Board 8 > Ace Attorney Discussion Topic, Part 6 - This Reminds Me of a Crossover Edition

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Edgeworth's updated one is the worst

Also, am I remembering it wrong or was Godot's changed for the Trilogy release? It sounds off to me.
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You are remembering it wrong. It's exactly the same.
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i think franziska's objection is fine

possibly the only thing i'll say that about, regarding her
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The voice of Franziska von Karma is the only one who's still on staff for the series, I believe.
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Franziska's isn't terrible but I'm just kinda lukewarm on it

Question: Does anyone remember if Phoenix makes any appearance in 5-2 at all? Like via phone call or anything? I'm replaying 6-4 right now and I'm wondering if it's the only case in the entire series without Phoenix OR Edgeworth in it.

doesn't he appear to stun apollo in his badass suit at the beginning before heading off to the airport? maybe not.
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Phoenix shows up before the first trial day in the suit without the attorney's badge, and Apollo comments that he doesn't look like a hobo anymore (and they do a quick 3-D-ification of Hobonix just because they can).

He also shows up on investigation day 2, and he talks about 5-2's similarity to 2-2, including an indirect reference to Franziska. That was the moment I knew the series was going to be okay again.
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Anyway, I got through the Vigilantes testimonies, and they weren't as bad as I remembered! They were overly long since they're nine statements apiece, but they're thankfully not convoluted or hard to navigate. It's chaotic, but it never gets out of control at the same time. I enjoyed the moment where all nine of them object at the same time. Also, Maya continues to be great by getting Number Nine's name without missing a beat. She also confirms Phoenix/Iris by outright saying she and Phoenix are not a couple! Huzzah!

L-4 is unique in that there are out-of-trial sequences in the middle of the trial, the first of which here is solving the puzzle in the bell tower with the two pendants. The game made it a little too obvious that Espella had the other pendant while trying to sell you that it's a dramatic moment where you need to come up with something to save the day. Like, she holds up her arm with the pendant on it and the camera stays on it for a good five seconds, so it's not even a matter of paying close attention.
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Chapter 8 finished, which means we're only halfway through L-4! They split the trial up over two chapters here because you're technically controlling Layton for the last chapter, I guess! We also have a playable Layton segment in the middle of the trial as they climb up and investigate the Storyteller's Tower, which is a really cool location. They find a photo of Espella as a child with a girl who is quite clearly Darklaw, but nobody bothers pointing it out for some reason. At the top of the tower, we discover that the Storyteller is unsurprisingly still alive, and we get a cool cutscene followed by a puzzle of Layton fighting a bunch of suits of armor brought to life by the Storyteller writing them into existence, or so it seems. The image of chibi Layton slicing through those armored suits in the puzzle is so great.

Afterward, we find out that the Storyteller has lost control of his own Story and is completely unaware that Espella is the one on trial. After all, it was supposed to be Kira, whom Phoenix and Maya found up in the belfry after solving the puzzle there. Layton tells him he intends to go back and take his place in the courtroom, but not as a defender, since that spot is already filled. Since it will be his job to expose the truth, there's only one place he can stand. Then he invites the Storyteller to come watch it all unfold as the chapter ends.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Chapter 8 finished, which means we're only halfway through L-4!

Haha, that's cute, you think that's halfway

halfway in terms of sections

I'd say we're halfway through 6-5 after day 1 too
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LeonhartFour posted...

halfway in terms of sections

It's not even that. You have two chapters left

like being 80% done with the main game of AA6 after finishing 6-4
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Oh right, they give the Storyteller's testimony its own chapter, don't they?

Eh, whatever.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Oh right, they give the Storyteller's testimony its own chapter, don't they?

Eh, whatever.

Not only is it its own chapter, but it's probably the longest of the three

Chapter 8 is pretty lengthy, too, because of that Layton section. I don't think Chapter 9 is very long because it's just the Kira stuff, right?
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9's pretty long too

I really forgot how monstrous L-4 is. 8 is probably the shortest chapter of the three!

Although I may be underestimating how long the Layton portion of 8 is to be fair

LeonhartFour posted...

Chapter 8 finished, which means we're only halfway through L-4!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okKWydUEPOQ
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I forgot how quickly the game dives off the deep end as soon as Kira takes the stand. In a world where magic is the norm, even Labyrinthians find the idea of a "robe of invisibility" utterly absurd.
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that game is weird. 1-3 in like 3 or 4 chapters and then the last one is 5 on its own.
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Finished 3-3 day 1. Kudo is better than I remembered (in the trial, anyway).

