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GiftedACIII 03/22/18 3:26:11 PM #102:	HHH is the game posted... _Goggalor_ posted... HHH is the game posted... _Goggalor_ posted... Zikten posted... but the feelings of pro choice people are justification to end a life? pro choice people's feelings magically relevant when it directly concerns the continued or stopped existence of a baby? Yeah, it matters becsuse it's their body. That's how it works. Yes, the lives of children are unimportant. This is not a complicated question at all that involves the extinguishing of a human life. Its not worth giving any consideration. Its totally simple, and the death of a child is a trifling thing to not even be worried about. This is what disgusts me about pro-choice. Its not the idea that they feel that way. Its that they don't even give any respect at all to the enormity of what they're talking about. Fetuses arent children. JustMonika posted... Zikten posted... baby There's no baby involved. See? Here we go. These guys are philosophical experts that think the question of when life begins is simple. If this is what pro-choice is then I have to look away from their side. Im sure its not everybody, but it does seem to be a good amount of people who just state it as an obvious fact that they know when life begins. It's pretty fucking obvious you aren't pro choice in the slightest. All you do is spew the same ignorant rhetoric anti-abortionists do. This "I'm actually on both sides here" facade is pathetic. --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:898293172] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Goggalor_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Goggalor_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote> but the feelings of pro choice people are justification to end a life? pro choice people's feelings magically relevant when it directly concerns the continued or stopped existence of a baby?</quote> Yeah, it matters becsuse it's their body. That's how it works.</quote> Yes, the lives of children are unimportant. This is not a complicated question at all that involves the extinguishing of a human life. Its not worth giving any consideration. Its totally simple, and the death of a child is a trifling thing to not even be worried about. This is what disgusts me about pro-choice. Its not the idea that they feel that way. Its that they don't even give any respect at all to the enormity of what they're talking about.</quote> Fetuses arent children.</quote> <cite>JustMonika posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>baby</quote> There's no baby involved.</quote> See? Here we go. These guys are philosophical experts that think the question of when life begins is simple. If this is what pro-choice is then I have to look away from their side. Im sure its not everybody, but it does seem to be a good amount of people who just state it as an obvious fact that they know when life begins.</quote> It's pretty fucking obvious you aren't pro choice in the slightest. All you do is spew the same ignorant rhetoric anti-abortionists do. This "I'm actually on both sides here" facade is pathetic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 03/22/18 3:26:13 PM #103:	Smashingpmkns posted... All sperm are potential babies. It should be illegal to jerk off. Punishable by death. And all menstruating women too Just wasting that half a baby every month --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:898293175] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote>All sperm are potential babies. It should be illegal to jerk off. Punishable by death.</quote> And all menstruating women too Just wasting that half a baby every month</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 03/22/18 3:26:15 PM #104:	I like how everyone ignored my personal experience with an orphaned child that turned her life around. my story disproves the pro choice idea of mercy killing an unwanted child. so you pretend you didn't see it <cite>Zikten posted [p:898293177] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote>I like how everyone ignored my personal experience with an orphaned child that turned her life around. my story disproves the pro choice idea of mercy killing an unwanted child. so you pretend you didn't see it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HHH is the game 03/22/18 3:26:43 PM #105:	GiftedACIII posted... HHH is the game posted... GiftedACIII posted... You know what really bothers me about anti-abortionists? The argument that it can be "given for adoption". Hey, "pro-lifers" there are tens of thousands of children without parental figures right now. Go adopt some of them. Take the personal responsibility that your ideology endorses. And what else is funny is that it's very likely these same people would consider single parents an immediate no for a relationship. I don't see why the buden is on the pro-lifers not wanting a child to be killed, and not on the women that are having more babies they can't take care of? Because you're the ones butting your nose where it doesn't belong and then refusing to follow up on it. A child that's being raised by parents who didn't want them might as well be put up for foster care or might be given to foster care due to child protection services. Anti-abortionists don't actually care about children. They only care about making themselves feel better. If they supposedly care about all the children they're "saving" then they'd actually adopt some of them. But they don't and it's common knowledge the majority of them support economic ideals that screw them over even more. Seriously, your logic isn't based on the welfare of children. It's based on spiting women. This is why people consider it a backward and regressive ideology. No, the woman should not have had the baby in the first place. This is so ridiculous....you saying that we should just kill the baby instead of campaigning to stop people having babies they shouldn't be having in the first place. Nowhere in there do you blame the mother. The burden is on the people who don't want the baby to be killed and not on the people irresponsibly having babies? It just seems like your argument is 'lets keep having babies and kill them all and all our problems will be solved' and you blame the people that are trying to stop the killing because you're like 'but we have a perfectly good solution to our problem! We just murder them! Why are you trying to stop us don't you realize we'll have the problem again?' My stance is 'no you cannot kill your baby, please stop having them'. All of us could be doing more to help foster children but I don't see what puts you in the moral right here. --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:898293207] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote>You know what really bothers me about anti-abortionists? The argument that it can be "given for adoption". Hey, "pro-lifers" there are tens of thousands of children without parental figures right now. Go adopt some of them. Take the personal responsibility that your ideology endorses. And what else is funny is that it's very likely these same people would consider single parents an immediate no for a relationship.</quote> I don't see why the buden is on the pro-lifers not wanting a child to be killed, and not on the women that are having more babies they can't take care of?</quote> Because you're the ones butting your nose where it doesn't belong and then refusing to follow up on it. A child that's being raised by parents who didn't want them might as well be put up for foster care or might be given to foster care due to child protection services. Anti-abortionists don't actually care about children. They only care about making themselves feel better. If they supposedly care about all the children they're "saving" then they'd actually adopt some of them. But they don't and it's common knowledge the majority of them support economic ideals that screw them over even more. Seriously, your logic isn't based on the welfare of children. It's based on spiting women. This is why people consider it a backward and regressive ideology.</quote> No, the woman should not have had the baby in the first place. This is so ridiculous....you saying that we should just kill the baby instead of campaigning to stop people having babies they shouldn't be having in the first place. Nowhere in there do you blame the mother. The burden is on the people who don't want the baby to be killed and not on the people irresponsibly having babies? It just seems like your argument is 'lets keep having babies and kill them all and all our problems will be solved' and you blame the people that are trying to stop the killing because you're like 'but we have a perfectly good solution to our problem! We just murder them! Why are you trying to stop us don't you realize we'll have the problem again?' My stance is 'no you cannot kill your baby, please stop having them'. All of us could be doing more to help foster children but I don't see what puts you in the moral right here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 03/22/18 3:27:09 PM #106:	Zikten posted... I like how everyone ignored my personal experience with an orphaned child that turned her life around. my story disproves the pro choice idea of mercy killing an unwanted child. so you pretend you didn't see it That's one story. Statistically, the odds are against unwanted children. But, feels > reals according to you. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:898293234] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>I like how everyone ignored my personal experience with an orphaned child that turned her life around. my story disproves the pro choice idea of mercy killing an unwanted child. so you pretend you didn't see it</quote> That's one story. Statistically, the odds are against unwanted children. But, feels > reals according to you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 03/22/18 3:27:44 PM #107:	Zikten posted... Smashingpmkns posted... All sperm are potential babies. It should be illegal to jerk off. Punishable by death. sperm is not potential until it mixes with an egg. also sperm only lives a few days and the dies even if it's not used. in a human life, a man has trillions of sperm cells die in his body over time regardless of what he does. sperm is very delicate, doesn't live long in the body, and is nothing until it meets an egg. Oh so now you are the end all be all of qualifying when life begins? That's half a baby we're talking about. --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:898293269] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote> All sperm are potential babies. It should be illegal to jerk off. Punishable by death.</quote> sperm is not potential until it mixes with an egg. also sperm only lives a few days and the dies even if it's not used. in a human life, a man has trillions of sperm cells die in his body over time regardless of what he does. sperm is very delicate, doesn't live long in the body, and is nothing until it meets an egg.</quote> Oh so now you are the end all be all of qualifying when life begins? That's half a baby we're talking about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Proclose 03/22/18 3:27:52 PM #108:	Zikten posted... I like how everyone ignored my personal experience with an orphaned child that turned her life around. my story disproves the pro choice idea of mercy killing an unwanted child. so you pretend you didn't see it One success story proves nothing No one gives a shit about your life story --- Posted with GameRaven 3.4 <cite>Proclose posted [p:898293275] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>I like how everyone ignored my personal experience with an orphaned child that turned her life around. my story disproves the pro choice idea of mercy killing an unwanted child. so you pretend you didn't see it</quote> One success story proves nothing No one gives a shit about your life story</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UrCa1988 03/22/18 3:28:10 PM #109:	Zikten posted... I like how everyone ignored my personal experience with an orphaned child that turned her life around. my story disproves the pro choice idea of mercy killing an unwanted child. so you pretend you didn't see it I'm sure you don't need to be told why anecdotal evidence means little. --- "Sometimes, all the stupidity in the world is boiled down to one single product that you can buy at Home Depot." <cite>UrCa1988 posted [p:898293289] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>I like how everyone ignored my personal experience with an orphaned child that turned her life around. my story disproves the pro choice idea of mercy killing an unwanted child. so you pretend you didn't see it</quote> I'm sure you don't need to be told why anecdotal evidence means little.