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thronedfire2 03/22/18 3:06:25 PM #52:	Because newborn babies are their own person that actually legally exist. A fetus is not, even though the Republicans try to slip shit into new bills in congress to make It so --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:898291963] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote>Because newborn babies are their own person that actually legally exist. A fetus is not, even though the Republicans try to slip shit into new bills in congress to make It so</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_Rinku_ 03/22/18 3:06:56 PM #54:	HHH is the game posted... thronedfire2 posted... HHH is the game posted... CommonStar posted... Being pro-choice isn't being anti-life. It's just giving women the choice to abort rather than letting the government decide what they do with their body. I'm sure most women that have had an abortion, their decision wasn't an easy one to make by any means. In an ideal world, people get pregnant because they're well and ready to have kids and are prepared to take on that responsibility physically and financially. However, that's just not always the case. There are other options. You can give the baby up for adoption. Is foster care great? probably not. Sometimes it may be awful. Personally I know that Id rather have the chance to live though than have somebody decide, with no input from me, that they are going to kill me and not even give me a chance at life No you wouldn't, because you wouldn't have existed You might like your life now but it just as easily could have been shit Its just that by this logic I dont see why you cant kill newborn babies as well, who are equally as unaware of whats going on. I dont think its right to kill somebody because you decide you dont think their life will be up to standard. Newborn babies aren't constantly physically leaching off of their mothers. Your arguments are paper-thin and pathetic. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:898292006] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thronedfire2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CommonStar posted...</cite> <quote>Being pro-choice isn't being anti-life. It's just giving women the choice to abort rather than letting the government decide what they do with their body. I'm sure most women that have had an abortion, their decision wasn't an easy one to make by any means. In an ideal world, people get pregnant because they're well and ready to have kids and are prepared to take on that responsibility physically and financially. However, that's just not always the case.</quote> There are other options. You can give the baby up for adoption. Is foster care great? probably not. Sometimes it may be awful. Personally I know that Id rather have the chance to live though than have somebody decide, with no input from me, that they are going to kill me and not even give me a chance at life</quote> No you wouldn't, because you wouldn't have existed You might like your life now but it just as easily could have been shit</quote> Its just that by this logic I dont see why you cant kill newborn babies as well, who are equally as unaware of whats going on. I dont think its right to kill somebody because you decide you dont think their life will be up to standard.</quote> Newborn babies aren't constantly physically leaching off of their mothers. Your arguments are paper-thin and pathetic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HHH is the game 03/22/18 3:06:59 PM #55:	CommonStar posted... HHH is the game posted... CommonStar posted... Being pro-choice isn't being anti-life. It's just giving women the choice to abort rather than letting the government decide what they do with their body. I'm sure most women that have had an abortion, their decision wasn't an easy one to make by any means. In an ideal world, people get pregnant because they're well and ready to have kids and are prepared to take on that responsibility physically and financially. However, that's just not always the case. There are other options. You can give the baby up for adoption. Is foster care great? probably not. Sometimes it may be awful. Personally I know that Id rather have the chance to live though than have somebody decide, with no input from me, that they are going to kill me and not even give me a chance at life. Its not the woman's body Im worried about, its the child's body that concerns me. And yes, the life of a defenseless child that cannot say anything in his favor matters more to me than the comfort of somebody who brought this on themselves in the first place. The question of rape gets much more dicey and to be honest even i would be in favor of letting a rape victim have an abortion though it does sound almost hypocritical. Again, I acnkowledge this is all a complicated issue. But to me, its the fact that a woman knowingly had sex, despite its risks, that makes me think I do not sympathize with them to the extent that I think a child should be killed because of them being stupid. That's fine. I just think on the topic of abortion, it's not my decision to make or not make, it's up to the mother. But if we're talking about pro-choice and pro-life, I would rather much give women the choice to make it, and it ideally it wouldn't be solely her decision and would include the father's as well. This doesn't mean that all pro-choice women will have an abortion. Of course there should be a limit to how far along the mother before it's not allowed to do an abortion, but I think that's the biggest part of the debate I guess. I'm not a doctor so I don't know. We're getting off topic to be honest. You and I might believe different things because of our differing views on whats a baby and what's a blob of cells. Thats fine. But my main thought to pro-choice people is dont demonize pro-life people and act like the choice of when life begins is simple. That is my main point. If you are against killing newborn babies (and correct me if you are not) then I think the question that is really at play here is when does a life begin. And if you find that an easy question I guess you must be a very shallow-minded person --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:898292010] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>CommonStar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CommonStar posted...</cite> <quote>Being pro-choice isn't being anti-life. It's just giving women the choice to abort rather than letting the government decide what they do with their body. I'm sure most women that have had an abortion, their decision wasn't an easy one to make by any means. In an ideal world, people get pregnant because they're well and ready to have kids and are prepared to take on that responsibility physically and financially. However, that's just not always the case.</quote> There are other options. You can give the baby up for adoption. Is foster care great? probably not. Sometimes it may be awful. Personally I know that Id rather have the chance to live though than have somebody decide, with no input from me, that they are going to kill me and not even give me a chance at life. Its not the woman's body Im worried about, its the child's body that concerns me. And yes, the life of a defenseless child that cannot say anything in his favor matters more to me than the comfort of somebody who brought this on themselves in the first place. The question of rape gets much more dicey and to be honest even i would be in favor of letting a rape victim have an abortion though it does sound almost hypocritical. Again, I acnkowledge this is all a complicated issue. But to me, its the fact that a woman knowingly had sex, despite its risks, that makes me think I do not sympathize with them to the extent that I think a child should be killed because of them being stupid.</quote> That's fine. I just think on the topic of abortion, it's not my decision to make or not make, it's up to the mother. But if we're talking about pro-choice and pro-life, I would rather much give women the choice to make it, and it ideally it wouldn't be solely her decision and would include the father's as well. This doesn't mean that all pro-choice women will have an abortion. Of course there should be a limit to how far along the mother before it's not allowed to do an abortion, but I think that's the biggest part of the debate I guess. I'm not a doctor so I don't know.</quote> We're getting off topic to be honest. You and I might believe different things because of our differing views on whats a baby and what's a blob of cells. Thats fine. But my main thought to pro-choice people is dont demonize pro-life people and act like the choice of when life begins is simple. That is my main point. If you are against killing newborn babies (and correct me if you are not) then I think the question that is really at play here is when does a life begin. And if you find that an easy question I guess you must be a very shallow-minded person</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NibeIungsnarf 03/22/18 3:07:16 PM #56:	HHH is the game posted... Its just that by this logic I dont see why you cant kill newborn babies as well, who are equally as unaware of whats going on. Are you seriously not undestanding what the difference here is? You don't NEED to kill a newbon to get rid of it. You NEED to kill a fetus to get it out of your body. Women have a right to bodily autonomy. Nobody has the right to just go up and punch a newborn to death just cause. Even if you don't agree with it, you have to see the difference here, right? Like, seriously? <cite>NibeIungsnarf posted [p:898292024] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote>Its just that by this logic I dont see why you cant kill newborn babies as well, who are equally as unaware of whats going on.