Maggey still sucks though
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Kudo is great! Maggey has always been fine and nothing more or less.
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It's weird playing through this case with info that Phoenix doesn't already possess himself because of the Layton segment, particularly about Darklaw. Yet he's able to get to the point where he can accuse her of being involved with the crime through a lot of connecting the dots on circumstantial evidence. It's pretty impressive.
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Yeah that's pretty interesting - I probably took that somewhat for granted because I always assumed that it was obvious that Darklaw was behind it all

Well, if you haven't figured out it's Darklaw by the time you get to the Eldwitch Woods, you're probably not paying much attention! Actually, as I've played through this game, I've been very impressed at how great of a lawyer Phoenix is here. I suppose it makes sense since this would have to be post-T&T when he's at the peak of his power and "as good as any lawyer could hope to be," but yeah, he's in top form here in terms of skill.

Still working my way through Chapter 9. Finally got Darklaw onto the stand and Layton to step up as the eponymous Last Inquisitor. Interestingly, in that cutscene where he shows up, Maya isn't wearing her disguise and Luke is standing beside Layton, both of which should not be the case! But yeah, Darklaw's a great character, and she really makes you work for it. I forgot about Kira eventually getting so frustrated by Darklaw's lying that she just outs her as the Great Witch of the Eldwitch Woods. That was a pretty great moment.
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the end is in sight
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Chapter 9 complete! Darklaw becomes much more free with her information once it comes out that she's the Great Witch of the Eldwitch Woods. Eventually, she reveals that she's been bent on betraying the Storyteller and setting up Espella as Bezella, who is more than a witch. She doesn't give away her motives just yet though.

I think the judge is really good here because his reactions really help convey how mind blowing all this must be to the average Labyrinthian: Magic doesn't exist. None of the witches died. The Shades did it all. It's one crazy thing after another, and the judge sells it really well.
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Safety bump. Probably won't play any tonight.
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I really feel like L-4 starts to lose steam around the part where you reveal that magic and witches aren't real - after that point, then the rest feels like it doesn't matter, because the whole jig is already up

The Storyteller's testimony is strange. It feels so out of place after everything you've seen so far, and there isn't really anything for anyone to do but ask a bunch of questions. I do like the Labrelum/Umbrella pun though, and Maya's "Look where that Shade's hand is!" joke when they show the image of the Shades making the gold Layton statue. Now how she saw that image, who knows!
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I like how if you do a 'hang on!' to the Storyteller, you get Phoenix telling him how much he likes his cold medicines, and he recites a jingle I can't remember

I forgot to mention it but there is a lot of good wrong-hang on dialog that's worth looking for

Yeah, there's a lot of great "wrong answer" dialogue during L-4, which helps balance out how nonsensical the plot gets here!
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Too bad L-4 is the most difficult case in the series to get all the "wrong answer" dialog in because of how saves work

Yeah, it's ridiculous. At least getting a HANG ON wrong doesn't count against you.

Anyway, apparently Capcom is doing some DGS1 recaps to get ready for the release of DGS2. There aren't any real spoilers in this video, but the first couple of minutes is a complete reenactment of the 2-1 intro (with voice acting), so that might be worth watching for those of you who haven't experienced DGS yet!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rnTly2nzvk
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I thought it was just gonna be the dream but then it was also the fire extinguisher part which is great

Espella continuing to insist that she's Bezella despite all the evidence to the contrary is kinda annoying.
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The game kinda falls apart at the end. It went on too long.
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Darklaw's back on the stand after exposing that she was Espella's friend named Eve. I like that she doesn't even bother to hide her contempt for the Storyteller at this point. Phoenix pouncing on Layton's wrong evidence presents is fantastic, too. HAVE A LO--OBJECTION!
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Aaaaaand we're finally finished! Ten total testimonies: One with Espella (and Eve, I guess), two with all the Vigilantes, two with Kira, two with Kira and Darklaw, one with the Storyteller, one with the Storyteller and Espella, and one with the Storyteller, Espella, and Darklaw. The final piece of evidence is the mechanism for ringing the bell to show that Darklaw had to be the one who rang it, not Espella. The last stretch is rather awkward and we'd have been better served with the defiant Espella from the trailer than the "woe is me" Espella we ultimately got. The revelation that Darklaw was Belduke's daughter and it was his suicide that spurred her revenge plot into action was a bit poignant, but other than that, it's a hot mess.