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 03/22/18 3:28:33 PM #110:	HHH is the game posted... GiftedACIII posted... HHH is the game posted... GiftedACIII posted... You know what really bothers me about anti-abortionists? The argument that it can be "given for adoption". Hey, "pro-lifers" there are tens of thousands of children without parental figures right now. Go adopt some of them. Take the personal responsibility that your ideology endorses. And what else is funny is that it's very likely these same people would consider single parents an immediate no for a relationship. I don't see why the buden is on the pro-lifers not wanting a child to be killed, and not on the women that are having more babies they can't take care of? Because you're the ones butting your nose where it doesn't belong and then refusing to follow up on it. A child that's being raised by parents who didn't want them might as well be put up for foster care or might be given to foster care due to child protection services. Anti-abortionists don't actually care about children. They only care about making themselves feel better. If they supposedly care about all the children they're "saving" then they'd actually adopt some of them. But they don't and it's common knowledge the majority of them support economic ideals that screw them over even more. Seriously, your logic isn't based on the welfare of children. It's based on spiting women. This is why people consider it a backward and regressive ideology. No, the woman should not have had the baby in the first place. This is so ridiculous....you saying that we should just kill the baby instead of campaigning to stop people having babies they shouldn't be having in the first place. Nowhere in there do you blame the mother. The burden is on the people who don't want the baby to be killed and not on the people irresponsibly having babies? It just seems like your argument is 'lets keep having babies and kill them all and all our problems will be solved' and you blame the people that are trying to stop the killing because you're like 'but we have a perfectly good solution to our problem! We just murder them! Why are you trying to stop us don't you realize we'll have the problem again?' My stance is 'no you cannot kill your baby, please stop having them'. All of us could be doing more to help foster children but I don't see what puts you in the moral right here. Having an abortion is "not having a baby." Do you just not want women to ever have sex? <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:898293309] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote>You know what really bothers me about anti-abortionists? The argument that it can be "given for adoption". Hey, "pro-lifers" there are tens of thousands of children without parental figures right now. Go adopt some of them. Take the personal responsibility that your ideology endorses. And what else is funny is that it's very likely these same people would consider single parents an immediate no for a relationship.</quote> I don't see why the buden is on the pro-lifers not wanting a child to be killed, and not on the women that are having more babies they can't take care of?</quote> Because you're the ones butting your nose where it doesn't belong and then refusing to follow up on it. A child that's being raised by parents who didn't want them might as well be put up for foster care or might be given to foster care due to child protection services. Anti-abortionists don't actually care about children. They only care about making themselves feel better. If they supposedly care about all the children they're "saving" then they'd actually adopt some of them. But they don't and it's common knowledge the majority of them support economic ideals that screw them over even more. Seriously, your logic isn't based on the welfare of children. It's based on spiting women. This is why people consider it a backward and regressive ideology.</quote> No, the woman should not have had the baby in the first place. This is so ridiculous....you saying that we should just kill the baby instead of campaigning to stop people having babies they shouldn't be having in the first place. Nowhere in there do you blame the mother. The burden is on the people who don't want the baby to be killed and not on the people irresponsibly having babies? It just seems like your argument is 'lets keep having babies and kill them all and all our problems will be solved' and you blame the people that are trying to stop the killing because you're like 'but we have a perfectly good solution to our problem! We just murder them! Why are you trying to stop us don't you realize we'll have the problem again?' My stance is 'no you cannot kill your baby, please stop having them'. All of us could be doing more to help foster children but I don't see what puts you in the moral right here.</quote> Having an abortion is "not having a baby." Do you just not want women to ever have sex?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HHH is the game 03/22/18 3:28:37 PM #111:	No, I think both sides have value and if somebody honestly told me that they didn't BELIEVE a life to be 'a life' at the time of abortion I would have to admit that neither of us can ever know which is right. The people Im arguing with are convinced that they are right. Im not CONVINCED I am right, but I AM convinced that the question should not be dealt with in simple terms. PERSONALLY I am not comfortable with abortion but I think that if you ARE comfortable with it you better not do it by just IGNORING the question so you can sleep easier. --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:898293312] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote>No, I think both sides have value and if somebody honestly told me that they didn't BELIEVE a life to be 'a life' at the time of abortion I would have to admit that neither of us can ever know which is right. The people Im arguing with are convinced that they are right. Im not CONVINCED I am right, but I AM convinced that the question should not be dealt with in simple terms. PERSONALLY I am not comfortable with abortion but I think that if you ARE comfortable with it you better not do it by just IGNORING the question so you can sleep easier.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 03/22/18 3:28:46 PM #112:	HHH is the game posted... GiftedACIII posted... HHH is the game posted... GiftedACIII posted... You know what really bothers me about anti-abortionists? The argument that it can be "given for adoption". Hey, "pro-lifers" there are tens of thousands of children without parental figures right now. Go adopt some of them. Take the personal responsibility that your ideology endorses. And what else is funny is that it's very likely these same people would consider single parents an immediate no for a relationship. I don't see why the buden is on the pro-lifers not wanting a child to be killed, and not on the women that are having more babies they can't take care of? Because you're the ones butting your nose where it doesn't belong and then refusing to follow up on it. A child that's being raised by parents who didn't want them might as well be put up for foster care or might be given to foster care due to child protection services. Anti-abortionists don't actually care about children. They only care about making themselves feel better. If they supposedly care about all the children they're "saving" then they'd actually adopt some of them. But they don't and it's common knowledge the majority of them support economic ideals that screw them over even more. Seriously, your logic isn't based on the welfare of children. It's based on spiting women. This is why people consider it a backward and regressive ideology. No, the woman should not have had the baby in the first place. This is so ridiculous....you saying that we should just kill the baby instead of campaigning to stop people having babies they shouldn't be having in the first place. Nowhere in there do you blame the mother. The burden is on the people who don't want the baby to be killed and not on the people irresponsibly having babies? It just seems like your argument is 'lets keep having babies and kill them all and all our problems will be solved' and you blame the people that are trying to stop the killing because you're like 'but we have a perfectly good solution to our problem! We just murder them! Why are you trying to stop us don't you realize we'll have the problem again?' My stance is 'no you cannot kill your baby, please stop having them'. All of us could be doing more to help foster children but I don't see what puts you in the moral right here. Why do you keep saying 'have the baby' when you clearly mean 'get pregnant'? You're trying to manipulate the way people see your stance. No one who gets an abortion is having a baby --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:898293322] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote>You know what really bothers me about anti-abortionists? The argument that it can be "given for adoption". Hey, "pro-lifers" there are tens of thousands of children without parental figures right now. Go adopt some of them. Take the personal responsibility that your ideology endorses. And what else is funny is that it's very likely these same people would consider single parents an immediate no for a relationship.</quote> I don't see why the buden is on the pro-lifers not wanting a child to be killed, and not on the women that are having more babies they can't take care of?</quote> Because you're the ones butting your nose where it doesn't belong and then refusing to follow up on it. A child that's being raised by parents who didn't want them might as well be put up for foster care or might be given to foster care due to child protection services. Anti-abortionists don't actually care about children. They only care about making themselves feel better. If they supposedly care about all the children they're "saving" then they'd actually adopt some of them. But they don't and it's common knowledge the majority of them support economic ideals that screw them over even more. Seriously, your logic isn't based on the welfare of children. It's based on spiting women. This is why people consider it a backward and regressive ideology.</quote> No, the woman should not have had the baby in the first place. This is so ridiculous....you saying that we should just kill the baby instead of campaigning to stop people having babies they shouldn't be having in the first place. Nowhere in there do you blame the mother. The burden is on the people who don't want the baby to be killed and not on the people irresponsibly having babies? It just seems like your argument is 'lets keep having babies and kill them all and all our problems will be solved' and you blame the people that are trying to stop the killing because you're like 'but we have a perfectly good solution to our problem! We just murder them! Why are you trying to stop us don't you realize we'll have the problem again?' My stance is 'no you cannot kill your baby, please stop having them'. All of us could be doing more to help foster children but I don't see what puts you in the moral right here.</quote> Why do you keep saying 'have the baby' when you clearly mean 'get pregnant'? You're trying to manipulate the way people see your stance. No one who gets an abortion is having a baby</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 03/22/18 3:29:57 PM #113:	Smashingpmkns posted... Oh so now you are the end all be all of qualifying when life begins? That's half a baby we're talking about. no it's science. Im not saying it. science is. tell me, when's the last time a sperm cell turned into a baby all by itself? pro life has always been consistent about when life begins. it never changes. pro choice is the one that can't make up their mind. yet you act like I am making stuff up. every pro lifer on the planet has always said the same thing, since the dawn of time and will contine to say it til the universe ends life begins at conception conception is when sperm meets an egg and fertalizes it sparking a fetus to be created <cite>Zikten posted [p:898293407] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote>Oh so now you are the end all be all of qualifying when life begins? That's half a baby we're talking about.