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Ray-Ray posted...

it is pretty simple, a human takes refuge in your body

you should have choice if you wanna let them or not

Yes, exactly. I agree. And when you decide to have sex unprotected, and let the human in your body, then should it not be your responsibility to take care of it?

only if you want to

Are you not required by law to take care of your children?

You are not required by law to give birth to a baby you are not prepared to raise for any reason. Women are allowed to do whatever the hell they want with their own bodies
Zikten posted...

yea, pro choice people call pro life people evil which never made sense to me. whenever I see a pro choicer spewing hate speech at a pro lifer and accusing the pro lifer of being pure evil and a monster, I feel like I am on Bizzaro World

The reality about pro-lifers is that they don't actually care about the well being of the baby once they're actually born, or the well-being of the parents. I've already seen people suggest women who get impregnated from rape should have to give birth to the baby, and we've already seen your stupid ass posts defending a (hypothetical or not) father calling his own daughter a baby-killer. Yet you're the one in "bizarro world".
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The reality about pro-lifers is that they don't actually care about the well being of the baby once they're actually born, or the well-being of the parents. I've already seen people suggest women who get impregnated from rape should have to give birth to the baby, and we've already seen your stupid ass posts defending a (hypothetical or not) father calling his own daughter a baby-killer. Yet you're the one in "bizarro world".

What in the world are you talking about a father calling his own daughter a baby-killer?

Of course I care about the well being of the baby once its born, I just think when the unwanted pregnancy happens the unfortunate mistake was already made. Putting a baby in the foster system to me is the better of the two bad options, the second of which (to me) is ending a human life that had no say.

But yes, I agree, that neither is a good situation. Its just I believe that we should concentrate on trying to avoid pregnancy, give more birth control, or preach about the dangers of sex. Whereas you guys seem to be preaching that the mother did not do anything wrong, she should be able to have unprotected sex as much as she wants, so long as she (in some people's opinion) kills the fetus. If you don't believe the fetus is a life fine, but AGAIN, acknowledge the possibility for a second that it is
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What in the world are you talking about a father calling his own daughter a baby-killer?

That was in reference to another topic.

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Of course I care about the well being of the baby once its born, I just think when the unwanted pregnancy happens the unfortunate mistake was already made. Putting a baby in the foster system to me is the better of the two bad options, the second of which (to me) is ending a human life that had no say.

Foster system results in a shitload of children with no family, growing up feeling unwanted. I'd rather be aborted than go through that.
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So if you are pro-choice that's fine, but the idea that you act like this is an easy decision is absolutely horrendous to me.

I agree w/ this
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Foster system results in a s***load of children with no family, growing up feeling unwanted. I'd rather be aborted than go through that.

I most CERTAINLY would not. And I guess we will never agree
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I fully acknowledge that abortion could, at any point in time, be constituted as murder of a human being.

But I don't care.

The woman involved always gets priority, period, end of discussion, no amount of selective-compassion from pro-lifers will ever change my mind about this, nor will I ever cease viewing most pro-lifers as shitty people in general because most of them are self-righteous hypocrites.

There's no "good guy" in this debate, never was or will be, but I at least have the fucking self-awareness to admit it, can't say the same for the other side at all.
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Ray-Ray posted...

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Ray-Ray posted...

it is pretty simple, a human takes refuge in your body

you should have choice if you wanna let them or not

Yes, exactly. I agree. And when you decide to have sex unprotected, and let the human in your body, then should it not be your responsibility to take care of it?

only if you want to

Are you not required by law to take care of your children?

You are not required by law to give birth to a baby you are not prepared to raise for any reason. Women are allowed to do whatever the hell they want with their own bodies
Zikten posted...

yea, pro choice people call pro life people evil which never made sense to me. whenever I see a pro choicer spewing hate speech at a pro lifer and accusing the pro lifer of being pure evil and a monster, I feel like I am on Bizzaro World

The reality about pro-lifers is that they don't actually care about the well being of the baby once they're actually born, or the well-being of the parents. I've already seen people suggest women who get impregnated from rape should have to give birth to the baby, and we've already seen your stupid ass posts defending a (hypothetical or not) father calling his own daughter a baby-killer. Yet you're the one in "bizarro world".