</quote> Are you seriously not undestanding what the difference here is? You don't NEED to kill a newbon to get rid of it. You NEED to kill a fetus to get it out of your body. Women have a right to bodily autonomy. Nobody has the right to just go up and punch a newborn to death just cause. Even if you don't agree with it, you have to see the difference here, right? Like, seriously?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 03/22/18 3:07:54 PM #57:	byron posted... HHH is the game posted... Ray-Ray posted... when you birth it, yes as long as its in your body you should be able to do what you want with it I feel like you should lose these rights if your health is not at risk and you created the baby due to your own decision (ie, not rape) Nobody cares about your fee-fees half of all americans do care about his feelings and agree with him so you are wrong <cite>Zikten posted [p:898292058] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>byron posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ray-Ray posted...</cite> <quote>when you birth it, yes as long as its in your body you should be able to do what you want with it</quote> I feel like you should lose these rights if your health is not at risk and you created the baby due to your own decision (ie, not rape)</quote> Nobody cares about your fee-fees</quote> half of all americans do care about his feelings and agree with him so you are wrong</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Second_Chances 03/22/18 3:08:13 PM #58:	does it actually need to be $10k or is it just the system milking as much money as they can out of social norms and and morality I'll just warn you now, I don't know how to deliver a baby <cite>Second_Chances posted [p:898292078] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote>does it actually need to be $10k or is it just the system milking as much money as they can out of social norms and and morality I'll just warn you now, I don't know how to deliver a baby</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JustMonika 03/22/18 3:08:23 PM #59:	Shouldn't you be defending Nazis Zikten? --- https://i.imgur.com/ywpB1ar.gif <cite>JustMonika posted [p:898292089] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote>Shouldn't you be defending Nazis Zikten?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 03/22/18 3:08:38 PM #60:	HHH is the game posted... Ray-Ray posted... it is pretty simple, a human takes refuge in your body you should have choice if you wanna let them or not Yes, exactly. I agree. And when you decide to have sex unprotected, and let the human in your body, then should it not be your responsibility to take care of it? IDK what if they did something I need to deport them? --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:898292105] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ray-Ray posted...</cite> <quote>it is pretty simple, a human takes refuge in your body you should have choice if you wanna let them or not</quote> Yes, exactly. I agree. And when you decide to have sex unprotected, and let the human in your body, then should it not be your responsibility to take care of it?</quote> IDK what if they did something I need to deport them?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HHH is the game 03/22/18 3:08:51 PM #61:	NibeIungsnarf posted... HHH is the game posted... Its just that by this logic I dont see why you cant kill newborn babies as well, who are equally as unaware of whats going on. Are you seriously not undestanding what the difference here is? You don't NEED to kill a newbon to get rid of it. You NEED to kill a fetus to get it out of your body. Women have a right to bodily autonomy. Nobody has the right to just go up and punch a newborn to death just cause. Even if you don't agree with it, you have to see the difference here, right? Like, seriously? That's not the question here. People were saying that the baby will have a bad life in the foster system, so would be better off not existing at all. But to people who believe the fetus is alive, this is saying that because a baby will not have a good life, he should be killed. --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:898292119] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>NibeIungsnarf posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote>Its just that by this logic I dont see why you cant kill newborn babies as well, who are equally as unaware of whats going on.</quote> Are you seriously not undestanding what the difference here is? You don't NEED to kill a newbon to get rid of it. You NEED to kill a fetus to get it out of your body. Women have a right to bodily autonomy. Nobody has the right to just go up and punch a newborn to death just cause. Even if you don't agree with it, you have to see the difference here, right? Like, seriously?</quote> That's not the question here. People were saying that the baby will have a bad life in the foster system, so would be better off not existing at all. But to people who believe the fetus is alive, this is saying that because a baby will not have a good life, he should be killed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 03/22/18 3:09:19 PM #62:	Zikten posted... byron posted... HHH is the game posted... Ray-Ray posted... when you birth it, yes as long as its in your body you should be able to do what you want with it I feel like you should lose these rights if your health is not at risk and you created the baby due to your own decision (ie, not rape) Nobody cares about your fee-fees half of all americans do care about his feelings and agree with him so you are wrong [Citation Needed] <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:898292148] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote><cite>byron posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ray-Ray posted...</cite> <quote>when you birth it, yes as long as its in your body you should be able to do what you want with it</quote> I feel like you should lose these rights if your health is not at risk and you created the baby due to your own decision (ie, not rape)</quote> Nobody cares about your fee-fees</quote> half of all americans do care about his feelings and agree with him so you are wrong</quote> [Citation Needed]</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ray-Ray 03/22/18 3:09:29 PM #63:	HHH is the game posted... If you are against killing newborn babies (and correct me if you are not) then I think the question that is really at play here is when does a life begin. And if you find that an easy question I guess you must be a very shallow-minded person its not the question is does one person have a right to another person's body if a fetus could communicate this might be a different situation, as it is though its one person's body and two entities rights favor the owner --- Wut its like den hahmie? <cite>Ray-Ray posted [p:898292155] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote>If you are against killing newborn babies (and correct me if you are not) then I think the question that is really at play here is when does a life begin. And if you find that an easy question I guess you must be a very shallow-minded person </quote> its not the question is does one person have a right to another person's body if a fetus could communicate this might be a different situation, as it is though its one person's body and two entities rights favor the owner</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HHH is the game 03/22/18 3:09:51 PM #64:	byron posted... HHH is the game posted... Ray-Ray posted... when you birth it, yes as long as its in your body you should be able to do what you want with it I feel like you should lose these rights if your health is not at risk and you created the baby due to your own decision (ie, not rape) Nobody cares about your fee-fees Anybody who talks like this about the lives of children is quite honestly pretty sick and it scares me that pro-life come off like the bad guy while pro-choice people belittle the other side and talk about 'fee-fees' in an argument about the life of a child --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:898292181] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>byron posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ray-Ray posted...</cite> <quote>when you birth it, yes as long as its in your body you should be able to do what you want with it</quote> I feel like you should lose these rights if your health is not at risk and you created the baby due to your own decision (ie, not rape)</quote> Nobody cares about your fee-fees</quote> Anybody who talks like this about the lives of children is quite honestly pretty sick and it scares me that pro-life come off like the bad guy while pro-choice people belittle the other side and talk about 'fee-fees' in an argument about the life of a child</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonStar 03/22/18 3:10:32 PM #65:	HHH is the game posted... CommonStar posted... HHH is the game posted... CommonStar posted... Being pro-choice isn't being anti-life. It's just giving women the choice to abort rather than letting the government decide what they do with their body. I'm sure most women that have had an abortion, their decision wasn't an easy one to make by any means. In an ideal world, people get pregnant because they're well and ready to have kids and are prepared to take on that responsibility physically and financially. However, that's just not always the case. There are other options. You can give the baby up for adoption. Is foster care great? probably not. Sometimes it may be awful. Personally I know that Id rather have the chance to live though than have somebody decide, with no input from me, that they are going to kill me and not even give me a chance at life. Its not the woman's body Im worried about, its the child's body that concerns me. And yes, the life of a defenseless child that cannot say anything in his favor matters more to me than