Poll of the Day > Applying for jobs online doesn't work

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Kislevic
10/21/17 6:21:11 AM
#1:


He's a typical shitty min wage job as seen in the early 2000s

>See a sign on the door of a store "HELP WANTED: Overnight stocker. Please call to set up interview"
>Call number
>Get in person interview appointment for the following monday

Here's the same shitty min wage job as seen in the 2010s:

>Walk into store, see a notice that says "For job openings, please visit our corporate website"
>Go home to get on computer and visit cooperate website
>Hunt for hidden "careers" link on very bottom of webpage
>Create new account by filling out more personal info than most car loans require
>Click "find openings"
>Filter by zipcode
>Find Job Opening for "Overnight Stocker"
>Click to read description
>Click "Apply Now" button
>Block off 3 hours to take 180 question psychological test originally developed by Stamford University grad students as a way to determine if serial killers can be rehabilitated back into society
>Click "submit"
>Accept permission for company to run a credit check and have your social security number
>Upload a resume that contains information that was required when you created the account in the first place
>Click "finished"
>10 weeks later get an e-mail that says "Thank for your interest in Job Opening #24601. We had many great candidates and even though yours was great we decided to move on. THIS IS AN AUTOMATED E-MAIL. DO NOT REPLY"
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FatalAccident
10/21/17 7:09:34 AM
#2:


lol im not reading all that shit bucko
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RCtheWSBC
10/21/17 7:29:13 AM
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FatalAccident posted...
lol im not reading all that shit bucko

Had this same reaction
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Mead
10/21/17 7:44:48 AM
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And yet other people seem to be getting those jobs. . .
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Kislevic
10/21/17 8:20:28 AM
#5:


Connections is the only way to get jobs
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OneTimeBen
10/21/17 8:27:09 AM
#6:


Imagine that. Doing something in person is more effective.
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MannerSaurus
10/21/17 8:37:32 AM
#7:


If you really need a job, apply for a seasonal worker in logistics (or anywhere) at Target. You have to apply online, but also talk to the Team Lead or HR at least once in person. It isn't a dream job, and it doesn't pay much at entry level, but I 99.99% guarantee they will hire you. October-January is when they hire like 40 new people per store for season positions, and just during the interview you say you want to stay on as a full worker after season is over. Some of our best workers were seasonals, even our ETL started as a seasonal, and they make salary. (ETL is the Team Lead's boss.) Again, not a dream job, but it IS a job, and applying around season is almost a shoe in.

If you don't need a job and you were just making an observation about life... disregard everything I just said.
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OneTimeBen
10/21/17 8:39:32 AM
#8:


Damn if seasonal work for Target is an option. Look at some schooling. Be a gunsmith. If young enough mechanical engineering.
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Rockies
10/21/17 1:49:36 PM
#9:


It's pretty annoying how even non-degree jobs are becoming like this, but I still see some where you can just go in and talk to somebody. And a lot of them have open hiring events. There's also the kiosks in store, though I'm not sure those are any different than the normal online app, and if anything are probably just harder to use than your own computer.

As somebody who's looking for jobs in tech, it's even worse there. I'm not sure there was ever a time in recent memory where you could apply anywhere but online (assuming you didn't already have a contact at the company). It's not like you can just walk into a tech company and talk to somebody about working there and have the conversation get anywhere, which you could probably do at a lot of retail jobs even if you'll still end up having to apply online.