I have made my opinion clear many times that I am in favor of increased funding for child care of orphans to give them a better life

Asherlee10 posted...

That is just fine for you to hold that opinion. My recommendation is to not get an abortion since it is morally impermissible to you. Otherwise, you have no business telling someone else whether they can or cannot have one.

So you don't care about social issues? You don't care about school shootings, or murder, or police violence, etc, because it doesn't personally involve you? We shouldn't care about other people unless its our business? We shouldn't fight for gun control for the sake of others? The only reason we're allowed to care is because it involves ourselves?

Im sorry I don't subscribe to the idea that we should only be concerned with ourselves, in my opinion you need to protect the rights of others. And yes, I know what you'll say, but again, I protect the right of the baby over the right of the mother, because the mother chose to have sex, and the baby did not get a say. Just like how the father has to pay child support because he chose to have sex, and the baby did not get a say.
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The Catgirl Fondler posted...

The woman involved always gets priority, period, end of discussion, no amount of selective-compassion from pro-lifers will ever change my mind about this, nor will I ever cease viewing most pro-lifers as s***ty people in general because most of them are self-righteous hypocrites.

There's no "good guy" in this debate, never was or will be, but I at least have the f***ing self-awareness to admit it, can't say the same for the other side at all.

You literally just called pro-lifers shitty people.

And to be honest this discussion has really strengthened my own views as I saw how awfully the pro-choicers treat people.

Anyways Ill stop here because I can tell we won't agree. But if a woman chooses to have sex, and a baby is born, I do personally believe the right of that innocent child comes before the right of somebody who created it through their own mistake.

Just as a man consents to child support by having sex, I think a woman consents to carrying a child and protecting its life.
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The Catgirl Fondler posted...

The woman involved always gets priority, period, end of discussion, no amount of selective-compassion from pro-lifers will ever change my mind about this, nor will I ever cease viewing most pro-lifers as s***ty people in general because most of them are self-righteous hypocrites.

There's no "good guy" in this debate, never was or will be, but I at least have the f***ing self-awareness to admit it, can't say the same for the other side at all.

You literally just called pro-lifers shitty people.

And to be honest this discussion has really strengthened my own views as I saw how awfully the pro-choicers treat people.

Anyways Ill stop here because I can tell we won't agree. But if a woman chooses to have sex, and a baby is born, I do personally believe the right of that innocent child comes before the right of somebody who created it through their own mistake.

Just as a man consents to child support by having sex, I think a woman consents to carrying a child and protecting its life.

Pro-lifers are shitty people. Full stop. You want to restrict women's rights for the sake of your feelings.

If you personally wouldn't have an abortion, but don't wish to infringe on others' right to do so, you're actually pro-choice. You choose not to have an abortion and respect someone else's choice to have one.

There's always so much hyperbole in these topics. There's not a lot of people that treat getting an abortion like any other mundane decision, and if there is, then they aren't people that should be having children in the first place.

It is a difficult, awful choice to make, but that's the important thing. That it remains a choice. I care about the rights of the woman over the rights of the unborn baby, and that's really all there is to it. Making abortion available has been proven to reduce abortions and unwanted pregnancies in the long run, but it seems a lot of pro-lifers are too short-sighted to see that. They only seem to care about the baby being born without taking everything else into consideration, and that's very unfortunate.
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This is so bizarre to me. She 'deserved' it because she made an irresponsible decision. She got pregnant (there, are you happy?) when she could not afford (or did not want) a baby.

Now we have to extinguish this life because she was irresponsible.

So why am I supposed to feel bad for her?

It has nothing to do with hating women. The man is equally at fault. They were both stupid. Its unfortunate that the woman is the one who has to suffer for it but until we can find a way to make men pregnant as well that's just how it is.