</quote> no it's science. Im not saying it. science is. tell me, when's the last time a sperm cell turned into a baby all by itself? pro life has always been consistent about when life begins. it never changes. pro choice is the one that can't make up their mind. yet you act like I am making stuff up. every pro lifer on the planet has always said the same thing, since the dawn of time and will contine to say it til the universe ends life begins at conception conception is when sperm meets an egg and fertalizes it sparking a fetus to be created</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 03/22/18 3:30:06 PM #114:	Zikten posted... I like how everyone ignored my personal experience with an orphaned child that turned her life around. my story disproves the pro choice idea of mercy killing an unwanted child. so you pretend you didn't see it An "orphaned child" isn't a child that was given up for adoption because their parents couldn't abort. If abortion was criminalized there'd be millions of more children put into foster care. You'll have to adopt dozens of more children to make up for it. lol at thinking you can go on the high road because your family, not you, adopted a single child. --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:898293414] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>I like how everyone ignored my personal experience with an orphaned child that turned her life around. my story disproves the pro choice idea of mercy killing an unwanted child. so you pretend you didn't see it</quote> An "orphaned child" isn't a child that was given up for adoption because their parents couldn't abort. If abortion was criminalized there'd be millions of more children put into foster care. You'll have to adopt dozens of more children to make up for it. lol at thinking you can go on the high road because your family, not you, adopted a single child.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HHH is the game 03/22/18 3:30:06 PM #115:	thronedfire2 posted... HHH is the game posted... GiftedACIII posted... HHH is the game posted... GiftedACIII posted... You know what really bothers me about anti-abortionists? The argument that it can be "given for adoption". Hey, "pro-lifers" there are tens of thousands of children without parental figures right now. Go adopt some of them. Take the personal responsibility that your ideology endorses. And what else is funny is that it's very likely these same people would consider single parents an immediate no for a relationship. I don't see why the buden is on the pro-lifers not wanting a child to be killed, and not on the women that are having more babies they can't take care of? Because you're the ones butting your nose where it doesn't belong and then refusing to follow up on it. A child that's being raised by parents who didn't want them might as well be put up for foster care or might be given to foster care due to child protection services. Anti-abortionists don't actually care about children. They only care about making themselves feel better. If they supposedly care about all the children they're "saving" then they'd actually adopt some of them. But they don't and it's common knowledge the majority of them support economic ideals that screw them over even more. Seriously, your logic isn't based on the welfare of children. It's based on spiting women. This is why people consider it a backward and regressive ideology. No, the woman should not have had the baby in the first place. This is so ridiculous....you saying that we should just kill the baby instead of campaigning to stop people having babies they shouldn't be having in the first place. Nowhere in there do you blame the mother. The burden is on the people who don't want the baby to be killed and not on the people irresponsibly having babies? It just seems like your argument is 'lets keep having babies and kill them all and all our problems will be solved' and you blame the people that are trying to stop the killing because you're like 'but we have a perfectly good solution to our problem! We just murder them! Why are you trying to stop us don't you realize we'll have the problem again?' My stance is 'no you cannot kill your baby, please stop having them'. All of us could be doing more to help foster children but I don't see what puts you in the moral right here. Why do you keep saying 'have the baby' when you clearly mean 'get pregnant'? You're trying to manipulate the way people see your stance. No one who gets an abortion is having a baby Because the pro-choicers seem so determined to ignore the potential for this, perhaps because it makes them feel uncomfortable, I don't know. Yes you are right. The question of when a baby becomes a baby is a complicated one. Absolutely not something to joke about --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:898293417] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>thronedfire2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote>You know what really bothers me about anti-abortionists? The argument that it can be "given for adoption". Hey, "pro-lifers" there are tens of thousands of children without parental figures right now. Go adopt some of them. Take the personal responsibility that your ideology endorses. And what else is funny is that it's very likely these same people would consider single parents an immediate no for a relationship.</quote> I don't see why the buden is on the pro-lifers not wanting a child to be killed, and not on the women that are having more babies they can't take care of?</quote> Because you're the ones butting your nose where it doesn't belong and then refusing to follow up on it. A child that's being raised by parents who didn't want them might as well be put up for foster care or might be given to foster care due to child protection services. Anti-abortionists don't actually care about children. They only care about making themselves feel better. If they supposedly care about all the children they're "saving" then they'd actually adopt some of them. But they don't and it's common knowledge the majority of them support economic ideals that screw them over even more. Seriously, your logic isn't based on the welfare of children. It's based on spiting women. This is why people consider it a backward and regressive ideology.</quote> No, the woman should not have had the baby in the first place. This is so ridiculous....you saying that we should just kill the baby instead of campaigning to stop people having babies they shouldn't be having in the first place. Nowhere in there do you blame the mother. The burden is on the people who don't want the baby to be killed and not on the people irresponsibly having babies? It just seems like your argument is 'lets keep having babies and kill them all and all our problems will be solved' and you blame the people that are trying to stop the killing because you're like 'but we have a perfectly good solution to our problem! We just murder them! Why are you trying to stop us don't you realize we'll have the problem again?' My stance is 'no you cannot kill your baby, please stop having them'. All of us could be doing more to help foster children but I don't see what puts you in the moral right here.</quote> Why do you keep saying 'have the baby' when you clearly mean 'get pregnant'? You're trying to manipulate the way people see your stance. No one who gets an abortion is having a baby</quote> Because the pro-choicers seem so determined to ignore the potential for this, perhaps because it makes them feel uncomfortable, I don't know. Yes you are right. The question of when a baby becomes a baby is a complicated one. Absolutely not something to joke about</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HHH is the game 03/22/18 3:30:54 PM #116:	GiftedACIII posted... Zikten posted... I like how everyone ignored my personal experience with an orphaned child that turned her life around. my story disproves the pro choice idea of mercy killing an unwanted child. so you pretend you didn't see it An "orphaned child" isn't a child that was given up for adoption because their parents couldn't abort. If abortion was criminalized there'd be millions of more children put into foster care. You'll have to adopt dozens of more children to make up for it. lol at thinking you can go on the high road because your family, not you, adopted a single child. And how about we try to stop people from having these babies? Why are they not responsible at all for their actions? Why is it the pro-lifers who are the bad guys and not the people having the kids?? --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:898293463] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>I like how everyone ignored my personal experience with an orphaned child that turned her life around. my story disproves the pro choice idea of mercy killing an unwanted child. so you pretend you didn't see it</quote> An "orphaned child" isn't a child that was given up for adoption because their parents couldn't abort. If abortion was criminalized there'd be millions of more children put into foster care. You'll have to adopt dozens of more children to make up for it. lol at thinking you can go on the high road because your family, not you, adopted a single child.</quote> And how about we try to stop people from having these babies? Why are they not responsible at all for their actions? Why is it the pro-lifers who are the bad guys and not the people having the kids??</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 03/22/18 3:33:15 PM #117:	-yawn- TC is just going to continue to use the wrong terminology in an attempt to garner sympathy for his cause. I advise everyone just leave the childish tantrum thrower alone. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:898293617] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote>-yawn- TC is just going to continue to use the wrong terminology in an attempt to garner sympathy for his cause. I advise everyone just leave the childish tantrum thrower alone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ledbowman 03/22/18 3:33:44 PM #118:	I'm a 2nd trimester = go for it kind of guy. --- I wish we all waved <cite>ledbowman posted [p:898293644] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote>I'm a 2nd trimester = go for it kind of guy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 03/22/18 3:33:56 PM #119:	HHH is the game posted... GiftedACIII posted... Zikten posted... I like how everyone ignored my personal experience with an orphaned child that turned her life around. my story disproves the pro choice idea of mercy killing an unwanted child. so you pretend you didn't see it An "orphaned child" isn't a child that was given up for adoption because their parents couldn't abort. If abortion was criminalized there'd be millions of more children put into foster care. You'll have to adopt dozens of more children to make up for it. lol at thinking you can go on the high road because your family, not you, adopted a single child. And how about we try to stop people from having these babies? Why are they not responsible at all for their actions? Why is it the pro-lifers who are the bad guys and not the people having the kids?? Ok??? So stop teaching people that abstinence is the only way to avoid pregnancy. Stop trying to close planned parenthood when it actually educates people and provides birth control and STD screening and advice for people who DO want to have kids and cancer screening just because a tiny fraction of what it does is abortions. --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:898293657] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>I like how everyone ignored my personal experience with an orphaned child that turned her life around. my story disproves the pro choice idea of mercy killing an unwanted child. so you pretend you didn't see it</quote> An "orphaned child" isn't a child that was given up for adoption because their parents couldn't abort. If abortion was criminalized there'd be millions of more children put into foster care. You'll have to adopt dozens of more children to make up for it. lol at thinking you can go on the high road because your family, not you, adopted a single child.</quote> And how about we try to stop people from having these babies? Why are they not responsible at all for their actions? Why is it the pro-lifers who are the bad guys and not the people having the kids??</quote> Ok??? So stop teaching people that abstinence is the only way to avoid pregnancy. Stop trying to close planned parenthood when it actually educates people and provides birth control and STD screening and advice for people who DO want to have kids and cancer screening just because a tiny fraction of what it does is abortions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 03/22/18 3:34:13 PM #120:	_Rinku_ posted... -yawn- TC is just going to continue to use the wrong terminology in an attempt to garner sympathy for his cause. I advise everyone just leave the childish tantrum thrower alone. he's been pretty damn calm and intelligent this entire time. he's acting very mature and wise and using good points that you just want to ignore. you are the childish one for trying to name call him and belittle his argument <cite>Zikten posted [p:898293665] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote>-yawn- TC is just going to continue to use the wrong terminology in an attempt to garner sympathy for his cause. I advise everyone just leave the childish tantrum thrower alone.