Let's get to all the final numbers and some bonus stats:

Chapter 5 playtime: 3:18:04
Chapter 6 playtime: 1:13:22
Chapter 7 playtime: 1:06:55
Chapter 8 playtime: 2:30:00
Chapter 9 playtime: 2:12:06
Epilogue playtime: 2:52:50
L-4 investigation playtime: 5:38:21
L-4 trial playtime: 7:34:56
L-4 total playtime: 13:13:17

Spirit of Justice total playtime: 40:41:47
Ace Attorney Investigations 2 total playtime: 34:52:21
Dual Destinies total playtime: 34:28:32
Professor Layton vs. Ace Attorney total playtime: 29:28:26
Trials & Tribulations total playtime: 25:04:37
Ace Attorney Investigations total playtime: 22:44:45
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney total playtime: 20:50:25
Justice for All total playtime: 20:15:31
Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney total playtime: 19:46:53

Total playtime for all games: 248:13:17

That's 10 days, 8 hours, 13 minutes, 17 seconds

6-5 - 14:03:49
E2-5 - 9:36:06
3-5 - 9:35:46
2-4 - 9:05:21
1-5 - 8:46:43
E1-5 - 8:42:23
6-3 - 8:13:50
E2-3 - 8:09:06
L-4 - 7:34:56
E2-2 - 7:29:23
5-6 - 7:21:19
5-2 - 7:13:40
5-3 - 6:50:24
4-4 - 6:38:01
5-5 - 6:16:05
6-6 - 6:04:07
3-2 - 6:02:56
E2-4 - 6:01:14
6-2 - 5:58:46
4-3 - 5:58:33
3-3 - 5:48:31
2-3 - 5:06:33
1-4 - 4:59:52
4-2 - 4:58:35
E1-4 - 4:58:26
2-2 - 4:47:40
5-4 - 4:27:31
L-3 - 4:08:41
E1-3 - 4:02:16
1-3 - 3:49:35
E2-1 - 3:36:32
6-4 - 3:21:23
L-2 - 3:16:00
E1-2 - 3:15:49
6-1 - 2:59:52
1-2 - 2:40:40
5-1 - 2:19:33
4-1 - 2:11:44
3-4 - 1:54:15
E1-1 - 1:44:51
3-1 - 1:43:09
L-1 - 1:39:12
2-1 - 1:15:57
4-0 - 1:09:44
1-1 - 0:33:35
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"Days" by total length:

1. 6-5 day 2: 9:02:37
2. 5-5 day 1: 6:16:05
3. 3-5 day 2: 6:02:27
4. 6-2 day 1: 5:58:46
5. 6-5 day 1: 5:01:12
6. 2-4 day 2: 4:46:23
7. 2-4 day 1: 4:18:58
8. 5-6 day 2: 4:11:59
9. 6-3 day 2: 4:07:37
10. 6-3 day 1: 4:06:13
11. 5-2 day 1: 3:47:08
12. 5-3 day 2: 3:44:23
13. 1-5 day 3: 3:37:24
14. 4-3 day 2: 3:35:41
15. 3-5 day 1: 3:33:19
16. 5-2 day 2: 3:26:32
17. 3-3 day 2: 3:19:52
18. 5-4 day 2: 3:17:29
19. 5-6 day 1: 3:09:20
20. 6-6 day 2: 3:09:15
21. 5-3 day 1: 3:06:01
22. 4-4 day 2: 3:03:37
23. 3-2 day 1: 3:01:35
24. 3-2 day 2: 3:01:21
25. 6-6 day 1: 2:54:52
26. 1-5 day 2: 2:44:33
27. 2-3 day 1: 2:41:06
28. 4-2 day 1: 2:37:01
29. 3-3 day 1: 2:28:39
30. 2-3 day 2: 2:25:27
31. 2-2 day 2: 2:25:06
32. 1-5 day 1: 2:24:46
33. 4-4 day 1: 2:24:40
34. 4-3 day 1: 2:22:52
35. 2-2 day 1: 2:22:34
36. 4-2 day 2: 2:21:34
37. 1-4 day 3: 1:46:53
38. 1-4 day 1: 1:39:08
39. 1-3 day 2: 1:35:43
40. 1-4 day 2: 1:33:51
41. 1-2 day 1: 1:23:48
42. 1-2 day 2: 1:16:52
43. 1-3 day 1: 1:13:33
44. 1-3 day 3: 1:00:19

Trial length in-game totals:

1-5: 16 hours, 30 minutes
2-4: 14 hours, 38 minutes
1-4: 14 hours, 15 minutes
3-5: 11 hours, 34 minutes
1-3: 11 hours, 3 minutes
2-3: 11 hours
4-2: 10 hours, 35 minutes
E2-2: >10 hours, 34 minutes
E1-5: >10 hours, 33 minutes
4-3: 10 hours, 24 minutes
3-2: 9 hours, 59 minutes
6-3: 9 hours, 23 minutes
3-3: 9 hours, 2 minutes
1-2: 8 hours, 48 minutes
2-2: 8 hours, 45 minutes
4-4: >7 hours, 50 minutes
5-2: 7 hours, 47 minutes
E2-4: >7 hours, 43 minutes
E2-5: >7 hours, 28 minutes
6-6: 7 hours, 24 minutes
E1-2: 7 hours, 6 minutes
E2-3: 6 hours, 51 minutes
4-1: 6 hours, 28 minutes
E1-3: >6 hours, 16 minutes
5-5: 6 hours, 1 minute
5-6: >5 hours, 43 minutes
3-1: 5 hours, 16 minutes
5-1: 4 hours, 51 minutes
1-1: 4 hours, 32 minutes
2-1: 4 hours, 16 minutes
3-4: >3 hours, 49 minutes
E1-1: 3 hours, 42 minutes
E1-4: 3 hours, 40 minutes
6-1: 3 hours, 36 minutes
4-0: >1 hour, 37 minutes
E2-1: 2 hours, 26 minutes
6-4: 2 hours, 5 minutes

Investigation days by length:

1. 6-5 day 2: 3:39:52
2. 6-2 day 1: 2:49:13
3. 3-5 day 2: 2:40:27
4. 6-5 day 1: 2:38:39
5. 6-3 day 1: 2:24:31
6. 2-4 day 2: 2:22:16
7. 2-4 day 1: 2:17:55
8. 4-4 day 2: 2:04:21
9. 5-5 day 1: 2:02:41
10. 3-2 day 1: 2:02:38
11. 3-5 day 1: 1:58:45
12. 5-2 day 1: 1:57:07
13. 6-6 day 1: 1:54:55
14. 5-4 day 1/day 2: 1:50:15
15. 5-6 day 2: 1:48:40
16. 6-3 day 2: 1:47:03
17. 5-6 day 1: 1:45:15
18. 3-3 day 2: 1:42:38
19. 3-2 day 2: 1:39:44
20. 5-2 day 2: 1:39:37
21. 5-3 day 1: 1:38:56
22. 5-3 day 2: 1:37:02
23. 2-3 day 1: 1:35:11
24. 4-3 day 2: 1:31:28
25. 4-2 day 1: 1:31:13
26. 3-3 day 1: 1:27:52
27. 2-2 day 1: 1:26:42
28. 1-5 day 2: 1:26:02
29. 1-5 day 3: 1:21:23
30. 4-3 day 1: 1:18:37
31. 2-3 day 2: 1:18:17
32. 4-2 day 2: 1:18:05
33. 2-2 day 2: 1:16:38
34. 4-4 day 1: 1:12:52
35. 6-6 day 2: 1:11:53
36. 1-5 day 1: 1:03:57
37. 1-4 day 2: 0:58:35
38. 1-3 day 2: 0:57:26
39. 1-4 day 1: 0:56:42
40. 1-2 day 1: 0:41:53
41. 1-4 day 3: 0:41:22
42. 1-3 day 1: 0:39:27
43. 1-2 day 2: 0:35:58
44. 1-3 day 3: 0:27:01
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Trial days by length:

1. L-4: 7:34:56
2. 6-5 day 2: 5:22:45
3. 5-5 day 1: 4:13:24
4. L-3: 4:08:41
5. 3-5 day 2: 3:22:00
6. 6-4: 3:21:23
7. L-2: 3:16:00
8. 6-2 day 1: 3:09:33
9. 6-1: 2:59:52
10. 2-4 day 2: 2:24:07
11. 5-6 day 2: 2:23:19
12. 6-5 day 1 2:22:33
13. 6-3 day 2: 2:20:34
14. 1-5 day 3: 2:16:01
15. 4-1: 2:11:44
16. 5-3 day 2: 2:07:21
17. 4-3 day 2: 2:04:13
18. 2-4 day 1: 2:01:03
19. 6-6 day 2: 1:57:22
20. 3-4: 1:54:15
21. 5-2 day 1: 1:50:01
22. 5-2 day 2: 1:46:55
23. 3-1: 1:43:09
24. 6-3 day 1: 1:41:42
25. L-1: 1:39:12
26. 3-3 day 2: 1:37:14
27. 3-5 day 1: 1:34:24
28. 5-4 day 2: 1:27:14
29. 5-3 day 1: 1:27:05
30. 5-6 day 1: 1:24:05
31. 3-2 day 2: 1:21:37
32. 1-5 day 1: 1:20:49
33. 1-5 day 2: 1:18:31
34. 5-1 day 2: 1:18:03
35. 2-1: 1:15:57
36. 4-4 day 1: 1:11:48
37. 5-4 day 1: 1:10:02
38. 4-0: 1:09:44
39. 2-2 day 2: 1:08:28
40. 2-3 day 2: 1:07:10
41. 2-3 day 1: 1:05:55
42. 4-2 day 1: 1:05:48
43. 1-4 day 3: 1:04:31
44. 4-3 day 1: 1:04:15
45. 4-2 day 2: 1:03:29
46. 5-1 day 1: 1:01:30
47. 3-3 day 1: 1:00:47
48. 6-6 day 1: 0:59:57
49. 4-4 day 2: 0:59:16
50. 3-2 day 1: 0:58:57
51. 2-2 day 1: 0:55:52
52. 1-4 day 1: 0:42:26
53. 1-2 day 1: 0:41:55
54. 1-2 day 2: 0:40:54
55. 1-3 day 2: 0:38:17
56. 1-4 day 2: 0:35:16
57. 1-3 day 1: 0:34:06
58. 1-1: 0:33:35
59. 1-3 day 3: 0:33:18

Ace Attorney Investigations segments by length:

1. E2-5 Beginning: 4:27:42
2. E1-5 Middle: 4:08:44
3. E2-2 End: 4:06:28
4. E2-3 End: 3:27:58
5. E2-5 Middle: 3:10:34
6. E1-5 End: 3:10:20
7. E2-3 Middle: 2:42:34
8. E2-4 End: 2:37:56
9. E2-2 Middle: 2:17:37
10. E2-3 Beginning: 1:58:34
11. E2-5 End: 1:57:50
12. E2-4 Middle: 1:51:47
13. E2-1 Beginning: 1:50:21
14. E2-1 End: 1:46:11
15. E1-4 Beginning: 1:40:09
16. E1-4 End: 1:39:44
17. E1-4 Middle: 1:38:33
18. E1-3 End: 1:32:58
19. E2-4 Beginning: 1:31:31
20. E1-3 Beginning: 1:23:35
21. E1-5 Beginning: 1:23:19
22. E1-2 Beginning: 1:21:00
23. E1-2 End: 1:07:01
24. E1-3 Middle: 1:06:43
25. E2-2 Beginning: 1:05:18
26. E1-1 Beginning: 0:53:00
27. E1-1 End: 0:51:51
28. E1-2 Middle: 0:47:48

Professor Layton vs. Ace Attorney segments by length:

1. Chapter 4: 4:08:41
2. Chapter 5: 3:18:04
3. Chapter 2: 3:16:00
4. Chapter 3: 3:07:21
5. Chapter 1: 2:58:31
6. Epilogue: 2:52:50
7. Prologue: 2:44:36
8. Chapter 8: 2:30:00
9. Chapter 9: 2:12:06
10. Chapter 6: 1:13:22
11. Chapter 7: 1:06:55
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Hey, I called the epilogue chapter being the longest.

L-4 really is just stupid long. It's so dragged out for what it is that it's just kind of incredible.

Gonna do some bonus stats since we're finally finished!

Approximate average length per case per case:

PW1 - 4:10 (with 1-5); 3:01 (without 1-5)
JFA - 5:01
T&T - 5:01
AJ - 4:55
AAI1 - 4:30
AAI2 - 6:55
DD - 5:45
SoJ - 6:40
PL/AA - 7:15 (including investigations); 4:10 (trials only)
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Total time spent playing as each character (not including Layton/AA):

Phoenix Wright - 80:35:29
Miles Edgeworth - 61:10:25
Apollo Justice - 43:55:20
Athena Cykes - 10:11:47
Mia Fey - 3:37:24
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Maya Fey - 0:02:46

Now that this endeavor is finally over, I'm not really sure what to do now. I guess we could let this topic die now, or I could start playing the Layton games again and keep track of it here. I've got a joint topic with Jeff Zero that I could use instead though. I dunno.
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Did you end up doing all of the optional puzzles in LvW?
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Paratroopa1 posted...

Maya Fey - 0:02:46

much longer if we count Layton/AA...!

but yeah I didn't bother counting time for that game because it's a little hard to keep track here since there are many instances where everyone is together during investigations and I didn't feel like trying to break it down into increments between four characters
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