Board 8 > Most Powerful Fictional Character 2011: Neuro Nougami vs. The Host [MPFC]

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saveus_Maria
09/20/11 5:41:00 PM
#51:


lol this is the best match so far, although nothing comes close to how amazing GANON1025 is going to be

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Wanglicious
09/20/11 5:41:00 PM
#52:


well then you should know what i mean then.

host vs. sparkle for the finals.

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KanzarisKelshen
09/20/11 5:44:00 PM
#53:


From: redrocket | #050
KanzarisKelshen posted...
From: Wanglicious | #046
and despite being the worst of the lot, he still doesn't look that bad to what else is in there. have you seen it.
Mostly because he's funnier. I'm pretty sure he's stronger and would clean the clocks of guys like Sarda and Darsh (and be cheered while doing so), before losing to, like...Seiya or something.


Honestly not trying to be a grump, but I don't find anything about him funny.


That's because you haven't seen him in action. He's Sarda, except a Sarda that is stronger and at the same time doesn't require really stupid arguments and massive reality warping powers. Every other reality warper is going to advance - the Host can remove them from the bracket and purify the contest of them.

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KanzarisKelshen
09/20/11 5:45:00 PM
#54:


From: Wanglicious | #052
well then you should know what i mean then.

host vs. sparkle for the finals.


Twilight Sparkle is unfortunately not going to survive Darsh unless Rocky beats him. :(

But if the reality warpers of the east side go, the Host can clean Urza and Sarda out.

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Wanglicious
09/20/11 5:46:00 PM
#55:


host - it's legalized gamefaqs <insert your most hated character here>.
the fact that ganon isn't fighting him is a travesty. totally could steal audience magic.

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KanzarisKelshen
09/20/11 5:48:00 PM
#56:


From: Wanglicious | #055
host - it's legalized gamefaqs <insert your most hated character here>.
the fact that ganon isn't fighting him is a travesty. totally could steal audience magic.


GANON is one of the characters that have high enough Stakes to beat him IMO. The others are Zero, Vriska (because ALL THE LUCK, ALL OF IT AND THE AUDIENCE WARPING), and Super Sonic due to pureheartedness.

...Man. If GANON beats Vriska and then The Host...he has luckleech hax AND audience hax. It would be a monstrous and wonderful sight to behold.

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Haguile
09/20/11 5:49:00 PM
#57:


From: Wanglicious | Posted: 9/20/2011 8:27:25 PM | #040
similar, not similar, i just see the guy as more boring than enjoyable overall. like when's the last time you met a guy who solves murder mysteries for a hobby and he has a fun, interesting, or desirable personality?

now, watching him lose would be fun. but win? to a guy who basically tries to win at puzzles? where's the fun in that. hell, it'd be a mystery that even neuro couldn't solve as to why nothing's workin' out. even he'd have fun losing the match!


Well now I'm just hurt.

But seriously though, I don't think there's an argument in the world that could make me vote for him.

From: Wanglicious | Posted: 9/20/2011 8:46:46 PM | #055
host - it's legalized gamefaqs <insert your most hated character here>.
the fact that ganon isn't fighting him is a travesty. totally could steal audience magic.


Never mind. CHANGE TO HOST. This needs to happen and I don't care about the logic behind it.

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Haguile
09/20/11 6:05:00 PM
#58:


After a shocking revelation, I'll now go to abstain.

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GANON1025
09/20/11 6:08:00 PM
#59:


I was just thinking how great it would be if I fought The Host, though getting him won't be easy.

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KanzarisKelshen
09/20/11 6:15:00 PM
#60:


From: GANON1025 | #059
I was just thinking how great it would be if I fought The Host, though getting him won't be easy.


You just have to beat Vriska. She's stronger than Sonic and Buu.

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GANON1025
09/20/11 6:16:00 PM
#61:


If only I had my precious meta-knowledge

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Haguile
09/20/11 6:17:00 PM
#62:


Can't someone just interpret that you have meta knowledge?

