Board 8 > Chris Music Mafia Topic 1: Dreams and Nightmares.

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Crescent-Moon
08/04/18 6:14:16 PM
#251:


Also I am looking at pictures of kittens~
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pjbasis
08/04/18 6:14:45 PM
#252:


You are being evasive?

So that probably means you're lying.
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turbopuns2
08/04/18 6:14:51 PM
#253:


Crescent-Moon posted...
Especially when he's doing everything he possibly can to avoid committing to a claim based on an indirect but valid argument.


What do you think are my scum motivations for doing this
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ColZach
08/04/18 6:17:57 PM
#254:


Someone asked me why not lynch plum

Because the counter question of why SHOULD we lynch plum?

Ive been a part of 3 day 1s now and IIRC the only time we lynched scum day 1 was when Chris had 3 votes on poor unwim

(Remind me, we mislynched town day 1 in Blade mafia, correct?)
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Crescent-Moon
08/04/18 6:20:13 PM
#255:


turbopuns2 posted...
Crescent-Moon posted...
I wanted to stick you to miller or not miller asap.

So why are you dodging it?


Frankly it's partially because nothing else has happened in the game to generate much discussion. The entire 5 vote plum train spawned from me claiming. Then a 3 vote leo train spawned from that.

It's also partially because plum is still half dodging my initial point against him to begin with (which was him telling me and PJ to clarify)


I don't feel like Plum has shown he cares at all and I don't have any serious problems with him being voted early for it.

That's not really a valid excuse though.

Though if you get credit for one thing, you're the only person to actually read my posts. As bad as that looked on Scare, I could see it being a mistake.

Actually the one who looks worst right now isn't you. I'm more prone to being reactionary in this state. It's...

##Unvote:
##Vote: Han


Bandwagon vote on Plum that adds nothing but shades Tony. Passive bandwagony shade he threw on me out of nowhere when I had two votes that added nothing. He doesn't have much content to speak of this entire game.
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EDumey
08/04/18 6:20:13 PM
#256:


ColZach posted...
Someone asked me why not lynch plum

Because the counter question of why SHOULD we lynch plum?

Ive been a part of 3 day 1s now and IIRC the only time we lynched scum day 1 was when Chris had 3 votes on poor unwim

(Remind me, we mislynched town day 1 in Blade mafia, correct?)


I don't know how much I want to devolve into basic mafia theory, but it is almost ALWAYS correct to lynch on Day 1. Literally regardless of the result. We definitely do our best to catch scum, but if you're trying to advocate for No Lynch, that's strictly anti-town.
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Crescent-Moon
08/04/18 6:22:23 PM
#257:


turbopuns2 posted...
Crescent-Moon posted...
Especially when he's doing everything he possibly can to avoid committing to a claim based on an indirect but valid argument.


What do you think are my scum motivations for doing this


And this is why I just switched to Han (I hadn't even read this post when I wrote that one), because when I reassessed things, his actions seemed to have a higher potential to be scum motivated.

What has Han actually added to this game?
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turbopuns2
08/04/18 6:22:47 PM
#258:


ColZach posted...
Someone asked me why not lynch plum

Because the counter question of why SHOULD we lynch plum?

Ive been a part of 3 day 1s now and IIRC the only time we lynched scum day 1 was when Chris had 3 votes on poor unwim


So....why not lynch plum?
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Crescent-Moon
08/04/18 6:24:07 PM
#259:


ColZach posted...
Someone asked me why not lynch plum

Because the counter question of why SHOULD we lynch plum?

Ive been a part of 3 day 1s now and IIRC the only time we lynched scum day 1 was when Chris had 3 votes on poor unwim

(Remind me, we mislynched town day 1 in Blade mafia, correct?)


Trepidation to commit to lynches is what kills towns.

The last game was a perfect example of this.
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Crescent-Moon
08/04/18 6:25:49 PM
#260:


Also the fact that you actually addressed what I said when every other person to shade me ignored it is actually a good look.
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ColZach
08/04/18 6:26:13 PM
#261:


turbopuns2 posted...
ColZach posted...
Someone asked me why not lynch plum

Because the counter question of why SHOULD we lynch plum?

Ive been a part of 3 day 1s now and IIRC the only time we lynched scum day 1 was when Chris had 3 votes on poor unwim


So....why not lynch plum?


