Board 8 > man slowly bumps into protesters blocking intersection, injuring nobody [video]

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WhoopsyDaisy
10/27/17 11:09:27 AM
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The protesters should've been arrested for blocking the intersection. What a fucking hero.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-car-protesters-royce-20171026-story.html
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Nanis23
10/27/17 11:12:16 AM
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Blocking roads should be disallowed by law, and if it is - they really need to enforce it because they clearly are doing a bad job at that
Protest how much you fucking want, DO NOT BLOCK THE WAY

This man is a hero, and even had he injured someone it would be fine, they were asking for it
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banananor
10/27/17 11:18:26 AM
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isn't the point of a protest to disobey?
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banananor
10/27/17 11:18:47 AM
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why can't everybody just protest in a way that i don't have to notice??
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velocycloraptor
10/27/17 11:22:55 AM
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ugghhh i hate when protests are inconvenient why can't they all be pointless and have no impact
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WhoopsyDaisy
10/27/17 11:23:34 AM
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banananor posted...
isn't the point of a protest to disobey?


No, it's to make sure people see and hear that you're upset and what you're upset about. Breaking the law and inconveniencing other people aren't necessary elements for a protest. If they held the same signs and did the same things and stayed on the sidewalk or in public parks or something there would be no problem.
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WhoopsyDaisy
10/27/17 11:25:16 AM
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Plus it's a bunch of illegal immigrants demanding to continue costing the government more than they're putting in despite having no legal claim to our resources, so their cause is shit anyway.
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pjbasis
10/27/17 11:26:52 AM
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Yeah man how can people see how cool you are if you aren't literally blocking their way.
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velocycloraptor
10/27/17 11:28:16 AM
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WhoopsyDaisy posted...
banananor posted...
isn't the point of a protest to disobey?


No, it's to make sure people see and hear that you're upset and what you're upset about. Breaking the law and inconveniencing other people aren't necessary elements for a protest. If they held the same signs and did the same things and stayed on the sidewalk or in public parks or something there would be no problem.


even if you are enough of a dumbass to believe this, the police were in the middle of fixing the problem per the article, and the driver also broke the law, but in a way where he was being violent, not just inconvenient. don't you guys hate antifa bc violence against protesters?
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WhoopsyDaisy
10/27/17 11:31:45 AM
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He was very carefully avoiding injuring anyone. That isn't violence.
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Nanis23
10/27/17 11:33:19 AM
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The only violence here is people trying to break his car
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velocycloraptor
10/27/17 11:34:32 AM
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he was very carefully avoiding killing anyone, he EASILY could have injured someone, and that is why he was charged with assault with a deadly weapon not attempted murder.
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HashtagSEP
10/27/17 11:34:50 AM
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WhoopsyDaisy posted...
He was very carefully avoiding injuring anyone. That isn't violence.


To be perfectly fair, bumping people with a car is never "careful." Even going that slow, if somebody fell in front of the car, he's not gonna be able to stop before going over them atleast partially.
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OliviaTremor
10/27/17 11:35:12 AM
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I'm cool with protestors

but I hate when protestors block traffic on a major roadway. We had a bunch of protestors walk onto the Dan Ryan Expressway here in Chicago like a year or two ago which I believe is the busiest expressway in the US. It sucks. It ruins everyone's commute, people who are now late for their jobs/responsibilities/interviews/flights/etc, totally messes with first responders and emergency services abilities to perform their jobs, etc. I get why protestors would want to do so, but there are so, so, so many downsides it blows my mind.
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GuessMyUserName
10/27/17 11:35:51 AM
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jesus all you do is stan for these people
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LapisLazuli
10/27/17 11:38:47 AM
#16:


Every topic you make is a disaster.

As soon as he started accelerating faster he was done for BTW. The assault charge will stick. Might of had hope if he had continued at the same speed.
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Nanis23
10/27/17 11:40:20 AM
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LapisLazuli posted...
Every topic you make is a disaster.

As soon as he started accelerating faster he was done for BTW. The assault charge will stick. Might of had hope if he had continued at the same speed.

He was under attack
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HashtagSEP
10/27/17 11:40:41 AM
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Nanis23 posted...
LapisLazuli posted...
Every topic you make is a disaster.

