Board 8 > ~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 3 - I am not going to battle to win

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What town tell of mine did I exhibit to make you unvote me?
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Sceptilesolar posted...

I don't know why dowolf is finding that unusual. I just want Oddity to provide a more concrete alternative to himself.

It's intellectually lazy at best, and deliberately negligent at worst.
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pezloco posted...

Here I never understood how being wrong about how many times he lost to Chris is bad?

three and one are a bit different

pezloco posted...

But we all act a bit differently every time.

seems a bit extreme to write off as that though

The other two points don't bug me that much, so "okay"
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dowolf posted...

Sceptilesolar posted...

I don't know why dowolf is finding that unusual. I just want Oddity to provide a more concrete alternative to himself.

It's intellectually lazy at best, and deliberately negligent at worst.

I don't think it's either.

Also, I hope Chris is getting somewhere with this questioning.
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The comedy option here is that Chris and Oddity are both scum
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pezloco posted...

I didn't find the evidence damning at all.

well I do! good talk
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You're too curious about me. You're like.. still trying to figure me out. Initially you were very dismissive of my arguments and so i kind of though 'hey, maybe this is scum chris.' But you're still asking questions and trying to figure me out.
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Honestly I think I confused dowolf with somebody else when I saw him on the player list because I swore he was somebody who joked around a lot and didn't really take the game all that seriously.
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If you could kill any player in the game in this moment which would it be and why?
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masterplum posted...

The comedy option here is that Chris and Oddity are both scum

this ALSO bears keeping in mind!
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I will say that telling people not to contribute to the topic is unusually anti-town behavior for a Town Chris. I remember him having lambasted people for saying such things.

Need to think about this one for a minute.
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I for one eagerly await the upcoming b8 special when chris tells us oddity is fine and we should all pile on like VI or something
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

I will say that telling people not to contribute to the topic is unusually anti-town behavior for a Town Chris. I remember him having lambasted people for saying such things.

I put Oddity off limits for 30 minutes, it's all going to be okay.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

I for one eagerly await the upcoming b8 special when chris tells us oddity is fine and we should all pile on like VI or something

Nah, it'll be someone unexpected, like plum.
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I didn't say it's not going to be okay.

Votals as of post #214 (Chris)

[5] Oddity - KBM, Sceptile, Death, Chris, Phoenix, (Scare)
[2] Scare - (Chris), (Oddity), Plum, (Dowolf), VeryInsane
[2] Lolo - (Tombolo), Tombolo, Scare
[1] Sceptile - (Oddity), Lolo, (Oddity), (Oddity), (Oddity), (Dowolf)
[1] Red - SBell
[1] Death - pezloco
[1] Plum - (Scare), Dowolf
[0] Chris - (Scare), (Oddity)
[0] Phoenix - (Dowolf), (Oddity)
[0] pezloco - (Chris), (Plum), (SBell), (Tombolo)
[0] Dowolf - (Sceptile), (Tombolo)
[0] No Lynch - (Tombolo), (pezloco)
[0] VeryInsane - (Phoenix)

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day ends at 9:00:00 PM Eastern TONIGHT (About 29 minutes)
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that's twice in a row he's responded condescendingly >_>

chris and pez are both tough nuts for me because they both have behaviors for which I would drill anybody else but they exhibit them as both town and scum
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Sceptilesolar posted...

dowolf posted...

Sceptilesolar posted...

I don't know why dowolf is finding that unusual. I just want Oddity to provide a more concrete alternative to himself.

It's intellectually lazy at best, and deliberately negligent at worst.

I don't think it's either.

Also, I hope Chris is getting somewhere with this questioning.

Oddity flips town, you go "Well what choice did I have? Oddity didn't give me anyone to kill in his stead."

You're shifting responsibility from yourself onto the person you are trying to kill. I do not like it.
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

I will say that telling people not to contribute to the topic is unusually anti-town behavior for a Town Chris. I remember him having lambasted people for saying such things.

he said that he didn't want people bugging oddity during this time

there's still what, 12 people to discuss with?
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Phoenix-Smasher posted...