the comfort of somebody who brought this on themselves in the first place. The question of rape gets much more dicey and to be honest even i would be in favor of letting a rape victim have an abortion though it does sound almost hypocritical. Again, I acnkowledge this is all a complicated issue. But to me, its the fact that a woman knowingly had sex, despite its risks, that makes me think I do not sympathize with them to the extent that I think a child should be killed because of them being stupid. That's fine. I just think on the topic of abortion, it's not my decision to make or not make, it's up to the mother. But if we're talking about pro-choice and pro-life, I would rather much give women the choice to make it, and it ideally it wouldn't be solely her decision and would include the father's as well. This doesn't mean that all pro-choice women will have an abortion. Of course there should be a limit to how far along the mother before it's not allowed to do an abortion, but I think that's the biggest part of the debate I guess. I'm not a doctor so I don't know. We're getting off topic to be honest. You and I might believe different things because of our differing views on whats a baby and what's a blob of cells. Thats fine. But my main thought to pro-choice people is dont demonize pro-life people and act like the choice of when life begins is simple. That is my main point. If you are against killing newborn babies (and correct me if you are not) then I think the question that is really at play here is when does a life begin. And if you find that an easy question I guess you must be a very shallow-minded person I agree with your main thought, but I think that goes both ways. Pro-lifers shouldn't demonize pro-choice people either. <cite>CommonStar posted [p:898292224] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CommonStar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CommonStar posted...</cite> <quote>Being pro-choice isn't being anti-life. It's just giving women the choice to abort rather than letting the government decide what they do with their body. I'm sure most women that have had an abortion, their decision wasn't an easy one to make by any means. In an ideal world, people get pregnant because they're well and ready to have kids and are prepared to take on that responsibility physically and financially. However, that's just not always the case.</quote> There are other options. You can give the baby up for adoption. Is foster care great? probably not. Sometimes it may be awful. Personally I know that Id rather have the chance to live though than have somebody decide, with no input from me, that they are going to kill me and not even give me a chance at life. Its not the woman's body Im worried about, its the child's body that concerns me. And yes, the life of a defenseless child that cannot say anything in his favor matters more to me than the comfort of somebody who brought this on themselves in the first place. The question of rape gets much more dicey and to be honest even i would be in favor of letting a rape victim have an abortion though it does sound almost hypocritical. Again, I acnkowledge this is all a complicated issue. But to me, its the fact that a woman knowingly had sex, despite its risks, that makes me think I do not sympathize with them to the extent that I think a child should be killed because of them being stupid.</quote> That's fine. I just think on the topic of abortion, it's not my decision to make or not make, it's up to the mother. But if we're talking about pro-choice and pro-life, I would rather much give women the choice to make it, and it ideally it wouldn't be solely her decision and would include the father's as well. This doesn't mean that all pro-choice women will have an abortion. Of course there should be a limit to how far along the mother before it's not allowed to do an abortion, but I think that's the biggest part of the debate I guess. I'm not a doctor so I don't know.</quote> We're getting off topic to be honest. You and I might believe different things because of our differing views on whats a baby and what's a blob of cells. Thats fine. But my main thought to pro-choice people is dont demonize pro-life people and act like the choice of when life begins is simple. That is my main point. If you are against killing newborn babies (and correct me if you are not) then I think the question that is really at play here is when does a life begin. And if you find that an easy question I guess you must be a very shallow-minded person</quote> I agree with your main thought, but I think that goes both ways. Pro-lifers shouldn't demonize pro-choice people either.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 03/22/18 3:11:07 PM #66:	HHH is the game posted... People were saying that the baby will have a bad life in the foster system, so would be better off not existing at all. also they are wrong because sometimes things turn out for the better. you never what fate has in store. I have an adopted sister who wasn't adopted until she was 8 years old. she lived in foster care and orphanages but now she is 21 and happy and has a job and a dog, and drives and likes her life. things change. anyone who claims to know for a fact the child will never have a good life is full of shit. unless you can see the future, you are making up shit to justify your viewpoint <cite>Zikten posted [p:898292255] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote>People were saying that the baby will have a bad life in the foster system, so would be better off not existing at all. </quote> also they are wrong because sometimes things turn out for the better. you never what fate has in store. I have an adopted sister who wasn't adopted until she was 8 years old. she lived in foster care and orphanages but now she is 21 and happy and has a job and a dog, and drives and likes her life. things change. anyone who claims to know for a fact the child will never have a good life is full of shit. unless you can see the future, you are making up shit to justify your viewpoint</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Goggalor_ 03/22/18 3:11:11 PM #67:	HHH is the game posted... byron posted... HHH is the game posted... Ray-Ray posted... when you birth it, yes as long as its in your body you should be able to do what you want with it I feel like you should lose these rights if your health is not at risk and you created the baby due to your own decision (ie, not rape) Nobody cares about your fee-fees Anybody who talks like this about the lives of children is quite honestly pretty sick and it scares me that pro-life come off like the bad guy while pro-choice people belittle the other side and talk about 'fee-fees' in an argument about the life of a child He's right though. Your feelings are irrelevant to the lives of others. --- Now playing: Bloodborne <cite>_Goggalor_ posted [p:898292259] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>byron posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ray-Ray posted...</cite> <quote>when you birth it, yes as long as its in your body you should be able to do what you want with it</quote> I feel like you should lose these rights if your health is not at risk and you created the baby due to your own decision (ie, not rape)</quote> Nobody cares about your fee-fees</quote> Anybody who talks like this about the lives of children is quite honestly pretty sick and it scares me that pro-life come off like the bad guy while pro-choice people belittle the other side and talk about 'fee-fees' in an argument about the life of a child</quote> He's right though. Your feelings are irrelevant to the lives of others.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 03/22/18 3:11:36 PM #68:	_Rinku_ posted... [Citation Needed] it's called the war between pro choice and pro life. <cite>Zikten posted [p:898292283] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote>[Citation Needed]</quote> it's called the war between pro choice and pro life.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JustMonika 03/22/18 3:11:42 PM #69:	Just give all the unwanted babies to Zikten. --- https://i.imgur.com/ywpB1ar.gif <cite>JustMonika posted [p:898292287] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote>Just give all the unwanted babies to Zikten.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HHH is the game 03/22/18 3:11:52 PM #70:	thronedfire2 posted... HHH is the game posted... meestermj posted... Do any of you realize how expensive it is to simply give birth? $10,000 at the low end. That's fucking insane. Forcing someone to carry to term and then having them pay $10,000+ for it, then sending that child into the horrendous adoption system, is completely inhumane. I can only speak for myself but I would much rather go into the adoption system than never get a chance to be alive at all. And everybody seems to be ignoring the fact that the woman did not just randomly become pregnant one day. They had to have sex to get pregnant. Even with sex, there are ways to prevent getting pregnant. The woman chose to do this knowing what could happen. Nobody is forcing them to do anything, because nobody is forcing them to have sex. But if they are going to, they should accept the responsibilities and that now a human life depends on them. The problem is that most of the pro life people are the same idiots preaching abstinence only sex education I would definitely not agree with abstinence only sex education, though I do believe its important to note that if you do not want the responsibility of the child, abstinence is the only way to 100% guarantee that. I have no problem with people having sex, so long as they accept that a child might be formed and this is a very big risk and they should be responsible for it if so. Of course birth control should also be available to them to decide to do whatever they want to do. But if they do have sex and get pregnant dont act like they had no idea this could happen --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:898292306] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>thronedfire2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meestermj posted...