</quote> he's been pretty damn calm and intelligent this entire time. he's acting very mature and wise and using good points that you just want to ignore. you are the childish one for trying to name call him and belittle his argument</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 03/22/18 3:34:39 PM #121:	Zikten posted... Smashingpmkns posted... Oh so now you are the end all be all of qualifying when life begins? That's half a baby we're talking about. no it's science. Im not saying it. science is. tell me, when's the last time a sperm cell turned into a baby all by itself? pro life has always been consistent about when life begins. it never changes. pro choice is the one that can't make up their mind. yet you act like I am making stuff up. every pro lifer on the planet has always said the same thing, since the dawn of time and will contine to say it til the universe ends life begins at conception conception is when sperm meets an egg and fertalizes it sparking a fetus to be created Life at conception is an arbitrary line. Your sperm has just as much of an opportunity to be a child as a sack of cells does at conception. Just because you like to beat off doesn't change that. Sperm dying naturally holds no weight as people aren't mad at women who have accidental miscarriages. You're just as responsible, hairy palms. --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:898293690] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote> Oh so now you are the end all be all of qualifying when life begins? That's half a baby we're talking about.</quote> no it's science. Im not saying it. science is. tell me, when's the last time a sperm cell turned into a baby all by itself? pro life has always been consistent about when life begins. it never changes. pro choice is the one that can't make up their mind. yet you act like I am making stuff up. every pro lifer on the planet has always said the same thing, since the dawn of time and will contine to say it til the universe ends life begins at conception conception is when sperm meets an egg and fertalizes it sparking a fetus to be created</quote> Life at conception is an arbitrary line. Your sperm has just as much of an opportunity to be a child as a sack of cells does at conception. Just because you like to beat off doesn't change that. Sperm dying naturally holds no weight as people aren't mad at women who have accidental miscarriages. You're just as responsible, hairy palms.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 03/22/18 3:35:58 PM #122:	Smashingpmkns posted... Your sperm has just as much of an opportunity to be a child as a sack of cells does at conception. tha'ts literally wrong and goes against what science says. that's not how biology works <cite>Zikten posted [p:898293781] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote> Your sperm has just as much of an opportunity to be a child as a sack of cells does at conception.</quote> tha'ts literally wrong and goes against what science says. that's not how biology works</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HHH is the game 03/22/18 3:36:31 PM #123:	thronedfire2 posted... HHH is the game posted... GiftedACIII posted... Zikten posted... I like how everyone ignored my personal experience with an orphaned child that turned her life around. my story disproves the pro choice idea of mercy killing an unwanted child. so you pretend you didn't see it An "orphaned child" isn't a child that was given up for adoption because their parents couldn't abort. If abortion was criminalized there'd be millions of more children put into foster care. You'll have to adopt dozens of more children to make up for it. lol at thinking you can go on the high road because your family, not you, adopted a single child. And how about we try to stop people from having these babies? Why are they not responsible at all for their actions? Why is it the pro-lifers who are the bad guys and not the people having the kids?? Ok??? So stop teaching people that abstinence is the only way to avoid pregnancy. Stop trying to close planned parenthood when it actually educates people and provides birth control and STD screening and advice for people who DO want to have kids and cancer screening just because a tiny fraction of what it does is abortions. Obviously these are good things, I never said I was against them. I mean we should try to let people know that abstinence is the only way to ENSURE no pregnancy. I don't really like that people seem to think that people should have no responsibility when choosing to have sex in terms of consenting to the possibility of a baby. But yeah obviously birth control and things like that should be provided so people can make an informed decision --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:898293818] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>thronedfire2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>I like how everyone ignored my personal experience with an orphaned child that turned her life around. my story disproves the pro choice idea of mercy killing an unwanted child. so you pretend you didn't see it</quote> An "orphaned child" isn't a child that was given up for adoption because their parents couldn't abort. If abortion was criminalized there'd be millions of more children put into foster care. You'll have to adopt dozens of more children to make up for it. lol at thinking you can go on the high road because your family, not you, adopted a single child.</quote> And how about we try to stop people from having these babies? Why are they not responsible at all for their actions? Why is it the pro-lifers who are the bad guys and not the people having the kids??</quote> Ok??? So stop teaching people that abstinence is the only way to avoid pregnancy. Stop trying to close planned parenthood when it actually educates people and provides birth control and STD screening and advice for people who DO want to have kids and cancer screening just because a tiny fraction of what it does is abortions.</quote> Obviously these are good things, I never said I was against them. I mean we should try to let people know that abstinence is the only way to ENSURE no pregnancy. I don't really like that people seem to think that people should have no responsibility when choosing to have sex in terms of consenting to the possibility of a baby. But yeah obviously birth control and things like that should be provided so people can make an informed decision</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 03/22/18 3:36:44 PM #124:	Zikten posted... _Rinku_ posted... -yawn- TC is just going to continue to use the wrong terminology in an attempt to garner sympathy for his cause. I advise everyone just leave the childish tantrum thrower alone. he's been pretty damn calm and intelligent this entire time. he's acting very mature and wise and using good points that you just want to ignore. you are the childish one for trying to name call him and belittle his argument Nah. He's the one throwing his toys against the wall and intentionally using the wrong words, even when corrected. I'm just pointing out why no one should pay attention to him (or you, for that matter). <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:898293831] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote>-yawn- TC is just going to continue to use the wrong terminology in an attempt to garner sympathy for his cause. I advise everyone just leave the childish tantrum thrower alone.</quote> he's been pretty damn calm and intelligent this entire time. he's acting very mature and wise and using good points that you just want to ignore. you are the childish one for trying to name call him and belittle his argument</quote> Nah. He's the one throwing his toys against the wall and intentionally using the wrong words, even when corrected. I'm just pointing out why no one should pay attention to him (or you, for that matter).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 03/22/18 3:36:50 PM #125:	Zikten posted... Smashingpmkns posted... Your sperm has just as much of an opportunity to be a child as a sack of cells does at conception. tha'ts literally wrong and goes against what science says. that's not how biology works More sperm on Zitken's hands smh --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:898293839] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote> Your sperm has just as much of an opportunity to be a child as a sack of cells does at conception.</quote> tha'ts literally wrong and goes against what science says. that's not how biology works</quote> More sperm on Zitken's hands smh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 03/22/18 3:38:36 PM #126:	_Rinku_ posted... Nah. He's the one throwing his toys against the wall and intentionally using the wrong words, even when corrected. I haven't seen him do this but I have seen you do it. he's been calm this entire topic. he even gives your side some respect. but you don't give his side any. he says that you are free to think how you do. but just to stop demonizing pro lifers. but being told to stop demonizing them upsets you. so you got mad <cite>Zikten posted [p:898293939] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote>Nah. He's the one throwing his toys against the wall and intentionally using the wrong words, even when corrected.</quote> I haven't seen him do this but I have seen you do it. he's been calm this entire topic. he even gives your side some respect. but you don't give his side any. he says that you are free to think how you do. but just to stop demonizing pro lifers. but being told to stop demonizing them upsets you. so you got mad</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HHH is the game 03/22/18 3:39:07 PM #127:	_Rinku_ posted... -yawn- TC is just going to continue to use the wrong terminology in an attempt to garner sympathy for his cause. I advise everyone just leave the childish tantrum thrower alone. Again, the 'wrong terminology' that you are saying is based on your belief that a fetus is not alive. That again, is a complicated belief. Will you at least acknowledge the fact that you cannot determine when life begins and that this is something that really is not easy to answer? --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:898293981] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote>-yawn- TC is just going to continue to use the wrong terminology in an attempt to garner sympathy for his cause. I advise everyone just leave the childish tantrum thrower alone.</quote> Again, the 'wrong terminology' that you are saying is based on your belief that a fetus is not alive. That again, is a complicated belief. Will you at least acknowledge the fact that you cannot determine when life begins and that this is something that really is not easy to answer?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 03/22/18 3:42:51 PM #128:	HHH is the game posted... Nowhere in there do you blame the mother Yeah, this is pretty much what it boils down to. HHH is the game posted... My stance is 'no you cannot kill your baby, please stop having them'. All of us could be doing more to help foster children but I don't see what puts you in the moral right here. Of course you don't. Anti-abortionists are irrational and backwards which is revealed as soon as they're questioned a tiny bit on their ideals. You don't realize that most developed countries ARE having less children. Every developed country has abortion though because in any civilized society a woman has the right to their body which doesn't get taken away with "she deserved it" logic. --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:898294214] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote>Nowhere in there do you blame the mother</quote> Yeah, this is pretty much what it boils down to. <cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote>My stance is 'no you cannot kill your baby, please stop having them'. All of us could be doing more to help foster children but I don't see what puts you in the moral right here.</quote> Of course you don't. Anti-abortionists are irrational and backwards which is revealed as soon as they're questioned a tiny bit on their ideals. You don't realize that most developed countries ARE having less children. Every developed country has abortion though because in any civilized society a woman has the right to their body which doesn't get taken away with "she deserved it" logic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 03/22/18 3:43:57 PM #129:	Zikten posted... _Rinku_ posted... Nah. He's the one throwing his toys against the wall and intentionally using the wrong words, even when corrected. I haven't seen him do this but I have seen you do it. he's been calm this entire topic. he even gives your side some respect. but you don't give his side any. he says that you are free to think how you do. but just to stop demonizing pro lifers. but being told to stop demonizing them upsets you. so you got mad He repeatedly refers to women becoming pregnant as "having babies." That's the incorrect terminology. His refusal to address that is childish and shows his real agenda. The only mad one here is you because no one cared about your sister sob story. HHH is the game posted... _Rinku_ posted... -yawn- TC is just going to continue to use the wrong terminology in an attempt to garner sympathy for his cause. I advise everyone just leave the childish tantrum thrower alone. Again, the 'wrong terminology' that you are saying is based on your belief that a fetus is not alive. That again, is a complicated belief. Will you at least acknowledge the fact that you cannot determine when life begins and that this is something that really is not easy to answer? The wrong terminology is in reference to your repeated refusal to differentiate pregnancy from "having babies." You are intentionally doing this to mislead people and garner sympathy. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:898294275] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote>Nah. He's the one throwing his toys against the wall and intentionally using the wrong words, even when corrected.</quote> I haven't seen him do this but I have seen you do it. he's been calm this entire topic. he even gives your side some respect. but you don't give his side any. he says that you are free to think how you do. but just to stop demonizing pro lifers. but being told to stop demonizing them upsets you. so you got mad</quote> He repeatedly refers to women becoming pregnant as "having babies." That's the incorrect terminology. His refusal to address that is childish and shows his real agenda. The only mad one here is you because no one cared about your sister sob story. <cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote>-yawn- TC is just going to continue to use the wrong terminology in an attempt to garner sympathy for his cause. I advise everyone just leave the childish tantrum thrower alone.</quote> Again, the 'wrong terminology' that you are saying is based on your belief that a fetus is not alive. That again, is a complicated belief. Will you at least acknowledge the fact that you cannot determine when life begins and that this is something that really is not easy to answer?</quote> The wrong terminology is in reference to your repeated refusal to differentiate pregnancy from "having babies." You are intentionally doing this to mislead people and garner sympathy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 03/22/18 3:46:28 PM #131:	_Rinku_ posted... He repeatedly refers to women becoming pregnant as "having babies." that's literally ok to say. I must have brain damage cause I don't get why you have a problem with this <cite>Zikten posted [p:898294441] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote>He repeatedly refers to women becoming pregnant as "having babies."</quote> that's literally ok to say. I must have brain damage cause I don't get why you have a problem with this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 03/22/18 3:48:34 PM #132:	Zikten posted... _Rinku_ posted... He repeatedly refers to women becoming pregnant as "having babies." that's literally ok to say. I must have brain damage cause I don't get why you have a problem with this It's intentionally misleading. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:898294584] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote>He repeatedly refers to women becoming pregnant as "having babies."</quote> that's literally ok to say. I must have brain damage cause I don't get why you have a problem with this</quote> It's intentionally misleading.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Proclose 03/22/18 3:49:18 PM #133:	Zikten posted... _Rinku_ posted... He repeatedly refers to women becoming pregnant as "having babies." that's literally ok to say. I must have brain damage cause I don't get why you have a problem with this I mean, you do have a-gets modded --- Posted with GameRaven 3.4 <cite>Proclose posted [p:898294622] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote> He repeatedly refers to women becoming pregnant as "having babies."</quote> that's literally ok to say. I must have brain damage cause I don't get why you have a problem with this</quote> I mean, you do have a-gets modded</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HHH is the game 03/22/18 3:49:25 PM #134:	GiftedACIII posted... HHH is the game posted... Nowhere in there do you blame the mother Yeah, this is pretty much what it boils down to. HHH is the game posted... My stance is 'no you cannot kill your baby, please stop having them'. All of us could be doing more to help foster children but I don't see what puts you in the moral right here. Of course you don't. Anti-abortionists are irrational and backwards which is revealed as soon as they're questioned a tiny bit on their ideals. You don't realize that most developed countries ARE having less children. Every developed country has abortion though because in any civilized society a woman has the right to their body which doesn't get taken away with "she deserved it" logic. This is so bizarre to me. She 'deserved' it because she made an irresponsible decision. She got pregnant (there, are you happy?) when she could not afford (or did not want) a baby. Now we have to extinguish this life because she was irresponsible. So why am I supposed to feel bad for her? It has nothing to do with hating women. The man is equally at fault. They were both stupid. Its unfortunate that the woman is the one who has to suffer for it but until we can find a way to make men pregnant as well that's just how it is. --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:898294628] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote>Nowhere in there do you blame the mother</quote> Yeah, this is pretty much what it boils down to. <cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote>My stance is 'no you cannot kill your baby, please stop having them'. All of us could be doing more to help foster children but I don't see what puts you in the moral right here.</quote> Of course you don't. Anti-abortionists are irrational and backwards which is revealed as soon as they're questioned a tiny bit on their ideals. You don't realize that most developed countries ARE having less children. Every developed country has abortion though because in any civilized society a woman has the right to their body which doesn't get taken away with "she deserved it" logic.</quote> This is so bizarre to me. She 'deserved' it because she made an irresponsible decision. She got pregnant (there, are you happy?) when she could not afford (or did not want) a baby. Now we have to extinguish this life because she was irresponsible. So why am I supposed to feel bad for her? It has nothing to do with hating women. The man is equally at fault. They were both stupid. Its unfortunate that the woman is the one who has to suffer for it but until we can find a way to make men pregnant as well that's just how it is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 03/22/18 3:50:16 PM #135:	HHH is the game posted... GiftedACIII posted... HHH is the game posted... Nowhere in there do you blame the mother Yeah, this is pretty much what it boils down to. HHH is the game posted... My stance is 'no you cannot kill your baby, please stop having them'. All of us could be doing more to help foster children but I don't see what puts you in the moral right here. Of course you don't. Anti-abortionists are irrational and backwards which is revealed as soon as they're questioned a tiny bit on their ideals. You don't realize that most developed countries ARE having less children. Every developed country has abortion though because in any civilized society a woman has the right to their body which doesn't get taken away with "she deserved it" logic. This is so bizarre to me. She 'deserved' it because she made an irresponsible decision. She got pregnant (there, are you happy?) when she could not afford (or did not want) a baby. Now we have to extinguish this life because she was irresponsible. So why am I supposed to feel bad for her? It has nothing to do with hating women. The man is equally at fault. They were both stupid. Its unfortunate that the woman is the one who has to suffer for it but until we can find a way to make men pregnant as well that's just how it is. You know most women don't intentionally get pregnant, right? <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:898294674] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote>Nowhere in there do you blame the mother</quote> Yeah, this is pretty much what it boils down to. <cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote>My stance is 'no you cannot kill your baby, please stop having them'. All of us could be doing more to help foster children but I don't see what puts you in the moral right here.</quote> Of course you don't. Anti-abortionists are irrational and backwards which is revealed as soon as they're questioned a tiny bit on their ideals. You don't realize that most developed countries ARE having less children. Every developed country has abortion though because in any civilized society a woman has the right to their body which doesn't get taken away with "she deserved it" logic.</quote> This is so bizarre to me. She 'deserved' it because she made an irresponsible decision. She got pregnant (there, are you happy?) when she could not afford (or did not want) a baby. Now we have to extinguish this life because she was irresponsible. So why am I supposed to feel bad for her? It has nothing to do with hating women. The man is equally at fault. They were both stupid. Its unfortunate that the woman is the one who has to suffer for it but until we can find a way to make men pregnant as well that's just how it is.</quote> You know most women don't intentionally get pregnant, right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 03/22/18 3:51:07 PM #136:	Who says it's an easy choice? --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:Paters1 IGN:SuperPattyCakes <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:898294731] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote>Who says it's an easy choice?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HHH is the game 03/22/18 3:53:53 PM #137:	_Rinku_ posted... HHH is the game posted... GiftedACIII posted... HHH is the game posted... Nowhere in there do you blame the mother Yeah, this is pretty much what it boils down to. HHH is the game posted... My stance is 'no you cannot kill your baby, please stop having them'. All of us could be doing more to help foster children but I don't see what puts you in the moral right here. Of course you don't. Anti-abortionists are irrational and backwards which is revealed as soon as they're questioned a tiny bit on their ideals. You don't realize that most developed countries ARE having less children. Every developed country has abortion though because in any civilized society a woman has the right to their body which doesn't get taken away with "she deserved it" logic. This is so bizarre to me. She 'deserved' it because she made an irresponsible decision. She got pregnant (there, are you happy?) when she could not afford (or did not want) a baby. Now we have to extinguish this life because she was irresponsible. So why am I supposed to feel bad for her? It has nothing to do with hating women. The man is equally at fault. They were both stupid. Its unfortunate that the woman is the one who has to suffer for it but until we can find a way to make men pregnant as well that's just how it is. You know most women don't intentionally get pregnant, right? I'm sure they don't. But they chose to be sexually active. Some of them might have even chose to have unprotected sex. Again, I think birth control shoudl be available. I think everybody should be educated on birth control methods and provided birth control. I don't think people should have to be abstinent! I do think that if you make the responsible, informed, decision to start being sexually active, you HAVE to understand the risk that this might cause a pregnancy, AND be willing to accept the consequences of that. If you then get pregnant, you should not complain about it. You chose to become sexually active knowing that this is what might come of it. --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:898294894] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote>Nowhere in there do you blame the mother</quote> Yeah, this is pretty much what it boils down to. <cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote>My stance is 'no you cannot kill your baby, please stop having them'. All of us could be doing more to help foster children but I don't see what puts you in the moral right here.</quote> Of course you don't. Anti-abortionists are irrational and backwards which is revealed as soon as they're questioned a tiny bit on their ideals. You don't realize that most developed countries ARE having less children. Every developed country has abortion though because in any civilized society a woman has the right to their body which doesn't get taken away with "she deserved it" logic.