan from Xenogears is still my favorite in this arena. -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~ http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" <cite>Jeff Zero posted [p:61523] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> LeonhartFour posted...Yuna's my 3rd favorite FFX character!But she'd still be top 25 overall for me!Which is a big reason FFX is my favorite. FFX's Big Three trumps any other game's Big Three by a wide margin (of the games that I've played, obviously).Tidus, Yuna and Auron of course, right? They're a pretty stellar Big Three, that's for damn sure.I don't feel like there's a Big Three with a lot going for it in FFVIII, but that's just me. As you know by now, I quite like the game relative to gaming in general but it's not to me what it is to you. (Although Squall is in my top ten video game characters; fancy them lions.)Fei, Elly and Citan from Xenogears is still my favorite in this arena. -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 07/06/11 10:53:00 PM #67:	That's the power of Big Boss. -- http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/8516/whatisdesiresig.gif <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:61524] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> That's the power of Big Boss. -- http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/8516/whatisdesiresig.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 07/06/11 10:55:00 PM #68:	From: Jeff Zero \| #066 I don't feel like there's a Big Three with a lot going for it in FFVIII, but that's just me. Squall and Laguna are both pretty amazing to me. FFVIII doesn't have a really strong #3 though, admittedly, as far as someone who just captivates you. I love Zell a whole lot, but at the end of the day, he's a secondary character who gets very little time in the spotlight. (I actually like Rinoa a good bit, too, but don't tell anyone...!) -- Support Barret Wallace (Final Fantasy VII) for Character Battle IX! http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3834/banner1barret.jpg <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:61525] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> From: Jeff Zero \| #066I don't feel like there's a Big Three with a lot going for it in FFVIII, but that's just me.Squall and Laguna are both pretty amazing to me. FFVIII doesn't have a really strong #3 though, admittedly, as far as someone who just captivates you.I love Zell a whole lot, but at the end of the day, he's a secondary character who gets very little time in the spotlight. (I actually like Rinoa a good bit, too, but don't tell anyone...!) -- Support Barret Wallace (Final Fantasy VII) for Character Battle IX!http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3834/banner1barret.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 07/06/11 10:55:00 PM #69:	There is a huge problem with graphics, but it has little to nothing to do with story. The main problem is all the work it takes to develop. It doesn't just cost a lot of money, but a heck of a lot of time. RPGs are already a lot of work, and with how much longer they are, yeah making them with top quality graphics and presentation is a pain. And, as someone mentioned, graphics play a huuuuuge part in attracting mainstream gamers these days, which is where the sales are. Square-Enix themselves have stated that they MUST make their main Final Fantasy titles with state of the art graphics because that's what is expected of the Final Fantasy name. -- http://gamercards.exophase.com/54552.png <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:61526] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> There is a huge problem with graphics, but it has little to nothing to do with story. The main problem is all the work it takes to develop. It doesn't just cost a lot of money, but a heck of a lot of time. RPGs are already a lot of work, and with how much longer they are, yeah making them with top quality graphics and presentation is a pain. And, as someone mentioned, graphics play a huuuuuge part in attracting mainstream gamers these days, which is where the sales are. Square-Enix themselves have stated that they MUST make their main Final Fantasy titles with state of the art graphics because that's what is expected of the Final Fantasy name. -- http://gamercards.exophase.com/54552.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viktor Vaughn 07/06/11 10:55:00 PM #70:	did someone say they liked rinoa where are they i must destroy them -- bad advice http://img.imgcake.com/viktorpnges.png <cite>Viktor Vaughn posted [p:61527] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> did someone say they liked rinoawhere are theyi must destroy them -- bad advicehttp://img.imgcake.com/viktorpnges.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Magic8Squall 07/06/11 10:56:00 PM #71:	Shhh, I said that was a secret! -- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." <cite>Magic8Squall posted [p:61528] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> Shhh, I said that was a secret! -- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside.""I am lightning...the rain transformed." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff Zero 07/06/11 10:56:00 PM #72:	*LeonhartFour posted...