</cite> <quote>Do any of you realize how expensive it is to simply give birth? $10,000 at the low end. That's fucking insane. Forcing someone to carry to term and then having them pay $10,000+ for it, then sending that child into the horrendous adoption system, is completely inhumane.</quote> I can only speak for myself but I would much rather go into the adoption system than never get a chance to be alive at all. And everybody seems to be ignoring the fact that the woman did not just randomly become pregnant one day. They had to have sex to get pregnant. Even with sex, there are ways to prevent getting pregnant. The woman chose to do this knowing what could happen. Nobody is forcing them to do anything, because nobody is forcing them to have sex. But if they are going to, they should accept the responsibilities and that now a human life depends on them.</quote> The problem is that most of the pro life people are the same idiots preaching abstinence only sex education</quote> I would definitely not agree with abstinence only sex education, though I do believe its important to note that if you do not want the responsibility of the child, abstinence is the only way to 100% guarantee that. I have no problem with people having sex, so long as they accept that a child might be formed and this is a very big risk and they should be responsible for it if so. Of course birth control should also be available to them to decide to do whatever they want to do. But if they do have sex and get pregnant dont act like they had no idea this could happen</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pepys Monster 03/22/18 3:11:54 PM #71:	Zikten posted... Pepys Monster posted... What if she wanted to abort the baby? Would you tell her "no, don't abort it!"? Who in their right mind would? I would tell her that she shouldn't but I would be divorcing her too and she is legally allowed to and I wouldn't be able to stop her. all I could do is tell her I think it's wrong and then wipe my hands of it. to make it clear, I would divorce her whether she gets the abortion or not. I am divorcing her cause she cheated on me Imagine thinking that a modern American woman is never once going to cheat on you. --- I <3 my bae. <cite>Pepys Monster posted [p:898292310] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Pepys Monster posted...</cite> <quote>What if she wanted to abort the baby? Would you tell her "no, don't abort it!"? Who in their right mind would?</quote> I would tell her that she shouldn't but I would be divorcing her too and she is legally allowed to and I wouldn't be able to stop her. all I could do is tell her I think it's wrong and then wipe my hands of it. to make it clear, I would divorce her whether she gets the abortion or not. I am divorcing her cause she cheated on me</quote> Imagine thinking that a modern American woman is never once going to cheat on you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 03/22/18 3:13:18 PM #72:	You know what really bothers me about anti-abortionists? The argument that it can be "given for adoption". Hey, "pro-lifers" there are tens of thousands of children without parental figures right now. Go adopt some of them. Take the personal responsibility that your ideology endorses. And what else is funny is that it's very likely these same people would consider single parents an immediate no for a relationship. --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:898292395] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote>You know what really bothers me about anti-abortionists? The argument that it can be "given for adoption". Hey, "pro-lifers" there are tens of thousands of children without parental figures right now. Go adopt some of them. Take the personal responsibility that your ideology endorses. And what else is funny is that it's very likely these same people would consider single parents an immediate no for a relationship.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 03/22/18 3:13:32 PM #73:	_Goggalor_ posted... He's right though. Your feelings are irrelevant to the lives of others. but the feelings of pro choice people are justification to end a life? pro choice people's feelings magically relevant when it directly concerns the continued or stopped existence of a baby? <cite>Zikten posted [p:898292411] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Goggalor_ posted...</cite> <quote>He's right though. Your feelings are irrelevant to the lives of others.</quote> but the feelings of pro choice people are justification to end a life? pro choice people's feelings magically relevant when it directly concerns the continued or stopped existence of a baby?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HHH is the game 03/22/18 3:13:35 PM #74:	Musourenka posted... HHH is the game posted... Ray-Ray posted... when you birth it, yes as long as its in your body you should be able to do what you want with it I feel like you should lose these rights if your health is not at risk and you created the baby due to your own decision (ie, not rape) I don't think how the pregnancy started should have any effect on whether the baby has a right to life. If abortion is banned because of the baby's life, then whether the conception was due to rape should not factor into it. As for me, I'm pro-choice up until the third trimester or so (basically when the fetus is viable, since if you're going to have an abortion at that point, you might as well try to keep the baby alive). It definitely does seem hypocritical and to me it is a very tough question. I agree with what youre saying in theory, but I also agree that we end up with a difficult situation if the woman was forced into the pregnancy in the first place, because she did not have the chance to prevent it (whereas somebody who got pregnant naturally had the chance to avoid this situation but chose not to) --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:898292416] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Musourenka posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ray-Ray posted...</cite> <quote>when you birth it, yes as long as its in your body you should be able to do what you want with it</quote> I feel like you should lose these rights if your health is not at risk and you created the baby due to your own decision (ie, not rape)</quote> I don't think how the pregnancy started should have any effect on whether the baby has a right to life. If abortion is banned because of the baby's life, then whether the conception was due to rape should not factor into it. As for me, I'm pro-choice up until the third trimester or so (basically when the fetus is viable, since if you're going to have an abortion at that point, you might as well try to keep the baby alive).</quote> It definitely does seem hypocritical and to me it is a very tough question. I agree with what youre saying in theory, but I also agree that we end up with a difficult situation if the woman was forced into the pregnancy in the first place, because she did not have the chance to prevent it (whereas somebody who got pregnant naturally had the chance to avoid this situation but chose not to)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Goggalor_ 03/22/18 3:14:12 PM #75:	Zikten posted... _Goggalor_ posted... He's right though. Your feelings are irrelevant to the lives of others. but the feelings of pro choice people are justification to end a life? pro choice people's feelings magically relevant when it directly concerns the continued or stopped existence of a baby? Yeah, it matters becsuse it's their body. That's how it works. --- Now playing: Bloodborne <cite>_Goggalor_ posted [p:898292452] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Goggalor_ posted...</cite> <quote>He's right though. Your feelings are irrelevant to the lives of others.</quote> but the feelings of pro choice people are justification to end a life? pro choice people's feelings magically relevant when it directly concerns the continued or stopped existence of a baby?</quote> Yeah, it matters becsuse it's their body. That's how it works.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HHH is the game 03/22/18 3:14:26 PM #76:	GiftedACIII posted... You know what really bothers me about anti-abortionists? The argument that it can be "given for adoption". Hey, "pro-lifers" there are tens of thousands of children without parental figures right now. Go adopt some of them. Take the personal responsibility that your ideology endorses. And what else is funny is that it's very likely these same people would consider single parents an immediate no for a relationship. I don't see why the buden is on the pro-lifers not wanting a child to be killed, and not on the women that are having more babies they can't take care of? --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:898292469] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote>You know what really bothers me about anti-abortionists? The argument that it can be "given for adoption". Hey, "pro-lifers" there are tens of thousands of children without parental figures right now. Go adopt some of them. Take the personal responsibility that your ideology endorses. And what else is funny is that it's very likely these same people would consider single parents an immediate no for a relationship.</quote> I don't see why the buden is on the pro-lifers not wanting a child to be killed, and not on the women that are having more babies they can't take care of?