</quote> This is so bizarre to me. She 'deserved' it because she made an irresponsible decision. She got pregnant (there, are you happy?) when she could not afford (or did not want) a baby. Now we have to extinguish this life because she was irresponsible. So why am I supposed to feel bad for her? It has nothing to do with hating women. The man is equally at fault. They were both stupid. Its unfortunate that the woman is the one who has to suffer for it but until we can find a way to make men pregnant as well that's just how it is.</quote> You know most women don't intentionally get pregnant, right?</quote> I'm sure they don't. But they chose to be sexually active. Some of them might have even chose to have unprotected sex. Again, I think birth control shoudl be available. I think everybody should be educated on birth control methods and provided birth control. I don't think people should have to be abstinent! I do think that if you make the responsible, informed, decision to start being sexually active, you HAVE to understand the risk that this might cause a pregnancy, AND be willing to accept the consequences of that. If you then get pregnant, you should not complain about it. You chose to become sexually active knowing that this is what might come of it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HHH is the game 03/22/18 3:54:28 PM #138:	And for the record that doesn't mean you can't be upset, but don't try to pass the responsibility off or act like this was unavoidable or that now you are the victim --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:898294932] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote>And for the record that doesn't mean you can't be upset, but don't try to pass the responsibility off or act like this was unavoidable or that now you are the victim</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 03/22/18 3:55:22 PM #139:	HHH is the game posted... _Rinku_ posted... HHH is the game posted... GiftedACIII posted... HHH is the game posted... Nowhere in there do you blame the mother Yeah, this is pretty much what it boils down to. HHH is the game posted... My stance is 'no you cannot kill your baby, please stop having them'. All of us could be doing more to help foster children but I don't see what puts you in the moral right here. Of course you don't. Anti-abortionists are irrational and backwards which is revealed as soon as they're questioned a tiny bit on their ideals. You don't realize that most developed countries ARE having less children. Every developed country has abortion though because in any civilized society a woman has the right to their body which doesn't get taken away with "she deserved it" logic. This is so bizarre to me. She 'deserved' it because she made an irresponsible decision. She got pregnant (there, are you happy?) when she could not afford (or did not want) a baby. Now we have to extinguish this life because she was irresponsible. So why am I supposed to feel bad for her? It has nothing to do with hating women. The man is equally at fault. They were both stupid. Its unfortunate that the woman is the one who has to suffer for it but until we can find a way to make men pregnant as well that's just how it is. You know most women don't intentionally get pregnant, right? I'm sure they don't. But they chose to be sexually active. Some of them might have even chose to have unprotected sex. Again, I think birth control shoudl be available. I think everybody should be educated on birth control methods and provided birth control. I don't think people should have to be abstinent! I do think that if you make the responsible, informed, decision to start being sexually active, you HAVE to understand the risk that this might cause a pregnancy, AND be willing to accept the consequences of that. If you then get pregnant, you should not complain about it. You chose to become sexually active knowing that this is what might come of it. Ah, there we go. The "babies are a consequence of sex/punishment for women" argument finally comes fully out. Now I know not to listen to a word of what you say. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:898294994] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote>Nowhere in there do you blame the mother</quote> Yeah, this is pretty much what it boils down to. <cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote>My stance is 'no you cannot kill your baby, please stop having them'. All of us could be doing more to help foster children but I don't see what puts you in the moral right here.</quote> Of course you don't. Anti-abortionists are irrational and backwards which is revealed as soon as they're questioned a tiny bit on their ideals. You don't realize that most developed countries ARE having less children. Every developed country has abortion though because in any civilized society a woman has the right to their body which doesn't get taken away with "she deserved it" logic.</quote> This is so bizarre to me. She 'deserved' it because she made an irresponsible decision. She got pregnant (there, are you happy?) when she could not afford (or did not want) a baby. Now we have to extinguish this life because she was irresponsible. So why am I supposed to feel bad for her? It has nothing to do with hating women. The man is equally at fault. They were both stupid. Its unfortunate that the woman is the one who has to suffer for it but until we can find a way to make men pregnant as well that's just how it is.</quote> You know most women don't intentionally get pregnant, right?</quote> I'm sure they don't. But they chose to be sexually active. Some of them might have even chose to have unprotected sex. Again, I think birth control shoudl be available. I think everybody should be educated on birth control methods and provided birth control. I don't think people should have to be abstinent! I do think that if you make the responsible, informed, decision to start being sexually active, you HAVE to understand the risk that this might cause a pregnancy, AND be willing to accept the consequences of that. If you then get pregnant, you should not complain about it. You chose to become sexually active knowing that this is what might come of it.</quote> Ah, there we go. The "babies are a consequence of sex/punishment for women" argument finally comes fully out. Now I know not to listen to a word of what you say.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheCyborgNinja 03/22/18 3:56:18 PM #140:	Over 7 billion people on this planet. Not everyone is lucky. Some are born into an aristocratic title while others get aborted. Such is existing. --- "message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888 <cite>TheCyborgNinja posted [p:898295046] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote>Over 7 billion people on this planet. Not everyone is lucky. Some are born into an aristocratic title while others get aborted. Such is existing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HHH is the game 03/22/18 3:58:05 PM #141:	_Rinku_ posted... HHH is the game posted... _Rinku_ posted... HHH is the game posted... GiftedACIII posted... HHH is the game posted... Nowhere in there do you blame the mother Yeah, this is pretty much what it boils down to. HHH is the game posted... My stance is 'no you cannot kill your baby, please stop having them'. All of us could be doing more to help foster children but I don't see what puts you in the moral right here. Of course you don't. Anti-abortionists are irrational and backwards which is revealed as soon as they're questioned a tiny bit on their ideals. You don't realize that most developed countries ARE having less children. Every developed country has abortion though because in any civilized society a woman has the right to their body which doesn't get taken away with "she deserved it" logic. This is so bizarre to me. She 'deserved' it because she made an irresponsible decision. She got pregnant (there, are you happy?) when she could not afford (or did not want) a baby. Now we have to extinguish this life because she was irresponsible. So why am I supposed to feel bad for her? It has nothing to do with hating women. The man is equally at fault. They were both stupid. Its unfortunate that the woman is the one who has to suffer for it but until we can find a way to make men pregnant as well that's just how it is. You know most women don't intentionally get pregnant, right? I'm sure they don't. But they chose to be sexually active. Some of them might have even chose to have unprotected sex. Again, I think birth control shoudl be available. I think everybody should be educated on birth control methods and provided birth control. I don't think people should have to be abstinent! I do think that if you make the responsible, informed, decision to start being sexually active, you HAVE to understand the risk that this might cause a pregnancy, AND be willing to accept the consequences of that. If you then get pregnant, you should not complain about it. You chose to become sexually active knowing that this is what might come of it. Ah, there we go. The "babies are a consequence of sex/punishment for women" argument finally comes fully out. Now I know not to listen to a word of what you say. Can you tell me what is wrong with that argument? I'm genuinely curious why you are trying to downplay the responsibility that comes from choosing to have sex. The funny thing is though, and of course this is just anecdotal, Ive had actual pro-choice people make the SAME ARGUMENTS to support the man having to pay child support even if he does not want the baby. Again, not saying this is everybody, but Ive had people say that if the man didn't want to pay the child support he shouldn't have had sex. This boggled my mind because it's the exact same thing I'm saying now but with the opposite gender! --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:898295168] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote>Nowhere in there do you blame the mother</quote> Yeah, this is pretty much what it boils down to. <cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote>My stance is 'no you cannot kill your baby, please stop having them'. All of us could be doing more to help foster children but I don't see what puts you in the moral right here.</quote> Of course you don't. Anti-abortionists are irrational and backwards which is revealed as soon as they're questioned a tiny bit on their ideals. You don't realize that most developed countries ARE having less children. Every developed country has abortion though because in any civilized society a woman has the right to their body which doesn't get taken away with "she deserved it" logic.</quote> This is so bizarre to me. She 'deserved' it because she made an irresponsible decision. She got pregnant (there, are you happy?) when she could not afford (or did not want) a baby. Now we have to extinguish this life because she was irresponsible. So why am I supposed to feel bad for her? It has nothing to do with hating women. The man is equally at fault. They were both stupid. Its unfortunate that the woman is the one who has to suffer for it but until we can find a way to make men pregnant as well that's just how it is.</quote> You know most women don't intentionally get pregnant, right?</quote> I'm sure they don't. But they chose to be sexually active. Some of them might have even chose to have unprotected sex. Again, I think birth control shoudl be available. I think everybody should be educated on birth control methods and provided birth control. I don't think people should have to be abstinent! I do think that if you make the responsible, informed, decision to start being sexually active, you HAVE to understand the risk that this might cause a pregnancy, AND be willing to accept the consequences of that. If you then get pregnant, you should not complain about it. You chose to become sexually active knowing that this is what might come of it.</quote> Ah, there we go. The "babies are a consequence of sex/punishment for women" argument finally comes fully out. Now I know not to listen to a word of what you say.</quote> Can you tell me what is wrong with that argument? I'm genuinely curious why you are trying to downplay the responsibility that comes from choosing to have sex. The funny thing is though, and of course this is just anecdotal, Ive had actual pro-choice people make the SAME ARGUMENTS to support the man having to pay child support even if he does not want the baby. Again, not saying this is everybody, but Ive had people say that if the man didn't want to pay the child support he shouldn't have had sex. This boggled my mind because it's the exact same thing I'm saying now but with the opposite gender!