Board 8 > Chris Music Mafia Topic 1: Dreams and Nightmares.

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

EDumey posted...

Sure. Now that Scare responded to your question, Han, I'm actually interested in the reverse. What do you think of Scare? I know we've already spoken about "tenuous logic," do you think his vote versus Crescent holds any merit?

I need to reread on it, tbh. I don't feel Crescent as Scum right now, which is really telling because I usually think people are Scum when they vote me when I'm Town (because I'm traditionally very easy to read as Town and only Scum vote me), but I think she's being sincere with her thoughts. Wrong, but sincere.

Scare tends to respect me as a player, so when he takes actions that seem to benefit me, I get wary of him. Otherwise, it's meta, but when he was Indy Minjo, a lot of people thought he was Scummy and I didn't necessarily see it, so I'm willing to lend an ear to groupthink about him.

The primary reason I voted you is I felt you were doing more indirect shading than anything else, which you did a lot of in PW.

I don't have the advanced reading comprehension required to understand Alakazam's wall. His post explaining why he voted me (#217) literally explains my argument in the quoted posts.

I'll be honest I don't think I get a scum vibe from his wall, just bad play.
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turbopuns2 posted...

masterplum posted...

Alakazams weak defense of me is scum knowing too much requires knowing I am town, which I suppose is impossible right now

*head tilt*

huh?

Hey I'm the one who's supposed to be doing head tilts

ColZach, am I Scum or just "worthless" Town?

I'm having trouble following you. You seem pretty keen to accept Scare's out of saying you have an attitude and just putting me aside in a huff.
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Crescent-Moon posted...

turbopuns2 posted...

masterplum posted...

Alakazams weak defense of me is scum knowing too much requires knowing I am town, which I suppose is impossible right now

*head tilt*

huh?

Hey I'm the one who's supposed to be doing head tilts

I agree with a head tilt

But if I understand it right, Zams post is bad

Plum is saying that he thinks Zam is acting on knowledge that he shouldn't have. Knowledge that scum would have since they know the alignments.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

ColZach, am I Scum or just "worthless" Town?

I'm having trouble following you. You seem pretty keen to accept Scare's out of saying you have an attitude and just putting me aside in a huff.

You cant really be worthless town because you are making content. Your advances on me are poorly conceived however. My stance on tony is a reserved one, which I believe is pretty obviously pro-town. I dont see you claiming youve caught scum on the other half dozen people who have posted twice...

Also if you couldnt tell by emojis I was being extremely sarcastic to scare, you really are having trouble following

So answer me, are you really really misled town or scum?

EDumey posted...

Plum is saying that he thinks Zam is acting on knowledge that he shouldn't have. Knowledge that scum would have since they know the alignments.

But then says that the argument is "impossible" because... Why?

ColZach posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

ColZach, am I Scum or just "worthless" Town?

I'm having trouble following you. You seem pretty keen to accept Scare's out of saying you have an attitude and just putting me aside in a huff.

You cant really be worthless town because you are making content. Your advances on me are poorly conceived however. My stance on tony is a reserved one, which I believe is pretty obviously pro-town. I dont see you claiming youve caught scum on the other half dozen people who have posted twice...

Also if you couldnt tell by emojis I was being extremely sarcastic to scare, you really are having trouble following

So answer me, are you really really misled town or scum?

Why would you assume "really really misled"?

Crescent-Moon posted...

Could be, but I still disliked the reasoning you were following.

You know what...

@ChaosTonyV4

Please do something.

I have a 2 month old, and am on the "night shift".

It means I'm asleep from 4-8am-ish until the afternoon, depending on how my infant is cooperating.

Ok, catching up now.
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EDumey posted...

Plum is saying that he thinks Zam is acting on knowledge that he shouldn't have. Knowledge that scum would have since they know the alignments.

Yet he said the scenario is impossible

Because getting onto someone for making two posts when theres literally half a dozen other people with less content is misled.

Because getting onto someone who points this out and runs with a perspective slip argument seems very scummy.

However Han is actively prodding and trying, so I believe he is very, very misled town.

Or scum just playing active day 1

Crescent-Moon posted...

masterplum posted...

Mmm, in second thought I suppose knowing Alakazams weak defense of me is scum knowing too much requires knowing I am town, which I suppose is impossible right now which would be why nobody called him out on it.

If I get lynched and you dont casterate him for it I will not have strong feelings at all because it would be just as expected. (But still kind of disappointing)

Um.. If he were scum and you weren't scum with him he would know that.

What would be impossible about that logic?

Thats the point. The only way he is sure I am town is he is scum
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Zach is backing off because he knows I'm Town and sees other people pushing against him and his behavior :)
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Crescent-Moon posted...

EDumey posted...

Plum is saying that he thinks Zam is acting on knowledge that he shouldn't have. Knowledge that scum would have since they know the alignments.

But then says that the argument is "impossible" because... Why?

Because I am the only one who isnt scum that knows I am town.