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 03/22/18 3:14:48 PM #77:	GiftedACIII posted... You know what really bothers me about anti-abortionists? The argument that it can be "given for adoption". Hey, "pro-lifers" there are tens of thousands of children without parental figures right now. Go adopt some of them. Take the personal responsibility that your ideology endorses. And what else is funny is that it's very likely these same people would consider single parents an immediate no for a relationship. my parents already did. so I can talk about this. my family saved a young girl. what did you do? <cite>Zikten posted [p:898292487] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote>You know what really bothers me about anti-abortionists? The argument that it can be "given for adoption". Hey, "pro-lifers" there are tens of thousands of children without parental figures right now. Go adopt some of them. Take the personal responsibility that your ideology endorses. And what else is funny is that it's very likely these same people would consider single parents an immediate no for a relationship.</quote> my parents already did. so I can talk about this. my family saved a young girl. what did you do?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 03/22/18 3:15:04 PM #78:	Zikten posted... _Rinku_ posted... [Citation Needed] it's called the war between pro choice and pro life. So you just pulled it out of your ass, got it. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:898292501] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote>[Citation Needed]</quote> it's called the war between pro choice and pro life.</quote> So you just pulled it out of your ass, got it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HHH is the game 03/22/18 3:15:24 PM #79:	_Goggalor_ posted... Zikten posted... _Goggalor_ posted... He's right though. Your feelings are irrelevant to the lives of others. but the feelings of pro choice people are justification to end a life? pro choice people's feelings magically relevant when it directly concerns the continued or stopped existence of a baby? Yeah, it matters becsuse it's their body. That's how it works. Yes, the lives of children are unimportant. This is not a complicated question at all that involves the extinguishing of a human life. Its not worth giving any consideration. Its totally simple, and the death of a child is a trifling thing to not even be worried about. This is what disgusts me about pro-choice. Its not the idea that they feel that way. Its that they don't even give any respect at all to the enormity of what they're talking about. --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:898292526] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Goggalor_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Goggalor_ posted...</cite> <quote>He's right though. Your feelings are irrelevant to the lives of others.</quote> but the feelings of pro choice people are justification to end a life? pro choice people's feelings magically relevant when it directly concerns the continued or stopped existence of a baby?</quote> Yeah, it matters becsuse it's their body. That's how it works.</quote> Yes, the lives of children are unimportant. This is not a complicated question at all that involves the extinguishing of a human life. Its not worth giving any consideration. Its totally simple, and the death of a child is a trifling thing to not even be worried about. This is what disgusts me about pro-choice. Its not the idea that they feel that way. Its that they don't even give any respect at all to the enormity of what they're talking about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 03/22/18 3:15:37 PM #80:	_Goggalor_ posted... Zikten posted... _Goggalor_ posted... He's right though. Your feelings are irrelevant to the lives of others. but the feelings of pro choice people are justification to end a life? pro choice people's feelings magically relevant when it directly concerns the continued or stopped existence of a baby? Yeah, it matters becsuse it's their body. That's how it works. it's hypocritical to say that pro choice people's feelings matter but that pro life's feelings don't matter. especially when you admit you don't give one fuck about the feelings of the baby <cite>Zikten posted [p:898292541] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Goggalor_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Goggalor_ posted...</cite> <quote>He's right though. Your feelings are irrelevant to the lives of others.</quote> but the feelings of pro choice people are justification to end a life? pro choice people's feelings magically relevant when it directly concerns the continued or stopped existence of a baby?</quote> Yeah, it matters becsuse it's their body. That's how it works.</quote> it's hypocritical to say that pro choice people's feelings matter but that pro life's feelings don't matter. especially when you admit you don't give one fuck about the feelings of the baby</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NibeIungsnarf 03/22/18 3:15:55 PM #81:	It's pretty ironic that TC whines that pro-life people don't empathize with the other side, but all throughout this topic I've not once seen him genuinely do that exact thing. Topic has become an irredeemable shitshow. Zikten has infected the whole thing with his gigantic shitposts and now SageHarpy is here too. Time to abandon ship. <cite>NibeIungsnarf posted [p:898292558] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote>It's pretty ironic that TC whines that pro-life people don't empathize with the other side, but all throughout this topic I've not once seen him genuinely do that exact thing. Topic has become an irredeemable shitshow. Zikten has infected the whole thing with his gigantic shitposts and now SageHarpy is here too. Time to abandon ship.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Goggalor_ 03/22/18 3:16:02 PM #82:	HHH is the game posted... _Goggalor_ posted... Zikten posted... _Goggalor_ posted... He's right though. Your feelings are irrelevant to the lives of others. but the feelings of pro choice people are justification to end a life? pro choice people's feelings magically relevant when it directly concerns the continued or stopped existence of a baby? Yeah, it matters becsuse it's their body. That's how it works. Yes, the lives of children are unimportant. This is not a complicated question at all that involves the extinguishing of a human life. Its not worth giving any consideration. Its totally simple, and the death of a child is a trifling thing to not even be worried about. This is what disgusts me about pro-choice. Its not the idea that they feel that way. Its that they don't even give any respect at all to the enormity of what they're talking about. Fetuses arent children. --- Now playing: Bloodborne <cite>_Goggalor_ posted [p:898292569] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Goggalor_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Goggalor_ posted...</cite> <quote>He's right though. Your feelings are irrelevant to the lives of others.</quote> but the feelings of pro choice people are justification to end a life? pro choice people's feelings magically relevant when it directly concerns the continued or stopped existence of a baby?</quote> Yeah, it matters becsuse it's their body. That's how it works.</quote> Yes, the lives of children are unimportant. This is not a complicated question at all that involves the extinguishing of a human life. Its not worth giving any consideration. Its totally simple, and the death of a child is a trifling thing to not even be worried about. This is what disgusts me about pro-choice. Its not the idea that they feel that way. Its that they don't even give any respect at all to the enormity of what they're talking about.</quote> Fetuses arent children.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JustMonika 03/22/18 3:16:13 PM #83:	Zikten posted... baby There's no baby involved. --- https://i.imgur.com/ywpB1ar.gif <cite>JustMonika posted [p:898292582] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>baby</quote> There's no baby involved.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 03/22/18 3:16:19 PM #84:	_Rinku_ posted... Zikten posted... _Rinku_ posted... [Citation Needed] it's called the war between pro choice and pro life. So you just pulled it out of your ass, got it. no. it's literally a fact. half the country is pro life. half the country would agree with TC if they were on this board. the war over abortion is split down the middle and that's why it's so controversial <cite>Zikten posted [p:898292587] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote>[Citation Needed]</quote> it's called the war between pro choice and pro life.</quote> So you just pulled it out of your ass, got it.