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GANON1025
09/20/11 6:18:00 PM
#63:


I suppose I can post my interpretation of myself, and people could agree with it.

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Natwaf_akidna
09/20/11 6:24:00 PM
#64:


Umm... uhh... bwuh? The hell? So The Host only wins or loses when The Audience demands it? Well, I suppose we're his current audience...

*tallies votals*

9-8 favoring Neuro... so Neuro it is then.

Also, somebody point me to wherever this Curtains Close Web Serial is located, I want to see this The Host shenanigans myself.

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BlackMetalex
09/20/11 6:26:00 PM
#65:


The Host
He's definitely stronger and I want him to win.
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Natwaf_akidna
09/20/11 6:35:00 PM
#67:


Abstain! In bold.

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saveus_Maria
09/20/11 6:44:00 PM
#68:


he doesn't get stronger or weaker just because the audience wants him to win or lose

his power just relies on the fact that an audience exists

since we are reading this topic right now, he has all of his powers

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Haguile
09/20/11 6:45:00 PM
#69:


From: saveus_Maria | Posted: 9/20/2011 9:44:12 PM | #068
he doesn't get stronger or weaker just because the audience wants him to win or lose

his power just relies on the fact that an audience exists

since we are reading this topic right now, he has all of his powers


Prove I'm reading this topic!

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Natwaf_akidna
09/20/11 6:47:00 PM
#70:


Well yeah, but from the writeup, what he does is subject to The Audience's whims, and so far, they want him to lose, so lose he shall. Unless what he does isn't restricted to what The Audience wants.

Again, link me!

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KanzarisKelshen
09/20/11 6:49:00 PM
#71:


From: Natwaf_akidna | #064
Umm... uhh... bwuh? The hell? So The Host only wins or loses when The Audience demands it? Well, I suppose we're his current audience...

*tallies votals*

9-8 favoring Neuro... so Neuro it is then.

Also, somebody point me to wherever this Curtains Close Web Serial is located, I want to see this The Host shenanigans myself.


Mediafire upload in a minute. Until then, here's the relevant scene of him tooling another warper: http://www.privatepaste.com/847c93e217

(warning: long as hell.)

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KanzarisKelshen
09/20/11 6:50:00 PM
#73:


From: Natwaf_akidna | #070
Well yeah, but from the writeup, what he does is subject to The Audience's whims, and so far, they want him to lose, so lose he shall. Unless what he does isn't restricted to what The Audience wants.

Again, link me!


From: KanzarisKelshen | #031
Just a note to clarify for everyone: the Host does have Free Will and he can do his own thing. The Audience isn't a tangible being that forcibly compels him to do stuff, he just talks to them directly and sets things up to entertain them. So if he decided to defeat Neuro here, he wouldn't be locked down due to his disobedience and stripped of his powers - he'd just have to provide The Audience with entertainment down the line. The Audience knows what 'payoff' means after all!




Repeating this for emphasis: The Host does his own thing. He just has the vague directive of "entertain The Audience".

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GANON1025
09/20/11 6:51:00 PM
#74:


If what Ed says is true, then could The Host be manipulating the 4th wall in a way that alters the votes for Neuro just for fun, but would make The Host the actual winner?

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KanzarisKelshen
09/20/11 6:52:00 PM
#75:


From: Ed Bellis | #072
Just to confirm here: the Host can basically does whatever he likes, which includes but is not limited to messing with stuff even beyond the fourth wall, based on whether or not it's funny or would satisfy the whims of the Audience. Is that relatively correct?


Yes. Before anyone takes it to its logical conclusion, no, he doesn't edit the bracket and the like. He could if we wanted to get meta, but midcontest upgrades aren't allowed and a new story would count as one.

