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Coffee Ninja
07/17/11 8:20:00 PM
#51:


since Punk is "leaving" with the title


CHRISTIAN IS THE ONLY WORLD CHAMP IN WWE!

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voltch
07/17/11 8:21:00 PM
#52:


AND ONLY DB CAN CASH IN!

DEL RIO'S CASE IS USELESS!

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JaKyL25
07/17/11 8:22:00 PM
#53:


***NITPICKING TIME BUT DOING IT OUT OF LOVE***

On the subject of the actual Punk vs. Cena match, it was not flawless. If they had hit everything as they intended perfectly, then we're talking ****1/2, but they didn't. There were a few minor botches here and there, and I can only go as high as ****1/4. For the match. The angle is a ***** angle and has been since Day One </Jay Briscoe>.

In longer 1-on-1, non-gimmick matches like we saw tonight, the WWE Style is exposed. You don't need a big moveset to get through 99% of WWE matches, but the general lack of one for Cena and the limitations on Punk's hurt the match a bit tonight. Too much repetition. Again, this is merely a minor flaw holding it back from perfection, not from greatness.

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JaKyL25
07/17/11 8:22:00 PM
#54:


Coffee Ninja posted...
since Punk is "leaving" with the title


CHRISTIAN IS THE ONLY WORLD CHAMP IN WWE!



Hey Punk is still Champion for 40 minutes.

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Strife2
07/17/11 8:22:00 PM
#55:


CHRISTIAN! CHRISTIAN! AT LAST YOU GET AN AWESOME REIGN!

Let him keep the damn thing for a while...please. Kane lived 12 years before getting an awesome reign. Christian doesn't have that long.

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Tom Bombadil
07/17/11 8:23:00 PM
#56:


I am

REALLY curious what PPV's Jakyl puts over this one. Granted his experience dwarfs mine, but I am trouble thinking of a PPV I've seen that COMPETES, much less beats it.

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voltch
07/17/11 8:23:00 PM
#57:


yeah man, angle's been the best in the WWE since DAY ONE!

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Haguile
07/17/11 8:23:00 PM
#58:


From: JaKyL25 | #054
Hey Punk is still Champion for 40 minutes.


37 minutes now
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Panthera
07/17/11 8:24:00 PM
#59:


From: JaKyL25 | #053
On the subject of the actual Punk vs. Cena match, it was not flawless. If they had hit everything as they intended perfectly, then we're talking ****1/2, but they didn't. There were a few minor botches here and there, and I can only go as high as ****1/4. For the match. The angle is a ***** angle and has been since Day One </Jay Briscoe>.


I don't know, I expect some botches to happen in any big match, even my favourites have some sloppy moments. I don't use the five star rating to indicate perfection, just a match that was about as entertaining as I could reasonably have asked. Could it have been better? Yes. Can I really ask for anything more than I got? No. The atmosphere and crowd more than make up for the mistakes.

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voltch
07/17/11 8:25:00 PM
#60:


prolly some stuff like the very best manias, and ONS and stuff like that no?

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JaKyL25
07/17/11 8:26:00 PM
#61:


external image

Love that pic

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SensiShadeSIaye
07/17/11 8:28:00 PM
#62:


so I don't know about you guys, but that was the best wrestling anything I've ever seen.

cena and punk put on a fantastic match to cap off a fantastic angle with a fantastic conclusion. the rest of the ppv was good as hell, with my favorites winning in most of the situations (and del rio is an acceptable alternative)

yeah. I picked the perfect time to watch wrestling again. my god, what a show.

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Highwind89
07/17/11 8:30:00 PM
#63:


TNA puts on a great ppv the weak before, and now WWE goes on and totally blows it out of the water.

Tonight was a marvelous ppv. Probably the best I have ever viewed.
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dragon22391
07/17/11 8:32:00 PM
#64:


So, Jakyl: how is this handled in terms of reign length for the list. If there isn't a replacement championship and Punk is gone, for say, a month then comes back, would that be a month on his reign, or what?

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RaidenZeroX
07/17/11 8:32:00 PM
#65:


tag

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XIII_rocks
07/17/11 8:33:00 PM
#66:


That was the hardest I marked since The Rock pinned Austin at SS 2001 (it was still real to me then >_>).

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voltch
07/17/11 8:33:00 PM
#67:


gotta feel sorry for TNA, every time they really try hard to put on something good, they usually do put up something not too bad at all, but in the same timespan the WWE just ends up putting something insanely good.

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neoneaper
07/17/11 8:36:00 PM
#68:


If they recover the botches, I'm cool with it. Like I said, ADR/Rey got messy but it looked more like ADR recovered from a ladder debacle and Rey couldn't because of the mask thing. Instead of "oh well a clever scripted ending" it was "oohhhh! ouch! damn! nice!"

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JaKyL25
07/17/11 8:37:00 PM
#69:


And yeah you've got stuff like WM17, WM19, WM20, WM24, Great American Bash '89, Spring Stampede '99, Death Before Dishonor VIII, Royal Rumble 2007, Backlash 2000, and Barely Legal that are all IMO superior when it comes to combined match quality/angle continuation, even if the angles weren't as good mostly.

Then you've got "events" with atmosphere and booking on par with tonight like WM3, BatB '96, One Night Stand '05, and Survivor Series '98 (arguable).

And there are still lots of TNA PPVs I haven't seen from back when they were better received.

Finding a spot in there for MitB 2011 is gonna make Top Ten a tight fit IMO. I'm not saying all of those PPVs are better, not by a long shot. I'm just saying those are the ones off the top of my head that are in contention with tonight.