This argument is the same as why not lynch anyone? Lets just RNG it, 6/22 chance to lynch scum right?

Tbh Im at work like I said earlier so if plum has been showing apathy I need to catch up on it on my reread

Also I have more to learn about mafia because this idea of no lynch being strictly anti town seems blatantly wrong and incorrect.
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EDumey
08/04/18 6:26:35 PM
#262:


There's an easy answer for "what are scum motivations" for hedging on a claim. I don't mind Crescent switching to Han, but you should still be able to answer that question if you were serious about not trusting Puns.
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Leafeon13N
08/04/18 6:28:11 PM
#263:


EDumey posted...
There's an easy answer for "what are scum motivations" for hedging on a claim. I don't mind Crescent switching to Han, but you should still be able to answer that question if you were serious about not trusting Puns.


Honestly, immediate reaction should be to distrust the miller claims.
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benjamin3740
08/04/18 6:28:12 PM
#264:


ColZach posted...
turbopuns2 posted...
ColZach posted...
Someone asked me why not lynch plum

Because the counter question of why SHOULD we lynch plum?

Ive been a part of 3 day 1s now and IIRC the only time we lynched scum day 1 was when Chris had 3 votes on poor unwim


So....why not lynch plum?


This argument is the same as why not lynch anyone? Lets just RNG it, 6/22 chance to lynch scum right?

Tbh Im at work like I said earlier so if plum has been showing apathy I need to catch up on it on my reread

Also I have more to learn about mafia because this idea of no lynch being strictly anti town seems blatantly wrong and incorrect.

ColZach posted...
Hey guys. Been a busy day and I have more work tonight but heres my thoughts after my initial read

1. Dont lynch plum.
2. Id lynch Leo.
3. Im still independent DJ.

So why lynch Leo but not Plum? Specifically NOT Plum?
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Crescent-Moon
08/04/18 6:28:36 PM
#265:


EDumey posted...
There's an easy answer for "what are scum motivations" for hedging on a claim. I don't mind Crescent switching to Han, but you should still be able to answer that question if you were serious about not trusting Puns.


The simplest reason is scum hedges on a claim to keep themselves flexible, but would Puns hold to it that closely for that simple a reason?

That's what's going on in my head right now.
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Crescent-Moon
08/04/18 6:29:37 PM
#266:


Leafeon13N posted...
EDumey posted...
There's an easy answer for "what are scum motivations" for hedging on a claim. I don't mind Crescent switching to Han, but you should still be able to answer that question if you were serious about not trusting Puns.


Honestly, immediate reaction should be to distrust the miller claims.


I inherently distrusted his because last I saw he said he wanted to claim miller as scum.

I don't think I'd have had any notable reaction otherwise.
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benjamin3740
08/04/18 6:30:14 PM
#267:



Also Crescent, what is it that made you decide to"ISO" Plum or target him in particular? Because I just get the impression you felt you had to say something about him because he was getting votes and you quickly needed to give yourself a stance on him.

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Crescent-Moon
08/04/18 6:30:14 PM
#268:


benjamin3740 posted...
ColZach posted...
turbopuns2 posted...
ColZach posted...
Someone asked me why not lynch plum

Because the counter question of why SHOULD we lynch plum?

Ive been a part of 3 day 1s now and IIRC the only time we lynched scum day 1 was when Chris had 3 votes on poor unwim


So....why not lynch plum?


This argument is the same as why not lynch anyone? Lets just RNG it, 6/22 chance to lynch scum right?

Tbh Im at work like I said earlier so if plum has been showing apathy I need to catch up on it on my reread

Also I have more to learn about mafia because this idea of no lynch being strictly anti town seems blatantly wrong and incorrect.

ColZach posted...
Hey guys. Been a busy day and I have more work tonight but heres my thoughts after my initial read

1. Dont lynch plum.
2. Id lynch Leo.
3. Im still independent DJ.

So why lynch Leo but not Plum? Specifically NOT Plum?


I second this question
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Crescent-Moon
08/04/18 6:30:46 PM
#269:


benjamin3740 posted...

Also Crescent, what is it that made you decide to"ISO" Plum or target him in particular? Because I just get the impression you felt you had to say something about him because he was getting votes and you quickly needed to give yourself a stance on him.