Applying online does work sometimes, but it's a very low success rate. It could work with a few changes. Let's get rid of these multi-step application forms where you have to fill out stuff that is already in your resume. Instead make it one page: Basic contact info, EEO information and a resume/other attachments section. These companies also need to stop leaving up postings for jobs that have long since been filled/never existed in the first place. I know some of that is done so they can meet labor/EEO hiring laws, but I bet a lot of it is just garbage left from laziness.
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Mead
10/21/17 2:12:18 PM
#10:


Seasonal target is not a bad idea I did that back in 2004

As long as you aren't a total nincompoop you have a good chance of them offering you a regular position at the end of the season
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DirtBasedSoap
10/21/17 2:14:50 PM
#11:


yeah I havent applied for a job online since I was in high school but any place that made me do an hour long psychology test was a no for me.
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OhhhJa
10/21/17 2:17:04 PM
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It does work. But only for 1 out of 10,000 who applied. You're basically competing with a zillion other people for shitty jobs so your odds are pretty bad. Connections or having a really sought after skill are where it's at
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Smarkil
10/21/17 2:34:37 PM
#13:


Kislevic posted...
Connections is the only way to get jobs


Yeah you really gotta be a part of the 'in' crew to get a job pushing carts at Walmart.
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Rockies
10/21/17 2:42:45 PM
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DirtBasedSoap posted...
any place that made me do [a] psychology test was a no for me.


I'm starting to feel this way too. How are you even supposed to "pass" them? I've seen every possible advice on the spectrum at some point:

- Only answer "strongly" agree/disagree
- Only answer neutrally
- Just answer honestly
- Answer whatever looks morally "right"
- Answer the way any reasonable person would, even if looks morally wrong
- Make sure your answers don't contradict (though the "contradictory" questions are almost always misleading due to subtleties in how they're asked)

I think the best answer is this: Tell the company (in your head) to go fuck themselves. Or just answer what the fuck ever because it's just going to be a crapshoot at some point or other in the hiring process.
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mooreandrew58
10/21/17 3:05:25 PM
#15:


ate at this Italian restaurant yesterday. saw someone apply for a job there, their application process was literally write your name number and desired position on the back of a receipt. wish all applications where that simple lol
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Jen0125
10/21/17 3:58:34 PM
#17:


Smarkil posted...
Kislevic posted...
Connections is the only way to get jobs


Yeah you really gotta be a part of the 'in' crew to get a job pushing carts at Walmart.


Lmao right?

Sorry you suck at those personality tests, tc, but that doesn't mean it's impossible to get a job.
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thedeerzord
10/21/17 4:08:06 PM
#18:


I'm having the same frustrations in regards to applying online, only its mostly about me being unable to make accounts so that I may apply.
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Jen0125
10/21/17 4:10:11 PM
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thedeerzord posted...
being unable to make accounts so that I may apply


?
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Rasmoh
10/21/17 4:10:21 PM
#20:


Kislevic posted...
Connections is the only way to get jobs


Literally got my current job that I applied online for with no connections.
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mooreandrew58
10/21/17 4:11:24 PM
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thedeerzord posted...
I'm having the same frustrations in regards to applying online, only its mostly about me being unable to make accounts so that I may apply.


I hate the account thing, why do I need an account to apply for a job, since if I get the job chances are i'm not logging back into it ever unless its tied to training modules
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thedeerzord
10/21/17 4:11:37 PM
#22:


Jen0125 posted...
thedeerzord posted...
being unable to make accounts so that I may apply


?

?
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thedeerzord
10/21/17 4:12:47 PM
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mooreandrew58 posted...
thedeerzord posted...
I'm having the same frustrations in regards to applying online, only its mostly about me being unable to make accounts so that I may apply.


I hate the account thing, why do I need an account to apply for a job, since if I get the job chances are i'm not logging back into it ever unless its tied to training modules

Right?

Its so fucking dumb. I made a topic about this a few months back bitching about this very thing, and people just shot me down telling my that I was doing things wrong or something.
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Rockies
10/21/17 4:29:08 PM
#24:


The accounts are so stupid. "You can check the status of your application", blah blah blah. Um, if the application is actually going to go anywhere then someone will just reach out to me directly.

Jen0125 posted...
Sorry you suck at those personality tests, tc, but that doesn't mean it's impossible to get a job.


