Board 8 > All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 147: "There Can Only Be ONEEEEE"

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I didn't love the Orton/Edge match nearly as much as everyone else, apparently...!

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I wanted Orton to win.

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Yeah I haven't said a bad thing at all about the matches. Wade Barruh/DBD, Orton/Christian, and Punk/Cena were all really good,

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Tom Bombadil posted...
Oh, I'm reading. It's just pretty transparent.

Though I'm not grouping you in there, anyway. You're atleast being semi-reasonable.

Who are you grouping in, then? You have me and FFD and snow all specifically being upset with the way things played out rather than who won >_>

although I'd be lying if I said I would've been a huge fan of the same outcome happening differently, but it'd be less disappointing

that and I had technical difficulties so I couldn't really appreciate any of the matches


Because, and no offense to either, but FFD and snow were both clear "Punk must be champion" flag wavers, and so when that doesn't happen, of course they're going to call foul on the whole thing when convenient. Hell, I'd probably have done the same thing, to be perfectly fair, but I like Del Rio almost as much as I like Punk, so it didn't really bother me as much.

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Let me bottom line this whole controversy:

If you're an optimist when it comes to WWE, you're heavily intrigued by the finish.

If you're a pessimist, you're dreading whatever's about to come next.

I can easily see it playing out awesomely, and I can easily see the entire main event scene about to go down the crapper. I'm ALWAYS optimistic about WWE though, so I'm personally anticipating all this Championship Chaos coming to a head.

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I don't think I've ever waved that flag. I would be happy to see that, sure, but I've even said in here that Cena winning would have been cool, and that ADR doing the same thing to Cena would have been just as bad of booking after spending so much time building up Cena/Punk the way they did. You just seem to be throwing people into a bucket to justify your opinion instead of actually observing.

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One thing that I did like, was that HHH apparently didn't end up screwing either guy over.

Of course even if you're an optomist, your best case scenario is something like Big Grand-daddy Cool is ADR's hired goon.

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FFDragon posted...
I don't think I've ever waved that flag. I would be happy to see that, sure, but I've even said in here that Cena winning would have been cool, and that ADR doing the same thing to Cena would have been just as bad of booking after spending so much time building up Cena/Punk the way they did. You just seem to be throwing people into a bucket to justify your opinion instead of actually observing.


Well, it's easy to say "Oh, I would have been fine with this/think this would have been equally bad" AFTER something you didn't like already happened. >_>

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StealThisSheen posted...
FFDragon posted...
I don't think I've ever waved that flag. I would be happy to see that, sure, but I've even said in here that Cena winning would have been cool, and that ADR doing the same thing to Cena would have been just as bad of booking after spending so much time building up Cena/Punk the way they did. You just seem to be throwing people into a bucket to justify your opinion instead of actually observing.


Well, it's easy to say "Oh, I would have been fine with this/think this would have been equally bad" AFTER something you didn't like already happened. >_>

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plz let this all end in a triple threat, Vince vs HHH vs Steph each with their chosen wrestlers, Cena, Del Rio and Punk.

I want my McMahon soap opera!

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So basically no matter what I say you're just going to dismiss my opinion after the fact on some preconceived notion you had of me coming in?

'okay sep'

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I'm about half and half. I was leaning heavily pessimist, and then Punk/Cena brought me back around. I am aware that they probably COULD do something cool with this, but I can't offhand think of anything specific, so I am largely pessimistic. I see the Punk/Cena thing losing a lot of steam quickly, I see heel HHH which invariably bores me to tears, and the belt is on a guy that I don't care all that much about either way.

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That said, I like you guys too much to fight over a wrestling PPV, so I'll just stop arguing and we'll agree to disagree. Jakyl's basically got it right. I'm an optimist in this case, is all, and so I don't see anything wrong with it.

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WWE PREDICTION CONTEST!

what's the wwe title match for night of champions?

going with 6 pack challenge of former champs

del rio vs. cena vs. punk vs. rey vs. hhh vs. nash

or a championship scramble where all title changes within the match are counted as official reigns

hhh has 23 world titles by the end of the match (he loses the title during the match by DQ each time)

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From: JaKyL25 | #106
Let me bottom line this whole controversy:

If you're an optimist when it comes to WWE, you're heavily intrigued by the finish.

If you're a pessimist, you're dreading whatever's about to come next.

I can easily see it playing out awesomely, and I can easily see the entire main event scene about to go down the crapper. I'm ALWAYS optimistic about WWE though, so I'm personally anticipating all this Championship Chaos coming to a head.

i'm not dreading it. i'm just disappointed. i was just ready for something that would really break the mold in an interesting fashion. now it's just good guys and bad guys again.

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If you have a problem with ADR cashing in tonight, then I think your problem is more with MitB in general and not with tonight's logic.

