Board 8 > Most Powerful Fictional Character 2011: Neuro Nougami vs. The Host [MPFC]

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saveus_Maria
09/20/11 7:31:00 PM
#101:


that's not even the interesting aspect of GANON1025 -- we have a character whose original canonical appearance was 'whatever the voters decided his abilities were'

meaning that whatever I believe about GANON1025 is canon

and I believe he can beat everyone in this bracket

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KanzarisKelshen
09/20/11 7:32:00 PM
#102:


From: XIII_rocks | #100
Kanz

er...I mean The Host


'haw haw haw'

But I'll accept the jab, especially given, well...

*Looks at Urza writeup*

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KanzarisKelshen
09/20/11 7:44:00 PM
#104:


From: Ed Bellis | #103
But he's been shown as being able to influence stuff outside his universe before. He creates a separate universe for a character to live in and makes somebody the god of it; he talks to the audience directly and seems to be able to respond to their desires (to the point where it's an integral part of his character); and he was even shown to have influenced events in other universes (like giving Alina James her luckhax). He can also summon characters from other universes, like Alina James's. This is an inherent part of his powerset.


Which is true, but midcontest fiction isn't counted. So the Host can do it and the edits would be rendered void.

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KanzarisKelshen
09/20/11 7:54:00 PM
#106:


From: Ed Bellis | #105
So how do you account for somebody like, say, GANON, whose powerset is literally composed of "whatever people want it to be" and "learning spells," both of which are relevant here? How can GANON learn spells - despite them being an inherent part of his powerset - if interaction between matches is forbidden, even when the character is capable of it?

Basically, I'm trying to say that the Host has demonstrated powers that strongly indicate that he can perform well outside the confines of this bracket. It would be like Yukari Yakumo - she can gap between fictional universes, so she can probably gap between matches. Likewise with the Host.


Out of curiosity, has Yukari ever had a match before? I seem to recall her being in this but not when.

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Natwaf_akidna
09/20/11 7:56:00 PM
#107:


She's been in an MPFC. One of the heavy hitters, and I forgot whether she won or lost to Darsh.

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KanzarisKelshen
09/20/11 7:59:00 PM
#110:


From: Ed Bellis | #108
She was in Anagram's first contest, where she made it to the Final 8 iirc before losing to Cthulhu (???). She was also in the League, where the only notable fact of that is that she was able to tie Darsh.


Was she argued to enter other matches there? I like to look at precedents when dealing with things like these (instead of just giving a flat "haha no" because that would be very rude)

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KanzarisKelshen
09/20/11 8:00:00 PM
#111:


From: Ed Bellis | #109
Oh, and I need to reiterate my first question in this topic: what happens if/when the Audience doesn't want either character to win? How would the Host go about making it more entertaining? What would he do?


Make Neuro fight a deathmatch with a clone of someone else? Challenge him to a puzzle-off? Perform an elaborate musical number theming the match to it?

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Natwaf_akidna
09/20/11 8:00:00 PM
#112:


Ooh, ooh! The musical number!

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GANON1025
09/20/11 8:02:00 PM
#114:


what is this guy the Music Meister

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KanzarisKelshen
09/20/11 8:06:00 PM
#115:


From: Ed Bellis | #113
Not to my knowledge, but I just think it never came up - people argued that both of them would keep gapping to other universes, but never the matches iirc. Still, Yukari's not omnipotent like the Host is and hasn't demonstrated the capacity to create an entire existing universe (though she has been shown to pull people into hers I think).


I see. To put it another way, think of The Host like Animal Man, except with the notches turned to 11 - to explain this if you don't know him, Animal Man's family died once. Since he was a pal with the writer (as in the actual writer), he convinced him to write them back to life. The Host has the same ability to contact The Audience, but this doesn't mean he can go and supersede their will by editing the bracket, as they (we) are an Aleph One to his Aleph Null omnipotence. Editing a character out of existence by flatly deleting their fictional universe is within his powers. Deleting the author or readers is not.

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KanzarisKelshen
09/20/11 8:07:00 PM
#116:


From: Natwaf_akidna | #112
Ooh, ooh! The musical number!




"Welcome back my friends, to the show that never ends! We're so glad you could attend, come inside! Come inside!"

(this happened once before. It was pretty fun!)

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Panthera
09/20/11 8:10:00 PM
#117:


From: Ed Bellis | #109
Oh, and I need to reiterate my first question in this topic: what happens if/when the Audience doesn't want either character to win? How would the Host go about making it more entertaining? What would he do?


Cancel the match and hold an American Gladiators style competition between a hippo, a polar bear and a lion?

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Haguile
09/20/11 8:55:00 PM
#119:


From: Panthera | Posted: 9/20/2011 11:10:22 PM | #117
Cancel the match and hold an American Gladiators style competition between a hippo, a polar bear and a lion?


Polar Bear.

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The Destoyer
09/20/11 8:56:00 PM
#120:


Hippo

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todbot1
09/20/11 8:57:00 PM
#121:


Polar Bear

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Pirateking2000
09/20/11 8:57:00 PM
#122:


lol wtf with this match lol

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Haguile
09/20/11 8:59:00 PM
#123:


From: Pirateking2000 | Posted: 9/20/2011 11:57:26 PM | #122
lol wtf with this match lol


I'll tell you if you vote Polar Bear.