So making that argument right now is WIFOM
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Crescent-Moon posted...

EDumey posted...

Plum is saying that he thinks Zam is acting on knowledge that he shouldn't have. Knowledge that scum would have since they know the alignments.

But then says that the argument is "impossible" because... Why?

turbopuns2 posted...

EDumey posted...

Plum is saying that he thinks Zam is acting on knowledge that he shouldn't have. Knowledge that scum would have since they know the alignments.

Yet he said the scenario is impossible

The only person that knows Plum's alignment is Plum. And scum. So why would we call out Zam for acting on scum knowledge if we don't know Plum is town?

I agree Plum wrote that poorly, but it's not that hard to follow!
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So you would need me dead to see why it is a Zam scum tell
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Also, Zach, what if I'm right about Tony being Scum? Am I really misled Town then? Or do you quit being so moody and admit that I'm the dude?
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masterplum posted...

So you would need me dead to see why it is a Zam scum tell

This seems promising to me.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Also, Zach, what if I'm right about Tony being Scum? Am I really misled Town then? Or do you quit being so moody and admit that I'm the dude?

And what if youre wrong?

What if youre scum?

What ifs dont really mean a whole lot right now on day 1?

If youre so convinced tony is scum, why is your vote still terribly on me?

The third thing you said wasn't a question.
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I will say this now

I tend to get Puns and Plum mixed up a lot

so having them both in the game is going to give me a headache
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

I know I probably shouldn't meta the emoji, but this looks very much like a "look I'm here" check-in.

I mean, yeah, it was the very beginning of a Day 1 that started at midnight, lmao.
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For what its worth I don't think Han spearheads many day 1s and trys to be a town leader much as scum, so more points for him being town. Him being one of the biggest voices in the room is usually a good sign
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I went to check the playerlist to see who I feel isnt doing much and like... most the game is the answer

didnt even remember mzero is in the game
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ScareChan posted...

For what its worth I don't think Han spearheads many day 1s and trys to be a town leader much as scum, so more points for him being town. Him being one of the biggest voices in the room is usually a good sign

I feel like you said almost the exact same thing about Han in PW but I am not positive

ScareChan posted...

I went to check the playerlist to see who I feel isnt doing much and like... most the game is the answer

didnt even remember mzero is in the game

Lolo has two posts about millers and nothing else

Tange has 1 post and no content

FD has 1 post

MZero has 3 posts and no content

Tony has 2 posts and no content

Plum has barely done more than those people

That would be why.

Where did my quote box go?

Tony has 4 posts now.
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EDumey posted...

I agree Plum wrote that poorly, but it's not that hard to follow!

Ok...so, Like, why even post that if you're just going to acknowledge that yes it was poorly written but that nobody should be confused since you weren't confused?

And when you first clarified, both people who questioned it were still confused.

Maybe you're just the type of person who likes to be correct in public, or maybe you're scum who is posturing a bit too much.

Crescent-Moon posted...

ScareChan posted...

For what its worth I don't think Han spearheads many day 1s and trys to be a town leader much as scum, so more points for him being town. Him being one of the biggest voices in the room is usually a good sign

I feel like you said almost the exact same thing about Han in PW but I am not positive

Hmm, I don't think I did?

And I do recall Han claiming scum after Dowolf said FD died behind him. So if Han is scum he can slip
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or am I thinking of blade mafia

because I know I called Han town there but I was indy and didnt care, same with Red.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Tony has 4 posts now.

Mhm.

Also can we request modpokes on those people without incurring The Wrath of Han

ScareChan posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

ScareChan posted...

For what its worth I don't think Han spearheads many day 1s and trys to be a town leader much as scum, so more points for him being town. Him being one of the biggest voices in the room is usually a good sign

I feel like you said almost the exact same thing about Han in PW but I am not positive

Hmm, I don't think I did?

And I do recall Han claiming scum after Dowolf said FD died behind him. So if Han is scum he can slip

I did no such thing.
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I just love when people throw shade my way when ever they don't have any other ammo. Plum and Han are both guilty of this.

Listen I know I'm an easy target, but that still doesn't excuse the "look a squirrel" that both of them did.
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ScareChan posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

Starting games at midnight is bad. How am I supposed to be cute and catty when I'm already passing out for the day?

Didn't Tony make weird/check in posts a lot on day 1 in the previous game? I do not really see why this one stands out in comparison. It's also pretty similar to a post FD made in Blade's game. I feel like there's nothing to read out of it except that he hasn't posted much overall yet.

The difference in Plum and my responses to the millers are mildly interesting. There was a nonsensical passivity from him about it, like he didn't really care.

In PW Mafia we had heavily considered faking or joking about miller early and Puns was on that team. Han was also there. My immediate feeling was that Puns decided to play cute this time after getting destroyed in PW.

Have not had the time to really get everything in my head yet but will tonight.

unvote
vote: crescent

Already worried about her presentation is huge red flag

This is a typical Crescent post. Annoying to read, but null at best. I feel like you should know that, Scare.