Sorry, but laws in civilized societies don't work on "they deserved it" logic. People don't get charged less for rape because the girl was dressing provocatively.
If you seriously wonder why and think it's bizarre that "they had it coming" logic isn't put into law then that only speaks volumes about you.
Also, I like how you previously stated it's arguable whether fetuses are considered children and pro-choicers are just having it set in stone that they're not, when here you are acting like it's for certain that fetuses ARE children. It really diminishes (who am I kidding? It destroys) your argument that you're seeing both sides and just exposes you as just another bog-standard anti-abortionist with the same bog-standard ignorant and regressive "they deserve it" rhetoric that anti-abortionists are laughed at by developed countries.
Did you actually think you're going to change anyone's mind by repeating the same things anti-abortionists spout all the time? All you're doing is further affirming that you're in the wrong.

....This is....just so warped.

First of all, I'll say it again. Personally I feel like fetuses are children. You may disagree with me and that's fine. If you are pro-choice because you disagree with me that's fine. But don't make it sound like that's an easy decision. If you are talking about POTENTIALLY killing what COULD be a life please treat that with respect.

Secondly, laws do actually work on 'they deserved it' logic. When you make a decision that leads to harmful things, you are charged. This has nothing to do with being raped by dressing provocatively, but it's scary that this is how you view pregnancy. You are actually saying that if you have sex you are not responsible for getting pregnant if you didn't mean to? Its really the same thing as the child support laws to be honest. The man is not paying because he 'deserved it' hes paying because he is responsible for the child he created by his choice.

Someone who wants to take away the rights of women, to harm both the future child and society with another uncared for child solely because the parents "deserved it" is calling another idea warped . Priceless. And like I said, even if it was a child, which it isn't, the women have a right to not have anyone inside them. The goal isn't to kill the fetus. Its to remove it. It's not taking away the fetus's right to live (which it doesn't have anyways) because the fetus still has the chance to survive on its own without infringing on anyone's body.
And no. There isn't any law that involves the "they deserve it attitude" for a consequence of an action that isn't a crime unless you want to criminalize unprotected sex
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I saw how awfully the pro-choicers treat people.

And pro-lifers are no better, given just how many of you treat women as expendable breeding stock who somehow "deserve it".

Again, I can at least acknowledge I'm picking and choosing lives, I'm at least consistent in my stance of "choice" as heinous as the concept sounds when applied to this situation. You, by default, self-defeat your views the *instant* you disregard the woman in this scenario as some sort of "lesser than" or "acceptable sacrifice".

I'm the honest monster to your fake saint, that's all.
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The Catgirl Fondler posted...

The woman involved always gets priority, period, end of discussion, no amount of selective-compassion from pro-lifers will ever change my mind about this, nor will I ever cease viewing most pro-lifers as s***ty people in general because most of them are self-righteous hypocrites.

There's no "good guy" in this debate, never was or will be, but I at least have the f***ing self-awareness to admit it, can't say the same for the other side at all.

You literally just called pro-lifers shitty people.

And to be honest this discussion has really strengthened my own views as I saw how awfully the pro-choicers treat people.

Anyways Ill stop here because I can tell we won't agree. But if a woman chooses to have sex, and a baby is born, I do personally believe the right of that innocent child comes before the right of somebody who created it through their own mistake.

Just as a man consents to child support by having sex, I think a woman consents to carrying a child and protecting its life.

Pro-lifers are shitty people. Full stop. You want to restrict women's rights for the sake of your feelings.

If you personally wouldn't have an abortion, but don't wish to infringe on others' right to do so, you're actually pro-choice. You choose not to have an abortion and respect someone else's choice to have one.

.....I know I said I was done but you are seriously the shitty one here, the way you call this an issue of feelings when we are talking about the LIVES of unborn children. Its....honestly? It makes me sick to hear how you don't even acknowledge the child and only mention the mother.

But I do think I get it. It helps you sleep at night to pretend this is not a similar issue to those other issues. It makes it easier for you to make your decision when you don't acknowledge the possibility that there are two lives in question. After all if there was only one its an easy choice. And so you don't acknowledge it.

