Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 108: Trump 3:16 says I just trolled your ass

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Really fucking disturbing. The expert consensus is that North Korea's test launch indicates that they have the capability of striking the US (albeit only Alaska).
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So I've been without internet basically for the last 32 hours. What political things have i missed?
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FFDragon posted...

Apparently the guy who made the trump-cnn gif broke down and apologized, called trolling an addiction and that he was just trying to get lulz however he could.

http://archive.is/CAzzg

for what it's worth, the reason for the running theory that he shut up due to blackmail is because you had a CNN journo outright say they contacted him before the apology.

https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/882407128962650113
This apology came after CNN identified and reached out to HanAssholeSolo. Story and interview w/him posting soon

he also in a later tweet gets into how they doxed the guy but said they weren't revealing his identity. it also got into lawyer-ese here in this one:

https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/882418323673239553
"HanAssholeSolo" posted his apology before we *ever* spoke him. He called us afterwards to apologize further.

see, CNN didn't speak to him at that point.
they just had someone email him and wanted to speak to him.


...so yeah, they just had his dox, told people how to find his dox, and contacted him directly through that, but they weren't releasing the info, threatening him, and he just happened to give a massive apology as he then proceeded to delete everything.

edit:
oh yeah, they outright admit that they tried to contact him via email and phone. meaning they had his phone number already too.
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My understanding is that "dox" means "make personal information available to the public". Which would mean that if CNN didn't reveal his identity, they didn't dox him. Is that an improper use of the word?
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Yeap, that's not doxxing by any means. Doxxing is the publication of the information, discovering the information to begin with isn't an issue, that's largely on you.

Now if you've got CNN talking to his family or people that know him you can start making a case.



I'm honestly confused by Wang being on the doxxer crusade here what with actual doxxing being GG's and Milo's bread and butter!
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Wang only posts here to support GamerGater / 4chan / The_Donald / troll / ect. types. Like half his recent posts have been about Milo's book sales. He just has an affinity for those groups.
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In before poster of meme is like a 16 yr old kid.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Just read that the kid who made the gif is 15 years old.

Real fucking classy, CNN. His parents need to sue the living crap out of these people.

Source?

As far as I know, no information about the person has been released other than their username.
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...i made literally one post about milo's book sales because it literally just came out.
and i post here about a lot more than just that, so quit making shit up.

MalcolmMasher posted...

My understanding is that "dox" means "make personal information available to the public". Which would mean that if CNN didn't reveal his identity, they didn't dox him. Is that an improper use of the word?

mmm... the difference comes in the specific language there i think. lemme explain: it would be fair to say that CNN has his dox (the identifying information) but they aren't doxing him (publishing it). it gets weird if you want to say "CNN doxed him!" since like you said, they haven't published the data, though considering they did contact him through phone and email i think most would find that as scummy enough to count anyway, even if it's not a proper usage of the word.

GuessMyUserName posted...

I'm honestly confused by Wang being on the doxxer crusade here what with actual doxxing being GG's and Milo's bread and butter!

quite the opposite, most in GG didn't support doxing at all, it was banned on /v/, KIA, the three main 8chan GG boards, and the places that did that sort of thing (e.g., baph) either hated GG or liked it solely because it let them fly under the radar entirely as they shit on both sides. there were far more people in GG who got doxed than anyone on any opposing sides.
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Wanglicious posted...

FFDragon posted...

Apparently the guy who made the trump-cnn gif broke down and apologized, called trolling an addiction and that he was just trying to get lulz however he could.

http://archive.is/CAzzg

for what it's worth, the reason for the running theory that he shut up due to blackmail is because you had a CNN journo outright say they contacted him before the apology.

https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/882407128962650113
This apology came after CNN identified and reached out to HanAssholeSolo. Story and interview w/him posting soon

he also in a later tweet gets into how they doxed the guy but said they weren't revealing his identity. it also got into lawyer-ese here in this one:

https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/882418323673239553
"HanAssholeSolo" posted his apology before we *ever* spoke him. He called us afterwards to apologize further.

see, CNN didn't speak to him at that point.
they just had someone email him and wanted to speak to him.


...so yeah, they just had his dox, told people how to find his dox, and contacted him directly through that, but they weren't releasing the info, threatening him, and he just happened to give a massive apology as he then proceeded to delete everything.

edit:
oh yeah, they outright admit that they tried to contact him via email and phone. meaning they had his phone number already too.