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KanzarisKelshen
09/20/11 6:52:00 PM
#76:


From: GANON1025 | #074
If what Ed says is true, then could The Host be manipulating the 4th wall in a way that alters the votes for Neuro just for fun, but would make The Host the actual winner?


If you want to see it that way. This doesn't mean Neuro votes will count for The Host though.

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Wedge Antilles
09/20/11 6:53:00 PM
#77:


Neuro

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Natwaf_akidna
09/20/11 6:56:00 PM
#78:


Oh, must've missed that post.

change to Abstain while I read that Act 3.

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Wanglicious
09/20/11 6:56:00 PM
#79:


but would they count as ganon votes is the real question.

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pjbasis
09/20/11 7:00:00 PM
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That is an intriguing story.

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KanzarisKelshen
09/20/11 7:02:00 PM
#81:


http://www.4shared.com/file/ZaHeHzRm/CurtainsClose.html

Full story. I'll be the first to admit it's a little unpolished, but it conveys what The Host can do from Chapter 1 so you shouldn't have to suffer through a lot of stuff anyway.

From: Wanglicious | #079
but would they count as ganon votes is the real question.


With enough votes he would get his own theme tunes (GANON I mean):


You know it should happen.

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Wanglicious
09/20/11 7:03:00 PM
#82:


i mean when you think about it, all everyone really wants to see in this match is ganon. so in a mystery finish, should he lose, he simply did it to ganon by using neuro as a proxy. ganon still wins the match and ought to get the spell.

however some people are buzzkills. it's better to win so he can guarantee giving ganon the spell for next round. and ganon should in exchange get something from neuro. it's all for the real man of the contest.

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GANON1025
09/20/11 7:05:00 PM
#83:


Sorry, but my personal theme music would be:

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Panthera
09/20/11 7:06:00 PM
#84:


How exactly does Ganon get anything from winning a match when we've always accepted that MPFC is non-canonical to the lives of its participating characters (for obvious reasons) and thus each match does not carry into the next?

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KanzarisKelshen
09/20/11 7:07:00 PM
#85:


From: Wanglicious | #082
i mean when you think about it, all everyone really wants to see in this match is ganon. so in a mystery finish, should he lose, he simply did it to ganon by using neuro as a proxy. ganon still wins the match and ought to get the spell.

however some people are buzzkills. it's better to win so he can guarantee giving ganon the spell for next round. and ganon should in exchange get something from neuro. it's all for the real man of the contest.


This is my headcanon interp. People can fanvote against the Host, but in practice he lives to provide entertainment and Neuro isn't a funny MPFC entrant. He's basically 'cute' thanks to Evil Metal's gimmick and wins on that and maybe unravelings, but can't really back up the power against truly strong entrants who supersede that gimmick. Like Ocelot, only not as fun.

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KanzarisKelshen
09/20/11 7:08:00 PM
#86:


From: Panthera | #084
How exactly does Ganon get anything from winning a match when we've always accepted that MPFC is non-canonical to the lives of its participating characters (for obvious reasons) and thus each match does not carry into the next?


Ganon gets spell progressions as it's an ability of his. Doppelgangers get those too though I think we haven't ever seen one (Except M1 Megaman maybe?). Same way all knowing characters know about their foes as long as they truly have an ability to identify skills and such.

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Wanglicious
09/20/11 7:15:00 PM
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Wanglicious
09/20/11 7:16:00 PM
#88:


totally read that wrong.
but ganon gets 'em 'cause he's ganon of course. his talents are spell stealin'.


also ganon - i woulda sworn your theme was the song that plays in

i mean the game even has MAX in it.

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GANON1025
09/20/11 7:19:00 PM
#89:


I hadn't heard that song before, it's cool enough but I would have to hear it own its own.

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WickIebee
09/20/11 7:22:00 PM
#90:


Eh... don't really know either... so shall pick one since it's mainly whether or not we want the Host to win or lose...