As soon as he started accelerating faster he was done for BTW. The assault charge will stick. Might of had hope if he had continued at the same speed.

He was under attack


He literally started the attack
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WhoopsyDaisy
10/27/17 11:40:56 AM
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HashtagSEP posted...
WhoopsyDaisy posted...
He was very carefully avoiding injuring anyone. That isn't violence.


To be perfectly fair, bumping people with a car is never "careful." Even going that slow, if somebody fell in front of the car, he's not gonna be able to stop before going over them atleast partially.


I mean sure? It'd be pretty dumb for him to be at fault for that though. The car isn't automatically at fault for an auto-pedestrian collision and if the pedestrian was breaking the law the case gets easier and easier for the driver.

OliviaTremor posted...
I'm cool with protestors

but I hate when protestors block traffic on a major roadway. We had a bunch of protestors walk onto the Dan Ryan Expressway here in Chicago like a year or two ago which I believe is the busiest expressway in the US. It sucks. It ruins everyone's commute, people who are now late for their jobs/responsibilities/interviews/flights/etc, totally messes with first responders and emergency services abilities to perform their jobs, etc. I get why protestors would want to do so, but there are so, so, so many downsides it blows my mind.


no but don't you understand? that's the POINT! how else are they supposed to get their way if they don't make it a giant battle of attrition? what are they supposed to do, have reasonable demands that DON'T boil down to "continue giving us free stuff we are in no way entitled to?"
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HashtagSEP
10/27/17 11:42:55 AM
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WhoopsyDaisy posted...
I mean sure? It'd be pretty dumb for him to be at fault for that though. The car isn't automatically at fault for an auto-pedestrian collision and if the pedestrian was breaking the law the case gets easier and easier for the driver.


I mean it's literally on video that he started driving into a crowd of people, and cops were right there to witness it, so...
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LapisLazuli
10/27/17 11:43:18 AM
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Nanis23 posted...
LapisLazuli posted...
Every topic you make is a disaster.

As soon as he started accelerating faster he was done for BTW. The assault charge will stick. Might of had hope if he had continued at the same speed.

He was under attack


0 chance that holds up. He, in a vehicle, accelerated in a crowd of unarmed protestors. Will be very surprised if he doesn't get severely punished. Witnesses, cops, video. He's totally fucked. Accelerating was the absolute worse decision he's ever made in his life, probably. What a dumbass.
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HashtagSEP
10/27/17 11:45:22 AM
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I mean, yeah, it's stupid for protestors to block a road. But that doesn't suddenly make it legal for you to drive your car into them, no matter how slow.

What'll make the charges stick is that police were already there dealing with it
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Meow1000
10/27/17 11:46:46 AM
#23:


I have no real problem with what the driver did, but the law does.

That said, by law, that charge will and should stick. He's screwed.

I don't pay attention to news anymore for the most part.
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WhoopsyDaisy
10/27/17 11:47:55 AM
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HashtagSEP posted...
WhoopsyDaisy posted...
I mean sure? It'd be pretty dumb for him to be at fault for that though. The car isn't automatically at fault for an auto-pedestrian collision and if the pedestrian was breaking the law the case gets easier and easier for the driver.


I mean it's literally on video that he started driving into a crowd of people, and cops were right there to witness it, so...


He was inching forwards with the goal of minimizing the probability of harm to the people in the intersection. Like what are you supposed to do, just wait? How long are you supposed to wait for people to stop blocking the intersection? How long was that guy waiting? I feel like you're not really thinking this through
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foolm0r0n
10/27/17 11:48:24 AM
#25:


His initial speed was definitely fast enough to hurt someone and then he went way faster

He should've just shot a few rounds into the crowd - if no one got hit it would be equivalently innocent, but it would be 1000x more effective
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foolm0r0n
10/27/17 11:49:36 AM
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WhoopsyDaisy posted...
How long are you supposed to wait for people to stop blocking the intersection?

How long do you need to wait before you're allowed to shoot up a crowd?
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OliviaTremor
10/27/17 11:52:06 AM
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For the record, I want to clarify that I don't agree with SHM or Nanis at all. In fact I think they are idiots. I think that the dude absolutely should not have driven through the protestors and definitely should not have sped up and definitely should not have accelerated when the woman jumped on the hood of his car. I think that's all pretty indefensible even if he was trying not to harm anyone.