A school shooting is related because both are related to the deaths of children. I am against the deaths of children. Which is why I am pro gun control and anti abortion. You can't tell me to not get involved because I am not a child at a school , or dont have a child. I care anyways.

I do believe that somebody could believe a fetus is not a child. But you haven't even considered the thought. You haven't even given it two seconds thought and you are calling pro-lifers shitty. You quite honestly should be ashamed for yourself.

If people talked about 'you want gun control because of your feelings' I feel like most people are willing to call that out as a shitty attitude. If after Parkland, people said 'Awwww you want gun control because of your feewings' (which people were saying about abortion in another topic) then people would call it out for what it is. But you do it with abortion.

Again, I get it. You don't think a fetus is a life. But you should at least give it a hell of a lot of thought and respect those who don't agree with you on it. I respect somebody who acknowledges it as a complicated question but I will never respect somebody who thinks this is a simple question and is a matter of 'feelings'
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Zikten posted...

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ve never understood the pro-life argument. Its literally telling people how to live their life and thinking youre morally better than the other side. Like, how is that morally better?

because we see it as murder. it's not about telling people how to live their life. its about letting babies live their life. you are looking at it wrong. pro lifers are pro lifers to save lives. it's all about just keeping a baby alive. nothing else.

you get all focused on people being lectured and you ignore the main issue of the life of the baby. the reason you don't understand the view point is cause you don't understand the motives. you just admitted you think pro lifers are doing it just to control people. which is wrong. maybe if you tried to understand the opinion of them, you would realize why they do it, and maybe not hate them as much as you realize they are humans too, with a different philosophy that makes them think they are correct.

I dont care about the life of the baby because if its getting aborted, theres likely a legitimate reason. Bad environment, no money, health reasons, etc.

Im sorry that the pro-life people only care about the child until birth and then dont care. Because they think our shitty and underfunded adoption/foster care system can burden the children when they already cant.

Its also not murder so you can kindly shut the fuck up about that.
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The Catgirl Fondler posted...

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I saw how awfully the pro-choicers treat people.

And pro-lifers are no better, given just how many of you treat women as expendable breeding stock who somehow "deserve it".

Again, I can at least acknowledge I'm picking and choosing lives, I'm at least consistent in my stance of "choice" as heinous as the concept sounds when applied to this situation. You, by default, self-defeat your views the *instant* you disregard the woman in this scenario as some sort of "lesser than" or "acceptable sacrifice".

I'm the honest monster to your fake saint, that's all.

Is it hard to be very careful and responsible with sex, or even to not have sex at all if youre very worried about the idea of having a child?? To take birth control, to make sure the man wears a condom, etc, etc, etc?

Is manslaughter not a crime? Is manslaughter not when non-criminal actions cause the death of a person due to some form of negligence? Do people not get sued all the time for actions that while not necessarily criminal caused another great distress?

I really do hope that you guys are just as against any form of child support system, because it would be saying a man 'deserved it' by having sex.
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If we're really going to talk about which group is shittier, I'd say the group that stands outside clinics and screams at women and calling them murderers for making a very personal decision, and will even go as far as bombing the clinics and shooting doctors is objectively shittier.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Im sorry that the pro-life people only care about the child until birth and then dont care. Because they think our s***ty and underfunded adoption/foster care system can burden the children when they already cant.

Its also not murder so you can kindly shut the f*** up about that.

Its not murder, in your opinion on a very difficult philosophical question. You guys remind me of the scenes on Breaking Bad where Walt takes responsibility for his actions...by killing the people who could turn him in.

I care about the child after birth! Again. I think people should be careful and not have children that they cannot support. If they do have them Id rather the child survive than die.

I dont think people are the good guys by saying that children should die if they will have to go into the foster system.

I think my stance is 'people need to stop having children. Please stop having children you cant support. This child deserves to live but his life is going to be very difficult. Can we please stop creating more foster children than the system can handle?"

