Board 8 > College Football Discussion Week 13 - Rivalry Edition

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Dr_Football posted...

SSJBGenkiDama posted...

Dr_Football posted...

OU has a much better resume than Bama and Georgia (its not even close in Bama's case)

No. The only actual good team you've beaten all year is OSU. (Ohio)

which at the bare minimum is more than Bama has beaten

Fair enough.... tell me which unranked 5 loss team Bama lost to...

Good wins definitely get valued over bad losses, or at least one bad loss. This season has really showcased that.
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That's true. Bama has been more dominant in conference play than OU has though if we're going game by game. 1 possession wins over Texas, K-State, and especially Baylor don't look great.

OU's resume is better, but it's not leaps and bounds better.
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If you rank resumes by who you lose to then all your arguments make a lot more sense

I dont agree but whatever
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Dr_Football posted...

If you rank resumes by who you lose to then all your arguments make a lot more sense

I dont agree but whatever

It's the ONLY thing that should matter.

Any team in the conversation will have a ton of wins. Everyone beat some good teams, everyone beat some bad teams. I care who the fuck you managed to lose to. That shows how good you really are.

which is hilarious considering who's won the title 2 of the 3 years of the playoffs
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Dr_Football posted...

which is hilarious considering who's won the title 2 of the 3 years of the playoffs

Neither should have been in.... At least with Clemson you can argue the rest of the country died so
You really didn't have a choice....

But ESPECIALLY OSU. They had beyond no right making the thing.

Ohio State needs to return the favor Wisconsin gave them that year and just roll over and let the Badgers win 70-0.
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This is silly.
Just make a 12 team playoff where the top 4 get a bye
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SSJBGenkiDama posted...

Dr_Football posted...

If you rank resumes by who you lose to then all your arguments make a lot more sense

I dont agree but whatever

It's the ONLY thing that should matter.

Any team in the conversation will have a ton of wins. Everyone beat some good teams, everyone beat some bad teams. I care who the fuck you managed to lose to. That shows how good you really are.

Point spread in the losses should matter as well. 2 losses by 4 points should not be held to the same standard as 2 losses by 46
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LOLIAmAnAlt posted...

This is silly.
Just make a 12 team playoff where the top 4 get a bye

I think 8 is sufficient.

5 P5 champs
1 consensus G5 champ
2 at large, where undefeated G5s can't be passed up for non-undefeated P5s as long as they have a P5 win

I say this fully aware it will lead to Georgia getting more playoff berths, but I'm willing to make that sacrifice.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Ohio State needs to return the favor Wisconsin gave them that year and just roll over and let the Badgers win 70-0.

They don't need it.

You might be the only dude in America who doesn't believe Wisconsin is a win and you're in next week.

then I'll be the only one who's right

they're probably in but I don't think it's a guarantee

I also don't think they'll beat Ohio State so this will just end up being moot
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Wisconsin will be in if they win.
The west isn't the same gauntlet as the east though in the big 10.
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Spartans go from 3-9 to 9-3.

Pretty happy with that.
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LeonhartFour posted...

then I'll be the only one who's right

they're probably in but I don't think it's a guarantee

I also don't think they'll beat Ohio State so this will just end up being moot

I mean, I assume we all think OSU is gonna win, right?

No one else I'm guessing thinks Wisconsin is winning. Just that if they somehow do there is no way they are out...

But I'll humor you for a second.

1 Georgia/Auburn
2 Clemson/Ok
3 OK/Clemson
4 Bama
5 Wisconsin
6 Auburn/Georgia....

Do you have any idea how much hell would be (fairly) raised on the committee if an undefeated P5 Champion got left out over a 1 loss team that didn't even MAKE the Championship game...?

As much as has been raised most years.

TCU getting shafted year 1 is still the biggest ripoff so far though.
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LeonhartFour posted...

As much as has been raised most years.

TCU getting shafted year 1 is still the biggest ripoff so far though.

Definitley. OSU had no right to be there. TCU should have.

That is a blip on the radar if undefeated Champ gets left out over one loss DIVSION runner up howver....