I just also happen to believe blocking major roadways/intersections, such as highways, is bad. I don't know anything about the city mentioned or the road they blocked, there's probably alternate routes around. My example though, of the major highway through the heart of a major city, is a bit different.
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SmartMuffin
10/27/17 11:55:29 AM
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foolm0r0n posted...
WhoopsyDaisy posted...
How long are you supposed to wait for people to stop blocking the intersection?

How long do you need to wait before you're allowed to shoot up a crowd?


Shooting into a crowd is illegal.

Driving on a road is not.

In fact, blocking a road is illegal.

The model of society wherein the police are only authorized to act on behalf of the citizenry (i.e. libertarianism) suggests that if it's acceptable for the police to physically remove people from illegally occupying roads, then it's acceptable for private citizens to do so as well.
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LapisLazuli
10/27/17 11:56:04 AM
#29:


WhoopsyDaisy posted...
HashtagSEP posted...
WhoopsyDaisy posted...
I mean sure? It'd be pretty dumb for him to be at fault for that though. The car isn't automatically at fault for an auto-pedestrian collision and if the pedestrian was breaking the law the case gets easier and easier for the driver.


I mean it's literally on video that he started driving into a crowd of people, and cops were right there to witness it, so...


He was inching forwards with the goal of minimizing the probability of harm to the people in the intersection. Like what are you supposed to do, just wait? How long are you supposed to wait for people to stop blocking the intersection? How long was that guy waiting? I feel like you're not really thinking this through


You're the one not thinking this through. There's no situation where he would have gotten a pass doing this no matter how long he was waiting. Maybe with the possible exception of someone in the vehicle needing hospital aid, don't know how that works.

But he was alone. You're arguing excuses, the law doesn't care. Cut and dry vehicular assault, no questions asked.
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LapisLazuli
10/27/17 11:56:58 AM
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SmartMuffin posted...

Shooting into a crowd is illegal.

Driving on a road is not.


Driving into a crowd is. What a nonsense Smuffin anology as usual.
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WhoopsyDaisy
10/27/17 12:03:20 PM
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Let's take this to its logical conclusion. What if different people keep blocking the intersection, and the intersection stays blocked for literally hours. Maybe days. How long does an intersection have to be blocked before driving through at 3 miles per hour go from impermissible to permissible? What do you do, starve to death? Abandon your car and walk? Shit yourself?

Even if the guy doesn't win a legal victory he definitely wins a moral one. What a fucking hero.
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WhoopsyDaisy
10/27/17 12:04:16 PM
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foolm0r0n posted...
WhoopsyDaisy posted...
How long are you supposed to wait for people to stop blocking the intersection?

How long do you need to wait before you're allowed to shoot up a crowd?


this is not morally equivalent to shooting up a crowd, he was intentionally minimizing the risk of harm to the people in the road you disingenuous idiot
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LapisLazuli
10/27/17 12:06:27 PM
#33:


WhoopsyDaisy posted...
Let's take this to its logical conclusion. What if different people keep blocking the intersection, and the intersection stays blocked for literally hours. Maybe days. How long does an intersection have to be blocked before driving through at 3 miles per hour go from impermissible to permissible? What do you do, starve to death? Abandon your car and walk? Shit yourself?

Even if the guy doesn't win a legal victory he definitely wins a moral one. What a fucking hero.


The police will clear them out. Like they were DOING in this video.

Look at the fucking nonsense you just posted. "Starve to death", jesus.

The moral victory of accelerating into a crowd with a car, "what a hero".
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Emeraldegg
10/27/17 12:06:38 PM
#34:


WhoopsyDaisy posted...
Let's take this to its logical conclusion. What if different people keep blocking the intersection, and the intersection stays blocked for literally hours. Maybe days. How long does an intersection have to be blocked before driving through at 3 miles per hour go from impermissible to permissible? What do you do, starve to death? Abandon your car and walk? Shit yourself?

Even if the guy doesn't win a legal victory he definitely wins a moral one. What a fucking hero.

