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scarletspeed7 09/01/17 4:05:37 PM #251: |
That's... I'm wondering how that happened.
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Jakyl25 09/01/17 4:14:03 PM #252: |
Because it was on TV instead of PPV this year
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scarletspeed7 09/01/17 4:15:00 PM #253: |
Yeah, but when did AAA develop that kind of audience, even on free TV?
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XIII_rocks 09/01/17 4:15:04 PM #254: |
Holy fuck
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Jakyl25 09/01/17 4:17:18 PM #255: |
scarletspeed7 posted...
Yeah, but when did AAA develop that kind of audience, even on free TV? It's not the whole show, it's specifically that match, which they waited until right after Mayweather vs McGregor was over to put it on hoping boxing fans would flip over to see the legendary Lucha match. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scarletspeed7 09/01/17 4:18:16 PM #256: |
Ah, that makes sense.
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ScareChan 09/01/17 5:00:06 PM #257: |
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Hardcore_Adult 09/01/17 5:04:08 PM #258: |
The last time WWE was involved with NBC was the shortlived SNME Revival.
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CybrMonkey 09/01/17 5:15:32 PM #259: |
I think Tribute to the Troops was still airing on NBC until a few years ago. Still, WWE isn't going to care about the AAA rating since the only part of the show that got any mainstream pub outside of Mexico was the Sexy Star thing.
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Jakyl25 09/01/17 5:24:53 PM #260: |
WWE would have to do Rock vs Lesnar on NBC to chase that with the current roster
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voltch 09/01/17 5:25:02 PM #261: |
Worth pointing out that even with a 22 rating the card was a partial flop.
Gate was 600k, they aimed for 1m and dr wagner took nearly half the gate to drop his mask. --- Congrats to Eli Ayase's #1 fan BK_Sheikah00 on winning the BYIG Guru Contest. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hardcore_Adult 09/01/17 5:25:35 PM #262: |
Jakyl25 posted...
WWE would have to do Rock vs Lesnar on NBC to chase that with the current roster Heyman: And Lesnar DON'T FIGHT FOR FREE! --- I'll get back up for good this time and I ain't comin' down... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 09/01/17 5:26:53 PM #263: |
Keep in mind more people watched this match than any match or segment of the Attitude Era
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voltch 09/01/17 5:31:17 PM #264: |
Also, Psycho Clown doesn't have that much name value in Mexico. They push him hard, but he's not someone people buy tickets to see live.
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Jakyl25 09/01/17 6:05:41 PM #265: |
Oh and the 4 MYC episodes are the top 4 viewed on-demand shows of the last week
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ScareChan 09/01/17 6:08:50 PM #266: |
I just finished up the rest of round 1. Got to be honest its been pretty underwhelming overall.
I will say that I think the Bell air chick is interesting. Hair as a whip and I like her name.I feel like they just didnt do as good of a job as the CWC did as far as making me invested in the characters being built I feel like its almost equal parts in ring and commentary. JR feels like he lost a step and Lita is not very helpful. Maruo and Bryan were much better --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 09/01/17 7:13:09 PM #267: |
I'm sure someone else has figured this out already but I've just worked it out.
I've been wondering why WWE's "worked shoots" work and why Russo's worked shoots rarely ever did WWE worked shoots, rare as they are, touch on a lot of commonly held smarkiest smark beliefs. It felt like Punk was speaking FOR the fans. Bryan was a conduit FOR the fans. It felt like Cena this week was speaking FOR the fans. Even though most of it is bullshit, it comes across like what frustrated fans WANT to believe about the company. Russo worked shoots had nothing to do with fans. Dirtsheets say Bagwell is unhappy? Bagwell acts "uncooperative" in his match. Dirtsheets say Hogan won't job to Jarrett? Russo comes on and rants out creative control clauses. The fans are a third party to this stuff. They don't care about Goldberg's real life contract negotiations going south. They just care that the wrong people are being pushed. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CybrMonkey 09/01/17 7:39:24 PM #268: |
It also helps when you do it once a year instead of once a week
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Jakyl25 09/01/17 8:04:59 PM #269: |
That much is obvious
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Jakyl25 09/01/17 8:06:58 PM #270: |
It's kind of funny because "how does a 'shoot' promo hype you up for a worked fight?" SEEMS like a logical question, but it works.