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sativa_Rose 03/22/18 3:59:40 PM #142:	HHH is the game posted... Who is to say that that same baby was not alive inside of the womb? What is the basis for deciding when a baby is considered a human life and when it isnt? There are some abortion extremists who think there should be no cut off, but otherwise I think most people agree there should be at some point. --- I may not go down in history, but I will go down on your sister. <cite>Sativa_Rose posted [p:898295268] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote>Who is to say that that same baby was not alive inside of the womb? What is the basis for deciding when a baby is considered a human life and when it isnt? </quote> There are some abortion extremists who think there should be no cut off, but otherwise I think most people agree there should be at some point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 03/22/18 4:00:54 PM #143:	It's archaic and sexist, for one. As far as the argument with men goes: that's just the reality of the biological unbalance when it comes to pregnancy. The woman has to carry that baby and burden most of the responsibility there. Plus, it's just good advice for men so they don't get trapped. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:898295341] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote>It's archaic and sexist, for one. As far as the argument with men goes: that's just the reality of the biological unbalance when it comes to pregnancy. The woman has to carry that baby and burden most of the responsibility there. Plus, it's just good advice for men so they don't get trapped.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 03/22/18 4:02:28 PM #144:	HHH is the game posted... GiftedACIII posted... HHH is the game posted... Nowhere in there do you blame the mother Yeah, this is pretty much what it boils down to. HHH is the game posted... My stance is 'no you cannot kill your baby, please stop having them'. All of us could be doing more to help foster children but I don't see what puts you in the moral right here. Of course you don't. Anti-abortionists are irrational and backwards which is revealed as soon as they're questioned a tiny bit on their ideals. You don't realize that most developed countries ARE having less children. Every developed country has abortion though because in any civilized society a woman has the right to their body which doesn't get taken away with "she deserved it" logic. This is so bizarre to me. She 'deserved' it because she made an irresponsible decision. She got pregnant (there, are you happy?) when she could not afford (or did not want) a baby. Now we have to extinguish this life because she was irresponsible. So why am I supposed to feel bad for her? It has nothing to do with hating women. The man is equally at fault. They were both stupid. Its unfortunate that the woman is the one who has to suffer for it but until we can find a way to make men pregnant as well that's just how it is. Sorry, but laws in civilized societies don't work on "they deserved it" logic. People don't get charged less for rape because the girl was dressing provocatively. If you seriously wonder why and think it's bizarre that "they had it coming" logic isn't put into law then that only speaks volumes about you. Also, I like how you previously stated it's arguable whether fetuses are considered children and pro-choicers are just having it set in stone that they're not, when here you are acting like it's for certain that fetuses ARE children. It really diminishes (who am I kidding? It destroys) your argument that you're seeing both sides and just exposes you as just another bog-standard anti-abortionist with the same bog-standard ignorant and regressive "they deserve it" rhetoric that anti-abortionists are laughed at by developed countries. Did you actually think you're going to change anyone's mind by repeating the same things anti-abortionists spout all the time? All you're doing is further affirming that you're in the wrong. --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:898295440] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote>Nowhere in there do you blame the mother</quote> Yeah, this is pretty much what it boils down to. <cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote>My stance is 'no you cannot kill your baby, please stop having them'. All of us could be doing more to help foster children but I don't see what puts you in the moral right here.</quote> Of course you don't. Anti-abortionists are irrational and backwards which is revealed as soon as they're questioned a tiny bit on their ideals. You don't realize that most developed countries ARE having less children. Every developed country has abortion though because in any civilized society a woman has the right to their body which doesn't get taken away with "she deserved it" logic.</quote> This is so bizarre to me. She 'deserved' it because she made an irresponsible decision. She got pregnant (there, are you happy?) when she could not afford (or did not want) a baby. Now we have to extinguish this life because she was irresponsible. So why am I supposed to feel bad for her? It has nothing to do with hating women. The man is equally at fault. They were both stupid. Its unfortunate that the woman is the one who has to suffer for it but until we can find a way to make men pregnant as well that's just how it is.</quote> Sorry, but laws in civilized societies don't work on "they deserved it" logic. People don't get charged less for rape because the girl was dressing provocatively. If you seriously wonder why and think it's bizarre that "they had it coming" logic isn't put into law then that only speaks volumes about you. Also, I like how you previously stated it's arguable whether fetuses are considered children and pro-choicers are just having it set in stone that they're not, when here you are acting like it's for certain that fetuses ARE children. It really diminishes (who am I kidding? It destroys) your argument that you're seeing both sides and just exposes you as just another bog-standard anti-abortionist with the same bog-standard ignorant and regressive "they deserve it" rhetoric that anti-abortionists are laughed at by developed countries. Did you actually think you're going to change anyone's mind by repeating the same things anti-abortionists spout all the time? All you're doing is further affirming that you're in the wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HHH is the game 03/22/18 4:11:36 PM #146:	GiftedACIII posted... HHH is the game posted... GiftedACIII posted... HHH is the game posted... Nowhere in there do you blame the mother Yeah, this is pretty much what it boils down to. HHH is the game posted... My stance is 'no you cannot kill your baby, please stop having them'. All of us could be doing more to help foster children but I don't see what puts you in the moral right here. Of course you don't. Anti-abortionists are irrational and backwards which is revealed as soon as they're questioned a tiny bit on their ideals. You don't realize that most developed countries ARE having less children. Every developed country has abortion though because in any civilized society a woman has the right to their body which doesn't get taken away with "she deserved it" logic. This is so bizarre to me. She 'deserved' it because she made an irresponsible decision. She got pregnant (there, are you happy?) when she could not afford (or did not want) a baby. Now we have to extinguish this life because she was irresponsible. So why am I supposed to feel bad for her? It has nothing to do with hating women. The man is equally at fault. They were both stupid. Its unfortunate that the woman is the one who has to suffer for it but until we can find a way to make men pregnant as well that's just how it is. Sorry, but laws in civilized societies don't work on "they deserved it" logic. People don't get charged less for rape because the girl was dressing provocatively. If you seriously wonder why and think it's bizarre that "they had it coming" logic isn't put into law then that only speaks volumes about you. Also, I like how you previously stated it's arguable whether fetuses are considered children and pro-choicers are just having it set in stone that they're not, when here you are acting like it's for certain that fetuses ARE children. It really diminishes (who am I kidding? It destroys) your argument that you're seeing both sides and just exposes you as just another bog-standard anti-abortionist with the same bog-standard ignorant and regressive "they deserve it" rhetoric that anti-abortionists are laughed at by developed countries. Did you actually think you're going to change anyone's mind by repeating the same things anti-abortionists spout all the time? All you're doing is further affirming that you're in the wrong. ....This is....just so warped. First of all, I'll say it again. Personally I feel like fetuses are children. You may disagree with me and that's fine. If you are pro-choice because you disagree with me that's fine. But don't make it sound like that's an easy decision. If you are talking about POTENTIALLY killing what COULD be a life please treat that with respect. Secondly, laws do actually work on 'they deserved it' logic. When you make a decision that leads to harmful things, you are charged. This has nothing to do with being raped by dressing provocatively, but it's scary that this is how you view pregnancy. You are actually saying that if you have sex you are not responsible for getting pregnant if you didn't mean to? Its really the same thing as the child support laws to be honest. The man is not paying because he 'deserved it' hes paying because he is responsible for the child he created by his choice. --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:898295993] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote>Nowhere in there do you blame the mother</quote> Yeah, this is pretty much what it boils down to. <cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote>My stance is 'no you cannot kill your baby, please stop having them'. All of us could be doing more to help foster children but I don't see what puts you in the moral right here.</quote> Of course you don't. Anti-abortionists are irrational and backwards which is revealed as soon as they're questioned a tiny bit on their ideals. You don't realize that most developed countries ARE having less children. Every developed country has abortion though because in any civilized society a woman has the right to their body which doesn't get taken away with "she deserved it" logic.</quote> This is so bizarre to me. She 'deserved' it because she made an irresponsible decision. She got pregnant (there, are you happy?) when she could not afford (or did not want) a baby. Now we have to extinguish this life because she was irresponsible. So why am I supposed to feel bad for her? It has nothing to do with hating women. The man is equally at fault. They were both stupid. Its unfortunate that the woman is the one who has to suffer for it but until we can find a way to make men pregnant as well that's just how it is.</quote> Sorry, but laws in civilized societies don't work on "they deserved it" logic. People don't get charged less for rape because the girl was dressing provocatively. If you seriously wonder why and think it's bizarre that "they had it coming" logic isn't put into law then that only speaks volumes about you. Also, I like how you previously stated it's arguable whether fetuses are considered children and pro-choicers are just having it set in stone that they're not, when here you are acting like it's for certain that fetuses ARE children. It really diminishes (who am I kidding? It destroys) your argument that you're seeing both sides and just exposes you as just another bog-standard anti-abortionist with the same bog-standard ignorant and regressive "they deserve it" rhetoric that anti-abortionists are laughed at by developed countries. Did you actually think you're going to change anyone's mind by repeating the same things anti-abortionists spout all the time? All you're doing is further affirming that you're in the wrong.