* From: Jeff Zero \| #066 I don't feel like there's a Big Three with a lot going for it in FFVIII, but that's just me. Squall and Laguna are both pretty amazing to me. FFVIII doesn't have a really strong #3 though, admittedly, as far as someone who just captivates you. I love Zell a whole lot, but at the end of the day, he's a secondary character who gets very little time in the spotlight. (I actually like Rinoa a good bit, too, but don't tell anyone...!) Oh yeah, Squall and Laguna are good stuff. Zell's good too, but like you said, not enough time in the spotlight. Rinoa... I feel like I need to replay FFVIII sometime soon before I jump the gun here but she's never left much of a mark with me before. -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~ http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" <cite>Jeff Zero posted [p:61529] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> LeonhartFour posted...From: Jeff Zero \| #066I don't feel like there's a Big Three with a lot going for it in FFVIII, but that's just me.Squall and Laguna are both pretty amazing to me. FFVIII doesn't have a really strong #3 though, admittedly, as far as someone who just captivates you.I love Zell a whole lot, but at the end of the day, he's a secondary character who gets very little time in the spotlight. (I actually like Rinoa a good bit, too, but don't tell anyone...!)Oh yeah, Squall and Laguna are good stuff. Zell's good too, but like you said, not enough time in the spotlight. Rinoa... I feel like I need to replay FFVIII sometime soon before I jump the gun here but she's never left much of a mark with me before. -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chrono1219 07/06/11 10:56:00 PM #73:	Needs more Rikku love. -- Chrono1219 <cite>Chrono1219 posted [p:61530] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> Needs more Rikku love. -- Chrono1219 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff Zero 07/06/11 10:57:00 PM #74:	*Chrono1219 posted...* Needs more Rikku love. I like Rikku! -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~ http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" <cite>Jeff Zero posted [p:61531] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> Chrono1219 posted...Needs more Rikku love.I like Rikku! -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZackFAQs 07/06/11 10:57:00 PM #75:	Rikku is also very good. ZackFAQs approved, even. I like all of FFX's main cast, really, even Kimahri. -- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." <cite>ZackFAQs posted [p:61532] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> Rikku is also very good. ZackFAQs approved, even. I like all of FFX's main cast, really, even Kimahri. -- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside.""I am lightning...the rain transformed." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viktor Vaughn 07/06/11 10:58:00 PM #76:	why isn't anybody talking about ffix that's the one i like -- bad advice http://img.imgcake.com/viktorpnges.png <cite>Viktor Vaughn posted [p:61533] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> why isn't anybody talking about ffixthat's the one i like -- bad advicehttp://img.imgcake.com/viktorpnges.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Panthera 07/06/11 10:58:00 PM #77:	I have honestly never really thought of the idea of a "Big Three" of characters in games before. Thinking on it, I can't think of many cases where there isn't one character who stands way above the rest, or the third place spot would be too close between multiple characters. -- We clasped our hands, our hands in praise of a conquerors right to tyranny <cite>Panthera posted [p:61534] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> I have honestly never really thought of the idea of a "Big Three" of characters in games before. Thinking on it, I can't think of many cases where there isn't one character who stands way above the rest, or the third place spot would be too close between multiple characters. -- We clasped our hands, our hands in praise of a conquerors right to tyranny </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff Zero 07/06/11 10:59:00 PM #78:	*ZackFAQs posted...* Rikku is also very good. ZackFAQs approved, even. I like all of FFX's main cast, really, even Kimahri. Change that to "even Lulu" from my perspective and I'm down with it. I'm also somewhat notorious for not absolutely abhoring a single playable character from FFVII on through FFX though. -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~ http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" <cite>Jeff Zero posted [p:61535] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> ZackFAQs posted...Rikku is also very good. ZackFAQs approved, even. I like all of FFX's main cast, really, even Kimahri.Change that to "even Lulu" from my perspective and I'm down with it.I'm also somewhat notorious for not absolutely abhoring a single playable character from FFVII on through FFX though. -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chrono1219 07/06/11 10:59:00 PM #79:	From: Viktor Vaughn \| #356 why isn't anybody talking about ffix that's the one i like The problem is that, as much as a lot of b8ers like FFIX, I can really only say 2 of the characters are popular. -- Chrono1219 <cite>Chrono1219 posted [p:61536] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> From: Viktor Vaughn \| #356why isn't anybody talking about ffixthat's the one i likeThe problem is that, as much as a lot of b8ers like FFIX, I can really only say 2 of the characters are popular. -- Chrono1219 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff Zero 07/06/11 10:59:00 PM #80:	*Viktor Vaughn posted...