Those personality tests are such bullshit, though. See my above post. Every time I think I have them figured out, it turns out I'm wrong. It's a total guessing game what they're looking for. None of these companies care about your personality, they'll just use anything they can to reduce the number of applications that get filtered through to an actual person.
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Jen0125
10/21/17 4:31:05 PM
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thedeerzord posted...
Jen0125 posted...
thedeerzord posted...
being unable to make accounts so that I may apply


?

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Why can't you make accounts? You made an account here just fine.
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mooreandrew58
10/21/17 4:32:20 PM
#26:


Rockies posted...
The accounts are so stupid. "You can check the status of your application", blah blah blah. Um, if the application is actually going to go anywhere then someone will just reach out to me directly.

Jen0125 posted...
Sorry you suck at those personality tests, tc, but that doesn't mean it's impossible to get a job.


Those personality tests are such bullshit, though. See my above post. Every time I think I have them figured out, it turns out I'm wrong. It's a total guessing game what they're looking for. None of these companies care about your personality, they'll just use anything they can to reduce the number of applications that get filtered through to an actual person.


you ever try just being honest on them? part of those tests is to ask the same questions re worded through out, to see if you lie. so if you do lie on them at least make sure you stay consistent on your answers.
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JOExHIGASHI
10/21/17 4:34:08 PM
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The most annoying thing for me is making an account and a secure password that is 26 characters long includes capital letters, 2 number, and symbols, etc.

Why the fuck do I need such a password for? Nobody is going to hack my account and apply for a job on my behalf. It's just stupid to make such an inconvenient thing. I end up spending an hour applying to 8 jobs.
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mooreandrew58
10/21/17 4:34:55 PM
#28:


JOExHIGASHI posted...
The most annoying thing for me is making an account and a secure password that is 26 characters long includes capital letters, 2 number, and symbols, etc.

Why the fuck do I need such a password for? Nobody is going to hack my account and apply for a job on my behalf. It's just stupid to make such an inconvenient thing. I end up spending an hour applying to 8 jobs.


they'd hack it for your personal info if they did hack it. like social security number.
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Rockies
10/21/17 4:35:57 PM
#29:


mooreandrew58 posted...
you ever try just being honest on them? part of those tests is to ask the same questions re worded through out, to see if you lie. so if you do lie on them at least make sure you stay consistent on your answers.


Rockies posted...
- Make sure your answers don't contradict (though the "contradictory" questions are almost always misleading due to subtleties in how they're asked)


Yes, I know about that aspect, but it's still hard sometimes to be consistent. For example they give you shit like:

"I enjoy working in teams."
"I tend to work better alone."

Are those supposed to show your consistency? Because any reasonable person could agree with both of those statements. Some stuff is better to do alone and some stuff is better in a team. It's fucking horseshit to make you stress over how you're supposed to answer seemingly simple questions like that.
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Rockies
10/21/17 4:36:30 PM
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mooreandrew58 posted...
JOExHIGASHI posted...
The most annoying thing for me is making an account and a secure password that is 26 characters long includes capital letters, 2 number, and symbols, etc.

Why the fuck do I need such a password for? Nobody is going to hack my account and apply for a job on my behalf. It's just stupid to make such an inconvenient thing. I end up spending an hour applying to 8 jobs.


they'd hack it for your personal info if they did hack it. like social security number.


Don't apply to anything that asks for your SSN
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thedeerzord
10/21/17 4:36:42 PM
#31:


Jen0125 posted...
thedeerzord posted...
Jen0125 posted...
thedeerzord posted...
being unable to make accounts so that I may apply


?

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Why can't you make accounts? You made an account here just fine.

Not a gamefaqs you dumbo on company websites that require me to make an account so that I may apply.
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Rockies
10/21/17 4:37:18 PM
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Yes, but what is making you unable to make the accounts
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Ogurisama
10/21/17 4:38:13 PM
#33:


Rockies posted...
mooreandrew58 posted...
JOExHIGASHI posted...
The most annoying thing for me is making an account and a secure password that is 26 characters long includes capital letters, 2 number, and symbols, etc.