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voltch
07/17/11 8:39:00 PM
#70:


In terms of moment i like the 2000 RR, though shame the rumble itself brought the PPV down a notch :/

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JaKyL25
07/17/11 8:40:00 PM
#71:


dragon22391 posted...
So, Jakyl: how is this handled in terms of reign length for the list. If there isn't a replacement championship and Punk is gone, for say, a month then comes back, would that be a month on his reign, or what?

That's entirely up to WWE, to be honest. They own the belts, they decide who held them during "controversial" times.

I wish I could take away Dolph's "reign" from earlier this year and just not count it, but I can't.

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JaKyL25
07/17/11 8:43:00 PM
#72:


Should I put a disclaimer on the list that says that all numbers are subject to change at the discretion of various wrestling companies? <_<

If WWE came out tomorrow and said that Batista never existed and all of his reigns were actually accomplished by Mason Ryan, guess what, the list gets changed to reflect that.

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Tom Bombadil
07/17/11 8:45:00 PM
#73:


I don't understand what would need to change

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X_Dante_X
07/17/11 8:45:00 PM
#74:


one day I will take over the wwe and do that jakyl

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XxSoulxX
07/17/11 8:46:00 PM
#75:


I guess I missed something big...

(Bryan, Christian, and Punk winning gold? Un-****ing-believable!!)

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TheKoolAidShoto
07/17/11 8:46:00 PM
#76:


Welp, I apparently missed quite a show.

I hate all of you

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voltch
07/17/11 8:47:00 PM
#77:


i hope DB can now get out of the feud with Cody, i like both of them, but not a fan of the angle they were in.

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Haguile
07/17/11 8:48:00 PM
#78:


DB WILL GET AN ACTUAL PERSONALITY
MAYBE A HEEL TURN

Man this is so great EVERYTHING IS SO GREAT

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X_Dante_X
07/17/11 8:53:00 PM
#79:


Face: DB/K2
Heel: Henry/Christian/Del Rio/Punk

NIGHT OF HEELS

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Wanglicious
07/17/11 8:53:00 PM
#80:


regarding the botches i've been saying it in the chat and stuff, but i think it was because a lot of the action was more real than it usually is. their movements were a bit different, they landed a bit differently from high risk moves. some of the shots were pretty hard hitting (especially the double knees by Punk, goddamn) and i don't think they held back too much in terms of how hard they hit, or even could hit. so in a situation like that, you're gonna get some more botches. but in exchange, you get more impact.

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voltch
07/17/11 8:54:00 PM
#81:


Daniel Bryan on PPV, the guy just doesn't lose(unless its a rumble, but lets ignore that).

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Majin Lou
07/17/11 8:55:00 PM
#82:


tag

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Coffee Ninja
07/17/11 8:56:00 PM
#83:


I saw Cabana, and I didn't even realize it at the time but the other guy was Ace Steel

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voltch
07/17/11 8:58:00 PM
#84:


Heathulu also owned tonight

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Haguile
07/17/11 8:58:00 PM
#85:


2 minutes until Christian is the top ranked WWE wrestler
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JaKyL25
07/17/11 8:58:00 PM
#86:


Haguile posted...
DB WILL GET AN ACTUAL PERSONALITY
MAYBE A HEEL TURN

Man this is so great EVERYTHING IS SO GREAT



WWE does not need more heels right now.

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voltch
07/17/11 9:00:00 PM
#87:


this was one of the few nights where having no ryde signs didn't bother anyone at all, more room for punk signs.

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Haguile
07/17/11 9:00:00 PM
#88:


I'm just happy he will be getting a personality! I don't care what that personality is!

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Haguile
07/17/11 9:00:00 PM
#89:


From: voltch | #087
this was one of the few nights where having no ryde signs didn't bother anyone at all, more room for punk signs.


There was a Ryder sign. And a Curt Hawkins sign.
...They were the same sign. BUT IT COUNTS!
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JaKyL25
07/17/11 9:04:00 PM
#90:


Keep this in mind too.

Daniel Bryan is in all likelihood a future World Heavyweight Champion, in WWE.

The first guy to fail his cash-in if that ever happens will be heel. Having it happen to a face is just needlessly cruel.

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Dr_Football
07/17/11 9:06:00 PM
#91:


Vince's middle name is needlessly cruel!

Vincent Needlessly Cruel Kennedy McMahon

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voltch
07/17/11 9:08:00 PM
#92:


VNCKM

just rolls off the tongue.

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MartinFF7
07/17/11 9:09:00 PM
#93:


Found Punk's win on youtube, watched it again.

now downloading.

for repeated future viewings.

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PrivateBiscuit1
07/17/11 9:10:00 PM
#94:


Voodoo Needlessly Cruel Kin Mafia

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JaKyL25
07/17/11 9:23:00 PM
#95:


the_ironsheik The Iron Sheik
I need cold beer after best wwe show. Respect to the Christian and cm punk for smart matches. Wwe best company in world

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the icon ownz all
07/17/11 9:29:00 PM
#96:


that can't be the real iron sheik. no swears.


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GTM
07/17/11 9:34:00 PM
#97:


WWE Presents Heel vs Heel Matches

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TimJab
07/17/11 9:37:00 PM
#98:


i was at work until 1030, so i ordered the show and recorded it

i avoided spoilers

i just watched the show, fast forwarded through divas and show/henry

my god

what a match

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Viktor Vaughn
07/17/11 9:38:00 PM
#99:


fast forwarded through....show/henry

it was decent!

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TimJab
07/17/11 9:39:00 PM
#100:


only possible gripe

how do you not have dragon cash in when christian is dead, the crowd is 100% smark, and it would actually make perfect storyline sense for christian to get screwed

but dragon having mitb is enough

no

i would have been ok with ted dibiase winning the mitb

because the main event

*****

undertaker

triple h

take notes

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