</quote> no. it's literally a fact. half the country is pro life. half the country would agree with TC if they were on this board. the war over abortion is split down the middle and that's why it's so controversial</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HHH is the game 03/22/18 3:16:55 PM #85:	CommonStar posted... HHH is the game posted... CommonStar posted... HHH is the game posted... CommonStar posted... Being pro-choice isn't being anti-life. It's just giving women the choice to abort rather than letting the government decide what they do with their body. I'm sure most women that have had an abortion, their decision wasn't an easy one to make by any means. In an ideal world, people get pregnant because they're well and ready to have kids and are prepared to take on that responsibility physically and financially. However, that's just not always the case. There are other options. You can give the baby up for adoption. Is foster care great? probably not. Sometimes it may be awful. Personally I know that Id rather have the chance to live though than have somebody decide, with no input from me, that they are going to kill me and not even give me a chance at life. Its not the woman's body Im worried about, its the child's body that concerns me. And yes, the life of a defenseless child that cannot say anything in his favor matters more to me than the comfort of somebody who brought this on themselves in the first place. The question of rape gets much more dicey and to be honest even i would be in favor of letting a rape victim have an abortion though it does sound almost hypocritical. Again, I acnkowledge this is all a complicated issue. But to me, its the fact that a woman knowingly had sex, despite its risks, that makes me think I do not sympathize with them to the extent that I think a child should be killed because of them being stupid. That's fine. I just think on the topic of abortion, it's not my decision to make or not make, it's up to the mother. But if we're talking about pro-choice and pro-life, I would rather much give women the choice to make it, and it ideally it wouldn't be solely her decision and would include the father's as well. This doesn't mean that all pro-choice women will have an abortion. Of course there should be a limit to how far along the mother before it's not allowed to do an abortion, but I think that's the biggest part of the debate I guess. I'm not a doctor so I don't know. We're getting off topic to be honest. You and I might believe different things because of our differing views on whats a baby and what's a blob of cells. Thats fine. But my main thought to pro-choice people is dont demonize pro-life people and act like the choice of when life begins is simple. That is my main point. If you are against killing newborn babies (and correct me if you are not) then I think the question that is really at play here is when does a life begin. And if you find that an easy question I guess you must be a very shallow-minded person I agree with your main thought, but I think that goes both ways. Pro-lifers shouldn't demonize pro-choice people either. Im not demonizing pro choice people, Im demonizing pro choice people that have no respect for the issue they're talking about. --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:898292630] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>CommonStar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CommonStar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CommonStar posted...</cite> <quote>Being pro-choice isn't being anti-life. It's just giving women the choice to abort rather than letting the government decide what they do with their body. I'm sure most women that have had an abortion, their decision wasn't an easy one to make by any means. In an ideal world, people get pregnant because they're well and ready to have kids and are prepared to take on that responsibility physically and financially. However, that's just not always the case.</quote> There are other options. You can give the baby up for adoption. Is foster care great? probably not. Sometimes it may be awful. Personally I know that Id rather have the chance to live though than have somebody decide, with no input from me, that they are going to kill me and not even give me a chance at life. Its not the woman's body Im worried about, its the child's body that concerns me. And yes, the life of a defenseless child that cannot say anything in his favor matters more to me than the comfort of somebody who brought this on themselves in the first place. The question of rape gets much more dicey and to be honest even i would be in favor of letting a rape victim have an abortion though it does sound almost hypocritical. Again, I acnkowledge this is all a complicated issue. But to me, its the fact that a woman knowingly had sex, despite its risks, that makes me think I do not sympathize with them to the extent that I think a child should be killed because of them being stupid.</quote> That's fine. I just think on the topic of abortion, it's not my decision to make or not make, it's up to the mother. But if we're talking about pro-choice and pro-life, I would rather much give women the choice to make it, and it ideally it wouldn't be solely her decision and would include the father's as well. This doesn't mean that all pro-choice women will have an abortion. Of course there should be a limit to how far along the mother before it's not allowed to do an abortion, but I think that's the biggest part of the debate I guess. I'm not a doctor so I don't know.</quote> We're getting off topic to be honest. You and I might believe different things because of our differing views on whats a baby and what's a blob of cells. Thats fine. But my main thought to pro-choice people is dont demonize pro-life people and act like the choice of when life begins is simple. That is my main point. If you are against killing newborn babies (and correct me if you are not) then I think the question that is really at play here is when does a life begin. And if you find that an easy question I guess you must be a very shallow-minded person</quote> I agree with your main thought, but I think that goes both ways. Pro-lifers shouldn't demonize pro-choice people either.</quote> Im not demonizing pro choice people, Im demonizing pro choice people that have no respect for the issue they're talking about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 03/22/18 3:17:26 PM #86:	Zikten posted... _Rinku_ posted... Zikten posted... _Rinku_ posted... [Citation Needed] it's called the war between pro choice and pro life. So you just pulled it out of your ass, got it. no. it's literally a fact. half the country is pro life. half the country would agree with TC if they were on this board. the war over abortion is split down the middle and that's why it's so controversial Provide a citation. A poll from a refutable source. Something that backs up your assertion that "half of the country" feels that way. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:898292655] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote>[Citation Needed]</quote> it's called the war between pro choice and pro life.</quote> So you just pulled it out of your ass, got it.</quote> no. it's literally a fact. half the country is pro life. half the country would agree with TC if they were on this board. the war over abortion is split down the middle and that's why it's so controversial</quote> Provide a citation. A poll from a refutable source. Something that backs up your assertion that "half of the country" feels that way.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 03/22/18 3:18:35 PM #87:	http://www.lifenews.com/2016/11/28/new-poll-percentage-of-people-who-call-themselves-pro-life-at-highest-level-in-over-two-years/ Fifty percent (50%) believe abortion is morally wrong most of the time, up four points from April of last year and the highest finding since mid-2014. Thirty-four percent (34%) disagree and consider it morally acceptable in most instances, unchanged from the previous survey. A sizable 17% are undecided Women by a 46% to 36% margin tend to see abortion as being morally wrong than acceptable most times; men feel more strongly that it is morally wrong in most cases. <cite>Zikten posted [p:898292720] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote>http://www.lifenews.com/2016/11/28/new-poll-percentage-of-people-who-call-themselves-pro-life-at-highest-level-in-over-two-years/ <quote>Fifty percent (50%) believe abortion is morally wrong most of the time, up four points from April of last year and the highest finding since mid-2014. Thirty-four percent (34%) disagree and consider it morally acceptable in most instances, unchanged from the previous survey. A sizable 17% are undecided Women by a 46% to 36% margin tend to see abortion as being morally wrong than acceptable most times; men feel more strongly that it is morally wrong in most cases.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 03/22/18 3:19:13 PM #88:	Ive never understood the pro-life argument. Its literally telling people how to live their life and thinking youre morally better than the other side. Like, how is that morally better? I dont like your decision so Im gonna make you do what I want! Like, if you dont want an abortion, dont fucking have one. Also, people say just give it up for adoption, yet dont want to put any money towards the already overburdened adoption services and the foster home system. Like, what do you expect the kid to do? And finally, they act like having an abortion is an easy choice. Because it isnt. tl;dr - pro-life argument sucks because its just telling people how to live their life --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:898292760] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote>Ive never understood the pro-life argument. Its literally telling people how to live their life and thinking youre morally better than the other side. Like, how is that morally better? I dont like your decision so Im gonna make you do what I want! Like, if you dont want an abortion, dont fucking have one. Also, people say just give it up for adoption, yet dont want to put any money towards the already overburdened adoption services and the foster home system. Like, what do you expect the kid to do? And finally, they act like having an abortion is an easy choice. Because it isnt. tl;dr - pro-life argument sucks because its just telling people how to live their life</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Proclose 03/22/18 3:19:34 PM #89:	"Lifenews.com" Get outta here with that shit --- Posted with GameRaven 3.4 <cite>Proclose posted [p:898292774] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote>"Lifenews.com" Get outta here with that shit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HHH is the game 03/22/18 3:19:42 PM #90:	NibeIungsnarf posted... It's pretty ironic that TC whines that pro-life people don't empathize with the other side, but all throughout this topic I've not once seen him genuinely do that exact thing. Topic has become an irredeemable shitshow. Zikten has infected the whole thing with his gigantic shitposts and now SageHarpy is here too. Time to abandon ship. Ive said my opinion, but Ive also said its a complex issue. If somebody wants to argue that they do not believe that a fetus is a life, and they believe life starts in say...the third trimester, because the brain is not developed or something like that, then fine, that is a complicated question I can't pretend to know the answers too. But when people mock somebody's "fee-fees" when they try to talk about the death of children? Yeah, Im not giving that any weight. --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:898292783] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>NibeIungsnarf posted...