Why the fuck do I need such a password for? Nobody is going to hack my account and apply for a job on my behalf. It's just stupid to make such an inconvenient thing. I end up spending an hour applying to 8 jobs.


they'd hack it for your personal info if they did hack it. like social security number.


Don't apply to anything that asks for your SSN

At least not till you get the job (as i believe it is used to track tax stuff)
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JOExHIGASHI
10/21/17 4:38:30 PM
#34:


mooreandrew58 posted...
JOExHIGASHI posted...
The most annoying thing for me is making an account and a secure password that is 26 characters long includes capital letters, 2 number, and symbols, etc.

Why the fuck do I need such a password for? Nobody is going to hack my account and apply for a job on my behalf. It's just stupid to make such an inconvenient thing. I end up spending an hour applying to 8 jobs.


they'd hack it for your personal info if they did hack it. like social security number.


a lot of the places I apply to don't ask for my social security number. all info asked for is in my resume which is publicly accessible on indeed and other job sites.
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Rockies
10/21/17 4:40:55 PM
#35:


I don't really love giving out even my address, but I guess it's not like anybody would really do much with it if they found it. It's still annoying when the form requires it. I don't even include it on my resume anymore because you don't need my damn address unless you're sending me an offer letter.
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thedeerzord
10/21/17 4:41:17 PM
#36:


Rockies posted...
Yes, but what is making you unable to make the accounts

Well recently I tried to apply at the Alamo Drafthouse, and everytime I click the "next" button when trying to get to the next step of application that comes after making an account, nothing happens and I'm left with this boiling rage because I want to fucking work there.

And there's other stupid shit that happens when I try to apply at other places online. It'll end up sending me to another random website, or it'll take me to a survey, etc.
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Rockies
10/21/17 4:42:28 PM
#37:


Well that's what you get for expecting companies to use reasonably modern technology for recruiting. I bet if you just used IE it would have worked.
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mooreandrew58
10/21/17 4:47:31 PM
#38:


Rockies posted...
mooreandrew58 posted...
you ever try just being honest on them? part of those tests is to ask the same questions re worded through out, to see if you lie. so if you do lie on them at least make sure you stay consistent on your answers.


Rockies posted...
- Make sure your answers don't contradict (though the "contradictory" questions are almost always misleading due to subtleties in how they're asked)


Yes, I know about that aspect, but it's still hard sometimes to be consistent. For example they give you shit like:

"I enjoy working in teams."
"I tend to work better alone."

Are those supposed to show your consistency? Because any reasonable person could agree with both of those statements. Some stuff is better to do alone and some stuff is better in a team. It's fucking horseshit to make you stress over how you're supposed to answer seemingly simple questions like that.


yeah that is true. I do hate that. I just go with being honest on those though. and if I can't really decide which would be a good answer I go with the neutral option.
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Rasmoh
10/21/17 4:50:29 PM
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Rockies posted...
Are those supposed to show your consistency? Because any reasonable person could agree with both of those statements. Some stuff is better to do alone and some stuff is better in a team. It's fucking horseshit to make you stress over how you're supposed to answer seemingly simple questions like that.


People actually struggle with this shit? Think about where you're applying, what you think they want in an employee and tell them what they want to hear. Protip: More or less everywhere wants a yes-man that works well with others.
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mooreandrew58
10/21/17 4:56:46 PM
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Rasmoh posted...
Rockies posted...
Are those supposed to show your consistency? Because any reasonable person could agree with both of those statements. Some stuff is better to do alone and some stuff is better in a team. It's fucking horseshit to make you stress over how you're supposed to answer seemingly simple questions like that.


People actually struggle with this shit? Think about where you're applying, what you think they want in an employee and tell them what they want to hear. Protip: More or less everywhere wants a yes-man that works well with others.


problem is people really don't know if its this test thats holding them up. they don't tell you why you didn't get a interview. when it could be many other reasons too.

