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KanzarisKelshen
12/31/11 6:49:00 AM
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(Warning, this topic's discussion will be loaded with spoilers. If you're just starting out with Homestuck, don't go past the first post!)

'Wait a minute, I called this months in advance!' edition.

Our Heroes:

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John Egbert, Pesterchum nickname ectoBiologist. The main character of the story, and lover of terrible movies.

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Rose Lalonde, Pesterchum nickname tentacleTherapist. A clever, sarcastic girl with a fascination for the eldritch and occult.

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Dave Strider, Pesterchum nickname turntechGodhead. A cool dude among cool dudes and master of beats and rhymes.

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Jade Harley, Pesterchum nickname gardenGnostic. A cheerful, optimistic gal with strange hunches and insights, as well as a narcolepsy problem.

Together, these four children embark on a grand adventure. While it has humble beginnings, it soon grows out of control into an epic struggle against mighty, fearsome foes, with several quirky allies joining in along the way. To discover how their story unfolds, follow the link below...


Their Story:

http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6


I'm confused and this looks pretty boring. Why should I read any further?

(Warning for those new to Homestuck, contains some minor spoilers)

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HeroDelTiempo17
12/31/11 9:10:00 AM
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more like a new Beeginning am I right???

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tereziWright
12/31/11 9:15:00 AM
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I've gotta wonder if Hussie new what he was gonna start here with the bees.

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SSBM_Guy
12/31/11 10:33:00 AM
#5:


Personally, I'm waiting for the Alpha!Diamonds Droogs.

But Bees Jack Noir is excellent, too.

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HeroDelTiempo17
12/31/11 10:34:00 AM
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At the very least, we now have a decent shorthand for referring to the three Jacks.

1) Original (Kid Session) = Jack Noir (or Bec Noir if you really want)
2) Troll Session = Spades Slick
3) Scratch Session = Bees Jack Noir

Now for something bee-related to get prototyped so Bees Jack Noir can steal the Queen's ring and live up to his name.

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Some_Character
12/31/11 10:35:00 AM
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Bee Noir the Sire of Stings.

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Nogoodnamesnow
12/31/11 11:06:00 AM
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Not the bees, not the bees!!

AAAAAAAAUUUUUUGGH

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Altimadark
12/31/11 11:44:00 AM
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So, wait, are you people telling me this version of Noir... is an Alpha?

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Tom Bombadil
12/31/11 11:47:00 AM
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I'm pretty sure all versions of Noir are

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SovietOmega
12/31/11 12:37:00 PM
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surely he is a beeta!

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Azp2k32
12/31/11 3:21:00 PM
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UPDATE

Oh man, and I JUST read this in a note on page 37 of the book (referencing pages 1790-1792)-
"I think a lot of readers have been disappointed that John's peanut allergy never had significant consequences in the story later. Still, as of writing this note, the story isn't finished, so..."

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Some_Character
12/31/11 3:23:00 PM
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The new leader (or BQ) is totally Crocker.

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SovietOmega
12/31/11 3:26:00 PM
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http://ib.skaia.net/post/view/33555

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tereziWright
12/31/11 3:40:00 PM
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From: SovietOmega | #014
http://ib.skaia.net/post/view/33555


Beautiful.

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tereziWright
12/31/11 3:44:00 PM
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Fallacia
12/31/11 4:56:00 PM
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This ball is about to go down.

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Viktor Vaughn
12/31/11 5:17:00 PM
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i'd probably appreciate this more if i watched gundam, but as it stands

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hussie would be a good person to put in this picture

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Fallacia
12/31/11 5:40:00 PM
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One of the cons of reading so much fanfiction is that for as much use and development as some authors give canonically doomed characters, it's when you get back to the source material that you realize, "oh wait, in canon that character was... =("

hussie would be a good person to put in this picture

I agree. Hussie is definitely a pro in that regard. The more recent character list where he crossed off all of the dead characters shows the scale in which he is willing to kill off characters regardless of how popular or unpopular they may be with the fans. I'll admit though that it's fun sometimes seeing the reaction videos of people upset or even crying when they realize their favorite character(s) was (were) killed.

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Paratroopa1
12/31/11 5:44:00 PM
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Hussie understands that you have to be willing to kill off some characters to raise the stakes and build tension. I think he's made it very clear that absolutely no one in the story is safe (maybe the original kids, but maybe not!) so you actually get a sense that s*** matters.
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SovietOmega
12/31/11 5:54:00 PM
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Hussie understands that sometimes you kneed to crack a few eggs to make the story batter. To roll the story along, letting the breadth of the story rise. Dough you understand where he is coming from? At yeast some people get to live!

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Altimadark
12/31/11 5:56:00 PM
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I'm beginning to wonder if there might be two Betty Crockers, one from each timeline. We've already established that the Alpha!cast has the same origin as the Beta!cast, just shifted about because of the scratch; there's nothing to say this couldn't happen with somebody else entering the Human!Universe.

Hmm, if this is true, it means you could effectively duplicate something by pushing it into another universe with a split timeline.

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tereziWright
12/31/11 6:54:00 PM
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Oh my god

Droll's hat

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Paratroopa1
12/31/11 6:55:00 PM
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He says the intelligence report he had said the kid wouldn't take well to peanuts. So he snuck in there with a whole bag of them. You know, like the kind from circuses.

Jake isn't dead. He's still asleep.