* why isn't anybody talking about ffix that's the one i like Vivi, top tier. -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~ http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" <cite>Jeff Zero posted [p:61537] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> Viktor Vaughn posted...why isn't anybody talking about ffixthat's the one i likeVivi, top tier. -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 07/06/11 11:01:00 PM #81:	From: Viktor Vaughn \| #076 why isn't anybody talking about ffix that's the one i like It's my 4th favorite FF game! Zidane/Dagger/Vivi/Steiner is a great party, but who cares about the rest of those guys! Zidane falls short of the other PS1-era leads, too. Not that I don't love him. When I ranked him in my Favorite FF Characters List, he was #6, but he was behind, well, all the other leads in the PS generation (sans Lightning because FFXIII hadn't come out yet when I started that list; well, and substituting Balthier in for Vaan for FFXII, I guess). I love my video game leads. -- http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7760/222bj.jpg <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:61538] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> From: Viktor Vaughn \| #076why isn't anybody talking about ffixthat's the one i likeIt's my 4th favorite FF game!Zidane/Dagger/Vivi/Steiner is a great party, but who cares about the rest of those guys!Zidane falls short of the other PS1-era leads, too. Not that I don't love him. When I ranked him in my Favorite FF Characters List, he was #6, but he was behind, well, all the other leads in the PS generation (sans Lightning because FFXIII hadn't come out yet when I started that list; well, and substituting Balthier in for Vaan for FFXII, I guess). I love my video game leads. -- http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7760/222bj.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viktor Vaughn 07/06/11 11:01:00 PM #82:	vivi owns i like steiner and freya too -- TG: on earth class is sorted out by who can drop the most delirious flow http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/7529/rapisamanssoul.gif <cite>Viktor Vaughn posted [p:61539] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> vivi ownsi like steiner and freya too -- TG: on earth class is sorted out by who can drop the most delirious flowhttp://img607.imageshack.us/img607/7529/rapisamanssoul.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 07/06/11 11:01:00 PM #83:	From: Jeff Zero \| #078 I'm also somewhat notorious for not absolutely abhoring a single playable character from FFVII on through FFX though. That would be me if Eiko didn't exist...! -- Support Seifer Almasy (Final Fantasy VIII) for Character Battle IX! http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9342/banner3seifer.jpg <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:61540] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> From: Jeff Zero \| #078I'm also somewhat notorious for not absolutely abhoring a single playable character from FFVII on through FFX though.That would be me if Eiko didn't exist...! -- Support Seifer Almasy (Final Fantasy VIII) for Character Battle IX!http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9342/banner3seifer.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff Zero 07/06/11 11:02:00 PM #84:	*LeonhartFour posted...* Zidane/Dagger/Vivi/Steiner is a great party, but who cares about the rest of those guys! I do! I think Freya is cooler than Dagger or Steiner, in fact. I love my video game leads. Me too. -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~ http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" <cite>Jeff Zero posted [p:61541] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> LeonhartFour posted...Zidane/Dagger/Vivi/Steiner is a great party, but who cares about the rest of those guys!I do! I think Freya is cooler than Dagger or Steiner, in fact.I love my video game leads.Me too. -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff Zero 07/06/11 11:02:00 PM #85:	*LeonhartFour posted...* From: Jeff Zero \| #078 I'm also somewhat notorious for not absolutely abhoring a single playable character from FFVII on through FFX though. That would be me if Eiko didn't exist...! Nope, I'm alright with her. She's pretty bad at first but she cools down quickly enough. She has a few utterly facepalm lines after that but all in all it's a good kind of variety to the cast. Now if she were voiced I might begin to take issue. -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~ http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" <cite>Jeff Zero posted [p:61542] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> LeonhartFour posted...From: Jeff Zero \| #078I'm also somewhat notorious for not absolutely abhoring a single playable character from FFVII on through FFX though.That would be me if Eiko didn't exist...!Nope, I'm alright with her. She's pretty bad at first but she cools down quickly enough. She has a few utterly facepalm lines after that but all in all it's a good kind of variety to the cast.Now if she were voiced I might begin to take issue. -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 07/06/11 11:03:00 PM #86:	Freya? Who's that? Oh, was that the character who was in your party for the second half of disc 1 and seemingly vanished for the rest of the game after that? I vaguely remember such a character! -- "Stay with me until the end. Please." "Not until the end. Always." <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:61543] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> Freya? Who's that? Oh, was that the character who was in your party for the second half of disc 1 and seemingly vanished for the rest of the game after that?I vaguely remember such a character! -- "Stay with me until the end. Please.""Not until the end. Always." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff Zero 07/06/11 11:04:00 PM #87:	*LeonhartFour posted...