I personally don't think the test has ever held me up. they are all pretty similar and i've gotten plenty enough interviews after applying for jobs using them, but haven't gotten a lot of others, but I assume someone more qualified or had a better looking work history etc. also applied and they decided to not even bother with me.
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Rockies
10/21/17 5:35:52 PM
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Yes, I do struggle with them. It's not like they put the "opposite" questions right next to each other. I just answer questions and move on, without really paying attention to or remembering what the past questions were. I don't want to have to go back five pages of questions (if I even can) to find what question I answered before that is on a similar subject to the one I'm answering currently. And again, they have such vague and misleading wordings that you could easily answer all the questions honestly and still make what is viewed as a "contradiction."
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Jen0125
10/21/17 5:53:47 PM
#42:


thedeerzord posted...
Jen0125 posted...
thedeerzord posted...
Jen0125 posted...
thedeerzord posted...
being unable to make accounts so that I may apply


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Why can't you make accounts? You made an account here just fine.

Not a gamefaqs you dumbo on company websites that require me to make an account so that I may apply.


Yes "you dumbo" but there is no difference between signing up for an account here or signing up for an account on a job website.
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thedeerzord
10/21/17 5:54:42 PM
#43:


Jen0125 posted...
thedeerzord posted...
Jen0125 posted...
thedeerzord posted...
Jen0125 posted...
thedeerzord posted...
being unable to make accounts so that I may apply


?

?


Why can't you make accounts? You made an account here just fine.

Not a gamefaqs you dumbo on company websites that require me to make an account so that I may apply.


Yes "you dumbo" but there is no difference between signing up for an account here or signing up for an account on a job website.

dumbo
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Jen0125
10/21/17 5:56:05 PM
#44:


I mean at least I can sign up online and get a job.
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thedeerzord
10/21/17 5:59:52 PM
#45:


Jen0125 posted...
I mean at least I can sign up online and get a job.

yeah well i cant

so stop making fun of me!
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ultra magnus13
10/21/17 10:04:31 PM
#46:


Those "personality" tests have been around for at least 15 years. I've taken a paper version before.

If you can't complete an online app I don't want to hire you.

If you can't figure out the correct answers on the test I don't want to hire you.

I've gotton my last 3 jobs via online applications. Didnt "know" anyone.
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Broken_Zeus
10/21/17 10:49:29 PM
#47:


Yes, these systems are awful and *most* of the companies that use them don't value their employees. As such, you might be better off looking for small businesses anyway because, as politicians remind us, they're "the backbone of our economy."
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acesxhigh
10/21/17 11:10:47 PM
#48:


I dunno, every job I ever got was from an online job application. Of course, that's a grand total of 2 jobs vs 50+ applications but like anything else it's a numbers game.
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wwinterj25
10/21/17 11:15:32 PM
#49:


Kislevic posted...
Applying for jobs online doesn't work


It worked for me twice. Sure you have to knock on a lot of doors before someone answers but someone eventually will. Perseverance is the key when it comes to job hunting.
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SpeeDLeemon
10/21/17 11:30:02 PM
#50:


Smarkil posted...
Kislevic posted...
Connections is the only way to get jobs


Yeah you really gotta be a part of the 'in' crew to get a job pushing carts at Walmart.

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Rockies
10/21/17 11:36:36 PM
#51:


ultra magnus13 posted...
If you can't complete an online app I don't want to hire you.

If you can't figure out the correct answers on the test I don't want to hire you.


Too bad that for the vast majority of applicants to a given position, they'll do both of those things and you still don't want to hire them. Why add a bunch of steps to complicate the process? Why give assessments unrelated to the actual job? There are already so many factors that go into hiring that I never know what I really need to improve, and those assessments just add to the confusion after getting rejected for a job.
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