Its just I think that the responsibility should be on people to stop having children and you think that we should solve the problem by exterminating the babies
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jborgan posted...

If we're really going to talk about which group is shittier, I'd say the group that stands outside clinics and screams at women and calling them murderers for making a very personal decision, and will even go as far as bombing the clinics and shooting doctors is objectively shittier.

Stop calling it a personal decision when there is are two lives at stake not one
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jborgan posted...

If we're really going to talk about which group is shittier, I'd say the group that stands outside clinics and screams at women and calling them murderers for making a very personal decision, and will even go as far as bombing the clinics and shooting doctors is objectively shittier.

That's a very small portion of pro lofers. The extremists

I sicken you? Good. I'll continue to stand by what's right and enjoy nauseating blowhards along the way.

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If we're really going to talk about which group is shittier, I'd say the group that stands outside clinics and screams at women and calling them murderers for making a very personal decision, and will even go as far as bombing the clinics and shooting doctors is objectively shittier.

Stop calling it a personal decision when there is are two lives at stake not one

It is a personal decision. The rights of the woman supersede the rights of the unborn.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Im sorry that the pro-life people only care about the child until birth and then dont care. Because they think our shitty and underfunded adoption/foster care system can burden the children when they already cant.

This is a lie. I care even after the birth. I already said I would pay higher taxes to support the children

Let's be real. You can split pro choice women in half. Half are crazy feminists that couldn't get men to touch them if they tried. The other half are sluts that want an excuse to be sluts and have a bunch of unprotected sex.
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This debate is pointless. Neither side will ever change their mind. Both sides see themselves as heroes and the other side as villains. It will never end. I'm fucking done

byron posted...

thepope_3290 posted...

Let's be real. You can split pro choice women in half. Half are crazy feminists that couldn't get men to touch them if they tried. The other half are sluts that want an excuse to be sluts and have a bunch of unprotected sex.

Found another bitter virgin^

Only bitter virgins call people bitter virgins
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Zikten posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Im sorry that the pro-life people only care about the child until birth and then dont care. Because they think our shitty and underfunded adoption/foster care system can burden the children when they already cant.

This is a lie. I care even after the birth. I already said I would pay higher taxes to support the children

No, you wouldnt. And even if you would, the vast majority of conservatives would rather legalize abortion then raise taxes.

And again: its not an opinion, abortion is literally not murder. Stop spreading that TC. If you dont want an abortion, dont have one. Its not a life.
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Im actually a liberal thanks.

But I just want to say that if you don't want a gun? Don't buy one.

I guess we just solved gun control.

does that sound right to you?
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Yes, because a killing machine and an unborn technically parasite is the same thing. Bravo, continue with that iron clad logic
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Ray-Ray posted...

it is pretty simple, a human takes refuge in your body

you should have choice if you wanna let them or not

Yes, exactly. I agree. And when you decide to have sex unprotected, and let the human in your body, then should it not be your responsibility to take care of it?

The thing is, you aren't letting it in. The brain is astronomically more evolved than any other organ or system in the human body, but it is not so evolved that will alone can override any other biological system. In certain cases, it actually can, such as when you're sleeping, to name an example. Will alone can not override conception when a person does not wish to procreate. If you could have unprotected sex and simply decide not to get pregnant and you wouldn't, that would be ideal, and if that was true for the human brain, anyone getting pregnant would be letting the human in as you put it. That is not the case though. If someone walks into your home and steals your stuff when you've left the door unlocked, sure, you left the door unlocked. What did you think was going to happen? However, the thief still broke in and committed a criminal act and is liable for the stolen property. You didn't let the thief in. Even if you had locked your door, they may have broken in anyway, which parallels conception scenarios such as failed birth control and rape.

If a person does not want a biological offspring inside of them, they should not have to carry it simply because they wanted to do something that had the potential to lead to its conception. If it's unwanted, it's not much different than a parasite. The "personal responsibility" argument is taken too far in the abortion debate.