Alakazamtrainer posted...

EDumey posted...
aren't there only like 6 or 7 votes out of 22 on the table right now?

Vote: Edumey

Third time I've seen something scummy from you, I let it pass twice but this is counting votes at its finest.

Care to elaborate? I don't see the logic in this.
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Alakazamtrainer posted...

I just love when people throw shade my way when ever they don't have any other ammo. Plum and Han are both guilty of this.

Listen I know I'm an easy target, but that still doesn't excuse the "look a squirrel" that both of them did.

This made me giggle.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

ScareChan posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

Starting games at midnight is bad. How am I supposed to be cute and catty when I'm already passing out for the day?

Didn't Tony make weird/check in posts a lot on day 1 in the previous game? I do not really see why this one stands out in comparison. It's also pretty similar to a post FD made in Blade's game. I feel like there's nothing to read out of it except that he hasn't posted much overall yet.

The difference in Plum and my responses to the millers are mildly interesting. There was a nonsensical passivity from him about it, like he didn't really care.

In PW Mafia we had heavily considered faking or joking about miller early and Puns was on that team. Han was also there. My immediate feeling was that Puns decided to play cute this time after getting destroyed in PW.

Have not had the time to really get everything in my head yet but will tonight.

unvote
vote: crescent

Already worried about her presentation is huge red flag

This is a typical Crescent post. Annoying to read, but null at best. I feel like you should know that, Scare.

Alakazamtrainer posted...

EDumey posted...
aren't there only like 6 or 7 votes out of 22 on the table right now?

Vote: Edumey

Third time I've seen something scummy from you, I let it pass twice but this is counting votes at its finest.

Care to elaborate? I don't see the logic in this.

Um.. Nothing about the opening statement to that post (the one he keeps harping over) is at all typical to any of my past play.

Alakazamtrainer posted...

I just love when people throw shade my way when ever they don't have any other ammo. Plum and Han are both guilty of this.

Listen I know I'm an easy target, but that still doesn't excuse the "look a squirrel" that both of them did.

I literally have not made a single reference to you this entire game so far.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Alakazamtrainer posted...

I just love when people throw shade my way when ever they don't have any other ammo. Plum and Han are both guilty of this.

Listen I know I'm an easy target, but that still doesn't excuse the "look a squirrel" that both of them did.

I literally have not made a single reference to you this entire game so far.

I don't recall you shading Alakazam

It is dinner time for kittens

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Alakazamtrainer posted...

I just love when people throw shade my way when ever they don't have any other ammo. Plum and Han are both guilty of this.

Listen I know I'm an easy target, but that still doesn't excuse the "look a squirrel" that both of them did.

I literally have not made a single reference to you this entire game so far.

auto correct-- I ment colzach apparently my phone thought you were another spelling for that, it's fixed now
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

I did no such thing.

You said something along the lines of "Besides super hider shouldnt even die behind scum"
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

I caught Tony as Scum, for one.

Yeah ok.

##vote: Han

Scum tried this bullshit on me last game, (well actually it was Town Plum who threw the first stone, but then scum decided it was "true") and I'm not having it this time, lmao
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tony claim for me
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I caught Tony as Scum, for one.

Yeah ok.

##vote: Han

Scum tried this bullshit on me last game, (well actually it was Town Plum who threw the first stone, but then scum decided it was "true") and I'm not having it this time, lmao

And this is a bad vote. Are you not considering at all that Han is perhaps trying to gauge your reaction, or bad town, or any of the long list of possibilities?

Does Tony always say "lmao" at the end of posts, it sounds so fake.

ScareChan posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I did no such thing.

You said something along the lines of "Besides super hider shouldnt even die behind scum"

That's not saying I am Scum though. That's saying that, if they're Super Hider, then they shouldn't die from hiding behind Scum. Therefore, since he died, it's not because I am Scum.

Alakazamtrainer posted...

Alakazamtrainer posted...

I just love when people throw shade my way when ever they don't have any other ammo. Plum and Han are both guilty of this.

Listen I know I'm an easy target, but that still doesn't excuse the "look a squirrel" that both of them did.

Any chance Scumboard conversation at all leads to Alakazam accidentally saying my name instead of Zach's, here?
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Actually he did mix up 2 people he was trying to town clear last game in the emoji battle crap

sure lets kill zam

##Unvote
##Vote: Zam
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Crescent-Moon posted...

Also ##Unvote

Han's recent play has become somewhat different from his play in PW.

PW Han didn't care about the silly little things like "taking credit". It's behavior that naturally looks bad to me, but conflicts with the scum Han I just played with. That Han mostly just fired out shade with abandon.

He is still 100% throwing shade with abandon, and if anything, I think bothering to argue over credit is even more scummy. It's useless content that gives false deniability.

Also for the record, I am super ok with being pinged if I'm not actively posting in game because it helps remind my ADHD brain to come back.
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