* Freya? Who's that? Oh, was that the character who was in your party for the second half of disc 1 and seemingly vanished for the rest of the game after that? I vaguely remember such a character! Er, her stuff in the first half of the second disc is just as emotionally resonating! And while she fades out after that, her lines remain suitably impressive. It's like saying Yuffie is a bad character because she's irrelevant! -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~ http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" <cite>Jeff Zero posted [p:61544] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> LeonhartFour posted...Freya? Who's that? Oh, was that the character who was in your party for the second half of disc 1 and seemingly vanished for the rest of the game after that?I vaguely remember such a character!Er, her stuff in the first half of the second disc is just as emotionally resonating! And while she fades out after that, her lines remain suitably impressive.It's like saying Yuffie is a bad character because she's irrelevant! -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Panthera 07/06/11 11:04:00 PM #88:	From: Jeff Zero \| #078 I'm also somewhat notorious for not absolutely abhoring a single playable character from FFVII on through FFX though. It would be me if half the playable cast of FFVIII didn't exist (well, half of the normal cast, the Laguna trio are all clear in my books) And if Eiko didn't exist And Tifa You know what? I think I can officially say I hate PSX era playable FF female characters that aren't in FFT. -- Mistake you're making - overlooking the fact that we might not want to be saved. <cite>Panthera posted [p:61545] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> From: Jeff Zero \| #078I'm also somewhat notorious for not absolutely abhoring a single playable character from FFVII on through FFX though.It would be me if half the playable cast of FFVIII didn't exist (well, half of the normal cast, the Laguna trio are all clear in my books)And if Eiko didn't existAnd TifaYou know what? I think I can officially say I hate PSX era playable FF female characters that aren't in FFT. -- Mistake you're making - overlooking the fact that we might not want to be saved. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chrono1219 07/06/11 11:05:00 PM #89:	From: LeonhartFour \| #406 Freya? Who's that? exactly. -- Chrono1219 <cite>Chrono1219 posted [p:61546] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> From: LeonhartFour \| #406Freya? Who's that? exactly. -- Chrono1219 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Panthera 07/06/11 11:05:00 PM #90:	I mean Freya, Garnet and Aeris/Aerith don't bug me. Yuffie is...acceptable. The rest? Kill. With fire -- We clasped our hands, our hands in praise of a conquerors right to tyranny <cite>Panthera posted [p:61547] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> I mean Freya, Garnet and Aeris/Aerith don't bug me. Yuffie is...acceptable. The rest? Kill. With fire -- We clasped our hands, our hands in praise of a conquerors right to tyranny </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff Zero 07/06/11 11:06:00 PM #91:	*Panthera posted...* From: Jeff Zero \| #078 I'm also somewhat notorious for not absolutely abhoring a single playable character from FFVII on through FFX though. It would be me if half the playable cast of FFVIII didn't exist (well, half of the normal cast, the Laguna trio are all clear in my books) And if Eiko didn't exist And Tifa You know what? I think I can officially say I hate PSX era playable FF female characters that aren't in FFT. What about Aerith, Yuffie, Dagger and Freya? -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~ http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" <cite>Jeff Zero posted [p:61548] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> Panthera posted...From: Jeff Zero \| #078I'm also somewhat notorious for not absolutely abhoring a single playable character from FFVII on through FFX though.It would be me if half the playable cast of FFVIII didn't exist (well, half of the normal cast, the Laguna trio are all clear in my books)And if Eiko didn't existAnd TifaYou know what? I think I can officially say I hate PSX era playable FF female characters that aren't in FFT.What about Aerith, Yuffie, Dagger and Freya? -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 07/06/11 11:06:00 PM #92:	Pffft, Yuffie is a bad character for reasons other than that, even if they're entirely optional! An optional quest for an optional character, bleh And that post was mostly in jest. I just have a hard time liking Freya all that much when she disappears from the narrative after 5 hours. I can't rank her above the main four because of that because she didn't stick around long enough to make an impact, and then Square decided the best thing to do with her for the rest of the game was to try to make her relate to Amarant, for some reason. -- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:61549] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> Pffft, Yuffie is a bad character for reasons other than that, even if they're entirely optional! An optional quest for an optional character, blehAnd that post was mostly in jest. I just have a hard time liking Freya all that much when she disappears from the narrative after 5 hours. I can't rank her above the main four because of that because she didn't stick around long enough to make an impact, and then Square decided the best thing to do with her for the rest of the game was to try to make her relate to Amarant, for some reason. -- "So cold. I am always by your side.""There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff Zero 07/06/11 11:06:00 PM #93:	*Panthera posted...* I mean Freya, Garnet and Aeris/Aerith don't bug me. Yuffie is...acceptable. The rest? Kill. With fire Oh. -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~ http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" <cite>Jeff Zero posted [p:61550] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> Panthera posted...I mean Freya, Garnet and Aeris/Aerith don't bug me. Yuffie is...acceptable. The rest? Kill. With fireOh. -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viktor Vaughn 07/06/11 11:07:00 PM #94:	I think they blew it with Amarant he coulda been cool but he was just kinda there -- TG: on earth class is sorted out by who can drop the most delirious flow http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/7529/rapisamanssoul.gif <cite>Viktor Vaughn posted [p:61551] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> I think they blew it with Amaranthe coulda been cool but he was just kinda there -- TG: on earth class is sorted out by who can drop the most delirious flowhttp://img607.imageshack.us/img607/7529/rapisamanssoul.