Given that ADR is who he is and has possession of a briefcase, it would be illogical for him NOT to have cashed in after the Nash attack.

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FFDragon posted...
So basically no matter what I say you're just going to dismiss my opinion after the fact on some preconceived notion you had of me coming in?

'okay sep'


All I meant is that it's easy to have a clear favorite, but then after the fact go "Oh, I'd have been fine with either guy winning," even if you may not have been, whether you think so after the fact or not. I'm not even trying to insult you in particular or anything. Just making a comment in general. But, like said, it's not worth fighting over.

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If you have a problem with ADR cashing in tonight, then I think your problem is more with MitB in general and not with tonight's logic.

Given that ADR is who he is and has possession of a briefcase, it would be illogical for him NOT to have cashed in after the Nash attack.

His cashin was logical, it just....kinda is a blow to this feud. That AND Nash AND the rope break just make it kinda overbooked. My only problem with the cashin itself was that I feel it came at a bad time.

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TimJab posted...
WWE PREDICTION CONTEST!

what's the wwe title match for night of champions?


ADR vs Punk vs Cena

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I think the problem is "why did Nash attack?"

also anyone who tuned in to see Punk vs Cena only to see Kevin Nash be a major player... etc.

MITB is fine, Kevin Nash is less so

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I like ADR. I like the idea of ADR as champ. I do not like how we got to ADR as champ.

Have I boiled it down to the simplest form so that I'm not 'playing favorites' any longer?

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JaKyL25 posted...
Lost in all this bickering is the classic brawl that Orton and Christian put on tonight.

You'd have to be the most ardent Orton hater to crap on that one! MotN easily, MotY candidate, best match of their entire feud and should (HOPEFULLY) be the feud ender. It was booked 1,000,000% perfectly from start to ****ing finish.

Yeah, I enjoyed it. Great weapon spots and all that. For some reason I still like the OtL match more but that might be nostalgia goggles and the circumstances in which I watched that match (with a wrestlng-fan friend from Uni, she was supporting Orton and me Christian so we had a good semi-rivalry going).

Good all-round PPV, though not quite on the level of MitB.

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FFDragon posted...
I like ADR. I like the idea of ADR as champ. I do not like how we got to ADR as champ.

Have I boiled it down to the simplest form so that I'm not 'playing favorites' any longer?


If you had said something like this instead of "You have to try hard to book a whole show this badly" from the beginning while naming off people that you liked who lost, I wouldn't have had anything to say at all.

Can you really blame me, looking back at your initial posts? >_>

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I'm pleased they threw more parts into the Cena-Punk feud. I was worried that once Undisputed had been settled, one guy wouldn't really have anywhere to go without getting close to beating a dead horse. There was so much emotion leading up to this, anything else between the two, for the time being, would probably pale to it. But now both guys have a direction to go since neither of them have the title. HHH made an error, so we'll see how that is addressed, ADR is in the picture and we're not sure how this reign is going to go, and the issue of WTF Nash is looming.

I'm intrigued without being excited or disappointed. I'll let RAW decide how I feel about things.

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TimJab posted...
From: neonreaper888 | #108
One thing that I did like, was that HHH apparently didn't end up screwing either guy over.
it actually kind of makes less booking sense for him not to screw somebody over. why even have him as part of the match?

he said his entire reason for being there was to make sure there was an absolute undisputed champ leaving summerslam, and then he stood there as nash attacked punk and del rio won the title in highly controversial fashion

He failed in his mission! (or he succeeded)

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Viktor Vaughn posted...
i'm not dreading it. i'm just disappointed. i was just ready for something that would really break the mold in an interesting fashion. now it's just good guys and bad guys again.

Too many people jumping to conclusions really. Could this whole thing turn out to be horrible? Absolutely. I like the whole intrigue it adds to the scenario though. I'm eagerly waiting to see where it goes. If it turns out horrible, I will be the first to admit everyone told me so. It's way to early to call it bad booking though.

At least we might have Punk mention The Kliq on TV.

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From: neonreaper888 | #108
One thing that I did like, was that HHH apparently didn't end up screwing either guy over.

it actually kind of makes less booking sense for him not to screw somebody over. why even have him as part of the match?

he said his entire reason for being there was to make sure there was an absolute undisputed champ leaving summerslam, and then he stood there as nash attacked punk and del rio won the title in highly controversial fashion

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TimJab posted...
From: neonreaper888 | #108
One thing that I did like, was that HHH apparently didn't end up screwing either guy over.
it actually kind of makes less booking sense for him not to screw somebody over. why even have him as part of the match?

he said his entire reason for being there was to make sure there was an absolute undisputed champ leaving summerslam, and then he stood there as nash attacked punk and del rio won the title in highly controversial fashion

making this a new post rather than an edit in case people miss it:

and he "botched" the finish by missing cena's foot on the rope. so not only did del rio win the title controversially, he won the title from a guy who won the title controversially. so what exactly is HHH's purpose in the match?

