Board 8 > Ace Attorney Discussion Topic, Part 6 - This Reminds Me of a Crossover Edition

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ten testimonies is pretty great. shame it happens in a bad case!

lol at L-4 being the longest day period
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Did you end up doing all of the optional puzzles in LvW?

I did.

Oh right, there are still the bonus episodes, too, I guess, but that won't take long.
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I'm still working through a full replay of the series since I want to do a case ranking of my own. I still have a little of AA6 left, most of AAI2, and all of AA4. AA6 has been pretty easy to replay and AA4 should be fast and simple even though it's my least favorite, but AAI2 has felt like a bit of a slog on replay for whatever reason so it's holding me back a bit.

SeabassDebeste posted...

ten testimonies is pretty great. shame it happens in a bad case!

lol at L-4 being the longest day period

Well, that's what happens when everything wraps up in one session!
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The bonus episodes are mildly amusing, at times. And then sometimes the bonus episodes end up flat out admitting how poorly thought out the game is!

AAI2 is tough to get through because, even though it's fun, every case is so darn long and it's not a great game to play on an emulator.
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I would probably follow a Layton playthrough. My Layton 1 playthrough was quite a while ago, but I played the rest of the series last year so they're relatively fresh in my mind.
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Paratroopa1 posted...

The bonus episodes are mildly amusing, at times. And then sometimes the bonus episodes end up flat out admitting how poorly thought out the game is!

The bonus episodes shamelessly blowing the fourth wall to smithereens is my favorite part of them, especially when Maya talks directly to the player in one instance.
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Yeah, part of my issue is that I don't like playing on emulator. I don't like it in general - it's so much cozier to curl up on a couch or in bed with my 3DS as opposed to sitting in front of my computer and playing it - and then the AAI games are extra hampered by the fact that you can't switch elegantly between touch controls and button controls (and the fact that mouse controls just don't feel as good as touch controls anyway). This is why I've waited so long to replay AA4 too because I'm actually missing my copy and I don't want to settle for playing it on emu, although it should be easier just because at least it's all touch controls.

You could get the phone version of AJ and check it out to see if they've updated the script for that one, too!
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At one point I started doing a playthrough of AAT where I played the original and the trilogy version side-by-side and recorded every dialog difference, but I stopped halfway through 1-2 because it got TEDIOUS.

Yeah, that would be rough. They updated quite a bit of the script.
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Here though, for fun, check out the notes I took on version differences for 1-1. First lines are the original and second lines are AAT:

(Larry Butz profile) "The defendant in this case. A likeable guy who was my friend in grade school." -> "The defendant in this case. A likeable guy who has been my friend since grade school."

"Isn't that your client screaming over there?" -> "Is that your client screaming over there?"

"Yeah... that's him." -> "Yeah... it's him."

"The court is now in session for the trial of Mr. Larry Butz." -> "Court is now in session for the trial of Mr. Larry Butz."

(selected Mia Fey as defendant) "Wright!" "Listen: the defendant is the one on trial--your client!"-> "Listen, Wright!" "The defendant is the one on trial--your client!"

(get victim's name wrong) "Look, the defendant's name is listed in the Court Record." -> "Look, the victim's name is listed in the Court Record."

"Let's hear your answer. Who is the victim in this case?" -> "Mr. Wright. Who is the victim in this case?"

"Examine the Court Record button if something strikes you as being suspicious." -> "Examine the Court Record if something strikes you as being suspicious."

"Then, find the evidence that contradicts his testimony, and present it to him!" -> "Then, find the evidence that contradicts his testimony, and present it to the court!"

"Indeed? The batteries are... in the right way. The clock seems to be working fine." -> "Hmm... The batteries are... in the right way. The clock seems to be working fine."

("What exactly did you mean, Mr. Wright?") "Yes, the clock was working fine!" -> "That the clock was working fine!"

"Y-yes, Your Honor, As I was saying..." -> "Y-yes, Your Honor! A-as I was saying...!"