Looks like Jane's not dead either!
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SovietOmega
12/31/11 10:58:00 PM
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Viktor Vaughn
01/01/12 12:32:00 AM
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Altimadark
01/01/12 6:25:00 AM
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Altimadark posted...
I'm beginning to wonder if there might be two Betty Crockers, one from each timeline. We've already established that the Alpha!cast has the same origin as the Beta!cast, just shifted about because of the scratch; there's nothing to say this couldn't happen with somebody else entering the Human!Universe.

Hmm, if this is true, it means you could effectively duplicate something by pushing it into another universe with a split timeline.


Thinking it over some more, I'd say this is exactly what's happened -- it explains why the "new" black queen and Alpha!Betty Crocker seem to have opposing goals -- the former wants the kids to play, the latter is trying to sabotage their efforts before the game even starts -- even though the clues say they should be the same person.

Well, that's my take on it; we'll see how things develop, of course

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EDumey
01/01/12 1:58:00 PM
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That ball. It dropped.

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Lord Bob Bree
01/01/12 2:00:00 PM
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From: Altimadark | #022
Hmm, if this is true, it means you could effectively duplicate something by pushing it into another universe with a split timeline.


Only the meteors that had the kids/guardians were duplicated.

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Lord Bob Bree
01/01/12 2:12:00 PM
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Oh hey, the new album, Song of Skaia, is up.

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Viktor Vaughn
01/01/12 2:13:00 PM
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Paratroopa1
01/01/12 2:18:00 PM
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That Eridan is hilarious.
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kevwaffles
01/01/12 2:55:00 PM
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There aren't 2 Betty Crockers. Otherwise the whole story about that Nanna told FedoraFreak about her disappearing from the Betaverse was completely pointless.

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Altimadark
01/01/12 3:29:00 PM
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Lord Bob Bree posted...
From: Altimadark | #022
Hmm, if this is true, it means you could effectively duplicate something by pushing it into another universe with a split timeline.
Only the meteors that had the kids/guardians were duplicated.


What do you base this on? AFAIK, the only things to enter the Human!Universe from the outside (as opposed to another timeline within the same universe) are the Beta!Meteors and Betty Crocker.

kevwaffles posted...
There aren't 2 Betty Crockers. Otherwise the whole story about that Nanna told FedoraFreak about her disappearing from the Betaverse was completely pointless.

I say it's quite the opposite; it didn't say where she disappeared to, only that she disappeared. If the bunny can jump across timelines, why not a person? If Grandpa Harley can enter the session before it even starts, why not somebody else? It's totally possible for a person in one timeline to end up in the session of another without going through paradox space.

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Lord Bob Bree
01/01/12 3:36:00 PM
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From: Altimadark | #034
What do you base this on? AFAIK, the only things to enter the Human!Universe from the outside (as opposed to another timeline within the same universe) are the Beta!Meteors and Betty Crocker.


The Frog Temples are different.

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HeroDelTiempo17
01/01/12 3:37:00 PM
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I don't think that's how the Scratch works. The Scratch reset the properties of the human universe, and remember, Betty Crocker is native to the troll universe. She probably would have been erased completely, like (presumably) the kids would have been had they stayed in their session.

also timeline=/=new universe
and paradox space is........everything. ever.

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tereziWright
01/01/12 3:42:00 PM
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LIFESPLODE

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kevwaffles
01/01/12 3:50:00 PM
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From: Altimadark | #034
I say it's quite the opposite; it didn't say where she disappeared to, only that she disappeared. If the bunny can jump across timelines, why not a person? If Grandpa Harley can enter the session before it even starts, why not somebody else? It's totally possible for a person in one timeline to end up in the session of another without going through paradox space.


That would still make it the same Betty Crocker, as it was the same bunny. I'm not sure I get the point you are going for.

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tereziWright
01/01/12 4:18:00 PM
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wait

what

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Paratroopa1
01/01/12 4:20:00 PM
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So wait... Jane is just kind of... over there now?

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Lord Bob Bree
01/01/12 4:22:00 PM
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The bunny saving her wasn't an unpredictable outcome.

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tereziWright
01/01/12 4:24:00 PM
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tereziWright
01/01/12 4:25:00 PM
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DLing Song of Skai.

Oh hey, there's Null!

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tereziWright
01/01/12 5:58:00 PM
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So what are the chances that Jake's Dream Body was by where that LIFESPLODE happened

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Paratroopa1
01/01/12 6:02:00 PM
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I think Jake is really just not dead at all. CD messed up and fed him circus peanuts and Jake is just asleep like normal. Even when they said he was dead, it's not like we could actually tell if he was dead or just asleep (since like John he has not awakened on Prospit yet), so I'll bet the whole thing was a misdirection.
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SemiFinal vs Belarus
01/01/12 6:21:00 PM
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From: Viktor Vaughn | #031
http://cheeseburger-heroine.deviantart.com/art/homiestuck-216186077?q=gallery%3Acheeseburger-heroine%2F29842279&qo=10


lost it at hoodrat vriska

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PokeStalker
01/01/12 6:24:00 PM
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Tag

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KimPine
01/01/12 7:16:00 PM
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So I found out that Netflix has Little Monsters on instant today. Unfortunately, I was with a bunch of people who don't read Homestuck. I need to watch that unbelievable pile of s*** all the way through.
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Viktor Vaughn
01/01/12 7:41:00 PM
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http://sonnetstuck.tumblr.com/post/15130964351/green-eggs-and-dead-a-homestuck-storybook

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