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LeonhartFour 04/16/18 1:35:07 PM #1: |
Pursuit of the perfect truth (of line counts), that is.
Here's all the line count data, if anyone wants to see it: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sBPDmATQERIv7R3VvvXx43DRJZNOwnSwmLkZhfWLqSc/edit?usp=sharing I've also compiled all my time stats from last year here if anyone wants them, too: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qSdmjcbQjG_QPBFylHNgk7oVXRbsSjDetdO8w7Ygh8k/edit?usp=sharing --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Natwaf_akidna 04/16/18 1:47:33 PM #2: |
Woo more Ace Attorney
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LeonhartFour 04/16/18 3:16:27 PM #3: |
Whoo
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LeonhartFour 04/16/18 4:50:47 PM #4: |
I wonder if it would've been more obvious that Alba was the killer all along if they'd kept his Japanese name, CARNAGE ONRED
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LeonhartFour 04/16/18 5:23:25 PM #5: |
Lang catching Franziska's whip is yet another cool moment in E1-5 for him
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Paratroopa1 04/16/18 11:52:29 PM #6: |
E1-5 is seriously underrated
it has some real problems - I particularly hate the segment where they go outside and figure out the trick with the lights because it serves NO purpose and doesn't connect to the rest of the crime in any way - but there's a lot of cool shit in it I don't even think the Alba confrontation is that bad although it is pretty comical how many times he tries to leave. And the drop of blood on the japanese flag is probably the most amazing coincidence in the series ever and that's saying a *lot*. but I still think it's fine ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 04/17/18 12:38:24 AM #7: |
Paratroopa1 posted...
it has some real problems - I particularly hate the segment where they go outside and figure out the trick with the lights because it serves NO purpose and doesn't connect to the rest of the crime in any way Yeah, E1-5 feels kinda disjointed at times, and that's probably the biggest example. Pretty much the only real takeaway from that segment is learning about the auto-refilling pool that they used to put out the fires (which you later use to piece together how Shih-na crossed into Babahl without anyone knowing), but it's not like you couldn't have learned about that some other way. And yeah, I don't think the Alba showdown is as bad as people make it out to be. He actually becomes a legit opponent once Lang strips him of his title because he can't just stonewall you with his authority anymore. The last couple of testimonies are really good, but I can't blame anyone for being worn down and ready for the case to be over at that point. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GTM 04/17/18 12:41:23 AM #8: |
I went to Video Games Live not expecting much and I wasn't feeling it, then they played some Ace Attorney music. Best concert ever
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NeoElfboy 04/17/18 2:17:00 AM #9: |
I like Alba because he legitimately feels like a tough nut to crack on multiple fronts. Some solidly challenging testimonies to break through (I generally thought AAI was pretty easy most of the time), and a diplomat is actually a pretty darn fitting "hard to pin something on" character for a prosecutor. I feel the game makes me believe that I could actually win this but it would be hard as hell, which is kinda the space you want to be in. I also quite liked how lots of little details I was wondering about from earlier in the case would be relevant.
I mean I still think it could be shorter/more streamlined (and yeah the light trick part is pointless) but I feel that about basically every epic case except perhaps DD's. (Well, 4-4 isn't that long either; I just hate 4-4.) --- The RPG Duelling League: www.rpgdl.com An unparalleled source for RPG information and discussion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 04/17/18 5:24:16 PM #10: |
Well, 4-4 is one of the shortest epic cases, so yeah, length isn't one of its many issues.
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LeonhartFour 04/18/18 5:18:51 PM #11: |
Real life is intervening so I'm probably not going to get to play much again until this weekend.
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LeonhartFour 04/18/18 6:02:48 PM #12: |
but to provide something AA related for the day
that fan pulley they used to switch the Primidux Statues that sure was a thing wasn't it --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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transcience 04/18/18 6:53:29 PM #13: |
I feel like my retention percentage of case details is lower in e1-5 than any other case. every time I play it, it feels like a brand new case because who can keep up with it?
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LeonhartFour 04/18/18 10:15:05 PM #14: |
E1-5 is very scattered for sure, but I think the high notes of the case are pretty easy to keep up with.
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_SecretSquirrel 04/18/18 11:42:00 PM #15: |
LeonhartFour posted...
but to provide something AA related for the day LOL Would ceiling fans really have the strength to pull those statues without falling out of the ceiling? --- Agent Triple Zero at your service! BKSheikah is the new greatone. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 04/19/18 12:29:14 AM #16: |
well technically one of them did fall out of the ceiling
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LeonhartFour 04/19/18 6:00:02 PM #17: |
I am tired
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LeonhartFour 04/20/18 4:50:48 PM #18: |
Kay: Mr. Edgeworth! Why are you telling us stuff we can clearly see for ourselves?!