Honestly I think I confused dowolf with somebody else when I saw him on the player list because I swore he was somebody who joked around a lot and didn't really take the game all that seriously.

One can joke around a lot and still take the game seriously.

Personally? Would not have it any other way.
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speaking of pushing alternate targets, hey pez who should we lynch here if not oddity
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dowolf posted...

Sceptilesolar posted...

dowolf posted...

Sceptilesolar posted...

I don't know why dowolf is finding that unusual. I just want Oddity to provide a more concrete alternative to himself.

It's intellectually lazy at best, and deliberately negligent at worst.

I don't think it's either.

Also, I hope Chris is getting somewhere with this questioning.

Oddity flips town, you go "Well what choice did I have? Oddity didn't give me anyone to kill in his stead."

You're shifting responsibility from yourself onto the person you are trying to kill. I do not like it.

That didn't cross my mind even for a second. I'm not really in the habit of blaming my mislynches on the lynchee. I just want something to work with.
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dowolf posted...

One can joke around a lot and still take the game seriously.

this guy gets it
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Lolo, how do you feel about the people on Oddity at the moment?
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Lolo_Guru posted...

Vengeful_KBM posted...

I will say that telling people not to contribute to the topic is unusually anti-town behavior for a Town Chris. I remember him having lambasted people for saying such things.

he said that he didn't want people bugging oddity during this time

there's still what, 12 people to discuss with?

A wild Lolo appeared
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Oddity you've had five minutes.
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It's a toss up between KBM and Death. Probably Death.

KBM has just been spectacularly useless this game and I'd shoot him because he's been deadwood and lurky (unless I missed some substantial posts) meaning if he's scum he needs to go, but if he's town, we're not losing much.

Death because I think he capitalized on my weakness at a prime time and for some reason i feel like killing him would give town the most information.
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Ninja'd by 7 seconds.
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Sceptilesolar posted...

I'm not really in the habit of blaming my mislynches on the lynchee.

And yet that is what you are doing.

Actions speak louder than words, my dear Secptile...
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who's ready for a dayviggin'
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Lolo_Guru posted...

Vengeful_KBM posted...

I will say that telling people not to contribute to the topic is unusually anti-town behavior for a Town Chris. I remember him having lambasted people for saying such things.

he said that he didn't want people bugging oddity during this time

there's still what, 12 people to discuss with?

Even Chris called Oddity "the central conflict" right now. There's less than half an hour left. It doesn't do any good to bring up random things unless we actually want to B8 special someone, which I don't.

Sceptilesolar posted...

I don't know why dowolf is finding that unusual. I just want Oddity to provide a more concrete alternative to himself.

Just because a townie can't a adequately defend himself doesn't mean we should give up. But I think at worst the whole Oddity thing is a nulltell.
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Remember that game where I was Town lawyer and switched he lynch from me to scum

That was kind of awesome.
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Okay so here is Oddity's list he posted and my notes based off what he said.

Town

VI – Top of the list but questionable? That doesn't make sense. When this list was requested it was asked to be done in order, but his answer doesn't reflect this.
Pez – Second to top but conflicted? Same with VI, when put on the spot this doesn't make a lot of sense.
Tom – Believes room mate powers works one way and uses that to elevate tom to a town list.
Sbell – Thought Sbell made astute observations on a town read of his being scum, thought he had style.



Of note Oddity has 4 town reads, and 3 of them are severely hedged here. VI at the top of this list but he questions it, Pez he has gone back and forth on a lot but despite only having a vague sense of why he likes him (because 'he is right') he decides to put Tom in this small list almost entirely due to pez based on 'roommate powers' and a vague sense that pez is town.

Scare - “thinks” he has a town read on Scare, as if he is drawing from a memory of a statement made and not a genuine feeling.
dowolf - “I thought I put him on my town list” instead of saying “I think he is town”, there's a degree of separation between having a read and making a list of reads and I think that shows in this case with his answer to this one.