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I would like to be optimistic, but I have a bad feeling this turns into another McMahon soap opera.

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Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded.

At least we might have Punk mention The Kliq on TV.

And there's incentive right there for HBK to appear! But not Hall >_>

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have a HHH/Cena feud and a Punk/Del Rio feud.

yay!

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TimJab posted...
TimJab posted...
From: neonreaper888 | #108
One thing that I did like, was that HHH apparently didn't end up screwing either guy over.
it actually kind of makes less booking sense for him not to screw somebody over. why even have him as part of the match?

he said his entire reason for being there was to make sure there was an absolute undisputed champ leaving summerslam, and then he stood there as nash attacked punk and del rio won the title in highly controversial fashion

making this a new post rather than an edit in case people miss it:

and he "botched" the finish by missing cena's foot on the rope. so not only did del rio win the title controversially, he won the title from a guy who won the title controversially. so what exactly is HHH's purpose in the match?

To be the special guest referee. I thought it was very clear that HHH wasn't happy with what happened - do you really think his reactions suggest otherwise?

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At least we might have Punk mention The Kliq on TV.

And there's incentive right there for HBK to appear! But not Hall >_>

We'll get Xpac.

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StealThisSheen posted...
If you had said something like this instead of "You have to try hard to book a whole show this badly" from the beginning while naming off people that you liked who lost, I wouldn't have had anything to say at all.

Can you really blame me, looking back at your initial posts? >_>

build up of diva's of doom completely brickwalled, countout finish, mitb holder losing streak, burying christian, wacky fun times finishes

Yes. Yes I can.

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Christian ended up having a good showing for himself though.

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Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded.

I only liked the ending because that's what I thought would happen >_>

"Only one man will leave summerslam as champion."
"but you already knew that"

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FFDragon posted...
build up of diva's of doom completely brickwalled, countout finish, mitb holder losing streak, burying christian, wacky fun times finishes

Yes. Yes I can.



I wouldn't really say that a roll-up kills any DoD momentum, since it really just gives them reasons to be more dominant/violent, but WWE will probably screw that up, so I'll give you one.

Countout finish seemed fine to me. At this point in time, you couldn't really afford to have either outright win. It's too early for that.

If Bryan wins, he's back to facing random people on Smackdown. Wade winning allows reason for an actual feud.

It was a fantastic match. Why, exactly, are you complaining about this? It was pretty clear Christian wasn't going to win, but at least we got a great match out of it, AND the Edge thing can lead to a less b****y Christian if they so choose to use it.

We've discussed this already. Optimist vs. Pessimist.

Like said, not gonna fight because I quite enjoy your posts more than some wrestling PPV, but... Your initial reaction did come off rather "My favorites didn't win and now I'm mad."

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
More people should be outraged at Jerry Lawler.

It's not worth the energy. Which is basically how he feels about commentating.

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Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded.

basically Tim - HHH is a big character in this feud, and played a role different from how you'd expect Vince to, even though HHH is in the Vince slot. I think it's good sign going forward that we don't necessarily have 'business as usual' from that slot.

HHH wanted a fair match, and to his observations, he called one. Maybe the finish was meant to keep Cena looking good, maybe it's there to give Cena an easy automatic reason to have a title shot. But HHH didn't ignore the foot on the rope, he just didn't see it.

And he was helpless for the Big Daddy Cool/ADR stuff, I'd say he certainly looked like a guy who thought he had things under control, only to have that control taken from him. Which I would say plays into the feud he and Punk sort of have.

I dunno, I didn't like that it was Diesel, and I didn't like that it came out of nowhere, but everything else I did like. Except the "you can't wrestle" chants when Cena was out-wrestling Punk again.

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burying christian

I'll agree to disagree on most of the rest of the stuff, but what?

He got every single thing that was coming to him tonight. This was the downfall of his entire character arc. This was like the night Punk cashed in on Edge, actually!

Such an amazingly poetic finish too. Brilliant.

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JaKyL25 posted...
burying christian

I'll agree to disagree on most of the rest of the stuff, but what?

He got every single thing that was coming to him tonight. This was the downfall of his entire character arc. This was like the night Punk cashed in on Edge, actually!

Such an amazingly poetic finish too. Brilliant.

Yes, that was the way their Smackdown match ended was it not? Except for the steel steps.

And Edge coming in to tell him what was what, yeah, I think it rounded off this feud quite nicely. Obviously I would rather Christia won because I prefer him, but it was great storytelling.

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