"Yes, Your Honor." -> "Y-Your Honor." ("The sound Mr. Sahwit heard was definitely this clock.") (After getting answer wrong and going back)

"Uh-oh... what's he talking about?" -> "Uh-oh... what's he talking about now?" (In response to Frank Sahwit saying Phoenix forgot something)

("I come all the way here to testify, and look what happens!") "They treat me like a criminal! A criminal!" -> "You treat me like a criminal! A criminal!"

"Huh...? Where'd you get that clock?" "This is the clock you made for her, Larry!" "She took it with her when she traveled." "Hmm, she probably just needed a clock, that's all." -> "Huh...? What about that clock?" "This is the clock YOU made for her, Larry!" "And she took it with her when she traveled." "Whatever. She probably just needed a clock, that's all."

"But I'm pretty sure he's not going to pay me. Unless you count the clock he gave Mia." -> "But I'm pretty sure he's not going to pay us. Unless you count the clock he gave Mia."

not doing them in order, para?

it hurts AAI2 that you have to play it on an emulator (for me). i really like the games' being portable. i actually like the 3DS games less in part due to the handheld device being so much bigger. (the general slowness of things also detracts from its 'portable' feeling.)

LeonhartFour posted...

SeabassDebeste posted...

ten testimonies is pretty great. shame it happens in a bad case!

lol at L-4 being the longest day period

Well, that's what happens when everything wraps up in one session!

6-5 day 2 is pretty much its own case, though!
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6-5 is technically two different trials, yeah, but there's a lot of continuity between the two.
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Paratroopa1 posted...

Here though, for fun, check out the notes I took on version differences for 1-1. First lines are the original and second lines are AAT:

(Larry Butz profile) "The defendant in this case. A likeable guy who was my friend in grade school." -> "The defendant in this case. A likeable guy who has been my friend since grade school."

"Isn't that your client screaming over there?" -> "Is that your client screaming over there?"

"Yeah... that's him." -> "Yeah... it's him."

"The court is now in session for the trial of Mr. Larry Butz." -> "Court is now in session for the trial of Mr. Larry Butz."

(selected Mia Fey as defendant) "Wright!" "Listen: the defendant is the one on trial--your client!"-> "Listen, Wright!" "The defendant is the one on trial--your client!"

(get victim's name wrong) "Look, the defendant's name is listed in the Court Record." -> "Look, the victim's name is listed in the Court Record."

"Let's hear your answer. Who is the victim in this case?" -> "Mr. Wright. Who is the victim in this case?"

"Examine the Court Record button if something strikes you as being suspicious." -> "Examine the Court Record if something strikes you as being suspicious."

"Then, find the evidence that contradicts his testimony, and present it to him!" -> "Then, find the evidence that contradicts his testimony, and present it to the court!"

"Indeed? The batteries are... in the right way. The clock seems to be working fine." -> "Hmm... The batteries are... in the right way. The clock seems to be working fine."

("What exactly did you mean, Mr. Wright?") "Yes, the clock was working fine!" -> "That the clock was working fine!"

"Y-yes, Your Honor, As I was saying..." -> "Y-yes, Your Honor! A-as I was saying...!"

"Yes, Your Honor." -> "Y-Your Honor." ("The sound Mr. Sahwit heard was definitely this clock.") (After getting answer wrong and going back)

"Uh-oh... what's he talking about?" -> "Uh-oh... what's he talking about now?" (In response to Frank Sahwit saying Phoenix forgot something)

("I come all the way here to testify, and look what happens!") "They treat me like a criminal! A criminal!" -> "You treat me like a criminal! A criminal!"

"Huh...? Where'd you get that clock?" "This is the clock you made for her, Larry!" "She took it with her when she traveled." "Hmm, she probably just needed a clock, that's all." -> "Huh...? What about that clock?" "This is the clock YOU made for her, Larry!" "And she took it with her when she traveled." "Whatever. She probably just needed a clock, that's all."