I would assume you call the cops and let them know that there are protestors in the streets so they can clear them out. Which, you know, was happening.
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LapisLazuli
10/27/17 12:06:54 PM
#35:


WhoopsyDaisy posted...
foolm0r0n posted...
WhoopsyDaisy posted...
How long are you supposed to wait for people to stop blocking the intersection?

How long do you need to wait before you're allowed to shoot up a crowd?


this is not morally equivalent to shooting up a crowd, he was intentionally minimizing the risk of harm to the people in the road you disingenuous idiot


He ACCELRATED.

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WhoopsyDaisy
10/27/17 12:08:55 PM
#36:


I'd probably be afraid for my safety if I had a crowd of people attacking my car. What are they going to do to me if one of them breaks a window? They're a lot more likely to injure the driver than the other way around.
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Snrkiko
10/27/17 12:09:34 PM
#37:


velocycloraptor posted...
he was very carefully avoiding killing anyone, he EASILY could have injured someone, and that is why he was charged with assault with a deadly weapon not attempted murder.


Basically everyone involved was acting not as intelligently as they should have been
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WhoopsyDaisy
10/27/17 12:10:11 PM
#38:


Emeraldegg posted...
WhoopsyDaisy posted...
Let's take this to its logical conclusion. What if different people keep blocking the intersection, and the intersection stays blocked for literally hours. Maybe days. How long does an intersection have to be blocked before driving through at 3 miles per hour go from impermissible to permissible? What do you do, starve to death? Abandon your car and walk? Shit yourself?

Even if the guy doesn't win a legal victory he definitely wins a moral one. What a fucking hero.

I would assume you call the cops and let them know that there are protestors in the streets so they can clear them out. Which, you know, was happening.


The cops didn't show up until he started driving, boyo
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Nanis23
10/27/17 12:10:54 PM
#39:


Come on the accelarted thing doesn't mean anything, he was under attack and has every damn right to do so
Now if you want to say he broke the law by driving in, go ahead, but accelarting while your car is being damaged and someone jumped on your glass is fine, they could break it and injure the driver
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Emeraldegg
10/27/17 12:12:02 PM
#40:


WhoopsyDaisy posted...
Emeraldegg posted...
WhoopsyDaisy posted...
Let's take this to its logical conclusion. What if different people keep blocking the intersection, and the intersection stays blocked for literally hours. Maybe days. How long does an intersection have to be blocked before driving through at 3 miles per hour go from impermissible to permissible? What do you do, starve to death? Abandon your car and walk? Shit yourself?

Even if the guy doesn't win a legal victory he definitely wins a moral one. What a fucking hero.

I would assume you call the cops and let them know that there are protestors in the streets so they can clear them out. Which, you know, was happening.


The cops didn't show up until he started driving, boyo

"About 12:30 p.m., police were in the process of trying to clear the intersection. Cohen said thats when a car began to drive through the group of protesters at a low speed."
This is from the article that you, yourself, posted. This would imply that the police were already in the middle of things when this guy lost his patience and took matters into his own hands.
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LapisLazuli
10/27/17 12:12:45 PM
#41:


I cannot believe the man who literally just said "what if he starved to death" immediately called someone out for being disengenuous.
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LapisLazuli
10/27/17 12:15:49 PM
#42:


WhoopsyDaisy posted...
Emeraldegg posted...
WhoopsyDaisy posted...
Let's take this to its logical conclusion. What if different people keep blocking the intersection, and the intersection stays blocked for literally hours. Maybe days. How long does an intersection have to be blocked before driving through at 3 miles per hour go from impermissible to permissible? What do you do, starve to death? Abandon your car and walk? Shit yourself?

Even if the guy doesn't win a legal victory he definitely wins a moral one. What a fucking hero.

I would assume you call the cops and let them know that there are protestors in the streets so they can clear them out. Which, you know, was happening.


The cops didn't show up until he started driving, boyo


...do you think cops are teleporters?
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WhoopsyDaisy
10/27/17 12:16:35 PM
#43:


Emeraldegg posted...
WhoopsyDaisy posted...
Emeraldegg posted...
WhoopsyDaisy posted...
Let's take this to its logical conclusion. What if different people keep blocking the intersection, and the intersection stays blocked for literally hours. Maybe days. How long does an intersection have to be blocked before driving through at 3 miles per hour go from impermissible to permissible? What do you do, starve to death? Abandon your car and walk? Shit yourself?