Because the post that was being referenced struck me as totally uncaring, and I wanted to see if he had any other posts that may have suggested he did care.
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Crescent-Moon
08/04/18 6:31:39 PM
#270:


I'm feeling kind of hyper right now

I have no idea if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
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Leafeon13N
08/04/18 6:33:18 PM
#271:


Crescent-Moon posted...
I'm feeling kind of hyper right now

I have no idea if that's a good thing or a bad thing.


It is entirely unrelated to good or bad.
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Crescent-Moon
08/04/18 6:34:00 PM
#272:


Leafeon13N posted...
Crescent-Moon posted...
I'm feeling kind of hyper right now

I have no idea if that's a good thing or a bad thing.


It is entirely unrelated to good or bad.


Silly Red, I'm talking about my personal well being not really the game itself.
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benjamin3740
08/04/18 6:34:23 PM
#273:


Crescent-Moon posted...
benjamin3740 posted...

Also Crescent, what is it that made you decide to"ISO" Plum or target him in particular? Because I just get the impression you felt you had to say something about him because he was getting votes and you quickly needed to give yourself a stance on him.


Because the post that was being referenced struck me as totally uncaring, and I wanted to see if he had any other posts that may have suggested he did care.

Okay.
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htaeD
08/04/18 6:36:33 PM
#274:


Admittedly, Plums comment about the votes on him is not technically bad, and he seems to have a full view of the situation. But I still feel like he was dancing around the issue for a while.

Perhaps on purpose but what the question really should be is...

I dont want any of this scum scan business where one of them is scanned guilty and says oh lol see I was telling the truth, or was scanned innocent and says oh lol I was lying,


When has this scumscan business ever happened?
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benjamin3740
08/04/18 6:37:30 PM
#275:




benjamin3740 posted...
Plum could you respond to Puns' accusation of you in particular?


Referring to the scanning innocent thing? I was getting ready to leave and didnt think that part through. Only the guilty part matters obv.

Actually, I'm referring to his statement that he has a lot of experience playing with you and that he immediately reads you as scum plum.
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Crescent-Moon
08/04/18 6:38:16 PM
#276:


benjamin3740 posted...
Crescent-Moon posted...
benjamin3740 posted...

Also Crescent, what is it that made you decide to"ISO" Plum or target him in particular? Because I just get the impression you felt you had to say something about him because he was getting votes and you quickly needed to give yourself a stance on him.


Because the post that was being referenced struck me as totally uncaring, and I wanted to see if he had any other posts that may have suggested he did care.

Okay.


I figured he didn't have many and I'd have the time to do it.

....I guess I was correct.
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Leafeon13N
08/04/18 6:38:34 PM
#277:


ColZach posted...

Also I have more to learn about mafia because this idea of no lynch being strictly anti town seems blatantly wrong and incorrect


It is totally the correct play if all players are equal. And also if not, arguably. Its just that its boring tbh.
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benjamin3740
08/04/18 6:38:46 PM
#278:


Crescent-Moon posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
Crescent-Moon posted...
benjamin3740 posted...

Also Crescent, what is it that made you decide to"ISO" Plum or target him in particular? Because I just get the impression you felt you had to say something about him because he was getting votes and you quickly needed to give yourself a stance on him.


Because the post that was being referenced struck me as totally uncaring, and I wanted to see if he had any other posts that may have suggested he did care.

Okay.


I figured he didn't have many and I'd have the time to do it.

....I guess I was correct.

Okay.
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ColZach
08/04/18 6:39:56 PM
#279:


There was no specific reason to not lynch plum, as the norm for me is to not want to lynch.

Leo gave me scum vibes post

105
126

I believe the arguments made in these posts try to appeal to a LETS FIND OUT XD mentality

Additionally implying that NOT wanting the information is scummy...seemed scummy.
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Crescent-Moon
08/04/18 6:40:05 PM
#280:


Also I feel like Puns and I always end up suspecting each other right away and alignment doesn't even matter
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Crescent-Moon
08/04/18 6:40:17 PM
#281:


benjamin3740 posted...
Crescent-Moon posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
Crescent-Moon posted...
benjamin3740 posted...