Better than Russo selling Goldberg vs Steiner as a "real fight with no script" and then having it be totally worked Which is so ironic because he looped himself back around to what wrestling is supposed to be anyway. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 09/01/17 8:36:48 PM #271: |
JBL has stepped down as SD announcer
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scarletspeed7 09/01/17 8:49:19 PM #272: |
Today was a good day.
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scarletspeed7 09/02/17 11:45:20 AM #273: |
I hereby challenge APWT to a Sporcle Quiz:
https://www.sporcle.com/games/scarletspeed7/pwi-top-500-wrestlers-of-2017 I got 187/300 and embarassingly missed a major tag team. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 09/02/17 4:35:09 PM #274: |
https://twitter.com/ricflairnatrboy/status/904045165584818176
WOOOOOOOO!! --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scarletspeed7 09/02/17 4:37:35 PM #275: |
Awesome news
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Strife2 09/02/17 5:21:55 PM #276: |
Not dead yet motherfuckers
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Jakyl25 09/02/17 5:29:54 PM #277: |
Still gonna have to have a pacemaker put in though. Not an automatic to make it through that operation but great that he's over the hill of immediate danger
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ScareChan 09/02/17 5:37:02 PM #278: |
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Hardcore_Adult 09/02/17 5:41:44 PM #279: |
Strife2 posted...
Not dead yet motherfuckers Peh, Betty White does it better. Grim Reaper's got her on a restraining order! --- I'll get back up for good this time and I ain't comin' down... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mega Mana 09/02/17 9:16:20 PM #280: |
Jakyl25 posted...
http://www.profightdb.com/pwi-500/2014.html Yes, Keith Lee made top 100!!! Boo, no David Starr. --- "In my headcanon, some staffer saw Trump pull out his phone and start typing so they just Terry Tate Office Linebacker'd him out of his shoes." - FFD ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 09/03/17 10:23:06 AM #281: |
https://twitter.com/highspotswn/status/904167720580550657
Dave again looking JACKED at BOLA this year --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 09/03/17 12:42:56 PM #282: |
Last night's WOR, Dave has like a two minute debate with himself as to whether Miyahara vs Ishikawa from Sumo Hall or Bate vs Dunne from Takeover is the best non-NJPW match of the year.
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voltch 09/03/17 2:08:38 PM #283: |
Dave clearly wants to fall in love with AJPW again.
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Jakyl25 09/03/17 6:32:49 PM #284: |
Dave also laid it out that Ricochet is a free agent at the turn of the year.
Everyone else in LU will also be free agents at that point if the show is not renewed for Season 4 --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 09/03/17 6:39:17 PM #285: |
People also seem hyped about his scoop of Cobb/Riddle teaming in the NJPW World Tag League this December
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ScareChan 09/03/17 9:39:34 PM #286: |
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XIII_rocks 09/03/17 11:44:49 PM #287: |
https://twitter.com/LanceStorm/status/904548385251667968
What do you think of this tweet I don't really agree. I mean I get what he means and yeah sometimes you will have to adjust but it should be on the performers and writers to elicit the crowd reactions they want. Saying "we're now going to change the story and probably make it weaker than what we originally planned" comes off to me as a defeatist strategy. Know the crowd. Know your story. Be thorough in your decision-making and writing. And don't chicken out because the crowd seemed not to like one particular story beat. You can point to Bryan at WM30 or the decision to have Rollins cash in as examples of plans being changed for the better, to which I'd say if WWE knew the crowd and their audience, the plans would never have needed to be changed in the first place. --- Such a lust for revenge ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 09/03/17 11:46:45 PM #288: |
And yeah, I know, who am I to question a pro, I've never spent a day in dis bizness, etc etc. But still.