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff Zero 07/06/11 11:07:00 PM #95:	*LeonhartFour posted...* Pffft, Yuffie is a bad character for reasons other than that, even if they're entirely optional! An optional quest for an optional character, bleh And that post was mostly in jest. I just have a hard time liking Freya all that much when she disappears from the narrative after 5 hours. I can't rank her above the main four because of that because she didn't stick around long enough to make an impact, and then Square decided the best thing to do with her for the rest of the game was to try to make her relate to Amarant, for some reason. Ah, I see. It would have been better if they'd found better ways to keep her written into the story in a more involved manner, no doubt. -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~ http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" <cite>Jeff Zero posted [p:61552] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> LeonhartFour posted...Pffft, Yuffie is a bad character for reasons other than that, even if they're entirely optional! An optional quest for an optional character, blehAnd that post was mostly in jest. I just have a hard time liking Freya all that much when she disappears from the narrative after 5 hours. I can't rank her above the main four because of that because she didn't stick around long enough to make an impact, and then Square decided the best thing to do with her for the rest of the game was to try to make her relate to Amarant, for some reason.Ah, I see.It would have been better if they'd found better ways to keep her written into the story in a more involved manner, no doubt. -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff Zero 07/06/11 11:07:00 PM #96:	*Viktor Vaughn posted...* I think they blew it with Amarant he coulda been cool but he was just kinda there "Some call me the Flaming Amarant" "k" -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~ http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" <cite>Jeff Zero posted [p:61553] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> Viktor Vaughn posted...I think they blew it with Amaranthe coulda been cool but he was just kinda there"Some call me the Flaming Amarant""k" -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 07/06/11 11:08:00 PM #97:	Yeah, I feel that way with Amarant, too. I don't dislike the archetype of "Loner who resents the hero at first but is slowly won over by his ideals," but they didn't really sell it all that well. -- "I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:61554] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> Yeah, I feel that way with Amarant, too. I don't dislike the archetype of "Loner who resents the hero at first but is slowly won over by his ideals," but they didn't really sell it all that well. -- "I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 07/06/11 11:09:00 PM #98:	The best part is that Amarant's name in the Japanese version is Salamander. And his last name is very similar to Eiko's! Maybe there is some sort of mysterious link...! -- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside." "I am lightning...the rain transformed." <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:61555] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> The best part is that Amarant's name in the Japanese version is Salamander. And his last name is very similar to Eiko's! Maybe there is some sort of mysterious link...! -- "But you have been given freedom. Freedom to be...outside.""I am lightning...the rain transformed." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff Zero 07/06/11 11:10:00 PM #99:	There's a line in Bran Bal that is both wonderful and at the same time really accentuates the lack of depth behind Amarant. Zidane: "You had a mother and father, right?" Amarant: "What kind of question is that?" FFIX-style snappy writing at its finest with Amarant's reply there, but it also shows us just how little we know of the guy. -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~ http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" <cite>Jeff Zero posted [p:61556] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> There's a line in Bran Bal that is both wonderful and at the same time really accentuates the lack of depth behind Amarant.Zidane: "You had a mother and father, right?"Amarant: "What kind of question is that?"FFIX-style snappy writing at its finest with Amarant's reply there, but it also shows us just how little we know of the guy. -- Sir Chris Police ~Ace Detective in Homicide~http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png "Thanks Punny!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Panthera 07/06/11 11:10:00 PM #100:	I think Amarant was decent for what little focus he actually had. I've always liked that scene in whichever place he and Freya went where he basically says "Hey I knew a total idiot once who was stupid and dumb" and he's obviously talking about himself. -- We clasped our hands, our hands in praise of a conquerors right to tyranny <cite>Panthera posted [p:61557] in PS1 era re... [t:59659116]...</cite> <quote> I think Amarant was decent for what little focus he actually had. I've always liked that scene in whichever place he and Freya went where he basically says "Hey I knew a total idiot once who was stupid and dumb" and he's obviously talking about himself. -- We clasped our hands, our hands in praise of a conquerors right to tyranny </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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