Both of these next two he uses muddied language on his reads of them. Thinks he has a town read and he thinks he puts them on a town list. He has expressed almost no real conviction that anyone at all is town of this list.

????
plum – Would shoot Plum, but barely, despite having Scare in an entire different tier on this list. Seems to be hedging.
Red
Lolo

Scumish
Death – repeated the phrase 'capitalized on my weakness' like a mantra, I tend to think that's a trait of someone repeating memorized lines rather than being genuine.
Phoenix
KBM – Lists as vig suspect.

Scummy
Scep – Bottom on his totem pole but not up for a vigging by Oddity, shows lack of integrity when making this list (logical integrity, not like the merit)
Chris – At the time of his unvote I don't think I was curious about him at all.

If Oddity is scum based off these answers (and not anyone's play) I think Sbell is scum because I don't feel like a scum Oddity wants to say town are town and Sbell was the only person he was firm about being town, I think Scare is also one of his scum buddies due to the phrasinf of 'I think I have a town read on Scare' and I think Phoenix is the last scum because he never mentioned him once throughout this entire process, subtly avoiding him.

Oddity/Sbell/Phoenix/Scare based solely on Oddity reads if he is scum. Also Red is the first alternate on this list for Phoenix reasons.

Also he literally forgot Lolo while making this, if Oddity is scum Lolo is super confirmed town.

I am comfortable with an Oddity lynch based off of this questioning. You lot may continue now.
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pezloco posted...

Sceptilesolar posted...

I don't know why dowolf is finding that unusual. I just want Oddity to provide a more concrete alternative to himself.

Just because a townie can't a adequately defend himself doesn't mean we should give up. But I think at worst the whole Oddity thing is a nulltell.

Do you still want to lynch Death, Pez?
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Oddity posted...

KBM has just been spectacularly useless this game and [I'm not going to quote the rest of this]

Are you just skipping over the times when I'm around? You literally told me that you didn't want to hear anything else from me. Stop being a dick.

dowolf posted...

Sceptilesolar posted...

I'm not really in the habit of blaming my mislynches on the lynchee.

And yet that is what you are doing.

Actions speak louder than words, my dear Secptile...

Dowolf, I have to say that you seem pretty confident Oddity is going to flip town yourself. You're saying right here that it's going to be a mislynch.
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Fair enough. I said my piece.
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

It doesn't do any good to bring up random things unless we actually want to B8 special someone,

I feel like it's useful info to have going forward if Oddity flips town, and possibly even if he flips scum.
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Need to read my son a book

##unvote
##vote:oddity

In case I don't get back and we have shenanigans
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23 minutes, plenty of time to discuss now. I wanted my one on one chess match with Oddity and I got it.
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Chris, I think you would agree that scum tend to have more logical coherence to their arguments because they're conscious about it. What, then, makes you think that Oddity's lack of perfect coherence makes him scum?
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dowolf posted...

Chris, I think you would agree that scum tend to have more logical coherence to their arguments because they're conscious about it. What, then, makes you think that Oddity's lack of perfect coherence makes him scum?

Not a lack of perfect, a lack of any. I think Oddity has legitimately been very busy today and is rushed into making reads he doesn't feel comfortable making.
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(also Oddity please stop calling me "he")

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Tom in this small list almost entirely due to pez based on 'roommate powers' and a vague sense that pez is town.

TO BE FAIR I feel like that's valid- pez reads me even better than I do him. ....But has Oddity played enough with us to know that? I don't remember his being a big AIMfia guy.
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Sceptilesolar posted...

Dowolf, I have to say that you seem pretty confident Oddity is going to flip town yourself. You're saying right here that it's going to be a mislynch.

Don't turn this around, Sceptile. "A good defense is a good offense" only works if I let you go on the offensive.
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Classical Music Mafia made it pretty clear, tom.
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

(also Oddity please stop calling me "he")

Maybe he thinks you are Hedwig?
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wasn't I the host of classical music
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