Wisconsin not making it would be like TCU not making it times 4

Wisconsin not making it would be like TCU not making it times 4

My conspiracy theory is that the committee is going to intentionally do something as shitty and annoying as possible to get all the WELP GUESS WE NEED TO EXPAND TO EIGHT TEAMS idiots going
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and I fully support it

8 teams go go go go
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The only remaining scenario where undefeated Wisconsin might have been left out ended when Miami lost today. And even that I never really entertained because I never thought they'd put in 2 ACC teams over undefeated Wisconsin.
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but regardless of whether it's unbeaten Wisconsin or 1-loss Alabama who gets left out there will be outcry for expansion

so it's a win-win all around

chaos prevails
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LeonhartFour posted...

and I fully support it

8 teams go go go go

Why not 16? #9 totally got hosed!!!
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SmartMuffin posted...

Wisconsin not making it would be like TCU not making it times 4

My conspiracy theory is that the committee is going to intentionally do something as shitty and annoying as possible to get all the WELP GUESS WE NEED TO EXPAND TO EIGHT TEAMS idiots going

I really don't understand why you hate the concept so much.
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I'm fine with 16, too!

(sorry bud you're not going to actually get me to agree with your stance on this)
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LeonhartFour posted...

but regardless of whether it's unbeaten Wisconsin or 1-loss Alabama who gets left out there will be outcry for expansion

so it's a win-win all around

chaos prevails

If Bama gets left out (and it's SEC, OU, Clemson, Wisconsin, and ONLY that combination) there is no way Sabin is going to cry about it. Now if somehow OSU, or Miami, or USC etc got in, yeah, he'd yell and have every right in the world to do so....

But there is no way Sabin is up in arms if he gets
Left out over an undefeated team

Saban absolutely will cry about it. He's already saying Bama deserves to be in.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Saban absolutely will cry about it. He's already saying Bama deserves to be in.

Seriously?

Damn....

Lost a little respect there

A possible Top 6:

1. Clemson 2. Oklahoma 3. Auburn 4. Alabama 5. Miami 6. Wisconsin

Get ready for massive rage if that plays out.
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swirIdude posted...

A possible Top 6:

1. Clemson 2. Oklahoma 3. Auburn 4. Alabama 5. Miami 6. Wisconsin

Get ready for massive rage if that plays out.

I'm an SEC fan, and I hate Wisconsin.....

I will go with Wisconsin fans to March on Indianapolis if that happens...

So much for Notre Dame having 2 losses
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Oh cool, I thought I was alone in my appallment toward TCU, arguably the best team in the nation that season, being shafted by the playoff committee.
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Also Wisconsin is easily in if they win. This conversation has been silly since Georgia/Notre Dame lost.

Wisconsin will probably already be 4, and if they're not, beating Ohio State will put them there.
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KCF0107 posted...

Oh cool, I thought I was alone in my appallment toward TCU, arguably the best team in the nation that season, being shafted by the playoff committee.

Uh

That's a popular opinion.
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Hi, I am someone who was giving shit to Wisconsin for their crap schedule

If they win out they are 100% likely to make the playoffs

Ok bye

Paratroopa1 posted...

Hi, I am someone who was giving shit to Wisconsin for their crap schedule

If they win out they are 100% likely to make the playoffs

Ok bye

THx. Have a goodnight.

Predix since I don't seem to be falling asleep yet.

1. Clemson
2. Oklahoma
3. Auburn
4. Wisconsin
5. Alabama
6. Georgia
7. Miami
8. Ohio State
9. USC
10. TCU

Wouldn't be surprised to see Miami at 6 or even at 8 though. Notre Dame is apparently pretty trash on the road and VT is clinging to the rankings.

Auburn convincingly beat Alabama and smoked Georgia. Their losses are better than everyone else's (playing #1 Clemson close helps). They should easily jump into the top 4. The only question is whether or not they pass Wisconsin. The only flaw in their resume is their two biggest wins were both at home, but Notre Dame was in the same boat, with weaker wins, and they were #3.

Alabama is the team in waiting at #5 no matter how I look at it. I don't think the committee decides to be cute and leave them as a potentially dead duck #4. There is no longer any justifiable reason for a Wisconsin that beats Ohio State to end behind Alabama (It'd also easily be a better win than Alabama's best win). I don't think Ohio State can pass them barring a legendary destruction of Wisconsin like the one that got Ohio State past TCU in year 1.

Clemson getting in with a loss is a really hard sell. I think it absolutely requires TCU to beat Oklahoma for there to even be a glimmer of hope.

This sets up a Miami/SEC Champion/Big Ten Champ/Clemson or Alabama (I think it sort of includes conference champion TCU, too, given their own conference championship, but that feels like a longshot)

So yeah Clemson is in trouble if it loses. At best it's going into a virtual tiebreaker for the last spot. I absolutely see the argument that they should get it, though.