Also Crescent, what is it that made you decide to"ISO" Plum or target him in particular? Because I just get the impression you felt you had to say something about him because he was getting votes and you quickly needed to give yourself a stance on him.


Because the post that was being referenced struck me as totally uncaring, and I wanted to see if he had any other posts that may have suggested he did care.

Okay.


I figured he didn't have many and I'd have the time to do it.

....I guess I was correct.

Okay.

Meow.
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Crescent-Moon
08/04/18 6:41:05 PM
#282:


Leafeon13N posted...
ColZach posted...

Also I have more to learn about mafia because this idea of no lynch being strictly anti town seems blatantly wrong and incorrect


It is totally the correct play if all players are equal. And also if not, arguably. Its just that its boring tbh.


That if is never gonna happen so um...
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htaeD
08/04/18 6:41:42 PM
#283:


Considering towns track record, colzach may be on to something.
<.<
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Leafeon13N
08/04/18 6:42:46 PM
#284:


Crescent-Moon posted...
Also I feel like Puns and I always end up suspecting each other right away and alignment doesn't even matter


Does not compute.
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ColZach
08/04/18 6:43:18 PM
#285:


No offense yall I think you guys THINK youre the shit at day 1 but yall seem to just fuck stuff up

Myself included I popped onto trains that were bad
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Crescent-Moon
08/04/18 6:43:53 PM
#286:


htaeD posted...
Considering towns track record, colzach may be on to something.
<.<


What town needs to do is commit to a lynch and stop having it go down to deadline every single time, where scum is much more able to control it. I have often been part of this problem by being so reluctant to vote, but in this mindset my votes are gonna come out a lot more freely.
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benjamin3740
08/04/18 6:44:14 PM
#287:


Man, I forgot Rik was playing. Now there's something that never usually happens.
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Crescent-Moon
08/04/18 6:44:54 PM
#288:


Leafeon13N posted...
Crescent-Moon posted...
Also I feel like Puns and I always end up suspecting each other right away and alignment doesn't even matter


Does not compute.


Puns and I almost made each other quit the game in another Chris game because it got that bad. I used to have this with Tony.
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Leafeon13N
08/04/18 6:45:50 PM
#289:


Crescent-Moon posted...
htaeD posted...
Considering towns track record, colzach may be on to something.
<.<


What town needs to do is commit to a lynch and stop having it go down to deadline every single time, where scum is much more able to control it. I have often been part of this problem by being so reluctant to vote, but in this mindset my votes are gonna come out a lot more freely.


Honestly, board 8 is entirely unwilling to hammer prior to deadline, no one has any fear.
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Crescent-Moon
08/04/18 6:45:57 PM
#290:


ColZach posted...
No offense yall I think you guys THINK youre the shit at day 1 but yall seem to just fuck stuff up

Myself included I popped onto trains that were bad


I feel like town's refusal to commit to anything at any point during day 1 is why scum only ever dies day 1 by totally random chance right at the end of the day.
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Crescent-Moon
08/04/18 6:46:52 PM
#291:


Leafeon13N posted...
Crescent-Moon posted...
htaeD posted...
Considering towns track record, colzach may be on to something.
<.<


What town needs to do is commit to a lynch and stop having it go down to deadline every single time, where scum is much more able to control it. I have often been part of this problem by being so reluctant to vote, but in this mindset my votes are gonna come out a lot more freely.


Honestly, board 8 is entirely unwilling to hammer prior to deadline, no one has any fear.


It isn't about hammering before deadline, it's about avoiding what that last game had. Scum was handed control of every lynch in that game.
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Leafeon13N
08/04/18 6:46:54 PM
#292:


Crescent-Moon posted...
Leafeon13N posted...
Crescent-Moon posted...
Also I feel like Puns and I always end up suspecting each other right away and alignment doesn't even matter


Does not compute.


Puns and I almost made each other quit the game in another Chris game because it got that bad. I used to have this with Tony.


Yeah but if one of you are scum there is no real suspicion, its fake.
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EDumey
08/04/18 6:49:36 PM
#293:


ColZach posted...
No offense yall I think you guys THINK youre the shit at day 1 but yall seem to just fuck stuff up

Myself included I popped onto trains that were bad


Crescent-Moon posted...
htaeD posted...
Considering towns track record, colzach may be on to something.
<.<


What town needs to do is commit to a lynch and stop having it go down to deadline every single time, where scum is much more able to control it. I have often been part of this problem by being so reluctant to vote, but in this mindset my votes are gonna come out a lot more freely.