So a news organization tried to contact someone involved in a story and people are going to go straight to bullying and blackmail? I guess the idea that the gif creator panicked after something he thought was just stupid fun became a huge deal is just too absurd.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

He *still* posts about gamergate stuff? Outside the vidcon controversy I thought that whole movement was done and over with.

only when it gets brought up by someone else like it did here. otherwise there ain't much to talk about usually. he just doesn't know what he's talking about and is completely wrong about what i post and how much i post.
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I think there's a big difference between contacting somebody a story is directly about and... Publicly sharing their information worldwide, so I wouldn't really consider the former to be "doxxing," no. >_>
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UltimaterializerX posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

Just read that the kid who made the gif is 15 years old.

Real fucking classy, CNN. His parents need to sue the living crap out of these people.

Source?

As far as I know, no information about the person has been released other than their username.

Twitter, which is why I said "just read" instead of stating this as a fact. He could be a grown adult for all I know.

So you know it isn't a fact and yet you use it to insult CNN anyway?

Real fucking classy, Ulti. CNN's parents need to sue the living crap out of you.
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wait so what is CNN extorting this person about? I don't even get the basis of this whole thing. He just made some dumb gif, what consequence does that have to extort someone with?
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Anyhoo, I think I agree with the camp that says it's more likely that it's just a case of an internet troll panicking once something exploded much bigger than he thought it would over instantly thinking blackmail. The blackmail/bullying thing doesn't really fit with him deleting all of his posts. That seems like more of a panic reaction.
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I think its hilarious this shit is even news at all. It is a fucking video gif meant to be funny and play on Trumps appearance in WWE lolol.

News is fucking pathetic anymore.
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StealThisSheen posted...

Anyhoo, I think I agree with the camp that says it's more likely that it's just a case of an internet troll panicking once something exploded much bigger than he thought it would over instantly thinking blackmail. The blackmail/bullying thing doesn't really fit with him deleting all of his posts. That seems like more of a panic reaction.

I dunno. The whole of his actions change we reserve the right to release his information sounds like a do what we want or we are releasing your shit.
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Yeah, contacting the subject of a story for comment is standard journalistic practice

If the guy freaked because of that contact it's not the reporter's fault (unless there were actually threats, which I see absolutely no reason to believe).
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lordloki12 posted...

So a news organization tried to contact someone involved in a story and people are going to go straight to bullying and blackmail?

well, bear in mind that there isn't really a reason to contact him.
he made a wrestling edit. plenty of those around. the story's not about the creator at all and there's plenty more that have been made ever since with Trump and CNN.

but the story reads as the news organization he edited getting beat proceeded to find who made the gif, dig into all his posts on reddit, identify who he was, get his phone number, his email, contacted him on both, and then he happens to make an apology post and deletes everything.

if they simply wanted to talk to him they could've stopped at just seeing who made the gif - reddit has a PM system. just use that. no need to get his name, number, and personal email. that's where they crossed the line and why plenty of people immediately jump to blackmail, it ain't just the donald there. the circumstances just make CNN look ridiculously petty.
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Corrik posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Anyhoo, I think I agree with the camp that says it's more likely that it's just a case of an internet troll panicking once something exploded much bigger than he thought it would over instantly thinking blackmail. The blackmail/bullying thing doesn't really fit with him deleting all of his posts. That seems like more of a panic reaction.

I dunno. The whole of his actions change we reserve the right to release his information sounds like a do what we want or we are releasing your shit.

What do they have to gain by making him delete his posts other than... Not being able to use his posts against him at a later time? That seems pretty foolish on CNN's part, for being extortion masterminds and all.
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Twitter is going wild on CNN. Almost every top post regarding this is talking shit on CNN. *shrug*
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StealThisSheen posted...

Corrik posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Anyhoo, I think I agree with the camp that says it's more likely that it's just a case of an internet troll panicking once something exploded much bigger than he thought it would over instantly thinking blackmail. The blackmail/bullying thing doesn't really fit with him deleting all of his posts. That seems like more of a panic reaction.

I dunno. The whole of his actions change we reserve the right to release his information sounds like a do what we want or we are releasing your shit.

What do they have to gain by making him delete his posts other than... Not being able to use his posts against him at a later time? That seems pretty foolish on CNN's part, for being extortion masterminds and all.

What are you talking about?

They literally threatened to release his identity if his actions change in their own press release. It is like clear as day.

I never said they said to delete posts. I said, they are threatening to release his information if his actions are not satisfactory to them personally.
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Corrik posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Anyhoo, I think I agree with the camp that says it's more likely that it's just a case of an internet troll panicking once something exploded much bigger than he thought it would over instantly thinking blackmail. The blackmail/bullying thing doesn't really fit with him deleting all of his posts. That seems like more of a panic reaction.

I dunno. The whole of his actions change we reserve the right to release his information sounds like a do what we want or we are releasing your shit.