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KamikazePotato
09/20/11 9:01:00 PM
#124:


Polar Bear

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th3l3fty
09/20/11 9:03:00 PM
#126:


change vote to The Doctor, inside the TARDIS

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Haguile
09/20/11 9:04:00 PM
#127:


Perfect argument.

Change vote to The Doctor Inside The Tardis.

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KamikazePotato
09/20/11 9:04:00 PM
#128:


okay yeah

that's the best argument so far

Change to Doctor Who

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Regaro_Ukiera
09/20/11 9:04:00 PM
#129:


Change to Doctor with TARDIS

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Pirateking2000
09/20/11 9:04:00 PM
#130:


I will naturally be voting for The Doctor, inside the TARDIS, because that's the character the Host – who's omniscient, after all – knows can potentially provide the most entertainment.


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Tom Bombadil
09/20/11 9:04:00 PM
#131:


given Ed's reasoning I have to settle on Ipkiss

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GANON1025
09/20/11 9:06:00 PM
#132:


oh my goodness

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The Destoyer
09/20/11 9:06:00 PM
#133:


change to The Doctor, inside the TARDIS

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Team Rocket Elite
09/20/11 9:11:00 PM
#134:


Doctor with TARDIS

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HeroDelTiempo17
09/20/11 9:13:00 PM
#135:


The Flash

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LlednarTwem
09/20/11 9:15:00 PM
#136:


Doctor with TARDIS

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Pirateking2000
09/20/11 9:17:00 PM
#137:


Oh WTF <votes for self to win>

PirateKing2000

make it happen Host

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KanzarisKelshen
09/20/11 9:17:00 PM
#138:


From: Ed Bellis | #125
Alright so, taking all this into consideration, here's my argument for how this match goes down.

The Host is aware of what the Audience wants. The Audience wants entertainment, and this random anime dude isn't providing it – like Wang said, he's a repeat performer, and like Kanz said, the Host does everything Neuro can do but better.

It's already been established that the Host can warp reality within his universe and summon individuals from other universes; furthermore, it's been established that the Host can manipulate other universes directly. It's also been shown that the Host is basically a giant troll and loves to get a rise out of people.

So, taking all these things into account, I am putting in a write-in vote. This is a completely valid strategy and argument given the above points: the Host is capable of bringing in another dude, it's in his personality to do so if the dude in question will provide entertainment, and it's to his benefit if the Audience will request it. Therefore, if enough people vote for the write-in, it's sure to advance.

I will naturally be voting for The Doctor, inside the TARDIS, because that's the character the Host – who's omniscient, after all – knows can potentially provide the most entertainment.


Well

This is a thing alright

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KanzarisKelshen
09/20/11 9:27:00 PM
#139:


Also, that'd be Lancer IMO. Or Ipkiss.

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GenesisTwilight
09/20/11 9:29:00 PM
#140:


Ivan Ooze

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todbot1
09/20/11 9:31:00 PM
#141:


Giygas

You cannot grasp the true form of this vote.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
09/20/11 9:36:00 PM
#143:


Popeye w/spinach

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KanzarisKelshen
09/20/11 9:44:00 PM
#144:


From: Ed Bellis | #142
Lancer puts up decent fights and draws considerable debate. Not quite what we're looking for here!

Ipkiss is probably second place, but after the initial Broly match people realized he had nothing and abandoned him. Didn't win a single match in the League. The Doctor at least has people who will still come in and fuss about him!


Well, we are using the criteria of entertainment, after all. Lancer has that on lock.

Alternatively: The Host advances every single snub from this contests as The United Front. They fight against a single character as usual.

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Panthera
09/20/11 9:45:00 PM
#145:


Sarda

He's decided to experiment on winning his match before he begins it

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KanzarisKelshen
09/20/11 9:50:00 PM
#146:


From: Panthera | #145
Sarda

He's decided to experiment on winning his match before he begins it


"CurtainsHost: Overruled! That llama-loving boy knows less about *properly* using unlimited power to make things interesting than he does about kindness and mercy. Chaos, be a dear and take him out of the picture, will you?"

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Panthera
09/20/11 9:54:00 PM
#147:


From: KanzarisKelshen | #146
"CurtainsHost: Overruled! That llama-loving boy knows less about *properly* using unlimited power to make things interesting than he does about kindness and mercy. Chaos, be a dear and take him out of the picture, will you?"


Overruled, Chaos cannot actually exist therefore an omniscient being, which knows everything that is or can be, cannot know of him.

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KanzarisKelshen
09/20/11 9:56:00 PM
#148:


From: Panthera | #147
Overruled, Chaos cannot actually exist therefore an omniscient being, which knows everything that is or can be, cannot know of him.


Counter-counter-overruled, he does because it gets rid of an unfunny warper.

...These arguments are so amazingly silly/dumb they're actually fun. Whoda thunk it?

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Panthera
09/20/11 10:00:00 PM
#149:


For the record it would be excellent if in Sarda's next match everyone made their real posts then edited them to show blind support for Sarda because he retconned them. And also because it would be the most obnoxious match for you to count votes for ever.

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Justin_Crossing
09/20/11 10:05:00 PM
#150:


Doctor with Tardis

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