"But I'm pretty sure he's not going to pay me. Unless you count the clock he gave Mia." -> "But I'm pretty sure he's not going to pay us. Unless you count the clock he gave Mia."

i appreciate the error cleanup, but most of the conversational changes feel a bit worse to me!
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I think "examine the court record button" is my favorite original line - don't look through the court record, just look at the button really closely, that'll help

SeabassDebeste posted...

most of the conversational changes feel a bit worse to me!

I feel like a lot of it is just because you're used to the original translation.

Some of those changes feel unnecessary though, like having Phoenix stutter a little more in one of those instances.
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LeonhartFour posted...

SeabassDebeste posted...

most of the conversational changes feel a bit worse to me!

I feel like a lot of it is just because you're used to the original translation.

Some of those changes feel unnecessary though, like having Phoenix stutter a little more in one of those instances.

hmm, the further i read, the more i liked the changes. i posted that having read only the first half. those first lines seemed better in the original (especially the one-two of 'isn't that your client' / 'that's him'). the later corrections feel more correct/natural
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A lot of the lines seem to have to do with like, slightly awkward usage of pronouns or sentence subjects. I was really amused by the change from presenting the evidence directly to Sahwit himself instead of to the court, for instance. "Not going to pay us" makes more sense too given the next line being about Mia, although "not going to pay me, except for the clock he gave Mia" is funny in its own right because it's even more sarcastic (I didn't get paid, except for something he gave someone else).

I think the conversation with Larry about the clock at the end is a lot better in the AAT version, but I do like "isn't that your client" more than "is that your client" because it makes Mia sound more like she's aware of what's going on as opposed to simply asking Phoenix a question.

And here's an incomplete list of 1-2 stuff up halfway through the first trial day, which is where I eventually put it down. This is kinda making me want to revisit this, although it's a ton of work, and I really try to catch EVERY little change, even down to minor capitalization fixes:

(Mia) "Sorry, I've been so busy. How you been?" -> "Sorry, I've been so busy. How've you been?"

"I have to check and see if Mia... the Chief's okay!" -> I have to check and see if Mia... the chief's okay!"

"I didn't mean to trouble you..." -> "I didn't mean to insult you..." (This is after Maya talks about what she heard from Mia about Phoenix needing three more years experience)

"But... at the same time, I can't just sit and watch!" -> "But... at the same time, I can't just sit by and watch!"

"Nobody could get a hold of him!" -> "Nobody could get a hold of him..." (Referring to Grossberg)

"Hmm... funny... they don't look like they've ever been read." -> "Hmm... Funny... They don't look like they've ever been read."

"They say that E.S.P. runs in our blood." -> "They say a lotta spiritual power runs in our blood." (Note: Phoenix refers to it as ESP earlier in both scripts, but Maya never refers to it that way in the new script)

"I had to become independent, or I would lose my E.S.P.!" -> "I had to become independent, or I would lose my powers!"

"Hmm... if I tell him why I want it there's no way he'll give it to me!" -> "If I tell him why I want it, there's no way he'll give it to me!" (Referring to Maya's cell phone)

(Blue text) "Received: Maya's Cell Phone." -> "Maya's Cell Phone received from Detective Gumshoe."

"If you want to know, you'll just have to come to the court tomorrow, Mr. Lawyer!" -> "If you want to know, you'll just have to come to court tomorrow, Mr. Lawyer!"

"Me... "the witness"! It's just like the movie!" -> "Me... "the witness"! It's just like in the movies!"

"The court is now in session for the trial of Ms. Maya Fey." -> "Court is now in session for the trial of Ms. Maya Fey."

(Edgeworth) "You may call your first witness." -> "If we may call our first witness, Your Honor." ("The prosecution calls the chief officer at the scene, Detective Gumshoe!")

(Edgeworth, following Gumshoe messing up the term 'hemoglobin') "I think you can expect a pleasant bonus in your next pay check." "Oh? Oh hoh hoh." -> "I look forward to your next evaluation. As should you." "...O-oh..."

"Someone who died immediately wouldn't have the time to write anything down." -> "Someone who died immediately wouldn't have had the time to write anything down."

(Selected "I'm a sham!") ("Detective Gumshoe.") "Are you calling me a fool because I believed your report?" "Huh? Me? I-I'm not... huh?" -> "Was I a fool to trust you and your report?" "Huh? Me? I-I wasn't... huh?"