Sounds more like if you do something else newsworthy we will cover it like every other news story to me. If he became the main propaganda wing of the Trump administration would we always have to refer to him as his reddit handle?
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do all these people on twitter get their scripts sent to them from a central source? The way all the top tweets I'm seeing use the phrase "private citizen" just seems so unnatural.
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I dunno, it all sounds pretty unlikely

If they did, in fact, threaten him, then CNN is absolutely in the wrong

I just don't see any reason to assume this to be true. Finding out his information is a thing you'd expect a news outlet to do if they were trying to look into him more, since you'd assume they'd look to see if his views on reddit were reflected on his Twitter, Facebook, etc. Contacting him is also something you'd expect a news outlet to do.

I'm not saying no threats occurred. Just that, at this time, I don't see anything outright saying they did.
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lordloki12 posted...

Corrik posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Anyhoo, I think I agree with the camp that says it's more likely that it's just a case of an internet troll panicking once something exploded much bigger than he thought it would over instantly thinking blackmail. The blackmail/bullying thing doesn't really fit with him deleting all of his posts. That seems like more of a panic reaction.

I dunno. The whole of his actions change we reserve the right to release his information sounds like a do what we want or we are releasing your shit.

Sounds more like if you do something else newsworthy we will cover it like every other news story to me. If he became the main propaganda wing of the Trump administration would we always have to refer to him as his reddit handle?

Lol only this board...
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Well except this guy, who actually defends people like CNN and Huffington Post no matter how scummy they are. Imagine being that blind by left/right thinking instead of actually forming your own opinion.

People? And I don't recall ever "defending" Huffington Post. Here I'm pointed out that the thing you're freaking out over is standard journalistic practice.

Corrik posted...

What are you talking about?

They literally threatened to release his identity if his actions change in their own press release. It is like clear as day.

I never said they said to delete posts. I said, they are threatening to release his information if his actions are not satisfactory to them personally.

That's not how I read it. They're explaining why they aren't identifying him in their story, but also are noting that they needn't bind themselves to that choice forever should the guy's identity become newsworthy.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

4chan says they found the guy's accounts on various sites. If they say he's 15, I believe them. Those people are kind of famous for this sort of thing!

I dunno. The wrestling thing feels like something a 15 year old might do, sure.

Making various posts suggesting CNN is full of Jews and making several anti-semitic memes/posts/etc. seems like something a 15 year old wouldn't have the attention span to commit to.
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StealThisSheen posted...

I think there's a big difference between contacting somebody a story is directly about and... Publicly sharing their information worldwide, so I wouldn't really consider the former to be "doxxing," no. >_>

yeah, there's a difference there.
really it's just the past tense usage that gets screwy.

dox by itself - just the info, simple.
doxing - releasing the info, also simple.
doxed - you might be referring to either one.

the grammar rules are not thought of too well here.

StealThisSheen posted...

The blackmail/bullying thing doesn't really fit with him deleting all of his posts.

bear in mind that the same CNN rep who contacted him ALSO said that the way they found him was through his reddit posts.

publicly, on twitter.
https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/882410764463681540
CNN discovered HanAssholeSolo's identity through bits of biographical data left on his Reddit.

the timeline checks too. straight from the article written:

On Monday, KFile attempted to contact the man by email and phone but he did not respond. On Tuesday, "HanA**holeSolo" posted his apology on the subreddit /The_Donald and deleted all of his other posts.

but one thing in the article is really fucked up:

CNN is not publishing "HanA**holeSolo's" name because he is a private citizen who has issued an extensive statement of apology, showed his remorse by saying he has taken down all his offending posts, and because he said he is not going to repeat this ugly behavior on social media again. In addition, he said his statement could serve as an example to others not to do the same.

CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change.

that bold right there, mixed with the paragraph directly above it, sound a lot like them saying "if you stop being a good boy we might publish it."

article here:
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/04/politics/kfile-reddit-user-trump-tweet/index.html

archive of first version in case any edits are made after:
https://archive.is/Aa8h6
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CNN is not publishing "HanA**holeSolo's" name because he is a private citizen who has issued an extensive statement of apology, showed his remorse by saying he has taken down all his offending posts, and because he said he is not going to repeat this ugly behavior on social media again. In addition, he said his statement could serve as an example to others not to do the same.
CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change.

We aren't publishing his info because h is doing what we want but if he does not in the future then we reserve the right to publish his shit.

Like that is blatant as fuck. Defending that is like lasa not knowing english levels of silly.
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"Reserve the right" does not mean "we absolutely will do this". And yes, of course they're going to seek out the original creator of the gif. Same as how the creator of anything on the web has their name sought out. That really is standard. The issue is the statement, which reads as blackmail only if you choose that interpretation.