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Lopen 09/03/17 11:57:36 PM #289: |
You're probably about as qualified to book as Lance Storm is and I agree with you
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voltch 09/04/17 1:11:13 AM #290: |
There is value in knowing when to fold em.
Hi there master of step a, b, c and d, Gedo. He had to do a lot of altering because of the crowd. --- Congrats to Eli Ayase's #1 fan BK_Sheikah00 on winning the BYIG Guru Contest. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NBIceman 09/04/17 1:20:35 AM #291: |
As with everything else in wrestling, I think you have to take that kind of thing on a case-by-case basis.
You probably shouldn't change course on a storyline at the first sign of fan discontent if you're confident in your ability to pay it off in the future, but there's also no reason to stubbornly persist in going in a direction that is clearly not working. Eventually you've just gotta mercy kill it for your own sake. I agree that there's no reason for companies to ever be so out of touch that that's necessary, but that's probably not realistic. Every company out there has had some swings and misses. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GTM 09/04/17 1:23:35 AM #292: |
XIII_rocks posted...
to which I'd say if WWE knew the crowd and their audience, the plans would never have needed to be changed in the first place. this, but there's no shame in adjusting on the fly if it looks like you've made a mistake on who you've backed also it may just be hard to plan out A B C and D, but it may be good to plan out A and B, have the overall plot of A to D, and have vague but malleable C and D. --- BK_Sheikah00 beated me in some contest Boko United - survivor and dillos and nintendo and caelus and wrestling and uca ... Copied to Clipboard!
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voltch 09/04/17 1:31:57 AM #293: |
With WWE id actually give them the benefit of the doubt.
When you are that big, your crowd's opinion isnt uniform. NXT looks hot catering to a smaller audience, if it had the same viewership as raw they would have to make a lot of adjustments. --- Congrats to Eli Ayase's #1 fan BK_Sheikah00 on winning the BYIG Guru Contest. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 09/04/17 6:26:54 AM #294: |
Just a reminder that the notion of telling long term "stories" in wrestling beyond the current angle is fairly new in the grand scheme of things.
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Jakyl25 09/04/17 6:40:08 AM #295: |
Watching the MYC in advance of the next 4 eps coming out today.
Just got to Candice's match. It's kind of hilarious in the video package how they talk about whether her husband got her the opportunity. I take a step back and sort of marvel at the idea that Johnny Gargano has that level of influence in WWE. We live in crazy times. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 09/04/17 8:05:12 AM #296: |
"Why is Jinder Mahal WWE Champion?"
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XIII_rocks 09/04/17 8:23:56 AM #297: |
NBIceman posted...
As with everything else in wrestling, I think you have to take that kind of thing on a case-by-case basis. I agree - it will have to happen on occasion. I just take issue with the idea that "proper booking" doesn't involve real long-term planning and is always changing. --- Such a lust for revenge ... Copied to Clipboard!
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voltch 09/04/17 8:45:42 AM #298: |
Jakyl25 posted...
"Why is Jinder Mahal WWE Champion?" THE BIG DAWG bruh --- Congrats to Eli Ayase's #1 fan BK_Sheikah00 on winning the BYIG Guru Contest. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 09/04/17 3:03:14 PM #299: |
Wow, they're really going for it with the WWE Four Horsewomen vs MMA Four Horsewomen match, if the setup in the MYC is any indication.
Survivor Series? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PrivateBiscuit1 09/04/17 3:14:03 PM #300: |
Oh hey, Corey Graves is taking JBL's spot on Smackdown and will be on both shows.
Nigel will be on 205 Live. This is probably the best solution. --- Check out my entertainment blog!: www.heroicbiz.com I discuss video games, comics, movies, and TV! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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