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LeonhartFour 04/20/18 5:38:40 PM #19: |
Edgeworth coming up with the idea of using the crossbow to shoot the plant support sticks as arrows feels like something Phoenix would pull out of thin air, not him.
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LeonhartFour 04/20/18 8:07:06 PM #20: |
Edgeworth: It seems that we have finally arrived at the exit of this complex labyrinth.
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LeonhartFour 04/20/18 8:42:30 PM #21: |
Whew, finally reached the first checkpoint in E1-5 End. Alba's got some pretty great theme music, by the way.
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LeonhartFour 04/21/18 8:24:16 PM #22: |
Third time re-organizing the evidence in E1-5
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transience 04/21/18 8:45:02 PM #23: |
the lack of responses here is purely due to E1-5
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LeonhartFour 04/21/18 9:08:42 PM #24: |
it's due to the fact that it's taking me so long to beat
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transience 04/21/18 9:23:44 PM #25: |
that's because you're into e1-5 end
how's alba lookin' --- xyzzy ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 04/21/18 10:11:48 PM #26: |
still haven't gotten to the first testimony yet
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transcience 04/21/18 10:22:54 PM #27: |
I haven't!
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NeoElfboy 04/21/18 11:13:39 PM #28: |
Yeah I'm pretty sure we've already talked more about E1-5 than many other cases in this retread! There's a lot to talk about with it. I think it's really good, personally, but even those who don't tend to have an opinion on it!
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LeonhartFour 04/22/18 1:47:02 AM #29: |
you've gotta go through everything in Alba's office with Lang and Franziska, as well as figure out the trick to switching the statues and present the trump card just to get him to transform
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LeonhartFour 04/22/18 11:40:30 PM #30: |
Edgeworth and Franziska have a short conversation about how Alba used to be this decorated war hero who saved the royal family on numerous occasions, causing them to wonder what changed him into the ringleader of the smuggling ring
see looks like AAI already had the former national hero turned corrupt villain and little good it did us since we only ever see his evil side --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 04/22/18 11:47:53 PM #31: |
Edgeworth: No, there is clearly something odd about the bulge
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LeonhartFour 04/22/18 11:55:34 PM #32: |
Number of Alba hand raises so far: 3
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transcience 04/23/18 12:03:08 AM #33: |
feels like 9
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LeonhartFour 04/23/18 12:07:14 AM #34: |
well that was only after one testimony in
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LeonhartFour 04/23/18 12:29:51 AM #35: |
now that Lang has stripped Alba of his ambassadorship he actually starts taking this seriously so here's where it gets good
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LeonhartFour 04/23/18 12:42:52 AM #36: |
Edgeworth: You...! Is not every life precious?!
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LeonhartFour 04/23/18 12:45:33 AM #37: |
Alba sympathizing with Oldbag's bad hip is an oddly humanizing moment for him
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NeoElfboy 04/23/18 1:06:37 AM #38: |
LeonhartFour posted...
Edgeworth and Franziska have a short conversation about how Alba used to be this decorated war hero who saved the royal family on numerous occasions, causing them to wonder what changed him into the ringleader of the smuggling ring And he's a better character than the one in AAI2, yes! (He could have been better if we'd seen more of his good side, mind - both situations suffer from us not actually seeing them except in their stated role of president/war hero. To really nail these characters you kinda have to talk about background setting which is not something Ace Attorney is very good at to be frank.) --- The RPG Duelling League: www.rpgdl.com An unparalleled source for RPG information and discussion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 04/23/18 1:09:37 AM #39: |
NeoElfboy posted...