That said, they could do without even the possibility of that interpretation so it's pretty bad wording
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StealThisSheen posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

4chan says they found the guy's accounts on various sites. If they say he's 15, I believe them. Those people are kind of famous for this sort of thing!

I dunno. The wrestling thing feels like something a 15 year old might do, sure.

Making various posts suggesting CNN is full of Jews and making several anti-semitic memes/posts/etc. seems like something a 15 year old wouldn't have the attention span to commit to.

Jeff Tutorials, a different dumb teen who Trump retweeted, has the attention span to make like a dozen replies to every Trump tweet. Gif kid could totally have the attention span to make a bunch of anti-Semitic posts. Teens have time.
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XIII_rocks posted...

"Reserve the right" does not mean "we absolutely will do this". And yes, of course they're going to seek out the original creator of the gif. Same as how the creator of anything on the web has their name sought out. That really is standard. The issue is the statement, which reads as blackmail only if you choose that interpretation.

Please show me all the other gif and meme creators that pertained to trump and them that they sought out.

Sounds really standard my ass.
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Wanglicious posted...

lordloki12 posted...

So a news organization tried to contact someone involved in a story and people are going to go straight to bullying and blackmail?

well, bear in mind that there isn't really a reason to contact him.
he made a wrestling edit. plenty of those around. the story's not about the creator at all and there's plenty more that have been made ever since with Trump and CNN.

but the story reads as the news organization he edited getting beat proceeded to find who made the gif, dig into all his posts on reddit, identify who he was, get his phone number, his email, contacted him on both, and then he happens to make an apology post and deletes everything.

if they simply wanted to talk to him they could've stopped at just seeing who made the gif - reddit has a PM system. just use that. no need to get his name, number, and personal email. that's where they crossed the line and why plenty of people immediately jump to blackmail, it ain't just the donald there. the circumstances just make CNN look ridiculously petty.

It doesnt matter how many more have been created since then because the president didnt use those to attack a news organization he doesnt like. Trump using it made it the center of attention and people are going to dig into every angle they can to get more details for their story. So yes there is a reason to contact him and the phone or email are better suited for that than a pm on reddit. It is amazing that contacting someone to try and get their side of the story is now somehow bullying, blackmail, or extortion.
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Re post 295: Since he's replying to me, do I at least get some say in how that's handled? Please don't take the obvious bait or feel the compulsive need to address the blatantly obvious counter here.
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It is amazing that contacting someone to try and get their side of the story is now somehow bullying, blackmail, or extortion.

I think the issue here is more the statement by CNN with that "reserve the right" thing. I actually do see what the problem is there even if I disagree.

Seeking out this guy's name is absolutely normal though. I'm sure other outlets did the same, unless you think CNN shouldn't have gotten involved because they were part of the story, which I don't buy.
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lordloki12 posted...

Wanglicious posted...

lordloki12 posted...

So a news organization tried to contact someone involved in a story and people are going to go straight to bullying and blackmail?

well, bear in mind that there isn't really a reason to contact him.
he made a wrestling edit. plenty of those around. the story's not about the creator at all and there's plenty more that have been made ever since with Trump and CNN.

but the story reads as the news organization he edited getting beat proceeded to find who made the gif, dig into all his posts on reddit, identify who he was, get his phone number, his email, contacted him on both, and then he happens to make an apology post and deletes everything.

if they simply wanted to talk to him they could've stopped at just seeing who made the gif - reddit has a PM system. just use that. no need to get his name, number, and personal email. that's where they crossed the line and why plenty of people immediately jump to blackmail, it ain't just the donald there. the circumstances just make CNN look ridiculously petty.

It doesnt matter how many more have been created since then because the president didnt use those to attack a news organization he doesnt like. Trump using it made it the center of attention and people are going to dig into every angle they can to get more details for their story. So yes there is a reason to contact him and the phone or email are better suited for that than a pm on reddit. It is amazing that contacting someone to try and get their side of the story is now somehow bullying, blackmail, or extortion.

It is amazing saying you won't release their public information cuz they are doing what you want but you may do so if that should change is being defended by anyone. But, surprise surprise... the literal left is defending the literal left news agency. The twitter world is going nuts over it on both sides. But not our resident ultra liberals. Its just so blatant that its hard to take you serious.


If it is a kid, I would expect a lawsuit from a smart family. CNN just comes off so badly here.
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From CNN's own article (can't link to it because GameFAQs' ToU is idiotic):

what rule am I breaking by doing this ?
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/04/politics/kfile-reddit-user-trump-tweet/index.html
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