</cite> <quote>It's pretty ironic that TC whines that pro-life people don't empathize with the other side, but all throughout this topic I've not once seen him genuinely do that exact thing. Topic has become an irredeemable shitshow. Zikten has infected the whole thing with his gigantic shitposts and now SageHarpy is here too. Time to abandon ship.</quote> Ive said my opinion, but Ive also said its a complex issue. If somebody wants to argue that they do not believe that a fetus is a life, and they believe life starts in say...the third trimester, because the brain is not developed or something like that, then fine, that is a complicated question I can't pretend to know the answers too. But when people mock somebody's "fee-fees" when they try to talk about the death of children? Yeah, Im not giving that any weight.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 03/22/18 3:20:37 PM #91:	Zikten posted... http://www.lifenews.com/2016/11/28/new-poll-percentage-of-people-who-call-themselves-pro-life-at-highest-level-in-over-two-years/ Fifty percent (50%) believe abortion is morally wrong most of the time, up four points from April of last year and the highest finding since mid-2014. Thirty-four percent (34%) disagree and consider it morally acceptable in most instances, unchanged from the previous survey. A sizable 17% are undecided Women by a 46% to 36% margin tend to see abortion as being morally wrong than acceptable most times; men feel more strongly that it is morally wrong in most cases. 1) 2016 link 2) https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/life-news/ Fact reporting: MIXED --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:898292826] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>http://www.lifenews.com/2016/11/28/new-poll-percentage-of-people-who-call-themselves-pro-life-at-highest-level-in-over-two-years/ <quote>Fifty percent (50%) believe abortion is morally wrong most of the time, up four points from April of last year and the highest finding since mid-2014. Thirty-four percent (34%) disagree and consider it morally acceptable in most instances, unchanged from the previous survey. A sizable 17% are undecided Women by a 46% to 36% margin tend to see abortion as being morally wrong than acceptable most times; men feel more strongly that it is morally wrong in most cases.</quote></quote> 1) 2016 link 2) https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/life-news/ Fact reporting: MIXED</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HHH is the game 03/22/18 3:21:25 PM #92:	sktgamer_13dude posted... Ive never understood the pro-life argument. Its literally telling people how to live their life and thinking youre morally better than the other side. Like, how is that morally better? I dont like your decision so Im gonna make you do what I want! Like, if you dont want an abortion, dont fucking have one. Also, people say just give it up for adoption, yet dont want to put any money towards the already overburdened adoption services and the foster home system. Like, what do you expect the kid to do? And finally, they act like having an abortion is an easy choice. Because it isnt. tl;dr - pro-life argument sucks because its just telling people how to live their life I think the problem is that these children cannot defend themselves, and so unfortunately they need to be defended. People can live their lives how they want, I personally do not believe murder should be something they are allowed to do. Having any laws at all is telling people how to live their lives. We tell people they can't steal, they can't drink and drive, we tell them that they can't kill, they can't use cocaine. You may disagree on what laws are valid and which are not, but the concept of telling people how to live their lives especially when affecting other people is certainly nothing new --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:898292879] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote>Ive never understood the pro-life argument. Its literally telling people how to live their life and thinking youre morally better than the other side. Like, how is that morally better? I dont like your decision so Im gonna make you do what I want! Like, if you dont want an abortion, dont fucking have one. Also, people say just give it up for adoption, yet dont want to put any money towards the already overburdened adoption services and the foster home system. Like, what do you expect the kid to do? And finally, they act like having an abortion is an easy choice. Because it isnt. tl;dr - pro-life argument sucks because its just telling people how to live their life</quote> I think the problem is that these children cannot defend themselves, and so unfortunately they need to be defended. People can live their lives how they want, I personally do not believe murder should be something they are allowed to do. Having any laws at all is telling people how to live their lives. We tell people they can't steal, they can't drink and drive, we tell them that they can't kill, they can't use cocaine. You may disagree on what laws are valid and which are not, but the concept of telling people how to live their lives especially when affecting other people is certainly nothing new</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 03/22/18 3:21:32 PM #93:	All sperm are potential babies. It should be illegal to jerk off. Punishable by death. --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:898292885] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote>All sperm are potential babies. It should be illegal to jerk off. Punishable by death.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 03/22/18 3:21:38 PM #94:	Zikten posted... http://www.lifenews.com/2016/11/28/new-poll-percentage-of-people-who-call-themselves-pro-life-at-highest-level-in-over-two-years/ Fifty percent (50%) believe abortion is morally wrong most of the time, up four points from April of last year and the highest finding since mid-2014. Thirty-four percent (34%) disagree and consider it morally acceptable in most instances, unchanged from the previous survey. A sizable 17% are undecided Women by a 46% to 36% margin tend to see abortion as being morally wrong than acceptable most times; men feel more strongly that it is morally wrong in most cases. LMAO LifeNews.com is an independent news agency devoted to reporting news that affects the pro-life community. It's like you intentionally went for a biased source. Try again, buddy. Or don't. We all know your game at this point. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:898292895] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>http://www.lifenews.com/2016/11/28/new-poll-percentage-of-people-who-call-themselves-pro-life-at-highest-level-in-over-two-years/ <quote>Fifty percent (50%) believe abortion is morally wrong most of the time, up four points from April of last year and the highest finding since mid-2014. Thirty-four percent (34%) disagree and consider it morally acceptable in most instances, unchanged from the previous survey. A sizable 17% are undecided Women by a 46% to 36% margin tend to see abortion as being morally wrong than acceptable most times; men feel more strongly that it is morally wrong in most cases.</quote></quote> LMAO <quote>LifeNews.com is an independent news agency devoted to reporting news that affects the pro-life community.</quote> It's like you intentionally went for a biased source. Try again, buddy. Or don't. We all know your game at this point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 03/22/18 3:21:38 PM #95:	HHH is the game posted... GiftedACIII posted... You know what really bothers me about anti-abortionists? The argument that it can be "given for adoption". Hey, "pro-lifers" there are tens of thousands of children without parental figures right now. Go adopt some of them. Take the personal responsibility that your ideology endorses. And what else is funny is that it's very likely these same people would consider single parents an immediate no for a relationship. I don't see why the buden is on the pro-lifers not wanting a child to be killed, and not on the women that are having more babies they can't take care of? Because you're the ones butting your nose where it doesn't belong and then refusing to follow up on it. A child that's being raised by parents who didn't want them might as well be put up for foster care or might be given to foster care due to child protection services. Anti-abortionists don't actually care about children. They only care about making themselves feel better. If they supposedly care about all the children they're "saving" then they'd actually adopt some of them. But they don't and it's common knowledge the majority of them support economic ideals that screw them over even more. Seriously, your logic isn't based on the welfare of children. It's based on spiting women. This is why people consider it a backward and regressive ideology. --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:898292896] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote>You know what really bothers me about anti-abortionists? The argument that it can be "given for adoption". Hey, "pro-lifers" there are tens of thousands of children without parental figures right now. Go adopt some of them. Take the personal responsibility that your ideology endorses. And what else is funny is that it's very likely these same people would consider single parents an immediate no for a relationship.