"The witness will refrain from wonton winking!" -> "The witness will refrain from wanton winking!"

"(She's already captured the heart of every man in the court!)" -> "(She's already captured the heart of every man in this courtroom!)"

oh man I remember the "wonton winking" line from the original

so good
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There's a few really bizarre flubs in the original 1-2 script, like Edgeworth speaking like he's the judge for the moment, and Edgeworth actually saying he's going to give Gumshoe a raise at one point after he messes up. Really weird! The ESP thing is super strange too

Paratroopa1 posted...

like Edgeworth speaking like he's the judge for the moment

I think I remember that one, too, yeah.

I think one of my biggest peeves is when the name listed on the textbox is wrong, which AA is usually good about avoiding. I think there's maybe only one instance of it in the OT, and it happens a couple of times in the newer games.

As opposed to something like Danganronpa, where it happens all the time.
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I'm not sure if I missed any mistakes in the name listed in the textbox in these notes actually - I wrote these a while ago, so I can't remember if it was something I was paying close attention to. I probably did.

Man, now I've got this giant file of all my writeups and all my gameplay data, and it feels like a shame to delete it.

it covers like the last year of my life
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don't delete it! save it! preferably on googledocs so it's backed up
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I've really got no further use for it though and it's not like anybody else will use it.
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Don't delete all the time data at least

I guess I'll keep this alive for a little longer.
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Man, I forgot how great the first Special Episode was. Everyone is so self-aware that Phoenix asks if it's okay for then to be doing this, which prompts Maya to say that it's good sometimes, "right, avid video game player?"

"And now for some puzzles dropped from the main game...Ahem...I mean specially prepared for our enjoyment." The 17 cups reference was A+ too.
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Bump
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Tomorrow is not going to be fun.
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Has this topic been archived? It seems unlikely to reach 500.
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You're asking the wrong person.
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@Zyxyz0
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Going to archive this in a minute (only didn't before b/c I didn't realize it was in danger of purging). (edit: archiving done now!)

While this topic's still here, going to mention that I kind of wish I had done a watchthrough topic of DGS after all. It's pretty great! (I did finish it a while back, just forgot to mention that here.)
I guess I could still do one of DGS2 when that gets released and the youtube subs for it are out... eventually...
Even that channel's lower translation quality will be better than nothing, after all
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Yes, DGS1 is great! It's a shame we'll never get it.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Yes, DGS1 is great! It's a shame we'll never get it.

:(

the translation is completely done?
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For the game patch? Not even close, I imagine.

dowolf's and that other guy's are both done though.
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i meant youtube, yeah

if this topic has cooled off in terms of people's replays... maybe i'll start working through dgs1
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Well, I plan to get back to the Layton games sometime soon, if people want this topic to continue in that direction.

Just to warn you that the YouTube one is fraught with errors, and he doesn't try to get all possible dialogue. It can be a tough read, so it might actually help to follow along with dowolf's script, too (although he does change the names).

Preemptive Susato Mikotoba hype
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dowolf is my hero for actually changing the names and not perpetuating the absurdity that Cosney Megundal is actually a name that a british person would have

Yeah, I'm in favor of changing the names, too. I'm just saying you'll have to learn which names are which if you follow along with dowolf's script as you watch.
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i shall require links
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wait what

he deleted all the videos

or someone did at any rate

But it looks like someone's started a new LP.

Except they're not putting the script on the screen. They're actually voicing the dialogue as they play. Interesting. Looks like this one's not done yet though, sadly.

You can try it and see what you think:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLldmudk5IZFWmXOxgukwwiSgb_TyB3rBY
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Taken down by Capcom apparently:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AceAttorney/comments/6j1l1f/capcom_has_taken_down_the_entire_subbed/#s
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You gotta be fucking kidding me
This is so disgusting
Since when subbing a game on Youtube is illegal?
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I can only hope this is an AM2R situation

Huh, glad I went ahead and watched it then!
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