I wrote a crapload more than I planned.

"Oh".

Nala is purring.

P.S. I think Clemson, Ohio State, and Oklahoma all both win by double digits, and the final four ends with Clemson/Oklahoma/Auburn/Alabama or Ohio State. Probably Alabama.
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They'll leave Alabama at four so they can use it as an excuse to keep them in if Ohio State barely beats Wisconsin.
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Also Clemson has a loss already. They lose in the ACC championship, they're out.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Also Clemson has a loss already. They lose in the ACC championship, they're out.

The committee has made it very clear they're barely treating the loss like a loss.

There's exactly 1 scenario that leaves them any hope of getting in with a loss, though I don't think they get in in that scenario.
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A two loss non conference winner is not getting in. No fucking chance. If they lose, SEC, ACC winner, Big Ten winner, and Alabama are all ahead of them even if Oklahoma loses.
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TheRock1525 posted...

They'll leave Alabama at four so they can use it as an excuse to keep them in if Ohio State barely beats Wisconsin.

There isn't a justifiable reason at that point no matter what though and they'd get murdered for doing it. Alabama's best win will be against a ~20 Miss St. team collapsed late. Ohio State might not even drop past 10-11 with a loss.

Alabama was beaten fairly convincingly in it's only attempt to pick up a signature win. If they lost a very close game by 1 point you have an argument, but Auburn strictly outplayed them.
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TheRock1525 posted...

A two loss non conference winner is not getting in. No fucking chance. If they lose, SEC, ACC winner, Big Ten winner, and Alabama are all ahead of them even if Oklahoma loses.

Except they've made it clear every single week that they put no stock whatsoever in Clemson's loss to Syracuse due to the Bryant injury. They don't make most things clear. This has probably been the sole exception.

The committee will be at worst treating them like they had 1 1/2 losses, not 2. Clemson may as well still be undefeated in their eyes right now.
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Meow1000 posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

A two loss non conference winner is not getting in. No fucking chance. If they lose, SEC, ACC winner, Big Ten winner, and Alabama are all ahead of them even if Oklahoma loses.

Except they've made it clear every single week that they put no stock whatsoever in Clemson's loss to Syracuse due to the Bryant injury. They don't make most of it clear. This has probably been the sole exception.

The committee will be at worst treating them like they had 1 1/2 losses, not 2. Clemson may as well still be undefeated in their eyes right now.

And a 1.5 loss non conference winner isn't getting in over Alabama, Big Ten, Miami, and SEC winner so it's a moot point.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Meow1000 posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

A two loss non conference winner is not getting in. No fucking chance. If they lose, SEC, ACC winner, Big Ten winner, and Alabama are all ahead of them even if Oklahoma loses.

Except they've made it clear every single week that they put no stock whatsoever in Clemson's loss to Syracuse due to the Bryant injury. They don't make most of it clear. This has probably been the sole exception.

The committee will be at worst treating them like they had 1 1/2 losses, not 2. Clemson may as well still be undefeated in their eyes right now.

And a 1.5 loss non conference winner isn't getting in over Alabama, Big Ten, Miami, and SEC winner so it's a moot point.

I don't think they get in over Alabama, but I think they would be close. Really close.

I actually think in that situation they should be the 4.

But what really makes it moot is Oklahoma is going to kill TCU again anyway and Clemson is going to kill Miami.
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I mean if we're going by who should be in, Wisconsin shouldn't even be sniffing it due to a cupcake schedule and will get ran over by anyone who's actually a playoff worthy team.
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How would you all rank the final four assuming Auburn, OU, Wisconsin, and Clemson wins?

Regardless of merit, do you think they would ignore the actual stated rules and try to prevent a Clemson-Auburn semifinal?

(as an aside, its always bound to happen, but still amuses me that OU (or some other southern team) is going to be the closest team to the Rose Bowl)
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You guys are all making too much out of this.

Clemson/Miami winner is in.

Wisconsin/Ohio State winner is in.

Auburn/Georgia winner is in.

Oklahoma is in if they win. If they lose, Alabama is in.

There's your playoff scenarios! Sorry to ruin the mystery.

Ohio State isn't getting in over Bama with two losses.
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Leonhart4 posted...

Ohio State isn't getting in over Bama with two losses.

Duh