Host

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Wanglicious
09/20/11 7:22:00 PM
#91:


it'll be a while until we get that song sadly. on the other hand, we'll find many, many awesome vids of max anarchy/anarchy reigns in between to that song!

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KanzarisKelshen
09/20/11 7:23:00 PM
#92:


From: Wanglicious | #091
it'll be a while until we get that song sadly. on the other hand, we'll find many, many awesome vids of max anarchy/anarchy reigns in between to that song!


This works too:

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Panthera
09/20/11 7:24:00 PM
#93:


From: KanzarisKelshen | #086
Ganon gets spell progressions as it's an ability of his. Doppelgangers get those too though I think we haven't ever seen one (Except M1 Megaman maybe?). Same way all knowing characters know about their foes as long as they truly have an ability to identify skills and such.


Except canonically, these matches do not happen. The Ganon that faces his round one opponent and the Ganon that faces his round two opponent are the exact same because they're based on the actual Ganon. If previous MPFC matches carry over, then I'm going to be arguing that anyone who had a close match goes into round two badly injured. Also Lord Foul vs Mewtwo just got exciting because I'm thinking the most probable Foul vs Mercer outcome was where Mercer tried to consume him and got corrupted, so Foul now has a walking virus man at his side for the rest of this, and hell, he can pick up a psychic cat too if he plays his cards right.

This thing just got a hell of a lot more confusing and way more open to goofy BS, especially since now, all the omniscient people have a big advantage. Instead of seeing their opponent and knowing them, they start the MPFC with knowledge of all their future opponents. I think Sarda just got handed the title because his whole "seeing through time" thing has just made him prepare to retcon every action that will be taken against him regardless of how fast his enemies are.

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Natwaf_akidna
09/20/11 7:26:00 PM
#94:


I have no idea what the hell is going on in Act 3, but change to The Host after reading his feats, and assurance that he acts independently of what The Audience wants.

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KanzarisKelshen
09/20/11 7:26:00 PM
#95:


From: Panthera | #093
Except canonically, these matches do not happen. The Ganon that faces his round one opponent and the Ganon that faces his round two opponent are the exact same because they're based on the actual Ganon. If previous MPFC matches carry over, then I'm going to be arguing that anyone who had a close match goes into round two badly injured. Also Lord Foul vs Mewtwo just got exciting because I'm thinking the most probable Foul vs Mercer outcome was where Mercer tried to consume him and got corrupted, so Foul now has a walking virus man at his side for the rest of this, and hell, he can pick up a psychic cat too if he plays his cards right.

This thing just got a hell of a lot more confusing and way more open to goofy BS, especially since now, all the omniscient people have a big advantage. Instead of seeing their opponent and knowing them, they start the MPFC with knowledge of all their future opponents. I think Sarda just got handed the title because his whole "seeing through time" thing has just made him prepare to retcon every action that will be taken against him regardless of how fast his enemies are.


Fair enough. Statement retracted.

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Wanglicious
09/20/11 7:26:00 PM
#96:


alternatively it's just ganon due to who he is/how he is and you're overthinking it.

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KanzarisKelshen
09/20/11 7:27:00 PM
#97:


From: Natwaf_akidna | #094
I have no idea what the hell is going on in Act 3, but change to The Host after reading his feats, and assurance that he acts independently of what The Audience wants.


The whole thing was put up now if you're interested. It contains a fair bunch of extra showcases. There's also a much shorter excerpt where he shows off his durability with the Entropy thing if you're curious.

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GANON1025
09/20/11 7:28:00 PM
#98:


maybe Panthera should get that SITCK out of his ASS heh

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Panthera
09/20/11 7:28:00 PM
#99:


From: Wanglicious | #096
alternatively it's just ganon due to who he is/how he is and you're overthinking it.


Unless you can show me how the original tournament he entered had a clause in it accounting for his entry into a MPFC someday, I tend to disagree :)

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XIII_rocks
09/20/11 7:30:00 PM
#100:


Kanz

er...I mean The Host

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