</quote> I don't see why the buden is on the pro-lifers not wanting a child to be killed, and not on the women that are having more babies they can't take care of?</quote> Because you're the ones butting your nose where it doesn't belong and then refusing to follow up on it. A child that's being raised by parents who didn't want them might as well be put up for foster care or might be given to foster care due to child protection services. Anti-abortionists don't actually care about children. They only care about making themselves feel better. If they supposedly care about all the children they're "saving" then they'd actually adopt some of them. But they don't and it's common knowledge the majority of them support economic ideals that screw them over even more. Seriously, your logic isn't based on the welfare of children. It's based on spiting women. This is why people consider it a backward and regressive ideology.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 03/22/18 3:22:03 PM #96:	sktgamer_13dude posted... ve never understood the pro-life argument. Its literally telling people how to live their life and thinking youre morally better than the other side. Like, how is that morally better? because we see it as murder. it's not about telling people how to live their life. its about letting babies live their life. you are looking at it wrong. pro lifers are pro lifers to save lives. it's all about just keeping a baby alive. nothing else. you get all focused on people being lectured and you ignore the main issue of the life of the baby. the reason you don't understand the view point is cause you don't understand the motives. you just admitted you think pro lifers are doing it just to control people. which is wrong. maybe if you tried to understand the opinion of them, you would realize why they do it, and maybe not hate them as much as you realize they are humans too, with a different philosophy that makes them think they are correct. <cite>Zikten posted [p:898292924] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote>ve never understood the pro-life argument. Its literally telling people how to live their life and thinking youre morally better than the other side. Like, how is that morally better?</quote> because we see it as murder. it's not about telling people how to live their life. its about letting babies live their life. you are looking at it wrong. pro lifers are pro lifers to save lives. it's all about just keeping a baby alive. nothing else. you get all focused on people being lectured and you ignore the main issue of the life of the baby. the reason you don't understand the view point is cause you don't understand the motives. you just admitted you think pro lifers are doing it just to control people. which is wrong. maybe if you tried to understand the opinion of them, you would realize why they do it, and maybe not hate them as much as you realize they are humans too, with a different philosophy that makes them think they are correct.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 03/22/18 3:22:52 PM #97:	Proclose posted... "Lifenews.com" Get outta here with that shit it's the first result I got. never even heard of it before. get over it. it's a god damn poll. you got what you wanted. you act like they made up the poll. polls are real. nobody makes up fake polls <cite>Zikten posted [p:898292980] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Proclose posted...</cite> <quote>"Lifenews.com" Get outta here with that shit</quote> it's the first result I got. never even heard of it before. get over it. it's a god damn poll. you got what you wanted. you act like they made up the poll. polls are real. nobody makes up fake polls</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HHH is the game 03/22/18 3:23:06 PM #98:	_Goggalor_ posted... HHH is the game posted... _Goggalor_ posted... Zikten posted... _Goggalor_ posted... He's right though. Your feelings are irrelevant to the lives of others. but the feelings of pro choice people are justification to end a life? pro choice people's feelings magically relevant when it directly concerns the continued or stopped existence of a baby? Yeah, it matters becsuse it's their body. That's how it works. Yes, the lives of children are unimportant. This is not a complicated question at all that involves the extinguishing of a human life. Its not worth giving any consideration. Its totally simple, and the death of a child is a trifling thing to not even be worried about. This is what disgusts me about pro-choice. Its not the idea that they feel that way. Its that they don't even give any respect at all to the enormity of what they're talking about. Fetuses arent children. JustMonika posted... Zikten posted... baby There's no baby involved. See? Here we go. These guys are philosophical experts that think the question of when life begins is simple. If this is what pro-choice is then I have to look away from their side. Im sure its not everybody, but it does seem to be a good amount of people who just state it as an obvious fact that they know when life begins. --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:898292990] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Goggalor_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Goggalor_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Goggalor_ posted...</cite> <quote>He's right though. Your feelings are irrelevant to the lives of others.</quote> but the feelings of pro choice people are justification to end a life? pro choice people's feelings magically relevant when it directly concerns the continued or stopped existence of a baby?</quote> Yeah, it matters becsuse it's their body. That's how it works.</quote> Yes, the lives of children are unimportant. This is not a complicated question at all that involves the extinguishing of a human life. Its not worth giving any consideration. Its totally simple, and the death of a child is a trifling thing to not even be worried about. This is what disgusts me about pro-choice. Its not the idea that they feel that way. Its that they don't even give any respect at all to the enormity of what they're talking about.</quote> Fetuses arent children.</quote> <cite>JustMonika posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>baby</quote> There's no baby involved.</quote> See? Here we go. These guys are philosophical experts that think the question of when life begins is simple. If this is what pro-choice is then I have to look away from their side. Im sure its not everybody, but it does seem to be a good amount of people who just state it as an obvious fact that they know when life begins.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Proclose 03/22/18 3:23:39 PM #99:	Zikten posted... Proclose posted... "Lifenews.com" Get outta here with that s* it's the first result I got. never even heard of it before. get over it. it's a god damn poll. you got what you wanted. you act like they made up the poll. polls are real. nobody makes up fake polls Oh you poor sweet innocent manchild. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.4 <cite>Proclose posted [p:898293030] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Proclose posted...</cite> <quote> "Lifenews.com" Get outta here with that s*</quote> it's the first result I got. never even heard of it before. get over it. it's a god damn poll. you got what you wanted. you act like they made up the poll. polls are real. nobody makes up fake polls</quote> Oh you poor sweet innocent manchild.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 03/22/18 3:24:05 PM #100:	Zikten posted... Proclose posted... "Lifenews.com" Get outta here with that shit it's the first result I got. never even heard of it before. get over it. it's a god damn poll. you got what you wanted. you act like they made up the poll. polls are real. nobody makes up fake polls Ah, I get it. You don't have the research literacy to determine whether a source is good or not. Bless your heart, it can be hard starting out that way. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:898293058] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Proclose posted...</cite> <quote>"Lifenews.com" Get outta here with that shit</quote> it's the first result I got. never even heard of it before. get over it. it's a god damn poll. you got what you wanted. you act like they made up the poll. polls are real. nobody makes up fake polls</quote> Ah, I get it. You don't have the research literacy to determine whether a source is good or not. Bless your heart, it can be hard starting out that way.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 03/22/18 3:24:50 PM #101:	Smashingpmkns posted... All sperm are potential babies. It should be illegal to jerk off. Punishable by death. sperm is not potential until it mixes with an egg. also sperm only lives a few days and the dies even if it's not used. in a human life, a man has trillions of sperm cells die in his body over time regardless of what he does. sperm is very delicate, doesn't live long in the body, and is nothing until it meets an egg. <cite>Zikten posted [p:898293086] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote>All sperm are potential babies. It should be illegal to jerk off. Punishable by death.</quote> sperm is not potential until it mixes with an egg. also sperm only lives a few days and the dies even if it's not used. in a human life, a man has trillions of sperm cells die in his body over time regardless of what he does. sperm is very delicate, doesn't live long in the body, and is nothing until it meets an egg.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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