If you want to make abortion illegal, you should also make it a crime for anyone who does not desire biological offspring to have sex. That's the only way that makes it fair. If I don't have the right to put my penis in a woman's vagina because I never want kids, I can't complain if I do and she gets pregnant. If I don't have the right to allow a penis into my vagina of i don't wish to bear a child, then I can't complain if I do and become pregnant. Question is... do you want to live in a world like that? Do you want those rights infringed upon? Even then, that scenario doesn't even factor in rape, incest, instances where the fetus has terminal defects, instances where the girl/woman's life is in danger if she is to give birth, or any other outlier circumstance.
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I don't think pro-choicers are shitty

I think the pro choicers in this topic are shitty

Theyve literally proven everything I say.

Nobody said mind your own business after Parkland. Don't tell me to mind my own business about abortion.

I will never respect an argument that doesnt acknowledge the complexity of when life begins.

Either you are not intelligent enough to think about it, or you cant think about it because it will make it hard for your conscience.

We might not agree on the answer. But if you can't even respect the complexity of the question then you are truly dangerous.
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Im actually a liberal thanks.

But I just want to say that if you don't want a gun? Don't buy one.

I guess we just solved gun control.

does that sound right to you?

If this is meant to convey what I think it's meant to convey, I'm actually very glad you ninja'd me.
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Ray-Ray posted...

it is pretty simple, a human takes refuge in your body

you should have choice if you wanna let them or not

Yes, exactly. I agree. And when you decide to have sex unprotected, and let the human in your body, then should it not be your responsibility to take care of it?

The thing is, you aren't letting it in. The brain is astronomically more evolved than any other organ or system in the human body, but it is not so evolved that will alone can override any other biological system. In certain cases, it actually can, such as when you're sleeping, to name an example. Will alone can not override conception when a person does not wish to procreate. If you could have unprotected sex and simply decide not to get pregnant and you wouldn't, that would be ideal, and if that was true for the human brain, anyone getting pregnant would be letting the human in as you put it. That is not the case though. If someone walks into your home and steals your stuff when you've left the door unlocked, sure, you left the door unlocked. What did you think was going to happen? However, the thief still broke in and committed a criminal act and is liable for the stolen property. You didn't let the thief in. Even if you had locked your door, they may have broken in anyway, which parallels conception scenarios such as failed birth control and rape.

If a person does not want a biological offspring inside of them, they should not have to carry it simply because they wanted to do something that had the potential to lead to its conception. If it's unwanted, it's not much different than a parasite. The "personal responsibility" argument is taken too far in the abortion debate.

If you want to make abortion illegal, you should also make it a crime for anyone who does not desire biological offspring to have sex. That's the only way that makes it fair. If I don't have the right to put my penis in a woman's vagina because I never want kids, I can't complain if I do and she gets pregnant. If I don't have the right to allow a penis into my vagina of i don't wish to bear a child, then I can't complain if I do and become pregnant. Question is... do you want to live in a world like that? Do you want those rights infringed upon? Even then, that scenario doesn't even factor in rape, incest, instances where the fetus has terminal defects, instances where the girl/woman's life is in danger if she is to give birth, or any other outlier circumstance.

You realize child support laws literally ALREADY work this way, right? The man is responsible because he had sex and led to the creation of the child.
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

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Im actually a liberal thanks.

But I just want to say that if you don't want a gun? Don't buy one.

I guess we just solved gun control.

does that sound right to you?

If this is meant to convey what I think it's meant to convey, I'm actually very glad you ninja'd me.

I believe in gun control, but to me the arguments are equally absurd. the fact is liberals are often the ones saying this so Im trying to put this in language they will understand how ridiculous it sounds
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I don't really care about the whole debate but I'm definetly pro choice. You want to get a abortion? Go ahead idgaf not like the worlds hurting for population. Comparing it to murder is a emotional response I can't relate to
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I don't really care about the whole debate but I'm definetly pro choice. You want to get a abortion? Go ahead idgaf not like the worlds hurting for population. Comparing it to murder is a emotional response I can't relate to

Its not an emotional response if you believe the fetus is alive.
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Key posted...