Even if the guy doesn't win a legal victory he definitely wins a moral one. What a fucking hero.

I would assume you call the cops and let them know that there are protestors in the streets so they can clear them out. Which, you know, was happening.


The cops didn't show up until he started driving, boyo

"About 12:30 p.m., police were in the process of trying to clear the intersection. Cohen said thats when a car began to drive through the group of protesters at a low speed."
This is from the article that you, yourself, posted. This would imply that the police were already in the middle of things when this guy lost his patience and took matters into his own hands.


That's fair, I retract my assertion that the cops weren't doing anything to clear the intersection.

Still don't feel bad for anyone involved except the people who were being blocked
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LapisLazuli
10/27/17 12:17:22 PM
#44:


Well that's pretty much your problem.
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Lopen
10/27/17 12:17:42 PM
#45:


banananor posted...
isn't the point of a protest to disobey?


In some ways you could call what this guy did a protest. A protest of the protesters. The protester should really be more understanding and drop the charges.
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WhoopsyDaisy
10/27/17 12:18:07 PM
#46:


LapisLazuli posted...
Well that's pretty much your problem.

Did harm come to anyone else? Not potential harm, but actual harm?
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Emeraldegg
10/27/17 12:19:30 PM
#47:


Emeraldegg posted...
WhoopsyDaisy posted...
Emeraldegg posted...
WhoopsyDaisy posted...
Let's take this to its logical conclusion. What if different people keep blocking the intersection, and the intersection stays blocked for literally hours. Maybe days. How long does an intersection have to be blocked before driving through at 3 miles per hour go from impermissible to permissible? What do you do, starve to death? Abandon your car and walk? Shit yourself?

Even if the guy doesn't win a legal victory he definitely wins a moral one. What a fucking hero.

I would assume you call the cops and let them know that there are protestors in the streets so they can clear them out. Which, you know, was happening.


The cops didn't show up until he started driving, boyo

"About 12:30 p.m., police were in the process of trying to clear the intersection. Cohen said thats when a car began to drive through the group of protesters at a low speed."
This is from the article that you, yourself, posted. This would imply that the police were already in the middle of things when this guy lost his patience and took matters into his own hands.

"Video of the incident shows a small group of protesters in front of a blue sedan stopped at the intersection. When the car begins to move slowly forward, some protesters placed their hands on the car and tried to stop it. At that point, the car began to move faster and at least one protester jumped on the cars hood."
Again, from your own article. Now, I watched the video. It is rather difficult to see since it doesn't pan over to the car until it's already started moving, but the article would indicate that the protestors did not get aggressive on the car until the car started moving. IE if he had just stayed put and let the police do their thing, then he wouldn't have been attacked. Also, from the camera's POV they are only trying to put their hands on the car to stop it. Dumb as it is for them to think they can, they're clearly trying to convey "Don't drive through us"
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foolm0r0n
10/27/17 12:21:34 PM
#48:


WhoopsyDaisy posted...
this is not morally equivalent to shooting up a crowd, he was intentionally minimizing the risk of harm to the people in the road you disingenuous idiot

I'm saying shoot and MISS the crowd. Like shoot next to them or over their heads or something. Intentionally minimize the risk of harm.

How long do I need to wait before doing that? 30 mins? 1 hour?
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LapisLazuli
10/27/17 12:21:55 PM
#49:


It says everything in.the world that the couple of people defending this are completely refusing to acknowledge that he accelerated, literally not even one peep about it.

Just plug your ears and pretens that detail goes away, eh?
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WhoopsyDaisy
10/27/17 12:23:36 PM
#51:


LapisLazuli posted...
It says everything in.the world that the couple of people defending this are completely refusing to acknowledge thatcher accelerated, literally not even one peep about it.

Just plug your ears and pretens that detail goes away, eh?


he accelerated when his car started being attacked

it's reasonable to have fear in that situation and react defensively

i'm pretty sure I acknowledged that at some point? I'm not like hiding it or anything
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