And he's a better character than the one in AAI2, yes! Nope --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 04/23/18 1:53:01 AM #40: |
thank you Lang for stopping E1-5 from becoming even longer than it already is
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LeonhartFour 04/23/18 2:31:30 AM #41: |
and Alba is finally down for the count
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LeonhartFour 04/23/18 3:06:50 AM #42: |
actually it's getting late and I'm tired so I'll finish up all these counts tomorrow
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LeonhartFour 04/23/18 1:48:17 PM #43: |
Total lines by character:
1. Phoenix Wright - 15074 2. Miles Edgeworth - 8480 3. Maya Fey - 4441 4. The Judge - 3846 5. Dick Gumshoe - 3308 6. Franziska von Karma - 2086 7. Mia Fey - 1418 8. Kay Faraday - 1218 9. Ema Skye - 1180 10. Pearl Fey - 1035 11. Godot - 902 12. Larry Butz - 879 13. Shi-Long Lang - 693 14. Dahlia Hawthorne - 578 15. Wendy Oldbag - 553 16. Calisto Yew/Shih-na - 489 17. Adrian Andrews - 459 18. Lotta Hart - 437 19. The Judge's Brother - 421 20. Bikini - 351 21. Will Powers - 329 22. Maggey Byrde - 323 23. Lawrence "Moe" Curls - 320 24. Manfred von Karma - 317 25. Tyrell Badd - 313 26. Quercus Alba - 303 27. Winston Payne - 301 28. Luke Atmey - 292 29. Damon Gant - 285 30. Ini Miney - 275 31. Angel Starr - 272 32. Ron DeLite - 269 33. Rhoda Teneiro - 268 34. Jake Marshall - 257 35. Jean Armstrong - 251 36. Lana Skye - 249 37. Victor Kudo - 247 38. Marvin Grossberg - 234 39. Jacques Portsman - 231 40. Shelly de Killer - 219 41. Maximillion Galactica - 203 42. Ben & Trilo Quist - 200 43. Mike Meekins - 183 44. Ken "Acro" Dingling - 182 45. Iris - 181 46. Furio Tigre - 176 47. Matt Engarde - 171 48. Cammy Meele - 168 49. Morgan Fey - 165 50. Redd White - 162 51. Regina Berry - 151 52. Colias Palaeno - 150 53. Dee Vasquez - 148 54. Zinc Lablanc - 146 55. Trilo Quist - 140 56. Desiree DeLite - 139 57. Cody Hackins - 135 58. Lauren Paups - 130 59. Richard Wellington - 107 60. April May - 104 61. Yanni Yogi - 98 62. Lance Amano - 92 63. Penny Nichols - 86 64. Viola Cadaverini - 80 65. Terry Fawles - 74 66. The Bellboy - 72 67. Director Hotti - 71 68. Ernest Amano - 68 69. Benjamin Woodman - 60 70. Sal Manella - 59 71. Frank Sahwit - 58 72. Chief of Detectives - 55 73. Lisa Basil - 46 74. Turner Grey - 39 75. Elise Deauxnim - 30 76. Polly - 20 77. Gregory Edgeworth - 5 Overall total lines - 57764 E1-5 Middle - 2476 E1-5 End - 1626 E1-5 Beginning - 729 Total lines by case: 2-4 - 5946 1-5 - 5913 3-5 - 5815 E1-5 - 4831 3-2 - 4151 3-3 - 4063 2-3 - 3884 1-4 - 3466 2-2 - 3119 E1-4 - 2935 1-3 - 2741 E1-3 - 2412 E1-2 - 1995 1-2 - 1773 3-4 - 1225 3-1 - 1167 E1-1 - 1039 2-2 - 899 1-1 - 389 Totals lines by game: T&T - 16422 PW1 - 14282 JFA - 13848 AAI1 - 13212 Total lines by character per case: Turnabout Ablaze (E1-5) 1. Miles Edgeworth - 2036 (42.14%) 2. Kay Faraday - 580 (12.01%) 3. Franziska von Karma - 432 (8.94%) 4. Shi-Long Lang - 430 (8.90%) 5. Quercus Alba - 303 (6.27%) 6. Dick Gumshoe - 278 (5.75%) 7. Calisto Yew/Shih-na - 210 (4.35%) 8. Larry Butz - 196 (4.06%) 9. Colias Palaeno - 150 (3.10%) 10. Other - 71 11. Tyrell Badd - 68 12. Wendy Oldbag - 62 13. Missile - 4 14. Maggey Byrde - 3 15. Manfred von Karma - 1 16. Rhoda Teneiro - 1 17. Zinc Lablanc - 1 18. Mike Meekins - 1 19. Ema Skye - 1 20. Lauren Paups - 1 21. The Judge - 1 Percentage of lines per case by game: Ace Attorney Investigations 1 E1-5 - 36.57% E1-4 - 22.21% E1-3 - 18.26% E1-2 - 15.10% E1-1 - 7.86% --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 04/23/18 1:48:48 PM #44: |
Total lines by character per game:
Ace Attorney Investigations 1 1. Miles Edgeworth - 5825 (44.09%) 2. Kay Faraday - 1218 (9.22%) 3. Franziska von Karma - 1168 (8.84%) 4. Dick Gumshoe - 1045 (7.91%) 5. Shi-Long Lang - 693 (5.25%) 6. Calisto Yew/Shih-na - 489 (3.70%) 7. Tyrell Badd - 313 8. Quercus Alba - 303 9. Rhoda Teneiro - 268 10. Jacques Portsman - 231 11. Other - 209 12. Larry Butz - 196 13. Cammy Meele - 168 14. Colias Palaeno - 150 15. Zinc Lablanc - 146 16. The Judge - 133 17. Lauren Paups - 130 18. Wendy Oldbag - 110 19. Lance Amano - 92 20. Manfred von Karma - 69 21. Ernest Amano - 68 22. Maggey Byrde - 66 23. Mike Meekins - 55 24. Ema Skye - 30 25. The Bellboy - 15 26. Mack Rell - 5 27. Missile - 4 28. Byrne Faraday - 2 29. Chief of Detectives - 2 30. Manny Coachen - 2 31. Sal Manella - 2 32. Winston Payne - 2 33. Buddy Faith - 2 Most lines per case: Phoenix Wright (2-4) - 2194 Miles Edgeworth (E1-5) - 2036 Phoenix Wright (1-5) - 2032 Phoenix Wright (3-5) - 1570 Phoenix Wright (3-3) - 1476 Phoenix Wright (3-2) - 1433 Phoenix Wright (2-2) - 1370 Miles Edgeworth (E1-4) - 1328 Phoenix Wright (2-3) - 1236 Phoenix Wright (1-4) - 1211 Phoenix Wright (1-3) - 1117 Miles Edgeworth (E1-3) - 1059 Miles Edgeworth (E1-2) - 936 Phoenix Wright (1-2) - 812 Miles Edgeworth (E1-1) - 466 Mia Fey (3-4) - 436 Mia Fey (3-1) - 396 Phoenix Wright (2-1) - 329 Phoenix Wright (1-1) - 135 Highest percentage of lines per case: Miles Edgeworth (E1-2) - 46.92% Phoenix Wright (1-2) - 45.80% Miles Edgeworth (E1-4) - 45.25% Miles Edgeworth (E1-1) - 44.85% Phoenix Wright (2-2) - 43.92% Miles Edgeworth (E1-3) - 43.91% Miles Edgeworth (E1-5) - 42.14% Phoenix Wright (1-3) - 40.75% Phoenix Wright (2-4) - 36.90% Phoenix Wright (2-1) - 36.60% Phoenix Wright (3-3) - 36.33% Mia Fey (3-4) - 35.59% Phoenix Wright (1-4) - 34.94% Phoenix Wright (1-1) - 34.70% Phoenix Wright (3-2) - 34.52% Phoenix Wright (1-5) - 34.36% Mia Fey (3-1) - 33.93% Phoenix Wright (2-3) - 31.82% Phoenix Wright (3-5) - 27.00% --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_Harmonica_ 04/23/18 3:30:42 PM #45: |
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Paratroopa1 04/23/18 3:38:10 PM #46: |
_Harmonica_ posted...
Judge seems like a lock for #3. Could Apollo overtake Maya? I am like, 95% confident Apollo will overtake Maya. He has 4-1, 4-2, 4-3, 4-4, 5-2, 6-2, and 6-5 as the playable character, 5-3 as the assistant, a major role in 5-4 and 5-5, and a minor role in 5-1 and 5-6. This is more than enough, especially since 6-5 is basically two cases. Apollo 6-5 is going to rank #1 in line count EASILY. Maya does have 6-6 as an assistant and a substantial number of lines in 6-3 as well as a tiny bit of 6-5, but I don't think it's enough when Apollo is the main character in effectively 8 cases and his 5-3 will eat Maya's 6-6 anyway. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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transience 04/23/18 3:45:44 PM #47: |
looks like Maya will hold off Gumshoe with her AA6 performances. Apollo probably takes #4? hard to say right now. Judge should be #3 easily.
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Paratroopa1 04/23/18 3:53:20 PM #48: |
I sort of wonder if I would have been right about Gumshoe > Maya if this were counted by number of text boxes as opposed to number of lines, which is what I was thinking before this started - so like, Gumshoe's long case explanations would be multiple lines, not just one. That was a big part of my calculus. Now that I look at how many lines Maya gets from being the assistant I'm kind of surprised Gumshoe is this close!
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Paratroopa1 04/23/18 3:55:43 PM #49: |
Be careful not to sleep on Apollo's line count. It's not going to be less than 6000.
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Paratroopa1 04/23/18 3:56:43 PM #50: |
And "not less than 6000" is really modest on my part, looking at comparisons again
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