</quote> ....This is....just so warped. First of all, I'll say it again. Personally I feel like fetuses are children. You may disagree with me and that's fine. If you are pro-choice because you disagree with me that's fine. But don't make it sound like that's an easy decision. If you are talking about POTENTIALLY killing what COULD be a life please treat that with respect. Secondly, laws do actually work on 'they deserved it' logic. When you make a decision that leads to harmful things, you are charged. This has nothing to do with being raped by dressing provocatively, but it's scary that this is how you view pregnancy. You are actually saying that if you have sex you are not responsible for getting pregnant if you didn't mean to? Its really the same thing as the child support laws to be honest. The man is not paying because he 'deserved it' hes paying because he is responsible for the child he created by his choice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 03/22/18 4:12:23 PM #147:	HHH is the game posted... GiftedACIII posted... HHH is the game posted... GiftedACIII posted... HHH is the game posted... Nowhere in there do you blame the mother Yeah, this is pretty much what it boils down to. HHH is the game posted... My stance is 'no you cannot kill your baby, please stop having them'. All of us could be doing more to help foster children but I don't see what puts you in the moral right here. Of course you don't. Anti-abortionists are irrational and backwards which is revealed as soon as they're questioned a tiny bit on their ideals. You don't realize that most developed countries ARE having less children. Every developed country has abortion though because in any civilized society a woman has the right to their body which doesn't get taken away with "she deserved it" logic. This is so bizarre to me. She 'deserved' it because she made an irresponsible decision. She got pregnant (there, are you happy?) when she could not afford (or did not want) a baby. Now we have to extinguish this life because she was irresponsible. So why am I supposed to feel bad for her? It has nothing to do with hating women. The man is equally at fault. They were both stupid. Its unfortunate that the woman is the one who has to suffer for it but until we can find a way to make men pregnant as well that's just how it is. Sorry, but laws in civilized societies don't work on "they deserved it" logic. People don't get charged less for rape because the girl was dressing provocatively. If you seriously wonder why and think it's bizarre that "they had it coming" logic isn't put into law then that only speaks volumes about you. Also, I like how you previously stated it's arguable whether fetuses are considered children and pro-choicers are just having it set in stone that they're not, when here you are acting like it's for certain that fetuses ARE children. It really diminishes (who am I kidding? It destroys) your argument that you're seeing both sides and just exposes you as just another bog-standard anti-abortionist with the same bog-standard ignorant and regressive "they deserve it" rhetoric that anti-abortionists are laughed at by developed countries. Did you actually think you're going to change anyone's mind by repeating the same things anti-abortionists spout all the time? All you're doing is further affirming that you're in the wrong. ....This is....just so warped. First of all, I'll say it again. Personally I feel like fetuses are children. You may disagree with me and that's fine. If you are pro-choice because you disagree with me that's fine. But don't make it sound like that's an easy decision. If you are talking about POTENTIALLY killing what COULD be a life please treat that with respect. Secondly, laws do actually work on 'they deserved it' logic. When you make a decision that leads to harmful things, you are charged. This has nothing to do with being raped by dressing provocatively, but it's scary that this is how you view pregnancy. You are actually saying that if you have sex you are not responsible for getting pregnant if you didn't mean to? Its really the same thing as the child support laws to be honest. The man is not paying because he 'deserved it' hes paying because he is responsible for the child he created by his choice. You didn't read a word he said. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:898296040] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote>Nowhere in there do you blame the mother</quote> Yeah, this is pretty much what it boils down to. <cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote>My stance is 'no you cannot kill your baby, please stop having them'. All of us could be doing more to help foster children but I don't see what puts you in the moral right here.</quote> Of course you don't. Anti-abortionists are irrational and backwards which is revealed as soon as they're questioned a tiny bit on their ideals. You don't realize that most developed countries ARE having less children. Every developed country has abortion though because in any civilized society a woman has the right to their body which doesn't get taken away with "she deserved it" logic.</quote> This is so bizarre to me. She 'deserved' it because she made an irresponsible decision. She got pregnant (there, are you happy?) when she could not afford (or did not want) a baby. Now we have to extinguish this life because she was irresponsible. So why am I supposed to feel bad for her? It has nothing to do with hating women. The man is equally at fault. They were both stupid. Its unfortunate that the woman is the one who has to suffer for it but until we can find a way to make men pregnant as well that's just how it is.</quote> Sorry, but laws in civilized societies don't work on "they deserved it" logic. People don't get charged less for rape because the girl was dressing provocatively. If you seriously wonder why and think it's bizarre that "they had it coming" logic isn't put into law then that only speaks volumes about you. Also, I like how you previously stated it's arguable whether fetuses are considered children and pro-choicers are just having it set in stone that they're not, when here you are acting like it's for certain that fetuses ARE children. It really diminishes (who am I kidding? It destroys) your argument that you're seeing both sides and just exposes you as just another bog-standard anti-abortionist with the same bog-standard ignorant and regressive "they deserve it" rhetoric that anti-abortionists are laughed at by developed countries. Did you actually think you're going to change anyone's mind by repeating the same things anti-abortionists spout all the time? All you're doing is further affirming that you're in the wrong.</quote> ....This is....just so warped. First of all, I'll say it again. Personally I feel like fetuses are children. You may disagree with me and that's fine. If you are pro-choice because you disagree with me that's fine. But don't make it sound like that's an easy decision. If you are talking about POTENTIALLY killing what COULD be a life please treat that with respect. Secondly, laws do actually work on 'they deserved it' logic. When you make a decision that leads to harmful things, you are charged. This has nothing to do with being raped by dressing provocatively, but it's scary that this is how you view pregnancy. You are actually saying that if you have sex you are not responsible for getting pregnant if you didn't mean to? Its really the same thing as the child support laws to be honest. The man is not paying because he 'deserved it' hes paying because he is responsible for the child he created by his choice.</quote> You didn't read a word he said.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HHH is the game 03/22/18 4:13:22 PM #148:	But you are literally saying that if you have sex you should not have to be responsible. If we are looking for the problem with all the unwanted children, I would think it would start here! When we think that somebody having sex and getting pregnant gives them no responsibility and they should just wildly and stupidly keep having kids without any respect for the consequences of their actions. --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:898296099] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote>But you are literally saying that if you have sex you should not have to be responsible. If we are looking for the problem with all the unwanted children, I would think it would start here! When we think that somebody having sex and getting pregnant gives them no responsibility and they should just wildly and stupidly keep having kids without any respect for the consequences of their actions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 03/22/18 4:14:29 PM #149:	HHH is the game posted... But you are literally saying that if you have sex you should not have to be responsible. If we are looking for the problem with all the unwanted children, I would think it would start here! When we think that somebody having sex and getting pregnant gives them no responsibility and they should just wildly and stupidly keep having kids without any respect for the consequences of their actions. Having an abortion is taking responsibility. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:898296167] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote>But you are literally saying that if you have sex you should not have to be responsible. If we are looking for the problem with all the unwanted children, I would think it would start here! When we think that somebody having sex and getting pregnant gives them no responsibility and they should just wildly and stupidly keep having kids without any respect for the consequences of their actions.</quote> Having an abortion is taking responsibility.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HHH is the game 03/22/18 4:14:57 PM #150:	_Rinku_ posted... You didn't read a word he said. I....did? there was no 'they deserved it' thinking. There was simply saying that people are responsible for the consequences of their actions and that sex isn't something that should be taken lightly nobody in their right mind would say that getting raped is a natural consequence of dressing provocatively. How can you compare that to saying having a baby is a natural consequence of having unprotected sex? --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:898296192] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote>You didn't read a word he said.</quote> I....did? there was no 'they deserved it' thinking. There was simply saying that people are responsible for the consequences of their actions and that sex isn't something that should be taken lightly nobody in their right mind would say that getting raped is a natural consequence of dressing provocatively. How can you compare that to saying having a baby is a natural consequence of having unprotected sex?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HHH is the game 03/22/18 4:15:50 PM #151:	_Rinku_ posted... HHH is the game posted... But you are literally saying that if you have sex you should not have to be responsible. If we are looking for the problem with all the unwanted children, I would think it would start here! When we think that somebody having sex and getting pregnant gives them no responsibility and they should just wildly and stupidly keep having kids without any respect for the consequences of their actions. Having an abortion is taking responsibility. Well that may be your opinion, though in my opinion its pushing off your own mistakes onto the child that you created. --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:898296254] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote>But you are literally saying that if you have sex you should not have to be responsible. If we are looking for the problem with all the unwanted children, I would think it would start here! When we think that somebody having sex and getting pregnant gives them no responsibility and they should just wildly and stupidly keep having kids without any respect for the consequences of their actions.</quote> Having an abortion is taking responsibility.</quote> Well that may be your opinion, though in my opinion its pushing off your own mistakes onto the child that you created.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 03/22/18 4:17:54 PM #152:	HHH is the game posted... _Rinku_ posted... HHH is the game posted... But you are literally saying that if you have sex you should not have to be responsible. If we are looking for the problem with all the unwanted children, I would think it would start here! When we think that somebody having sex and getting pregnant gives them no responsibility and they should just wildly and stupidly keep having kids without any respect for the consequences of their actions. Having an abortion is taking responsibility. Well that may be your opinion, though in my opinion its pushing off your own mistakes onto the child that you created. No, it's a fact that choosing not to have an unwanted child is a form of taking responsibility. It may not be a path you would choose or even like, but that doesn't diminish its legitimacy. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:898296375] in You know w... [t:76441844]...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote>But you are literally saying that if you have sex you should not have to be responsible. If we are looking for the problem with all the unwanted children, I would think it would start here! When we think that somebody having sex and getting pregnant gives them no responsibility and they should just wildly and stupidly keep having kids without any respect for the consequences of their actions.</quote> Having an abortion is taking responsibility.</quote> Well that may be your opinion, though in my opinion its pushing off your own mistakes onto the child that you created.</quote> No, it's a fact that choosing not to have an unwanted child is a form of taking responsibility. It may not be a path you would choose or even like, but that doesn't diminish its legitimacy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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