Agreed, but even in the situation that it's scum controlled, Town learns much more from that going into Day 2 than we do from a No Lynch. Unless we have a positive Cop/Tracker/whatever scan that is revealed on Day 2, you just go into the next day with no more info and (most likely) one less town.
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Crescent-Moon
08/04/18 6:50:39 PM
#294:


Leafeon13N posted...
Crescent-Moon posted...
Leafeon13N posted...
Crescent-Moon posted...
Also I feel like Puns and I always end up suspecting each other right away and alignment doesn't even matter


Does not compute.


Puns and I almost made each other quit the game in another Chris game because it got that bad. I used to have this with Tony.


Yeah but if one of you are scum there is no real suspicion, its fake.


The idea is figuring out if it's fake or not.

But the person who I feel has posted real fake (I see what I did there~) is Han.

Just survey his posts. Two bandwagon shades and a terrible reason to call Tony a "strong #2" during one of them.
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Crescent-Moon
08/04/18 6:52:30 PM
#295:


EDumey posted...
ColZach posted...
No offense yall I think you guys THINK youre the shit at day 1 but yall seem to just fuck stuff up

Myself included I popped onto trains that were bad


Crescent-Moon posted...
htaeD posted...
Considering towns track record, colzach may be on to something.
<.<


What town needs to do is commit to a lynch and stop having it go down to deadline every single time, where scum is much more able to control it. I have often been part of this problem by being so reluctant to vote, but in this mindset my votes are gonna come out a lot more freely.


Agreed, but even in the situation that it's scum controlled, Town learns much more from that going into Day 2 than we do from a No Lynch. Unless we have a positive Cop/Tracker/whatever scan that is revealed on Day 2, you just go into the next day with no more info and (most likely) one less town.


I'm not supporting a no lynch, I'm supporting town being more firm down the deadline so we can avoid having 6 people at 2-3 votes with less than an hour left. There isn't as much to gain from those results as people seem to think there is.
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HanOfTheNekos
08/04/18 6:54:23 PM
#296:


Crescent-Moon posted...
What has Han actually added to this game?


I caught Tony as Scum, for one.

And just to be clear, I wasn't throwing shade on you. I was making a joke, on you saying "how am I supposed to be cute and catty when I'm passing out?"

Personally, I didn't really see anything wrong with plum's post, but I'm willing to lend a vote to people who say they did for the purpose of getting some game going.
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Crescent-Moon
08/04/18 6:57:04 PM
#297:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Crescent-Moon posted...
What has Han actually added to this game?


I caught Tony as Scum, for one.

And just to be clear, I wasn't throwing shade on you. I was making a joke, on you saying "how am I supposed to be cute and catty when I'm passing out?"

Personally, I didn't really see anything wrong with plum's post, but I'm willing to lend a vote to people who say they did for the purpose of getting some game going.


And I ask again, how is that post much different from similar Tony posts last game which he made for the sake of making? FD also made similarly useless "check in" posts day 1 in Blade Mafia 5.

The difference to me is his activity has been way less, not that one post. If there's anything to suspect him on, it's that he's done nothing yet. I think your reason is reaching.
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EDumey
08/04/18 6:57:08 PM
#298:


I wasn't accusing you of supporting that. Was actually agreeing that Town just needs to be more decisive! Explanation of why no lynch is wrong is more directed at Zach.

This whole last page of topic has been a lot of talk with little said. I want Leo to come back and defend himself/give updated opinions on Plum before I consider moving my vote. But I'd say my Finger of Suspicion is on probably Scare.

Also I like how Corrick has been entirely ignored. Shouldn't let him get away with it, but no one really wants to confront him I guess.
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ScareChan
08/04/18 6:58:04 PM
#299:


Crescent hasnt done anything to make me want tyo move my vote. Her voting Han actually makes me more happy with where it is
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Crescent-Moon
08/04/18 6:59:12 PM
#300:


I wonder if Scare has paid attention to anything I have posted or is still voting me for a single alignment-null line from a single post.

Because I feel it's the latter.
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