I don't really care about the whole debate but I'm definetly pro choice. You want to get a abortion? Go ahead idgaf not like the worlds hurting for population. Comparing it to murder is a emotional response I can't relate to

Its not an emotional response if you believe the fetus is alive.

It's an emotional response because you let your belief (itself an emotional response) guide it.

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Key posted...

I don't really care about the whole debate but I'm definetly pro choice. You want to get a abortion? Go ahead idgaf not like the worlds hurting for population. Comparing it to murder is a emotional response I can't relate to

Its not an emotional response if you believe the fetus is alive.

It's an emotional response because you let your belief (itself an emotional response) guide it.

Hate to tell you this, but there's really no other way to handle this. You are saying the argument that works best for your side, but you are basing it on your own belief that it is NOT alive
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Its not an emotional response if you believe the fetus is alive.

Sure if you want to believe that go ahead. Won't change my mind. The way I see it abortions aren't much different than birth control
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_Rinku_ posted...

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Key posted...

I don't really care about the whole debate but I'm definetly pro choice. You want to get a abortion? Go ahead idgaf not like the worlds hurting for population. Comparing it to murder is a emotional response I can't relate to

Its not an emotional response if you believe the fetus is alive.

It's an emotional response because you let your belief (itself an emotional response) guide it.

Hate to tell you this, but there's really no other way to handle this. You are saying the argument that works best for your side, but you are basing it on your own belief that it is NOT alive

Oh man, good condescension there.

Legally, yeah, you're not alive until you're born. Where are you even drawing this boogeyman from?

At least own up to the fact that you're acting on emotions.

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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

HHH is the game posted...

Ray-Ray posted...

it is pretty simple, a human takes refuge in your body

you should have choice if you wanna let them or not

Yes, exactly. I agree. And when you decide to have sex unprotected, and let the human in your body, then should it not be your responsibility to take care of it?

The thing is, you aren't letting it in. The brain is astronomically more evolved than any other organ or system in the human body, but it is not so evolved that will alone can override any other biological system. In certain cases, it actually can, such as when you're sleeping, to name an example. Will alone can not override conception when a person does not wish to procreate. If you could have unprotected sex and simply decide not to get pregnant and you wouldn't, that would be ideal, and if that was true for the human brain, anyone getting pregnant would be letting the human in as you put it. That is not the case though. If someone walks into your home and steals your stuff when you've left the door unlocked, sure, you left the door unlocked. What did you think was going to happen? However, the thief still broke in and committed a criminal act and is liable for the stolen property. You didn't let the thief in. Even if you had locked your door, they may have broken in anyway, which parallels conception scenarios such as failed birth control and rape.

If a person does not want a biological offspring inside of them, they should not have to carry it simply because they wanted to do something that had the potential to lead to its conception. If it's unwanted, it's not much different than a parasite. The "personal responsibility" argument is taken too far in the abortion debate.

If you want to make abortion illegal, you should also make it a crime for anyone who does not desire biological offspring to have sex. That's the only way that makes it fair. If I don't have the right to put my penis in a woman's vagina because I never want kids, I can't complain if I do and she gets pregnant. If I don't have the right to allow a penis into my vagina of i don't wish to bear a child, then I can't complain if I do and become pregnant. Question is... do you want to live in a world like that? Do you want those rights infringed upon? Even then, that scenario doesn't even factor in rape, incest, instances where the fetus has terminal defects, instances where the girl/woman's life is in danger if she is to give birth, or any other outlier circumstance.

You realize child support laws literally ALREADY work this way, right? The man is responsible because he had sex and led to the creation of the child.

The child in this scenario is not aborted though.
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HHH is the game posted...

Im actually a liberal thanks.

But I just want to say that if you don't want a gun? Don't buy one.

I guess we just solved gun control.

does that sound right to you?

That's one of the stupidest false equivalencies I've ever come across.
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